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Id like to see a 4xe battery fire on the trails

Exactly

So the 4xe still burns through battery going downhill on trails? Otherwise I wouldn't want to have a fully-charged battery at the top.

Still have the 4xe? Been reliable?

TV SUCKS

Battery tech has been worked on for over 100 years; it's not going anywhere, except to more battery fires and explosions. Check out what just happened in Australia with one of those super-battery stations. THAT is the future of EV batteries.

@@rayrussell6258 Correction: "Lead-Acid" battery tech has been worked on for over 100 years. Lithium batteries were first released to the public around 1991, and were very different than the lithium batteries we have now in EVs. Battery technology and safety has improved dramatically in the past 10 years alone. When's the last time you saw somebody's cell phone burst into flames? The fire in Australia was comparable in size and scale to a house fire, had no fatalities or injuries, and was extinguished within a reasonably quick time frame. Over 7% of cars on the road today are electric or hybrid, and I personally haven't seen a single one catch on fire. Statistically, they're no more likely to catch on fire than any other vehicle. On the other hand, fires and spills resulting from the extraction, transportation and storage and use of petroleum have had a massive fatality and environmental impact. I don't even need to get into the statistics on that one.

@@supersnot4 in spite of the change in material, batteries are still not up to much more than 20-25 miles range, honest range usually far less than stated range. I don't dispute lead batteries are worse, but lithium is still unsatisfactory (and yes they do still catch fire), not really much progress made in vehicle range, and the US public doesn't realize it yet because they are too self-centered to make that connection until a bunch more of them waste their money on eV's and start talking about it. Word-of-mouth will end this fad. Dedicated electrics have better range, but replacement cost of batteries is going to kill secondary market for the vehicles, and original owners will be stuck with them. These big heavy batteries also compromise passenger and cargo capacity, something else that consumers will complain about and start rejecting. The fire in Australia took 7 fire companies 2 days to bring it under control, I think I read. I don't call that "reasonably quick"! And nobody was "in the house" at the time the fire started. The super-batteries were outside in a nest in open air. And the fire-fighters were unable to stop the first battery on fire from travelling to another adjacent super-battery and it caught on fire also. Good thing it didn't happen in someone's house! Maybe in YOUR house or your neighbor's, with your kids and wife asleep while they/you let their/your car recharge in the garage at night. I dispute your 7% on-road figure, Tesla hasn't sold that many cars. We have many tens of millions of vehicles on the road serving our US population of 335 million people, Tesla and other hybrids are a mere blip on that screen. Hybrids sold by other brands are languishing on new/used car lots and in auction houses, no one wants them. New car and truck sales this year are being skewed by the chip shortage, so wherever you get 7% is likely not steady state. Gasoline vehicle production has been bottle-necked, which would quickly reduce any comparison of eV's to gasoline if production went back to normal quicker. Tesla has no capacity to raise sales. But there have been massive reports of fires to NHTSA already (whether you or I have seen them matters not, it is happening, getting reported, and lawyers are beginning to do class action lawsuits against companies) and fire departments all around the US are adopting "let it burn itself out" as the procedure for an Ev fire. It is too dangerous for fire personnel to get close to the burning vehicle, which often explodes as a secondary result of the fire. You are not informed sufficiently about eV's on the road. Fires due to gasoline are generally the result of stupid human actions. With an eV, the fire can and does happen when doing legitimate things like re-charging. BIG difference. We haven't had a Tesla battery plant explode yet, to add to wide scale injury/death statistics on that side of the ledger, but it will happen there or somewhere else. It's just a matter of time. When it happens, it will be like a fireworks factory exploding. However the main issue with eV's is they are inconvenient in real-world use. That hasn't changed but a smidgen in over a 100 years.

@John Dillermand lol, so says CNN and those light in the loafers and brains types who promote eV's --- who look at tiny starting point/base range numbers and try then to use percentage change instead of real numbers to promote range improvement; in reality they've gone from maybe 22 up to 25 miles range in that time frame; in absolute numbers (3) that's basically NO CHANGE in my book! full electrics do better but the ridiculously high cost of the battery to do that is not sustainable in this market beyond the well-healed first line of elitist buyers; this is already evident in the number of unsold new and used hybrids sitting on dealer car lots and in the big regional auction clearing house locations in the US; used buyers are especially resisting hybrids and will resist full electrics even more; they are all too expensive to maintain and very inconvenient in real life. YOU might be impressed by 3 miles more range in 20 years, but real honest normal working people look down at all that flim-flam. They are perfectly happy with gasoline engine cars with 400 - 500 mile range. In comparison, batteries with 25 mile range is a joke.

But they're not ready to hear that yet

I was waiting for a comment like this one ! XD

C'est une voiture u incroyable... J'ai d'ailleurs moi aussi fait un essai avec cette voiture !

Tell me more about it on 37’s. What’s your normal highway mileage like?

@@elusda 20-24 highway (I don’t do a ton of highway driving) but more importantly 20 in the city.

You won’t regret it. I can’t go back to gas.

Stopped by to ask the same thing. People want to know. 😊👍🏼

As a 4XE owner, the regen brakes are a killer feature for long decent both off-road and down mountain grade, they offer far better control than mechanical brakes. The most I have gained back on charge is 10% and 20 miles. The 15% of the battery is reserved for hybrid operations, the 4XE does not report the charge in reserve.

@@jzconcepts Do you have hybrid mode economy figures?

I went down from lookout mountain in Chattanooga and never hit the brake or accelerator. Just using Max Regen I had almost 35% battery after a 15 minute descent. Free charging.

"Most people..." I always love how people think their assumptions = "most people." My commute, on some days, was 102 miles one way for a specific client. To my office was 18 miles one way. Deer hunting in the western U.S. states, you're going to drive more than three miles off-road, and you're still going to hike to find mule deer.

You got me in the first half.

LMAO

Yeah, i'm glad my f150's 2.7 is very quiet, but if i could shut it off that would be awesome. Still have tire noise to scare wildlife away, but every bit helps!

im not worried if a cybertruck can get up a 5 mile trail. even at 80% range reduction that leaves 60 miles of range. this trail was 5 miles. and one question i have is if they could do some of it in 2h or 4h to have a better gear ratio and get better range.

@Frugal Family Living thanks for math break down, Nerd! Do you feel better now that we all know that the arbitrary number I put in my comment is not possible.🤓

Rivian

you have too much money if you still want one of these, after watching this video "fail". just buy the gas only, might as well since that's all you'll really use anyway.

Just imagine maintaining all this electric nonsense after 5 or more years...🤑🤑🤑

@@dmitryxxx26 maybe $10K just to replace a battery on a full electric

Non of what the other comments is true in my case. I have a plug in hybrid vehicle, it’s 6 years old, over 100k miles and it runs just like it did when i got it. It’s a fusion Energi, not lacking in power at all, I pretty much use the EV as a boost and don’t drive it economically. I’m making 48mpg. Plug in hybrids are great, you get the best of both worlds. Definitely look into it. This keep looks cool!

@@Cecil_33 to be clear about this, you drive it as if it is a gas engine vehicle, limiting your use in electric mode. Personally I would not pay for 2 powertrains (and maintain both when they get aged, a period like you are now entering). Let us know what your repair costs are in a year or two. You might be changing your tune by then. Glad it is a Ford, you made the best choice there ..... Jeep hybrid system is Fiat-based originally, and most of us know what Fiat quality is like.

According to Google, it's a 3,090' gain in elevation.

@@d.shanerose1729 Yeah but we don't know how much of it they did on battery.

@@13x they did 3.4 miles all electric. Granted, the big steep climb was done with the gas engine. The trail, though, is only about 6 miles total.

Also would like to see how much gas is used up the same trail in a comparable gas only Wrangler, see how much equivalent energy is used. Just for kicks

I'm guessing the regen ability is a lot more efficient at paved road speeds. Not saying you wouldn't get some regen, but crawling down at low speed is not going to generate a lot of power. These generators are focused towards gleaning a bit off of higher RPM. They aren't going to be too efficient at grabbing low RPM power from crawling down a steep grade dead slow. At least, this is my guess. And it's a good question, but I think the engineers will have designed the generators to be most efficient at higher speeds, talking a bit out of each revolution, rather than the problematic task of taking a lot out of each revolution, which would create other problems and complications. Databyter

Regen in my 4xe Rubi is good down hill.

@@jzconcepts Of course. But offroad at a few mph stop and go, probably not so much.

@@Databyter A direct drive EV sure. But it appears they were crawling up in first and second gear. A gear reduction unheard of in many EVs.

@@wzDH106 Either way my point is still true. The electric generation is likely not too efficient under offroading conditions, even downhill. It is optimized for road conditions and higher speeds. It may not even kick in at crawling speeds, regardless of transmission or direct drive. Databyter

I wouldn't use the battery for off-road, personally. Use it for my commute and road driving. But I also use my 4x4 for off-road. But yeah, you nailed it.

Will be interesting to know the regen capacity and "engine" braking. Great video guys, waiting the Lightning (the Ford, not a thunderstorm on your heads up there 🤣🤣🤣). Greetings

@@Adam_Rosenberg91 You cannot recharge eV's safely at home overnight due to very likely/probable fire risk, multiple brands are now having the same issue and soon will be defending themselves in court; I recommend you do NOT think you can rely on home-charging while you sleep. where I live all commutes are over 20 miles one-way; these eV's are being targeted at city slickers but in reality they will keep you penned up in your city if you buy one. If my daily use was sub- 10 miles, I'd just ride a bicycle and save the $40K.

@@rayrussell6258 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!! OMG just stop with this embarrassing shit

@@rayrussell6258 Put down the bong and step away from it. Charge outside away from the house, or in a detached garage, if you're scared of charging fires. Charging infrastructure is growing. This is also a hybrid, with combustion-engine capability. It's not strictly an EV, like a Tesla is.

thos are useless

I'm sure that will buff out.

Kent I agree, I believe a lot of the trial could have been done in 2WD or 4H with no diff locks . Using 4WD when needed would have provided for a better test

Or an opportunity for another test

I don't know about the 4xe, but I own a 2012 Volt. Aged pretty well, still get 25 or so mile of range (new is 35). I drive about 20 minutes each way to town, can't remember when I last bought gas. Even when I did, it was only about 2 gallons! Love it!

Doubt it pal. They have tested other electric vehicles off-road and while towing and it’s the same thing. Battery range drops to 20% or less

It would remove a couple of % of efficiency, for sure. Driving a traditional gearbox and transfer case is a very inefficient EV architecture, every mating gear subtracts efficiency.

Originally I was planning on getting a diesel for the slightly higher towing capacity, torque rating, and tank range. Then the 4xe was announce and after comparing the torque ratings and tank/battery range, and cost between the two I decided I could live without the increased towing as while I would run it on the trails it would also be my daily and being able to go to work and come home on all electric that made more sense to me in the end. My main complaint about it is that not all the colors for the regular Wranglers are available for the 4xe.

The diesel isn't a bad choice but with high maintenance costs, it offsets any savings. The torque would be much better than the V6. The power from the turbo 4 and the electric motor when you punch it is so much fun. The 4xe is only slower than the 392.