Joyce's energy is unmatched. Great episode guys. Fred was on violence 🤣

Thinking back to when VP was behind the camera, faceless and didn’t even make commentary. Never been so happy to see someone in front of the camera other than behind it. He literally completes the trio

Whoever wrote the trigger warning and used ‘digression’ instead of ‘discretion’ deserves the helmet ✅

VP is such a ray of sunshine mannnn love his energy every time!

Haven't finished the ep yet but really admire Joyce questioning if Fred is okay and her advocacy for Mens mental health. Seems like such a genuine and caring person. Really respect it.

Damn. I love that Joyce did not let Fred’s energy affect hers, even after what he tried to project onto her regarding her upbringing and how this led to her seeking a sugar daddy. Joyce genuinely gave Fred the opportunity to talk about his mental health and speak his TRUTH. The minute that he said he is fine, she dropped it and did not make him feel that something must be wrong. It’s a shame to see this was not returned when she tried to speak HER truth.

Also I hate to say it, and I love Fred, but Joyce didn't deserve the dismissive (and sometimes rude) energy from him :( (in the sugar daddy & daddy issues section specifically)

I hope Fred is okay though because something was just off in this episode, it was difficult to watch at times. Joyce you’re amazing! Keep it up guys 🫶🏾

This convo went so left from Fred being defensive over a point he didn’t even make. The girl was talking about her experience about something and he tried to force his interpretation of her life onto her, and got annoyed/felt dismissed when people didn’t agree with him. Very weird energy/vibes

I’m so glad Joyce asked Fred if he was okay because I legit was wondering the same thing before she asked. It’s so important that we’re attentive to energy changes in our friends. Great conversation as usual! 🥰

I could tell from 5mins in the episode that Fred was not in the mood loool

Uno Fred’s not in the mood when he goes all quiet🤣 Joyce always brings da vibes man

I must say todays episode has been very off putting. Fred’s behaviour and attitude today ain’t it. You are speaking about topics that people need to hear about. Conversations that are considered taboo in peoples lives and yet you are given a platform where you can have these important conversations and Fred is here being dismissive? Excuse me to say , do better. People confide in you guys and the topics you guys bring to the table. Fred if you like go home, because your mannerism today was just bad vibes. Sometimes sleep.

Not many people are gonna admit it but I’d rather you guys postpone the ep if one of you is feeling off. The main selling point for the pod is that you’re all good vibes and enjoying yourselves as you talk, if one of you is feeling down it’s very obvious. This could’ve been a top tier ep with a guest like Joyce but now it’s just mad uncomfortable and this isn’t the first time this has happened icl

Fred’s explanation of Joyce seeking a sugar daddy being a result of an absent male figure i.e father is reductionist. My main point being there isn’t a direct cause and effect which guarantees that a missing father figure would definitively result in looking for emotional support elsewhere. Explained perfectly by VP that even with a present father figure, things like a sugar daddy could be sought after purely based on the fact that there’s a greater need for financial support. Lastly Fred talked about if the father was present there would’ve been a greater household income. This is all hypothetical and doesn’t take into account that the father could’ve been present and still not meet Joyce’s financial needs. Hence my main point there isn’t a direct cause and effect, there are other factors that play into getting a “sugar daddy”.

Fred needs to understand his points are OPINIONS and not factual on every individual! You're literally not listening to Joyce, listening to reply and not understand then becoming frustrated because people aren't agreeing or backing you. bye

I get that Fred was trying to make a point but man can try and understand Joyce's point and not see it as an attack

I am so proud of VP! Recently he is really coming out of his shell and talking more! Keep up the great work! ❤

I think one thing I like about this podcast especially episodes like this is it’s not aiming for “perfection”. As adults you have discussions with friends and it gets intense and sometimes uncomfortable. And either you table it and re hash things at a better moment or in most real life cases you get over it and it’s all vibes which honestly is just a healthy REAL representation of how discussing and communicating is with people you respect. It cnt be Christmas everyday sometimes it’s Tuesday and I can’t be bothered but I’m here so let’s do this😂 Ppl say they want people to be them selves but only when it’s fits what makes them comfortable which honestly is not authentic. You want to see a man in touch with his emotions and when he is he is bad vibes. Anyway I don talk my own finish lol. Love you guys always sad I’m missing ANOTHER live show😢❤

48:28 The average age of menopause in the UK is 51. It typically occurs between 45 and 55 , not 35 as Fred said.

Something that could have cleared up the confusion in the '' sugar daddy issues discussion'' is the difference in causality and correlation. There is indeed a correlation between the absence of a father and a woman seeking a sugar daddy. This doesn't mean that there is a causality though. If we listen to Joyce's story, the absence of her father didn't directly cause the search for a sugar daddy. Her financial situation was a direct cause, there was a causality there. Just because there is a positive correlation between the lack of active fathers and the seeking of a sugar daddy, doesn't mean that one causes the other. I really loved this discussion guys! Keep it up guys, this podcast is growing and I'm glad to be part of the process💫

I really like how Temi and VP don't allow Fred's mood to effect the energy of the room even the girl did a great job at brushing it off cos that could've gone left. I get everyone has bad days but when your in that mood perhaps stay behind the camera or something cos it's just childish to sit there sulking 🥴

Fred’s energy was all the way offf , hold tight Joyce for holding it down 🙌🏾

it's very important for everyone in these comments to show a level of humanity when discussing other humans. people are not puppets. they are not here solely for your entertainment ❤️

I love that Madam Joyce asked Fred if he’s okay. Love her. This was a great episode as usual❤

Everyone saying "Fred's energy is off" His not here to perform tricks. His a human being and right or wrong I loved seeing this side of him.

I’m pretty sure the crisp was called “Salt & Shake”, that shit was fun😂

I think its so admirable that the other hosts & guest still made it enjoyable for viewers and produced an episode even though it was obvious something was off with Fred. We’re all human and should be allowed exception without any excuses. Professionalism 10/10 ❤

Joyce and VP 🎉🎉 the vibes were impeccable hope she comes back on the pod again

hmm that sugar daddy convo was very tense. he was very harsh and he was 100% judging her. Besides that, VP is such an angel. So nice hearing that he was raised by women, it really shows!

I love watching 90s Baby Show, but it was difficult to sit through the dynamic this episode. I think viewers would've felt more concerned rather than upset with Fred's mood if that energy wasn't misdirected towards Joyce, who's first and foremost a guest (let's keep that in mind). I think the big thing is: it's okay to have bad days, but it's *not* okay to take it out on others. Hope you all are okay 🖤

I really expected this episode to be all bants but my favourite thing about you man is being yourself and being real always. We all experience life and express differently. I think expecting you guys to be a certain way all the time is a bit entitled. Love for always showing up! Big up Joyce on this episode too massive respect for her level of vulnerability and her persistence in making her point. Happiness is really a skill looking forward to learning how to do exercise this during the year. Thanks for sharing :) ❤

Madame Joyce made a phenomenal guest! 💜

Joyce’s bounce back energy is to be admired, I do think Fred had a strong argument. The way you grow up seeing how women are respected or not respected shapes your view of what is acceptable for you. So it’s a more indirect way but it is a daddy issue. Joyce’s point was also valid, if the financial need wasn’t present she wouldn’t have even looked for that. So both are true. But Fred seemed like his social battery was died

I really enjoyed this convo, many interesting topics ! Temi & VP you man are good friends with great energy beacuse you allowed Fred to just be himself without drawing attention to anything. Fred seemed quite upset this episode man, especially when it got to the sugar daddy debate, could see he wasn't happy his points where being challenged. Hope he is alright! That being said Joyce was a great guest and her honesty & olive branch for mens mental health was actually very admirable. Her ability to navigate through the convo was top notch. Anyway much love!

Lmaoooo did Fred have a fight with a woman before this was filmed I’m so confused 😭 Joyce was amazing as always💕

Respectfully, Fred needs to stop acting like he’s a psychologist and diagnosing ppl with stuff he’s learnt from Twitter. Seeking a sugar daddy for FINANCIAL gain has nothing to do with daddy issues.

I reaaalyyy respect how Joyce handled that cause Lord knows it could’ve went all the way LEFT 🥲

Aww guys Fred wasn't that bad. I felt like he was a bit off, yea. But Madame Joyce handled it well, VP and Tems held it down and Fred came back at the end hey. Love this colab btw ❤

Joyce needs a monthly guest slot.

I understand Fred bus sometimes things aren't necessarily related to family and home issue, the issue could be within themselves and with the way they think. Some people crave attention not because they lacked it from their parents but because they don't FEEL like they did or didn't like it from them and will go ans seek it from somewhere else

Fred starting the episode on bad vibes lol

On the sugar daddy part..never rolled my eyes in my life like when fred opened his mouth 🚮

Lol I agree with you fred🤣🤣 you can tell he was angry bro went silent for like 10 minutes. Then took it out on trivia. "COOOO DOOOWWNN"

Lol, it's getting a bit tense 👀. I like this episode because it mirrors real life; it's not all jokes or being on the same page without a little confrontation. The conflict resolution on display in this episode might go unnoticed, but kudos to everybody. 👏🏾

You guys added time stamps, very much appreciated!!

Lmfaooooooo idk what’s up Fred ass but he was steaminggg about something and it seemed like he was taking it out on Joyce. Esp after the the sugar daddy convo he refused to laugh and was staring at Joyce with too much Vim and it was uncomfortable to watch. He should’ve taken a sick day lmfaoooo he really could’ve skipped this one he contributed nothing to this episode

Word Fred just gotta go sleep sometimes

LOVED THE SUGGADADDY TOPIC GUYS. Women can use their bodies for money and not have “issues”

Well-done Joyce really enjoyed you on this...Fred made me tense through out the whole thing. Mezzup! Tems and VP had to work hard to compensate.. not fair. But we all have bad days.

I just wanted to hug Joyce 😭😭😭

The Irony of talking about happiness and Fred's face is so jokes 🤣🤣🤣

Love Joyce every time, I think what VP was saying about a dads role was such a real thing. Ofcourse there’s no manual but would be nice to hear from Temi or any other father guests what they believe their role is or what it looks like

😂 the crisps were Walkers Salt n Shake

Loved this episode! and the crisps that VP mentioned that came with a salt packet inside is called 'Salt and Shake'. What a throwbackkkk

Fred seems off , reminds me of that episode I think in 2020 when he was mad at tem and one other guest lol

Loooooool when Fred said people should aim for perfectionism or it will piss him off. I hope you are okay Fred❤️😂

the worst thing about those crisps is that the salt packet was always at the bottom, so you had to dig through the crisps first just to get to the salt 😭

"all the bad b's have done care" 🤣🤣🤣 yes Joyce!

Fred’s vibe is just rude always looking at his phone won’t even crack a smile looking absent . We all have off days but just stay behind the camera for that episode . She’s come onto your podcast and this is the welcome but she is handling it well ngl Really uncomfortable to watch !

Something felt off this episode in regards to Fred. He might not be in the mood but still try and accommodate the guest. It’s ok to not agree but no need to move off. Even the trivia, I’m glad Temi pulled him up on how he was conducting his part. Hope whatever was bugging you gets solved bro. Happy new year guys 🙏🏾

joyce has a gift of wisdom, knowledge, understanding

Barrier of entry for church lolz 😭😂💀... great watch and listen as always 👊🏿

Gabzy would be a nice guest on the pod speaking of him. And Odeal!! Both R&B/AfroSwing artists. Also hope Fred is okay !! 🫶🏾

Joyce is right! Would go to church just for crisp and Capri sun when I was young🤣🤣🤣

1:07:32 love you guys and love Joyce. Would love her to come back on another podcast. Not saying we should always have high energy podcasts, feel your feelings for sure but it felt a bit off, especially with Joyce speaking about family. Obv still love you guys. Hope everyone is okay.

The truth is that in the majority of cases all these issues stem from the dysfunction within the family set up. It may not be the case with Joyce but in the majority of the cases these issues stem from the dysfunction that exists within the family.

I go to church but I still don’t mingle with anyone in church 😂after church straight to the car

I'm only 16 mins in, but I can tell this isn't the usual jolly Fred; his energy is a bit dismissive. I may be wrong tho 😅

VP has the best personality ever!

Yay Fred laughed! Lol😅 was getting a bit worried like… you ok?????

Fred coluld've sat this one out lool

Fred chooses who’s he rude and dismissive towards. He wouldn’t dare try this sassiness with Poet or Savage Dan.

So happy to see Madame Joyce on here again ✨🧡

I feel like Fred was being a bit obtuse with the abuse/church thing lol

Fred point about the daddy issues made no sense. He needs to watch himself back loool

While I hear people’s points about possibly postponing the ep because one isn’t in the mood, at the same time I disagree. They should be allowed to be their true authentic self. I’m sure if Fred didn’t wanna be there he wouldn’t have been. I appreciate the realness. We are human at the end of the day

Joyce was a good sport. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

VP talking about the walkers salt ‘n’ shake

Fred is actually right u know, daddy issues manifest is many ways but people men and women will not truly understand. Your dad can be there and still have daddy issues. I was raised by my dad no mum and I still have daddy issues as I see life in the prism of a masculine lens. My dad and uncles raised me to be a man and their life dedicated how they raised me. It was a life of work and grind cuz no one cares, life will smack you and humble u all u can do is get up and go again. Crying ain't gonna solve it. I always knew they love me as well. But now I am an adult, I am like a mum or aunt may have made me a better rounded individual.I have a lot of things I should have learned from my mum or aunt's that were not there. I was raised by my dad and uncles. I can be emotionally distant or very rational and logical to my detriment. So many things I am learning now that I am married for two yrs that I realise I have both mummy issues and daddy issues.....a balance of both is needed, u need both perspectives to view the world in a balanced way. Thank God for therapy lol

Joyce might as well have just glued her hand to that helmet 😂😂

Love how she glossed up before getting to the point tryna pretty it up 👀👀🥲 LOL the mandem know da angles 😂😂😂😂

New here and have binged watched these pods but this one...woah the eristic traits really shone through and not in a positive way. Fred was having a disputatious person's day here and my lil heart couldn't take it. The bounce back is inevitable and I'm sure it's all love. Personally it always sucks seeing someone have an off day and yes I'm very aware that it isn't always sunshine and rainbows but always awful. Hope he's well thou love from South Africa 🇿🇦 ❤️ Don't come for me it was an "astute observation"...(it probably isnt) I'm just a highly sensitive person, deduced to tears whilst typing this 😅

Anyways, regarding the sugar daddy issue it stems from lack of generational wealth within the black household. Both parents may work, but it doesn’t mean parents always have enough disposable income to give to there children whenever they need it. Simply, Joyce wanted to live the high-life and knew the lifestyle required wealth, the END.

Fred so dismissive ew man

Not finished the episode but Fred vibes was off this episode hard to watch to the end :(

NA, Fred was on violence. He stopped her athletic heydays to talk about her current running style 😂

Why is this my first time seeing Adidas clogs 💀 though they was superstars but the back looked weird

I came here to watch Miss Madam Joyce and yeah Fred was off from the get go and then was upset coz everyone isn’t listening to him but he wasn’t respecting and listening to others.

Salt and shake crisps!!!! I remember being told not to use too much salt and I had to leave the sachet in my lunchbox for inspection when I got home 😂😂😂

this episode had so much potential….but just wasn’t it today

« You faces your enemies and you won »😂😂

I hear where Fred is coming from with the sugar daddy thing but he should allow Joyce to live her truth cos he doesn’t know the whole situation with her relationship with her father. He’s making assumptions

Let’s look out for Fred please! Episode was great by the way 👏🏽

What is happiness? What are the characteristics of being happy? I think happiness is a manifestation of certain characteristics such as gratefulness, calmness, celebration of small and large victories. Happiness is a feeling that manifests out of cultivating actionable positive responses to our circumstances.

Hey guys really loving the pod. I’m one of your younger viewers and I grew up in a single parent household now the conversation that you guys had in this episode was a really nice and refreshing to hear.However I feel like some of the things that Fred said were dismissive and frankly quite offensive and I know he wouldn’t intend that. But as a younger viewer (im a 14 year old girl btw) I felt that Fred was sort of saying that if I was to go into a more sexualised industry it would be due to the absence of my father in my life however my relationship with my father does not define me as a person it was sort of asif he was saying that I can’t be a sugar baby just because I want to be a sugar baby my dad has to come into it somehow. I don’t really feel like that is true especially in Madame Joyce’s case I feel like she was a product of her environment she just wanted to make money and she saw that’s how other girls were doing it I don’t fully see how her dad comes into that. If she came and said that she wanted a male figure to come and support her because she felt a lack of attention then I could see where the father figure may come into it but not in this example all love no hate but my question is for Fred is: is he saying that I can’t be a sugar baby just because I want to be without no ties to my relationship with my father? Because personally I feel that if we are seeing it online and that’s how the girls are making money of course others are going to want to join it’s not always a lack of a father figure and for Fred to generalise all girls who are products of a single parent household was just a little mad to me but yeah all love no hate

I like that you guys are having this conversation about issues. Here is the thing, there are multiple layers to the issues that we face in life. Due to the structure of our own respective families, cultures, nationalities, citizenship, those issues manifest in different ways. Our family is our primary agent of socialization, for some this may be blood and for others this may be who we end up around in our critical and impressionable period of life (say 0-18 years old). You can attribute the decisions you make to more surface level things like the need to make money and that can be true, however, it may also be true that the way you choose to then make money is attributed to deeper rooted factors. Say, you live with your mom in a single parent setting (I can identify) and your dad was not present as much in my upbringing. I identify because of divorce etc. My issues are not necessarily money issues but male female relationships - being comfortable getting close to men, at least I'll say that. This stems, I think, from a "daddy issue" of seeing my mom hurt, not having the presence of seeing how men should treat women in romantic relationships etc. Now back to the lack of money thing....how we then choose to find financial freedom is telling. Getting a sugar daddy seems to be the only way (maybe it is in your circumstance) why? This could be a daddy issue. Had we had financial issues with a present loving dad...why seek out an older man to pay for our life? Because we see older men (that happen to be like the standard of a dad) as that measure and marker. Why not go become a stripper? Maybe our values aren't aligned that way because we think it would be embarrassing to our parents or they could find out. These issues are layered...and I think we should have space for discourse surrounding them. I say this to say, Joyce is right about her experience. Yet, as you dig deeper to find the root cause of how we justify the decisions that we make instead of another...we see that our upbringing and what we have been taught to value plays a huge part...and sometimes, it may be issues with our dads moms what have you.

Madame Joyce what a Queen!

nah temi what kind of question is that about what does yellow and green make? atleast do primary colours 😂

Joyce is a gem!!