For those wondering, I could only find TWO instances where this rule has actually been used to remove the loser point. For more details you can check out the video I alluded to from this last year: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5thZceTucW9fI0.html (it was feb, not summer lol)

My jaw dropped when I saw Fluery heading to the bench. When the Wild scored, my jaw had completely fallen off. I'm happy I got to watch that live.

pulling the goalie in OT is absolutely insane

"This is why you need to be subscribed to my KZfaq channel". Truer words have never been spoken. Well done Eck.

I mean if you have solid possession of the puck, it’s a viable strategy, and great video Eck, as always👍🥳

Even more hilarious that the players didn’t know about this rule to potentially lose a point. Wonder if Hynes knew

Thanks for the vid Eck. That’s awesome for the Wild actually trying this and having it work.

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You're very knowledgeable. Always a pleasure to watch these short and informative videos of yours.

Sergei Fedorov has been doing this in the KHL since 2021

You have got to cover the Flyers at Lightning game. I was at the game and the energy was electric in the first period when Torts got tossed

I watch both KHL and NHL so I've watched 4 on 3 OT a lot of times in KHL(in KHL you don't lose a point if your opponent scores in an empty net). This strategy is actually valid if you have talented players who can provide good puck control (two 4-player brigades). Like I've literally seen only 1 or 2 empty net goals and in other cases (about 20) either team scores like Minnesota did or another team survives but it is really exhausted by the end of OT.

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I think it's great when rare thing like these happens! Makes the game more exciting. More teams should do these kind of tactics

I was watching this game and I was stunned when Minnesota pulled Fleury in OT

I’m a Ducks fan I was watching this game on espn + and was in shock like that’s gutsy I tip my hat to the Wild head coach

I was at that game. Everyone in the crowd was super confused. Fleury was at the top of the circles like twice before and I was wondering what he was doing. I didn’t even think pulling him was a possibility because like who does that lol. But in the end it worked out and it was a cool moment to see live. ❤

happened to Vancouver against Calgary or Edmonton a few years back

Wild fan here. Was shitting bricks when he pulled the flower. Happy with the outcome tho lmao.

I cant believe the Minnesota Subways won 4 on 3 with a pulled goalie in overtime.

You should do a video about the overtime goal called back buffalo against Edmonton

I remember this happening a few years back. Maybe the 09-10 season. Whoever were fighting for the last seed on the playoffs did it to get the better matchup for their playoff series but that was also like the very very end of the season. Not quite the same as this. This was pretty random

Leafs did it against Ottawa like 3-4 years ago. Power play in OT, pulled the goalie to make it a 5-3 and won.

Pretty bold move pulling the goalie in OT. Worked out well, but still.....

I was there an also realize that I had never seen that happen in a game before. The building went nuts when they realized they had pulled Fleury. And like you, I had no idea that the “you forfeit the point if they score against you. “rule even existed. Balls of steel move. The NHL does have to fix the overtime though. It has just become a boring game of keep away until someone makes a mistake.

Boldy and Krill the Thrill are amazing!!

Watching the game, the astonishment in the announcers' voices when the Wild did that was very evident. I think I'm starting to warm up to this new coach.

The only time it make sense to risk the guaranteed point would be if you need a ROW on the last day of the season to get a playoff spot. This was a pure gamble that paid off. Can you imagine what the coach looks like if Nashville wins the game? And yes, I know "but they didn't". To which I reply, "they definitely could have"... so that is not a valid argument.

A few years ago, the Bruins almost had a situation where, due to ROW and tiebreakers, in the final game of the year, an OT win would have sent them to the playoffs, but going to a shootout win or loss would have eliminated them. I was hoping to see if they'd pull their goals in OT for that reason, but the penguins had won already, making it a moot point.

As a preds fan this hurts to watch almost as much as the bounce off the glass goal

I was at that game and I knew about the rule! I can't believe I got to see that live

That’s Wild hockey decisions!

I cant believe so many people in general didn't really know the rule. It's basically why you don't see teams do it for an offensive face-off with 5 to 10 seconds left in OT. If teams got the loser point, teams would easily take the risk.

I was glad they scored. Not because I wanted the Wild to win but because how boring would an empty-net sudden death goal be?

Perfect situation for this. If it failed, you would still not fault the coach. Let's see if it lights a fire under the Wild. Faith from your coach does inspire players.

I was watching the game with my dad and when OT started I said "we should pull the goalie when we have possession". Never thought it would actually happen! Crazy move having 4 forwards out there during 3v3 OT

It’s so cool watching the crowd all rise when they saw Fleury skate to the bench.

Cool. I knew nothing of this. Thank you. ☮

Watch the Wild make the playoffs by a point - we'll be coming back to this video!

A key part to this no one has mentioned, where minny is at in the standings if they catch up they could very well be tied in pts for a playoff spot. Shootout wins are a negative for tiebreaker, so they don't want any games going to shootout right now

Anyone else come back to this video after the Wild pulled this stunt again against the VGK three weeks later and didn’t work out in their favor?

I feel like I distinctly remember there being a game between two eastern conference teams that had this situation and that’s when I learned of the rule. It was probably around 10 years ago. Will report back if I can figure anything out. Edit: figured it out. It didn’t happen but I read of the situation on Reddit 6 years ago. Toronto and Tampa were close in points and Tampa needed to win the game outright or in OT and not let it go to a shootout out because it would come down to ROW.

This Preds fan has to tip his hat to Hynes on that one...he knew his opposing roster well and that they're coming on the second of a back-to-back, hence the tired legs, sloppy passes, and timidness. If there's any time to do that in a 3v3 OT, it's with those conditions. Nevertheless, I'm happy with the point. Proud of the boys💪

We are still up by 9 points on the Wild but it was a beautiful move by Hynes and I respect it.

It would be curious to look at the percetanges of a 4v3 power play. If it's high I wonder if teams might start doing this more but you'd have to look at odds they get a clear/shot at the empty net too.

Who's here after the Wild tried it again and it backfired against Vegas?

risk vs reward rules are amazing, very cool

I love this and I love Roy pulling the goalie with like 12 mins left

To have maximum effect, they should have done it at the end of regulation. That was the better risk/reward scenario, since a goal there means you gain 2 points on the predators.

Wow. Nordy will be pleased!

I couldn’t believe it while watching it on tv crazy how it worked out

Such a wild game, no pun intended

Does flower get credit for the win since he left the game when it was tied? 🤔

Crazy story, but a little confused lol. Why pull the goalie in OT when they could've still gotten 2 points with a win in the shootout? Nashville already gets the one point either way, just seems much riskier to pull goalie than to take it to a shootout to see if they could win. Is it for ROW?

The Force was strong with that coach.

Ive watched one NHL game live in my life and it was Vegas vs Nashville on new years eve and Vegas pulled their goalie and it ended up working out and they got the two points so I guess teams just like pulling their goalie against Nashville in OT.

What a BOLD move!

KHL does that all over the place. But KHL doesn’t have that rule that team loses a point

Lmao I swear the only time Eck talks about the Predators is when something unfortunate happens to them. Anyway, hella ballsy move. Glad to see Hynes grew a pair considering when he was in Nashville we played the most boring hockey imaginable

There actually is another case of a team pulling the goalie in overtime and winning with footage when the kings did it in 2017 with less then 10 seconds in overtime and scored of the draw

Crazy!!!

In the spirit of roger nielson, my first thought about this was what happens if the goalie returns to the ice immediately when you turn it over? Take whatever too many men penalty but its better than losing a point

By pulling this move, did they get 2 or 3 points for winning in overtime?

I remember when Federov pulled the goalie in OT for a KHL game, and they won, which made me win my KHL parlay. Good times

It would be even more interesting if scoring with the empty net made it so the other team doesn't get the free point for losing in overtime.

I’m surprised a point hasn’t been lost when a team pulled their goalie on the delayed penalty and accidentally drop passed it back into the empty goal. The Caps did these a few years ago (but not in overtime).

Man doing this is even more insane than the Patrick Roy pulling the goaltender 10 minutes before the game ends, additional insanity goes to the fact they lose the extra point if an OT goal is scored on them.

congrats on 124k!!!!!!!!!!!!

This happens a lot in the KHL

I never knew you could do that.

Pretty ballsy move from Hynes.

John Hynes is COOKING!

TIL a new rule. Had no clue about the forfeiting of the point.

The only time I would understand if a team did this is if they were in a situation where they needed a regulation or OT win to stay alive, and a shootout win or any loss would eliminate them. Otherwise it seems like a massive risk.

happened in 2017 LA vs Boston but it was less than 0.9 sec left and Toffoli made a buzzer beater this on the other hand is wild ( haha get it)

I had anyone figure out the reason the league takes the point away? I think a way better rule would be is you pull your goalie and score with the extra attacker, you not only get 2 points for the win, the loser point from the other team goes to you as well.

Double edge sword glass cannon move

In NCAA women's hockey, Ohio State tried something similar at the end of the 3rd period a couple years ago, thinking they needed the regulation win. It backfired.

I dont see what's the big risk. How often do you score on your own net?

Pat Burns did it with Montreal in 1989 to try to beat Calgary for the president cup. They finished 1,2. It didn't work for the habs that time...

I am subbed

this literally happened with the canucks against LA on the fifth

I was at the game and was so confused

You guys should watch KHL. They pull goalie in ot constantly

What would make the rule even crazier is if the opposing team doesn’t get their one point.

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Nice.

We'll see it go wrong when the leafs inevitably try it. Or also possibly the islanders, cause Roy loveees pulling that goalie

I would expect something like this from Roy instead 😂

12 game point streak and still this team finds ways to make me lose my sanity.

Not sure why there has to be the punishment of not getting the single point. It’s a high risk, high reward play already.

I hate it when my team is features on your channel, because usually it means we lost

Should I say it was a "Boldy move"

We could have seen a goalie score an OT goal too

+200IQ

I never knew about this rule. If they remove this rule, maybe it will open up OT more. I really want the shoot out removed.

This was the first time in NHL...... this has been done elsewhere already!

It happened before

I’ve seen this on 3 channels before yours…