Thanks, I find the tech very interesting

why are you watching a video about card grading then

Well you see Jack I may not spend my money on the cards anymore but I do enjoy the hobby as a whole an i enjoy watching the videos and supporting people like The San Diego Upcycler so thats why I'm watching the video an leaving comments cause it helps the algorithm put videos like this into more peoples feeds its a way of supporting others with having to spend money no need to be a jerk have a nice day😁

@@jahmanglass5 yeah I think Jack should "off" , great video and I do like the looks of those sleek slabs coming from a PSA guy.

@@Jason-lk2zt pay no attention to Jack Mahogoff.

It is so great to actually know why a card graded the way it did. When I got a 8 or 9 I wasn't bummed out because I could see why

your lips to gods ears my friend

Glad you enjoyed it. Please check out my other videos and consider subscribing :)

Glad we are on the same page, drop a link in my comments here when your video is done

Overall I was very pleased/impressed, thanks

You heard right, they've done it numerous times. And they pop control. A bunch of other things too much to list though.

Glad you enjoyed it!

No problem!

Glad you enjoyed it and welcome aboard!

Thanks a bunch!

Thanks!

Glad it was helpful!

Glad you enjoyed it. I am really hoping TAG catches on

I agree

WAY WAY WAY to many people buying the name/number on a slabs instead of the card inside. But, for the time being, I'm still sending cards I want to sell/flip to PSA until I see companies like TAG getting equivalent (or hopefully better) resale prices than PSA. In reality if PSA really starts to lose market share to TAG then I bet they just buyout the company and integrate their tech (which is fine by me). As long as I get transparent accurate and consistent grading.

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 I am actually counting on everything you just said about PSA acquiring TAG. As for the secondary market…I pay full PSA prices for TAG slabs. Maybe I’m the only 1, and maybe I’m dumb, but I do. I think they actually hold a premium over PSA, and I’m willing to pay for it.

@@Jeremy1998999 I haven't even seen one for sale yet of players I PC, but I would pay equal for a TAG 10 to a PSA 10 as well

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 Brother, they’re a little bit hard to find on ebay. Who do you PC? I might have bought them all up, LOL! A guy out of Florida, I want to say he sells under floridasportscardinvestors on ebay has a TON of TAG goodies. His prices are high, but he will negotiate on EVERYTHING. I typically just send him Ebay comps and he’ll match their pricing. He ships almost immediately and his packaging is 2nd to none.

@@Jeremy1998999 I just recently setup a saved search in eBay for them. I'm a big Padres guy so I like Machado, Tatis, Gwynn, Musgrove. But also Griffey, Trout, Ichiro, and some Tomlinson. Plus I'm always looking for deals to flip and try to make a buck

I like that all that extra info is available but not written all over the slab, the QR code seems like a perfect middle ground. It's there if you want it but can be easily ignored if you are not interested in the "why"

Yes, knowing the reason a card got a 9 or 8.5 is so fantastic. Not as fantastic as getting a 10 but you know what I mean :)

agreed

you're welcome! Are you part of TAG?

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 I am not. I’m sorta their most ardent supporter, at least publicly. I’m not the guy who jumps on new stuff to be a trendsetter, BUT I am the guy that if I complain about something, and then someone fixes it…well, then I’m going to support them. I have a personal stake in TAG…I want to see more TAG slabs in the wild, so I can buy them. I’d buy from your submission if I weren’t tapped from buying other TAGs this week…plus saving up for my next TAG sub. I’ll be sending off a Topps Black Gold set very soon.

@@Jeremy1998999 Curious if you ever tried HGA and if that fiasco impacts your perspective on TAG. I know it makes me more skeptical of the tech

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 Oh, so about HGA…so I knew the stories, but no, I missed it. I took a chance on TAG, and they’ve delivered on the tech. I’m more than content with their quality and grading reports. My ONLY 2 criticisms at this point are the lack of PR and their complete lack of transparency about why they won’t grade pre-2000 cards. By the way, I’ve heard all their excuses on this subject, and absolutely NONE of them hold water. The thing that chaps my ***, is that I’m here thanking you for your submission…where are they? None of their marketing team has KZfaq? They’re really failing their new customers in this respect. So, for what it’s worth, I want to thank you again for submitting and increasing the population of TAG slabs. I want to thank you again for making such a precise video, I know it must have taken a good amount of time editing it. Thank you on behalf of the absent TAG PR department.

Glad it helped!

They are!

Thanks, if you want to see some serious human error check out my video of the 2 card regrading I sent back to PSA

I agree 100%

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it

I agree

yes they are

Some people don't like them but I think they are best slab in the industry. Really puts the focus on the card and the not the slab/label

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 I am an SGC guy but and I still think that vintage would look the best in their slabs, but modern looks great in TAG slabs. I sent a large order into HGA when they first started and my cards are so poorly graded. I'm gonna crack them and send them to TAG and do a similar video on my channel.

From your lips to Gods ears

I would bet that TAG knows when a card is being regraded because identical scores in all categories has to be near impossible.

I'm in the same boat, have to send cards I want to sell to PSA. My PC stuff goes to TAG

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 They are the best looking slabs hands down however this is a long game and hope they can survive. I still can't believe Arena Club and HGA are still going..

Glad you enjoyed it

Please continue... I'd love to be educated more on the tech

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 Okay, let’s see if I can explain this where it makes sense considering I’m an artist. Lol. An image consists of three frequencies (high, medium and low). The process I believe the technology is using is what we do in photoshop to split those frequencies in order to separately work on one frequency without having an effect on the others. It’s also possible they could be using a high pass layer but that isn’t as accurate as splitting frequencies. The grey that you see over the image in the video is what would be the high frequency. The high frequency is where all the details live (blemishes,etc..). In the high we can see a scratch versus hair or even a dent which would be a pore or pimple for retouching a human without the color being a distraction. The medium and low frequency is where color lives. I’m not sure if this technology would go as far as evaluating color because in my opinion that would be a bit overkill to subject a card to that type of scrutiny. However, hopefully they don’t see this comment because they could totally use the technique to see the difference between cards color and use it for saturation and vibrancy. 😩🥴 I hope this helps.

@@faze1er Fantastic info, thanks!

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 Anytime. Thank you for sharing as well.

Yeah, luckily I film all my videos of that giant mouse pad :)

Thanks for the sub!

agree

Yes, the more cards you send in the lower the rate gets but not by a whole lot. I also think this is just the early adopter pricing and not what their final pricing will be months and years from now. That being said, it worked out to about $22 a card for me. As for the Soto, yes they refunded me for that card

Please let us know more about the tech from your machinist perspective I'd love to learn... as for the slab it worked out to just over $20/card to get graded

I agree, but overall the whole slab secondary market is bonkers. PSA is WAY WAY overvalued relative to everything else and I have to believe that will eventually correct itself. I think if/when the larger market of hobbyists learn to believe in and trust the tech behind TAG they (admittedly on a much smaller scale) are in the best position to close that gap and get on par or even above PSA pricing

a month door to door

I just subbed too btw... cool info

The more volume you do the cheaper it is. My 10 card order worked out to like $22/card

Thanks for watching!

They are rolling out new pricing any day now $14/card so I believe they have temporarily stopped taking submissions. As for the TAG acronym, I 1000% agree that searching for them in eBay or 130point is not easy

I 100% agree with you... except I think the TAG slab is a tiny bit better than CSG :)

I broke the slab myself and sent it to TAG raw. As for the video request, I actually have a How To video on breaking a slab, just click on my channel name and look under videos

They look sooooo good in person

I don't know, I've seen some pretty suspect centering on PSA 10s before...

Also, they did take off some points for centering on that card as it only got a 940 (closer to a 9 than a Pristine 10)

PSA has wayyyyy to many cards that should be 10’s grade 8’s and 9’s and 10’s that should be 9’s with bad centering. Inconsistency is consistent with PSA. A new consistent transparent and affordable method is needed in the hobby.

@@freedomthefreeman487 100% agree. Go checkout my video where I resubbed the same 2 cards to PSA twice. One went from a 5 to a 9 LOL

When I first tried it (for this video) I had no idea what to expect. But yes, obviously I liked it :)

thanks, in a future video I'll try laying the card on the table while I talk and just zoom in the camera a bit more.

Can't do it. Patented by BGS

I had these back in a little under a month. Yes, you pay less the more cards you send and there was no extra charge for the 1000pt grade and detailed report.

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 okay you sold me I think I'm going to try TAG

They can spot a fake and do authenticate. Also, they will eventually roll out pre-2000 cards. They are a small company/team

An interesting and important question yes but I think the #1 question is does the tech actually work and does it work better than human graders? If so, the slab value will come but more likely they'll get bought by one of the big graders to scale it up. Maybe someone like PSA does all their sub $499 or sub $199 bulk modern submissions with this tech and the human graders spend WAY more time on the big ticket cards?

I will be interesting to see what their pop report and gem rates looks like after some volume is in there. But, don't think of 950 = 9.5, think of it is 95% perfect, the real "grade" is 950 but they convert that to a 10 to match the scales most customers are used to.

There is a difference between a 10 and 10 Pristine

depends on what your goal is. If you want to know what if any flaws are in a card then yes absolutely worth the money. If you just want to flip/sell then stick to PSA... for now

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 thanks for the info ,,,,,, I was wondering that because honestly them slabs look amazing 🤩 ,,,Idk they look better then PSA no sneak diss just the truth,,,,,I like the look 👀 the engraving the color scheme ,,,,,all of it …..

@@purplealiencookies7416 They looks WAY better in hand vs PSA

The only reasons TAG fails is because they are grading too accurate. People want the easy PSA 10's for increased return in profits. If you crack 10 PSA 10's and send them to TAG and they grade lower, collectors won't accept this process. Which is a shame. Accurate grading should be the main criteria, but it isn't, unfortunately.

I am thinking more like a company like BGS or PSA buys TAG and then implements the tech. Image how much money PSA could make if they offered a $5-$8 "reslab" special where they would convert them over to the new "AI" grade process.

Not alot of comps out there but I've sold a few and they go pretty close to PSA for equivalent grades

correct

I agree with you. But having had both the TAG and eBay stuff in hand the eBay holder seem MUCH stupider and more wasteful

I am working on a follow up video where I am getting some questions answered direct from TAG... stay tuned

couldn't agree more. But to really compete they will need to accept a wider range of cards (especially vintage). They are working towards this but are probably at least a year or two away from really directly competing

I always wonder is PSA over priced or are the others under priced? What is the true value of a GEM MINT card?

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 psa just overpriced.

Not my favorite grading company, I just like their slabs the best. I actually like the quality of the grading at TAG and SGC are the best these days

what is "sun" grading?

@@thesandiegoupcycler2586 Yeha it’s when they take there grading deck outside in the sun and grade your cards in the the sun lol. No I meant sub grading

@@ecobritefl2884 the "real" grade is the 1000 point scale and grading report. Watch the last few minutes of this video and it goes over it

I believe TAG does RPAs/Autos now

No. 2000-present. 35/55pt, no autos or mem.

@@Jeremy1998999 the only point of grading is to authenticate vintage

nothing before 2000 thats crazy whats the point

@@mickey-eq5vw exactly your just paying for a holder if it’s That new it should be nm or better it’s the stuff from the 70s and prior grading was set up for to authenticate and determine true value.

Oh, I absolutely agree. While I will defend TAG at every turn, my harshest criticism is that they don’t grade pre-2000. I am sitting on a MASSIVE sub of 1986-1992 cards, and I’m trying to be patient with TAG. I bring it up non-stop, because more than anything I want to get this stuff slabbed by TAG. I also want to crack every single pre-2000 slab I have. I’m sorry, but the PSA and BGS flips just make we want to puke. Seriously, a PSA flip just makes me think of a medicine bottle.

this sub the grading looks solid but i seen an optic devin booker red TAG 10 on ebay wit 70/30 centering top to bottom, if the tech is so new and precise how did that happen

@@mickey-eq5vw I don't know exactly but out of curiosity I just looked at that card and it got a 933 (barely a 10) and if the card was otherwise really good then my guess is the TAG algorithm probably knocked off some point for that centering issue but not enough to knock it below the 925 GEM threshold?

@@rexvanderpool thats interesting, so they dont use a .5 scale they simply give a whole number so ya have an idea of the grade at first glance but the more exact grade is the grade to 1000?

@@mickey-eq5vw yes, I believe so. 925 to 975 is a Gem 10

@@mickey-eq5vw Yeah, the "real" grade is the 1000 point scale and they just convert it to a simple grade to compare to other companies. That is where the whole ranking thing comes into play and has alot of potential

$22/card. PSA is current at $19 and you have to be a member

They will be rolling out cheaper submission packages at times and I imagine they will drop standard pricing eventually. You also save a bunch in shipping and packaging. That HAS to be taken into consideration.

Volume is WAY to low to assess resale value yet. Check back on this in 12-18 months