Ha!! Brilliant!

At which point you all quit?

Much like fortune tellers and astrology then

Great quote, thanks!

Lol.

Lol quite so...

@@esrevergnireenigne6534 the 4 categories of Facebook user. I deleted my profile after the CA scandal.

Voice of reason

that is why i love tarot cards. it is also nice to just let go from (lack of a better word) logic and just embrace the random, accept there is a lot we are not in control of everything, and like sabbi said take a moment and look around.

And she is exactly right. I, and some friends I know, lay cards for that exact reason. Not because the universe decided that my figure for this week is the emperor but simply because it forces me to ask, how exactly have I been an authority recently, have I used my powers responsibly, should I even continue to be authoritative or am I trying to elevate myself over others?

She's divinely inspired

Yes, like the weather, horoscopes and personality tests are useful as a subject of small talk, mostly for women.

@@-IE_it_yourselftarot cards are actually a great tool for reflection. There’s so many ways you can approach it depending on your interests. Interestingly a fairly large proportion of people who do tarot dont actually believe they tell the future

Predictable. No test was needed

Yep. Kinda funny because that's pretty much exactly what an INTJ would do.

I'm confused about the 97% introverted bit. I always thought I was introverted but not as much as 97%. I would be terrified of talking to the public via a regular youtube channel and also being part of an interview panel explaining complex subjects as I've often seen Sabine do. I would just freeze and maybe waffle my way through. Maybe I'm 98% introverted.

FJ once did a video a while back explaining how each personality would deal with the MBTI. The INTJ would write a letter, ripping the MBTI apart and calling it non scientific 😂

What is it with Ni doms' practically pathological need for theory validation via peer-reviewed publication? Isn't this rather paradoxical?

It needs to be combined with Neuroimaging, and then keep those borderline and emotionally-selfish, termites and homunculus away from corrupting the truth and reality to benefit their vulnerable-narcissit "feelings".

@@Human_01sounds nazi germanyish.

@@Human_01 calm down, were all screwed and thats fine

Me too

The Amazing Randi was ... amazing! Until my library was forcibly dismantled I had several of his books.

@@capnkirk5528 Keep those tidbits to yourself that last comment did not need mentioning at all

​@@meanieweeny4765keep policing people's conversations to yourself. The man is free to share whatever he wants to share. BTW I know my comment is inherently contradictory, but I'm not gonna police my own comments. I'm free to say whatever I want 😉🙃

@@meanieweeny4765 Good point. Edited slightly.

@@Mr.Anders0n_ You make a good point, but the intent of my commenting is to encourage people to engage in critical thinking and that 'tidbit' didn't really serve that aim, so I will consider it constructive criticism and try to accept it graciously.

I find the flattering aspects to be the least accurate parts of personality description most of the time.

I also find it more useful than she seems to think, if only because 1) I can predict the "type" most people will get with uncanny accuracy, and 2) I tend to get along or at least communicate well with INTJs and ENFPs pretty reliably. So it is detecting something repeatably, but I can't say what.

Totally. People really cling to an "authoritative" self-description. It becomes their passport. They smuggle all their oddities, quirks, and genuine human weirdness behind their rubber-stamped "personality" because their "official" personality type has been approved by the authorities. At least, I imagine it's a kind of defense mechanism. Or a designated "safe zone" which they can always retreat to.

@@ucantSQ most people would rather be the villain, than to be nobody at all. I asked if I could stand in the middle because I would rather not label myself, and believed my answers may have differed if I was in a different mood. Instead, I had to stand in the corner and come up with reasons why we need dominant and assertive people. I actually thought that by asserting myself as a conscientious participant, with an influential perspective, in support of the program would have earned me a place in the middle. But no, I was shuffled in with the other Ds.

@@Rybot9000 Labels can give some people a feeling of status and importance.

​@@ucantSQlove your answer! Can I ask what your favorite book is because you sound like an interesting intelligent person ☺️

„Ist”, hallo Freund

Remind them that special does not mean useful.

_Everybody can find a personality test where they are a really special person._ Boy, I better start looking around, then. My wife is usually the one doing the testing, and I rarely get the results I'd like.

Well, motivating people by focusing on their strengths and only "incidentally" identifying their weaknesses is a pretty good strategy (probably THE best, unles you have someone who's completely delusional and needs to be completely broken down and rebuilt...)

Not...really though? I mean if you're an ISFJ for instance you're automatically not special since they're a pretty high part of the population. If you're an INFJ yeah you're rare but...that also means it's harder for people to understand you so actually it's MORE work on you to work on that.

It is such a good book, especially if you want to truly find out your MBTI type it does a better job without a test than doing any test out there.

The book "Please Understand Me II" was first published in 1998, which was not pre-internet. In fact, 41% of adults in the U.S. went online in 1998 according to the Pew Research Center archives. Here are examples of some companies which you should still recognize and which had internet websites in 1998: Google, Hotmail, Myspace, the New York Times, Amazon, Ebay, Apple, Microsoft, Time, Wired, and Yahoo. Internet browsers available in 1998 included Mosaic, Netscape Navigator, Mozilla, and Microsoft Internet Explorer. I was 38 years old in 1998, and I remember very well using the internet at work and at home in 1998, as well as for several years before that. I was one of the 41% of U.S. adults who were online in 1998. Perhaps you were not using the internet in 1998, but that does not mean it did not exist nor that it was not being used by many others. Perhaps you have just forgotten that the internet was around in 1998 and earlier - the World Wide Web launched into the public domain in 1993 (The World Wide Web made it simple for anyone to navigate the internet. All users had to do was launch a newly developed program called a "browser," type in a URL and hit return.). Instead of a personality test, perhaps you need to have your long-term memory tested. 😉 The 1998 book "Please Understand Me II" was an update and expansion of the book "Please Understand Me: An Essay on Temperament Styles," first published in 1978, which was definitely pre-internet. The original book was also definitely very popular when I was 18 in 1978 and through at least most of the 1980s. From Goodreads: "Keirsey and Bates's Please Understand Me, first published in 1978, sold nearly 2 million copies in its first 20 years, becoming a perennial best seller all over the world. Advertised only by word of mouth, the book became a favorite training and counseling guide in many institutions -- government, church, business -- and colleges across the nation adopted it as an auxiliary text in a dozen different departments...Please Understand Me II [First published May 1, 1998], an updated and greatly expanded edition of the book, far more comprehensive and coherent than the original, and yet with much of the same easy accessibility..."

It can be mind blowing to become aware of different ways people can be. But how would you go about testing the validity of Meyers-Briggs, as opposed to just its reliability? It purports to be an objectively valid test, but it asks us to accept the types it sorts us into on faith in the expertise of its designers. C.G. Jung, who developed some of the categories the test uses, did not believe that personality types are necessarily fixed. He thought that our personalities could undergo a lot of change.

Very well said (written) and completely in agreement!

You're basically ignoring what the video criticized about the MBTI. While the test might be helpful to think about patterns in your or other peoples behavior, it can also be misleading, due to it lacking in validity. However, what you said about intraversion and extroversion is also a scale on the Big Five model, which at least has been validated successfully - contrary to the MBTI. I think we should be careful when putting ourselves and others into boxes, when those boxes don't even accurately describe an aspect of reality. Personality tests that categorize people into a small number of types might be easy to grasp, but sadly they are also inaccurate and misleading.

Same here. Solidly INTJ every time I've taken it over the years. Comforting in a way.

Or.. you've made a framework for your life around those assessments. Instead of, looking inward and going on a discovery of yourself, and learning how to update yourself, you ran into a test result that showed you a red thread to follow, to achieve a somewhat similar result. What if the test had said that you are extroverted.

@@elgalas But it didn't. There's a reason why the test showed a tendency towards introversion. It's not because extraversion is entirely missing, but it means that there's a tendency or a desire to be introverted rather than extraverted. This can help a person understand themselves and others better.

I suspect you will find a very high percentage of those watching this are the same. Given that supposedly that type only make up 1 to 4% of the population it could be a method for identifying and recruiting new viewers.

Same here as a INTP, I also find it useful to try to analyze people, to get a start-off point for when I have to talk to them. AKA stereotypes can be useful as a start point before getting to actually know someone.

I second that

i'd watch it too. include luxxprofile please

Take an MRI test; combine it with the important MRI test!

​@@Human_01when I got an MRI done on my wrecked SI joint, it didn't help with that, nor when I got one on my wrecked shoulder. 😂

Sabine, yes please, breakdown those new personality tests! This stuff is fascinating ❤ (Absolutely love your channel)

Same: rare because most have been hunted down and killed owing to annoyingness😂

@@celiacresswell6909 Right?

Same here INTP .

INTP in the house. I mean literally. I just stay in my house.

​@@storm14k😂

Yes, please!

There is a great document about the importance of emotional intelligence acknowledgement that KZfaq for some reason loves to censor away, and even attempts to encrypt it in code speech were caught. It's insane, althoug kinda not surprising.

There is no such thing as EQ.

@@just-a-fella3212That's a low-IQ statement. 😉

I ditto everything you said. Including understanding why you/we are different, how it helped us in our relationships with others, and also how this understanding helps in a marriage. It changed my life for the better.

I experienced a similar thing. I am ENTP and my wife is INFJ, so I could at last see that things that I am doing might be too demanding and overwhelming of her at times. I've learned to consider others' way of being much more when I act. This doesn't mean that we have to create identities out of it and put ourselves in boxes. But just being considerate of others, it opened my eyes big time to how others' internal processes work, when and how their intellect shines..

I'm INTJ and also found it helpful in realizing that I think differently than others for specific reasons and it helped me deal with others. If I'm having trouble relating with someone I'll try to type them and use that info to change the way I approach them.

This! 😂😂😂😂

Yes, you're right. Made the same experience during my studies (curative education). There was a big hype about the work of this Italian group (Milan School), who believed, they could 'scientificize' psychology. Though the outcome of behaviorism is not totally crap and works quite accurate in some cases, your term of jealousy nails it.

I do wish these conversations, which are rightly critical, would recognize that there are some ways to address some of the concerns mentioned. I think the MBTI is irredeemable, but either the FFM or HEXACO can be useful in concert with other tests.

@@chrismorrison8047 Haven't investigated the FFM or HEXACO, but will. Another factor, of course, is the skill with which the tests are administered (comfort of the subject, clarity of directions) and interpreted: big difference between reading canned descriptions of what a response pattern might suggest as opposed to long experience with matching many specific test response patterns with a specific measure to specific clients one gets to know well. So many variables, so little time..

@@maxm2639 I really hope and expect that we'll make some actual progress on this stuff in the coming decades. The FFM was a fantastic, evidence-based foundation. It needs a lot of refinement, but it's actually data-driven rather than theory-driven. Oddly (to me), some people levy that as a criticism. I see that as a virtue, but ymmv. I've not gotten into the details on HEXACO yet, but my initial reading suggests that the addition of "humility" to the factors is both warranted and helpful. To give only one example (and to overstate the findings for illustrative value), I read a study in which agreeableness was highly correlated with teamwork productivity. That wasn't surprising. What WAS surprising was that one aspect of trait emotional intelligence, namely mood, negatively moderated the relationship. Questions about replication aside (the study didn't try to replicate its own findings in a second survey), the results suggested that the higher the optimism, the less agreeability helps predict teamwork, and the lower optimism, the stronger the agreeableness->teamwork association. Those findings are worth interpreting and exploring, but let me try to get to my point. That study utilized the FFM. But HEXACO pulls out humility as its own factor, and humility has been elsewhere correlated with prosocial and ethical behavior. So it might be the case that the original study was overlooking issues in humility, such that highly optimistic people (which could be interpreted as people with high self-efficacy) but very low humility might not reap the other benefits associated with agreeability with respect to teamwork. Of course, all this is only one study with others in the background, so I'm not actually proposing any real conclusions be drawn. What I AM suggesting is that models like HEXACO seem to be building on the legitimate work of the FFM (as opposed to the MBTI). Add to all of THAT the other issues you mentioned, and others beyond, and I think that given enough time we'll come up with better tests that are more predictive and more scientifically useful. I think we're going in the right direction. I just think the public is being mislead by the MBTI.

It's mostly the phenomenon of feeling a sense of belonging as soon as somehow has a label for you, indicating that there are more of you, and you have a community.

so AI is better at typing than humans?

​@@zazugeeeven if it was ai fueled that ai would have been trained exclusively by highly intelligent people with mountains upon mountains upon mountains of direct userdata, along with the knowhow to work it all into a functional algorithm. Ai really aren't that good on their own yet.

A lot of INFJs are mistyped in the type sphere; 16personalities is especially biased towards giving people intuition (N) as one of the dichotomies. Also, I doubt that YT somehow understood you as a person; I think that it just recommended you videos which people who are like you tend to watch.

​@@kairostimeYT Yeah, 16 was the the first one I took. I watched a video a few months later about it not being accurate which is why I took the others. It's probably a good idea for anyone interested in personality tests to take multiple ones to make sure they're getting an accurate assessment (or at least as accurate as it can be). It's possible YT recommended the videos to me because people with similar watch histories were watching them. Makes me curious about how other people that have similar watch histories became aware of the MBTI because it certainly wasn't in the wheelhouse of my normal viewing.

Both of these gives you an outline of your nature in general, which is a good way to pin point some attributes in one's complex personality, but certainly to that limit only.

That''s one of the biggest issues, people identifying with a type so much they won't accept anything outside of their box, I don't believe there is any personality theory works like this, Jung is often being misinterpreted due to how his archetypes are outlined and how myers briggs foundation incorrectly termed their dimensions dichotomies. Everyone including Sabine still think it's either or with MBTI because of this. For the big 5 test there is the issue that they don't initially have relations between their traits, and thus they can't really generate an image of what your result looks like, MBTI gained popularity just because people were able to see themselves in a type, with an easy four letter label and even a distinct avatar and like celebrities. It are these creative additions that makes everyone love it. The downside of course is that it causes some of us to get attached to one of those types even when it is not our type like how personas work, some men want to be women now or they want to be addressed by a different pronoun, identity is something you can change if you really want it and I don't think we can do anything against that, the only thing we can do is make those people reflect on what their personality really is and hope that spreads among the community, which is something I try to do on the regular

​@@nehamotwani6477not really. These tests are very useful to consciously establish your patterns of behavior and more importantly your limiting beliefs that you may have not realized were working against your goals, and they may even help you determine a path forward for your growth. Also, as was said above, they may help you understand why other people don't see the world the same way you do. But you always need to figure out how this result fits your own life and self, not let it box you. If your career of choice isn't amongst the ones recommended for your personality type then are you going to move away from it? Of course not!

They can be a lot more substantive than horoscopes but it depends on the test and the tester. I'm no expert but it would make sense if these tests (and psychology generally) focused on the historical behaviour of the subject rather than asking the person to directly diagnose personality traits and I'm pretty sure that's what modern psychology does, when it's not using brain scans or genetics. The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. Hardly a revelation 😁

German English is a very hard to understand

I think the five factor model is useful but A big part of being an adult is adjusting your personality traits to fit the situation.

@@brianjonker510 🪛

Totally wrong. Your personality is not an outcome of your socioeconomic status.

@@BUSeixas11 oh if only it was that simple

That's the definition of personality, since we live in societies and not in a vacuum

@@strangelove24 doesn't that make the question, whether you can decide to change your personality? this video seems to suggest that you can, if you keep doing it long enough

This is why I would question the ideal of universality. Since personality can only exist in reference to a standard of behavior (as she says, going to bed every night is hardly a personality trait), this will always be contingent, both on a macro societal level, as well as a micro social level. Am I the personality that constantly speaks over others because I am very full of myself or am I simply surrounded by weak-willed people who are fine with me taking the lead? Is there even a difference? etc.

@@QuinnArgo Psychologists certainly don't use these tests as universal, and certainly not genetically determined. Many tests were initially formulated in a psychiatric environment with people who have so much trouble coping in society, that they either voluntarily or non-voluntarily lock themselves into a psychiatric care unit. Imagine the person who believes themselves to be surrounded by weak-willed people... as a psychiatric patient in a hospital or institution of some kind. In which case their "strong-will" might be interpreted as delusional, meglamaniacal or unduly aggressive. lol And, we might see their society as immoral or dysfunctional, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" is a good example of such. Note that the book was written by someone who claimed to write it under the influence of LSD, and later went on a cross-country trip promoting use of that substance. I think it did a grave disservice to the truly mentally ill in America, too many of who are presently living in the streets. Anyways any definition of "personality", so far at least, is "squishy", and is necessarily an unknown combination of nature and nurture. I'm just not sure that anyone using personality measures has an ideal of universality. I think Sabine is bringing it up here because many test sellers try to promote their tests as "scientific". Even the best hardly stand up as scientific.

Its about traits parts of a hole a hole fixed design.

god i FUCKING HATE 16PERSONALITIES

yes yes, i agree with you. i think its quite a shame people just wave their hands over mbti. mbti the way it is now and big 5 as well are only scales, they dont provide that much insight as the cognitive functions. and the fact that even sabine didnt base her mbti around cognitive functions just shows how little it is known. still it was a great video :D

As she says in the video it's not surprising that a summary based on your own thoughts about yourself agrees with your own thoughts about yourself. Perhaps it's surprising that it can do that with only 16 buckets? But then for everyone like you there is probably someone else that doesn't think the bucket fits them well at all

You could say that about many people, though. Don't get me wrong, I think people are prone to certain behaviours, and there are certain people I meet and I think "oh brother, he's one of those types" where it feels like you have them pegged as a type, but I think this is more a case of us human beings trying to find patterns because it would be much easier if everyone just fit one of the molds we've already made in our heads.

For me the INT part is stable, but the last letter is variable. It depends on my mood, or what I've last done. I don't think I have a strong preference, the exact situation determines which way I fall.

Yes, I had that experience too. It was enlightening to realize that other people process information much differently than I do. If the tests and their interpretation are correct, of course...

My favorite interpretation of the MBTI “rooms” is they are stacks of cognitive functions - eg INTJ : Primary: Introverted intuition Secondary: Extraverted thinking Tertiary: Introverted feeling And the least developed (because it is the complimentary opposite of the primary function) Extraverted sensation One interpretation is that we are truly a mix of all cognitive functions, a mix of introverted and extraverted propensities, thinking, feeling, sensate and intuitive. What distinguishes introverts is they have two cognitive functions readily available to perceive and understand what is happening inside, including what is arising from one’s own subconscious. But introverts might only have one cognitive function easily available to relate to the world… and introverts thus can find socializing taxing or even difficult because their tendency is to only allocate their secondary function to what is happening in the outer world. Extraverts have two cognitive functions at the ready for perceiving and understanding what is happening outside, but only one readily available for self reflection. Thus some stereotypical extraverts seem to lack self-awareness, at least from an introvert’s perspective. And many extraverts think that stereotypical introverts are closet extraverts who just need to come out of their shells.

I think there's a danger that these tests can encourage some people to think about themselves and others in terms of pigeon-holed character traits instead of as rounded individuals. I guess it's human nature to want to divide up dynamic spectra into static categories; it's how we parse the world...

I feel comfortable finding out if someone is an *NT* or not and if they should go upstairs or downstairs to be happy, like, at least some of the patterns within it are bigger than any one room. Good money on the nerds staying in the nerd rooms, maybe even outside culture is mapped onto it like a hologram by outside pressure. Man, measuring this for real sounds super hard.

well of course there are more than 16 personalities. MBTI is an abstraction, which will give you a rough idea aboot who a person is.

Well, it was literally designed to evaluate psychopathology and personality disorders. Even as late as 2003, adjustments were made to reflect modern understandings of those illnesses. And it's for developing treatment plans for the diagnosed. It's been used in hiring, but originally this was in order to screen out candidates with undiagnosed mental illness. You say "many of the questions...clearly...", but ALL of the questions are looking for those indications, the entire test is for that purpose! That it's as widely used as it is in employment should probably be quite alarming.

That's by design. It's a problem when someone figures out what the test is "supposed to be asking" because then they can just answer based on the result they want to get. You can't completely avoid getting someone who knows how the test works, especially since one of the ethical principles of psychology is to be open with the research, but you don't have to make it any easier than it needs to be.

You're not alone. I would do the same just to show them it was meaningless. Just be careful they don't start thinking you're loonytoons 🙂.

U funny

16personalities is unscientific. dave powers' Objective Personality mbti expansion types with strict definitions and double blind tests

I'm so sorry to hear about your mental disability. Keep your head up guy, it must suck to be you but on the flip side at least you are living and breathing. We must always count our blessings.

Oddly enough I’m autistic and INTJ-T as well! Personally I don’t believe in personality types as an accurate measurement but it’s fun as a broad look at people

@@LemurG Autism is linked to introversion and INTJ is the most introverted of the MBTI personality types. I believe INTJs are actually high functioning autists. Smart, but socially awkward and struggling with sensory information. It all comes from the cognitive functions stack really...

I got INTJ as a teenager as well, I don't think I would anymore necessarily. I just have autism that's all. I am pretty skeptical of the tests because they don't really have much room for people to be multifaceted. You can be both logical and considerate of others feelings, and some people are both illogical and inconsiderate.

Surely a y2k situation 🤣

LOL

Nope, because it is normalized according to the number of subjects in a test and there is a finite number of questions. The calculation would have been as easy and quick as any other in the sample (if such dimension had existed)

@@cristianproust Your personality lacks receptors for absurd humor and hyperbole 😆

@@Julia68yt Is either absurd humor or hyperbole, it can't be both. Absurd would be if he says cynicism is measured in potatoes, Emmy awards or Kilograms. Hyperbole if he described her score as 1 in 40 billions. This is not knowing how this is measured and pretending to make a joke and revealing the person does not understand the video. But he is not alone apparently 😂😂

I haven't studied psychology for a long time but last job I had used 'personality' tests too frequently, (at least once a year) The relevant questions were very obvious to me so I gave them false answers (just because I could) then told the people running the S***show later towards the end of whatever course we were being primed on. (Corporate America, must have loyalty to the company while they screw you over) Usual reply was 'You can't do that' My reply was always 'I just did' 🤣 If the company had used the same people every year it would have become obvious to them I had MAJOR personality disorder as the results varied so much, but, it took major downturn before I got laid off 12 years after starting there (along with several hundred other people)

People who bash 16personalities but support big 5 are insane since it's just the NEO-PI-R test with different labels.

From this we may conclude that your personality is very serious and no nonsense, and you keep a strong track of your time.

It really depends on what personality test they used. The Big Five dimension of conscientiousness is strongly predictive of job performance

@@BUSeixas11 It wasn't that one, this video was my first hearing of it. From the brief description, theirs would designate the role you should have in the company and if you didn't get a result with the role you were applying for, you didn't get to interview. I don't want to work at a place that relies so heavily on fortune-telling., so it wasn't worth the estimated 3 hrs for taking it.

Is there a specific website you'd recommend?

Not any specific one, but the top results on google should be good

@@imperiumderstimme3331 the thing with enneagram is you can't just take a test and get prescribed a result. You can start with a test but you really should read the core desires and fears and see which one you identify with the most

@@imperiumderstimme3331 I love the enneagram. I've a 5 with a strong 4 wing.

Your suggestion made me curious about this test, but the 3 I found on the internet (top results) turned out to be false advertisements. They told me the tests were free and/or required no email but that proved to be false when I was done. I'm not interested in getting a barrage of spam and neither I am going to pay for what constitutes as a curiosity gimmick.

The idea of the cognitive functions is much more interesting to me.

Axes have validity. Fi and Ti, for example, are on the same axis. But yes, you do and should consider the cognitive functions. It's also important to note that Fi doesn't mean feeling. Ti is a linear thinking process, thus Fi is simply a comparative thinking process. The gap between the compared causes a limbic attention to devise a gravity of importance. However, both Fi and Ti are essentially thinking.

@@NotSoNormal1987 At the same time, psychiatry's looking ever more at the subconscious and emotive.

Bulloney. Arrive on time for What ?

Test: Are you honest? Me: Yes! Tester: Wow, the dishonest personality type is so rare! 😛

@michaelblacktree Are you a high Ne user? :)

I call them Personality Pests

i am familiar with the problem...

Same - I spend to much time reading random wikipedia articles when I should be researching for my homework

Yeah. Things that are familiar are not particularly stimulating so one easily sorts to searching for novelty all the time.

My experience with curiousity is totally different. I do not tend to procrastinate learning new things. It also increased my ability to carry out mundane chores efficiently and just in time. It´s not procrastination if the deadline is met.

@@maxlutz3674 : How many of your chores don't have deadlines? And in the case of writing a report, how much quality is sacrificed by "efficiently" writing it at the last minute?

Personally I found it easier to read the temperament profiles (NF, NT, SP, SJ) and find the one that suits me (all 4 are very different) then go from there : T or F and P or J which are rather easy to determine, then , I or E, then read both the remaining profiles to figure out F or T. Tests tend to be very inaccurate because as you said, it depends. The motivations for choosing certain actions I think are more important than the actions themselves and tests can't measure that.

this is exactly how it shouldn't be used

I've seen INTJ INTP and others listed as the most common for engineers. Probably because it's pretty arbitrary...

I think where people go wrong is that they think these results are prescriptive rather than descriptive, or it's believed that people are restricted because of the results. Sometimes it's a self fulfilling prophecy- would you like to come out and go bowling? "No,no, I'm introverted, I wouldnt enjoy something like that"... that sort of thing.

@@trybunt indeed - MBTI isn't a 'personality type' test, it's a 'personality disorder' test, based on Jung's analysis of psychiatric patients. If anything it should be used to indicate which behaviours you need to move away from, not clutch on to.

Two things: 1) I went in “open general”, (meaning, they get to pick my career. I know, crazy), into the USAF, and I’ll be damned…they picked the right one for me. Computer operator. I made that into a 30 year career as a programmer. 2) I took a personality test in my job, TDF (thinker, decision maker, feeler). Out of 50, 15were “feelers”, 2 were Thinkers (me), the rest all “decisions makers”. I answered my questions honestly, but the later group, some of those people were wanna-be leaders, so I suspect there was dishonest self assessment going. PS: I was very embarrassed to be sectioned off with another introvert. We both would rather not be there.

intj as well. I only like the test and the classification because it makes me believe that i belong somewhere

Also intj. These kinds of things are fun to play with but I'm not very fond of employers using it to determine if your worth a try for employment.

It's characteristic of an INTJ to not put much stock in personality testing! 😊

I am INTJ too. I tested myself and my friends just to have a starting point, an initial superficial framework to buiild upon. I find it hard to describe someone's personality and these tests can help build vocabulary to put your own understanding of others into words. I have a friend that is also INTJ and there are many traits that we recognize in ourselves and in each other, but many that we do not share or do not share with the INTJ type. And so far the most interesting part of it all is finding contradictions between people and their types and the contradictions within themselves and ourselves beyond the personality types, and into the contradictions that live within ourselves individually and as a group. I think we really know ourselves and other people well when we are aware of the contradictions within ourselves. Kinda like these tests are an useful tool to scratch the surface of personalities. And get up to speed at spotting contradictions!

I've found that MBPI types are really useful for lazy character creation in writing short stories / novels, because they (like novels) rely on extremely simplistic tropes.

Very true, mbti is not that accurate

Nothing wrong with that

There are 16 types. Where does 64 come from? If you add middle X, you could get 3^4=81 types.

@@aresmars2003 16 x 4 = 64

@@janco333 Sure, but what are the x 4?

It is derived, but completely butchered from Jung's types. No similarities whatsoever.

@@EmperorPenguinXRemas Myers-Briggs extended - not butchered - Jung’s typology: by adding the 4th axis.

Yeah, especially the turbulent VS whateveristheotherEnglishwordican'tremember.

Condescending of you to use the word 'actually'. You use the word in a confused way. The M-B was invented before the Big Five, and was based on Jung's 1921 work.

@@christophergame7977 You may have misunderstood what I’m saying slightly. I’m sure Sabine would agree that if she made an error (which she did when she said 16personalities is an MBTI test), it is worth pointing out, and ‚actually‘ is quite an appropriate word for correcting someone.

@jeremiahttumanmusik6186: You are saying that the test Sabine took was not the MBTI? Fair enough. You are saying that she took a Big Five test instead? Fair enough. Will you give details to support your statements? Will Sabine be able to confirm or clarify that for us? It is condescending to call the lettering system "pop-culture". (I think that there are substantial flaws in the MBTI. That doesn't entirely demolish it.) I regard it as condescending to use the word 'actually' to "correct someone". Moreover, l think it detracts from your message.

@@christophergame7977 You a bit neurotic?

In one of my last jobs (IT) my boss regularly told me "you just keep on talking and no-one understand a thing you're saying". It wasn't meant to be derisive (at least that's my perception but I'm shoddy taking hints, too LOL) but I literally dumbed down my software analysis after that bc I want people to understand what I'm saying. And I also quit that job after a while.