Just so Ronin Dex of him, there.

Sounds like something a much older brother would say.

I feel like this is a set up to where in the further future he will grow some muscle.

​@@sagesage8939 "...this is a set up to where in the further future he will grow some muscle." You would never know by grabbing him through loose clothing. Bruce Lee was completely smooth skinned and soft as a girl in his looks. Then he would flex and his entire body would show rippled cordes of micro muscle, like he was put together by string and fishing line. This is why he could deliver a 2" power punch that could send a man flying back six feet through the air into a chair. When they show Paul Atreides 'get muscle' it will be as a function of his going native, where all the water will be wrung out of him and he will look like old boot leather by the time he is 30. Like all Westerners who bake themselves to a husk in the Middle East do. Living in a desert changes the genome and makes it less healthy, in a lot of ways as you live in a constant state of overtemp (cooking your brain and key organs) and dehydration. Pretending otherwise is going to make everyone in these movies look stupidly water-fat. As an alternative, how much more interesting would it be if they FORCED the little soft faced effeminate to go on his first 'man journey', with a couple escorts (Gurney and Duncan and about ten picked men). Because this is how the actual Cursus Honorum as Path To Command begins. And imagine that he grinned shyly and immediately began to enjoy it. Because he can play mind games too. Of course, he might die. Just as he might get nicked when his training partner teaches him a new technique called 'Fucking and Music is about Mood, Fighting is about Necessity!'. But that's why every royal house has a wife with at least four kids, two male, and multiple concubines whose bastards can be legitimized if there is a major accident or disease and she doesn't want to try again. Except we can't show that either because it 'dehumanizes' the woman to be a brood mare (her gender role) and surround her child with other children who will love him as the brothers and sisters of an extended family they actually are. Because, you know, scifi is never about realism of a new experience in altered environmental normed social conditions. The notion that Paul is 'special' is ridiculous, if they keep him like a bird in a gilded cage. The Romans knew what made a man leadership material was exposure, to the man-house of how things were done in the world and thus how he performed in tutelage, in martial and athletic training, and in more advanced financial, economic and strategic understandings. What makes rich kids successful in life is their interaction with other wealthy scions of similar genetic ability (mean IQ 125) and outlook (predatory) perspective. But it's also how rapidly their parents Achilles dip them in the experiences of a broader world to set context. And (in Rome) that never stopped, from the moment they have chosen friends and playdates to the scholaria they are sent to learn from. And then they join the military, on the level of an OCS/ROTC type candidate and 'command men' via a senior Centurion who kept him from looking too great a fool as he watched HOW orders were given while smoothing the polish on /why/ they were. Do you see Paul Atreides do any of this? No. He's the kept only child who either ends up an accountant, living in his parent's basement or a suspect in a mass shooting. There is no reason for him to be that socially awkward. NOR would he share worries with a junior officer, however much he liked him. THAT would be thrashed right out of him, early on, as an 'information is power and informants belong to those who command their loyalty, not act friendly to them'. Finally, you have Atreides' gifts, as both Mentat and Bene Gesserite he-witch. Which, given what Jessica was trying for would/should almost certainly have included deep suggestive training to capture and focus or stabilize the gifts of prediction or prescience, however they were achieved. Because you don't breed humans for trait-X and then stand back and say: 'Yeah, that's about right...' when you see the finished product, like it was a show dog or a rose. Jessica essentially put a blood debt on her own as her husband's life with one of the most wickedly evil psychotic sub societies within the Empire to achieve this on generation early Kwisatz Haderach outcome. Are you honestly going to say she didn't known of what she messed with, genetically, given all the OTHER things she forcibly imparted on a male child? Complete rubbish. Especially as the Bene Tleilax could recall almost all of a person's past-life experiences, via genetic memory. Why, if they know so much about the human soul, are they so primitive in it's comprehension as to treat children like medical experiments? Again, this is why the story, as told by Frank Herbert in the 1970s, is really kind've dated to the point of awkwardness. These people treat their son in a way which is sadistic as hell by effectively refusing to see him as a child but a minime version of themselves and then further manage to fuck things up by not GIVING HIM THE UPBRINGING that the wealthy always do in imparting that kind of no-childhood social awareness. All because Herbert didn't have time or inclination to show Paul as doing anything more than jumping out, from the opening scenes, 'filled with portent' as a perfect-formed warrior messiah. Such bullshit. If you have a tradition of raising supermen through selective breeding and gene expression, _show it_. Because that would have actually been interesting.

nicely spotted!

He's also one of the guards in the room when Stilgar first appears to talk to Leto

The one who shout "Shield" when they're about to step out first time in Arrakis?

Roger Yuan, he's also the stunt coordinator and choreographer for the cast. Dude's as legit as they come

also seen in one of Paul’s first visions with him and chani overlooking the jihad while wearing black, alternative possible futures ;))

It also shows how practical Duncan is as a man, and also that Paul is starting to go down a different path. What's great is that everything you said is true, but the other stuff is also pertinent. Back in the day we called that good writing, which we are severely lacking in now.

Kinda makes Paul's character more tragic, he saw the possibilities yet his grief lead him down a very self destructive path. Leaving his son to pick what remained of his legacy

​@@nobodyimportant2534 darth vader 🥹

I think he did take it a bit for granted in this scene. He wasn't taking Paul seriously.

bro.

⁠@@davecrupel2817to be fair if someone told you that they saw you die in their dreams you’d laugh it off to draw off the tension but also you’d be skeptical considering they are just dreams and could be that your friend is just afraid of losing you.

​@hehehehebruh2108 Yeah, but Paul has Bene Gesserit powers, and dreams are part of them, so he should've taken those dreams seriously.

@@davecrupel2817 Just like a big brother.

I especially like how Denis and his casting director worked on family resemblance. Timothee and Rebecca are just utterly perfect mother and son, and when put with Oscar Isaac you can see where Paul got the slightly darker skin tone and dark features from in combination with his mother. Meanwhile Florence Pugh and Christopher Walken as Irulan and Shaddam also have a certain familial resemblance. Austin Butler also looks great as a dark mirror of Timothee and I can even see how he can sort of fit in with the Skarsgard family. Last thing, Rebecca and Stellan are both Swedish, which hints at Jessica's true heritage.

@@pseudonymousbeing987 I'm freaking the fuck out because I just realized "Were they casting Feyd-Rautha with Bill (Skarsgård)'s likeness in mind????" because that just popped up in my head and I looked at the pictures in their wikipedia page aND IT LOOKS TOO SIMILAR TO BE COINCIDENTAL- Also can I just say that I'm genuinely convinced that they're keeping the 'Lady Jessica is Reverend Mother Mohiam and Baron Harkonnen's child' thing because my immediate observation was "Rebecca looks alot like Charlotte in her younger years" and the fact that both Stellan and Rebecca are Swedish seems too perfect to not be intentional.

@@perenniallachrymosity276 yup on all fronts there. I agree. Butler makes me think of Bill.

I like everything about the casting except that Liet Kynes was supposed to be a dude. They switch that and I don't see any reason behind it. The actress does show a likeness to Chani but he was supposed to be her father instead of her mother.

@@chrisdooley6721 oh and don't even get me started on Chani! When I saw the cast before the movie I thought "How the hell are they going to turn Zendaya into Chani!" and then saw the movie. They are literally using the actors like a canvas, painting what the books project beautifully. They are going to make something legendary if they keep going like this. It's going to overshadow so much of the existing sci-fi material. The hype is real! But my favourite might be Paul. I have a strong urge to fly to where Chalamet lives, kiss him on the forehead and thank him for being Paul! Then get tazed by whatever security guards present at the scene ofc

I'm still trying to understand why exactly him.

@@l.m.a.9861 He’s the Knickknack Paddywhack.

@@l.m.a.9861frank fell in-love with a man from idaho named duncan

@@l.m.a.9861 He was initially brought back to serve as an obviously secret weapon against Paul, and by the time that second life ended, Leto II was already well on his way to becoming the God Emperor. Leto II chose to continuously bring Duncan back because of his and his father's fond memories of him, and those memories helped to ground the gestalt consciousness Leto II had once he accepted the worm into his physiology. In short, Duncan was his security blanket for 3500 years.

He died in the first book

YES !!! He has his own theme and it repeats a few times in the movie. We last hear it when Paul salutes Jamis with the crysknife right before their fight. Very subtle, LOVE IT!!

What is the significance of the beetle? I haven't read the book in 30 years.

And in this film(dream), Sardaukar are wearing their official uniforms. Anyone worth their salt in the landsraad would immediately recognize sardaukar uniform.

@@caelestigladii I understand that Denis wanted to show Paul seeing Duncan's ultimate death, but misinterpreting it as something that happens during his early stay at Arrakis. So that when it happens for real, the audience is like "oooh, so that's the moment he foresaw!". But in doing that he made a plot hole in Paul remembering his dreams perfectly, being trained in the arts of Bene Geserit (and in the books he was also as good as a Mentat), and still somehow missing that Gurney was killed by men in unique white armor.

@@transformersrevenge9Because in the books and technically the movie as well, they were not wearing sardaukar uniforms they were disguised as harkonnen soldiers, but I guess denis wanted to show the audience the difference between who's who in a more visual way.

It also shows how practical Duncan is as a person. Paul is having dreams of what is to come, but in the end Duncan can't focus on that. He's got work to do, a task to complete, and he's going to do it. That's a perfect representation of every military man I've ever known in my life (Specifically my uncles who were both career commissioned officers).

The footage made my Mamoa and his friends didn't make it into the movie, Denis reshoot that

No. Duncan was going to die no matter what. Paul thought it was the Fremen that killed him, but he if you look at the dream in this scene, those are dead Sardaukar. So it's already showing us the sardaukar are going to kill him. We're just not introduced to them yet.

No. Because the Golden Path requires Duncan as an agent to help keep it running. And he has to die a lot to get there.

Well, future is not decided it is flow of infinite. but according to paul's vision, path he choose is the least worse, and visions we see are in years, but reality is that visions are looking ahead of thousands of years.

@@rainyvideos3684 Yes, what you say makes sense for the vision that he had, but nonetheless they are shown to not be completely realiable, especially as he is still in the early development of his prescience. There are many paths, as there were with Jamis

@@thisisaname5589 I am aware of his necessity in the bigger scope of the books... I see what you mean but the golden path is not unavoidable... another path could be taken. Hell, there were even paths without the Jihad in the first place.

Pretty sure that’s Duncan. That person has Jason mamoa’s build.

@@aleckelly374If I remember, it’s actually a shot of Stilgar. But it’s certainly implied that it’s the end of Messiah.

Yes, premonitions are a thing in Dune but only certain people have been bred to be able to do it. Paul is the culmination of one such program, though only a few people are aware of it.

@@topleybird2443 I'm sure that some ppl might to less accurate/long-term degree be able to INSTINCTIVELY get to the right conclusion at times (the manipulations of bloodline crossing is meant to 100% guarantee this all the time at any time, on a visible level, and thus more easily manipulatable by choosing the Path more long-term, clearly)

@@topleybird2443 yeah it's called prescience. And it is possible for the individuals to acquire it if they consume sufficient amounts of spice. Other beings that possess prescience are Bene Gesserit and Guild Navigators - the latter use it to navigate during space travel, so that they do not collide with anything. Hence they need massive amounts of spice to do their job.

@@topleybird2443 A pile of atrocities, an abomination.

It’s not a premonition, Paul can literally see through the strands of times and see the multiple paths. The more spice he takes the clearer he will see them and the deeper his sight will go. Other people have a limited vision, for example guild navigators can see the right path through space with spice.

I think it was the origonal Duncan living with the Fremen before he comes back to report to Leto 1.

Spice plays a big part in his ability but I’m not smart enough to explain it

the bene gesserit have been trying to breed a male seer who can tap into the whole of the genetic memory, resulting in Paul. his mentat training and the spice overload at arrakis let him see through time in the same sort of way as the guild navigators who use it to see a path faster than light. so he is just hyperaware of spacetime. long story short, it is magic. space magic.

He doesn't literally see the future, but more like many possible outcomes. The farther in the future an event is, the harder it would be for him to see it, unless it is something major like the Jihad. Inversely the closer an event is to the present, events become easier to see, hence you will see him get a premonition about an assassination attempt or something similar right before it happens.

The comments here pretty much have it, spice melange essentially does magic things like increasing cognitive ability, Paul with his mental training, Bene Gesserit training and large amounts of spice is essentially rapidly calculating possible future events to a high degree of accuracy based upon the tiniest if not subliminal points of data he is intaking.

It’s not an exact science nor supernatural per se. It’s something resulting from more like thousands of years of human evolution combined w the nuclear cocaine-Esque stimulant that is spice gives people a higher range of thinking. It assumes that there’s still many great mysteries about human brains which haven’t been uncovered in our time

he's clone

Why would he say anything to the Reverend Mother. The Bene Gesserit were against his existence.

Duncan was in leto court before Paul was even born.

@@mrrios2881 but what drew them together to become friends?

@@gundam116Duncan was conscripted to the atreides after the fall of his swordmaster school. He is the last master of his school and warned the trust and respect of Duke Leto to be his personal special agent of the atreides and mentor to Paul

Thanks. Spelling corrected.

It's probably Caladanian and not well-suited for Arrakis. But it does establish that Duncan can fly stuff, so it makes more sense when he takes the Harkonnen thopter.

like my boy shouldve told someone lmao

They went there knowing the emperor and the harkonens were up to some shady shit

@@Gameboymug right i guess they had no choice at that point

That's the thing! Leto already knew that all this was a trap from the Harkonnens and the Emperor. He gamble to still take Arrakis and get the Spice Production on the run while joining forces with the Fremen to be indispensable for the Empire and protecting himself from an invasion. What he didn't know is that the invasion was set to happen only one month after taking Arrakis. He just didn't know how short on time he was.

@@gsalii They quite literally had no choice. If they refused, Big E might have ordered their execution for going against Big E's decree (it was only a "do you accept?" on a surface level, in reality they had no choice, it's just bureaucratic appearances being maintained). Big E also likewise practically forced the Harkonnen to become poor, because they'd be forced to wage war, and the Spacing Guild doesn't like war because it's bad for their galactic business, so they demand exorbitant amounts of money to allow troop transfers of that kind of scale at all. This basically bankrupted the Harkonnen, draining like 90%+ of all of their money gained from controlling Spice harvesting for some 80+ years, and given 1 suitcase of Spice is enough to BUY A PLANET, this means that's quite a lot of money they lose to get the Spacing Guild to transport their troops to Arrakis (they are the Economic threat to House Corrino, that the Atreides are the Militaristic threat to it, which is why Big E decided to have them both ruin themselves, for the greater good of the House Corrino)

It's possible Paul simply didn't recognize the amor having never been exposed to a Sardaukar solider before landing on Arrakis. Its implied that its Paul's first time leaving Caladan. Or it could've been an honest oversight lol.

In retrospect, sure, but he is unaware of the full extent of the impending ambush and massacre. He has no idea what exactly he's looking at, maybe Duncan was fighting alongside the Sardukar and was killed, maybe the Sardukar are a visual allegory for something else, he doesn't really know.

Couldn’t have said it better myself frankly

joe

@@hivefleetchicken7004 mama

Strangely, this is also why your contention is shit.

haha!

In the book he was already full of himself. Do you NOT remember the Dinner, him boasting about how his Father would sort it all out, while his mother was thinking that a "a child who is sleeping protected by guard has no right to be so boastful" What I find funny is that soooo many Dune "Fans" forget that the Saga of Dune, from Frank Herbert's perspective, is NOT meant to be a worship of Fanaticism, nor Autocracy... Ohhh how we all forget..

He's the heir of a House that just became the fief of the most important planet in the universe, I don't think humility comes naturally to him.

Duncan is a bro, the fuck you on?