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I Was wrong about this... Let's clarify! | Terramaster D5 Thunderbolt DAS
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Күн бұрынTerramaster Thunderbolt DAS D5 and WHY and HOW I was wrong about it!
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0:00 Time to talk
0:30 Sponsored Segment
0:52 So What happened?
2:21 Testing Setup
2:57 Is it plug and play?
3:35 2x TB4 ports miscommunication
5:34 Speed tests RAID 0, 1, 5, 6
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@Iamjimpage Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that you are willing to correct and clarify your findings. Gives you a lot of credibility in my eyes.
@barryobrien1890 Жыл бұрын
It's just a very fast and large external drive. It has a raid in case you have a bad drive. Put 5 20Tb drives in it and you can backup 80tb raid 5 on backblaze for 7 bucks a month. Nothing comes close to this
@chloeleedow7250 9 ай бұрын
Which is basically exactly what I'd be doing lol. Damn backbkaize is cheap btw 😍
@mcal27 Жыл бұрын
I supply quite a few of them to my audio production clients. With ssd they need quick access times and lots of capacity. The advantage of having Thunderbolt means that you can have more devices chained together and still have enough bandwidth for all of them. Usb won’t work for this anywhere near as well
@JeremyLawrence-imajez Жыл бұрын
A DAS by definition can only be accessed by one device. If it did more devices simultaneously then surely it would be a NAS. Kudos for doing a correction video though.
@Enthusiast_Impressions Жыл бұрын
As a small creator I would use it as a local backup that is not network connected. Allowing for a quick backup and disconnect air gapped system. Only to be used with no internet connection to prevent malware from affecting the backup.
@dyong888 Жыл бұрын
You can use a NAS and replicate to another box. Better yet do hourly and daily snapshots that don't take up space like time machine on mac. Based on FreeBSD it is rock solid security wise. Stop using proprietory DAS devices. They are like cheap snake oil.
@cvdavis Жыл бұрын
I would agree.
@frank5.3 Жыл бұрын
Being thorough about this boosts your credibility to me. Thanks for this vid, helping your audience spend their hard-earned money wisely.
@dyong888 Жыл бұрын
The trouble with such system as you've pointed out is that it is basically a one user setup. And there are other more serious issues. Two, there is no way to efficiently and effectively backup the system. Imagine using windows file copy using your laptop as an itermediary. How many days do you want to tie up your laptop and DAS? Three, as mentioned in my prior posts, this thing uses proprietory hardware if things fail you stand to loose everything. I'm not sure what sort of data recovery function there is on the hardware and software. Finally, as mentioned prior, just use a NAS like TrueNAS. 1. You get replication functions to back up your data 2. You can do daily or hourly snapshots that don't take up much space which you can roll back in a few keystrokes 3. If you have multiple NICs or a switch, multiple users can connect at the same time 4. If you use fast enough interfaces and storage and networking equipment you can get multi gigabit speeds for multiple users at the same time. 5. Its all OTS hardware. Build a 2nd box and have it replicate over automatically. Set and forget. The 2nd box can even be offsite. Stop using such gimmickie DAS devices. They are a trap when something goes wrong. Just use a NAS. All benefits and no down sides. Enough said.
@barryobrien1890 Жыл бұрын
I think you miss the purpose of these das devices. With 5 mechanical drives you get to use raid to protect against single drive failure and thunderbolt will max out the drive speed. They are stuply easy to use. Sure a Nas is better, for multiusers but it too suffers from proprietary drive formats, and also slower transfer speeds unless you shell out a lot for a high end network. For the creator who works alone with large files, these das devices offer inexpensive fast storage. Obviously you need a good backup also. One advantage is backblaze allows backup for $7 per month, while Nas online backups are a lot more. In conjunction with a Nas it's pretty powerful for both nw and local storage for video files. I agree a Nas is better in most cases if you can set one up
@dyong888 Жыл бұрын
@@barryobrien1890 You sound like a salesman / rep LOL. Also you forgot that NAS can do RAID too. Also "proprietary drive formats"? LOL Are you kidding? Sound like DAS makers or cloud providers have their reps here trying to sway the conversation. Which company do you work for?
@barryobrien1890 Жыл бұрын
@@dyong888 i am retired. I use a terramaster das to backup my Nas drives to backblaze. Kindly tell me how to backup 50tb to the cloud for $7 per month as you seem to be very expert in this area
@stopostoivise Жыл бұрын
In my opinion no need for NAS if you are a single user. You get twice cheaper and twice faster solution with DAS. Software options for backup and recovery are nice things but it doesnt justify the price in my opinion, if you dont have multiple users. With DAS you have all the Raid capabilities as with Nas, and you got to backup files anyway you put it...
@barryobrien1890 Жыл бұрын
@@stopostoivise Nas devices have their place running appa like Plex, backup services, remote personal cloud services, security and ups server. If you do not use any of this I agree a das is simpler and just as reliable
@andr101 Жыл бұрын
Why Raid-0 has such slow speed? My understanding was that raid 0 was much faster than the other raid types. Thanks for the informative video, cheers
@UtubeMyAccountName Жыл бұрын
You are correct, RAID ) should be faster than everything else Then RAID 5 should be next. He may have run JBOD by mistake.
@kovafilms Жыл бұрын
I use one of these Terremaster DAS as a local network JBOD. I have the usb 3.1 version like you were I'm talking about and I have it plugged into (via usb) my router with a password. So between my laptop or desktop I can access all the harddrives. It works perfect in that way!
@theTechNotice Жыл бұрын
That's a great idea!
@adhamsafihi 9 ай бұрын
So it become NAS but just local area network? Are the drives stable enough by just using Usb to router? Not underpower?
@kovafilms 9 ай бұрын
@adhamsafihi You can access it anywhere! It's just a simple IP and password. Harddrives are powered by the DAS. You're basically turning a simple DAS into a NAS by plugging into your router. Mine is JBOD, but you can do RAID if you want. As long as your home has power and the DAS is turned on, it works.
@kovafilms 9 ай бұрын
I also use Smugmug in conjunction with backing up to my network DAS. Smugmug is soooooo underrated! UNLIMITED storage and gallery viewing and downloading for clients. 75$ a year
@adhamsafihi 9 ай бұрын
@@kovafilms Thank you for replying. If you are using your DAS as a NAS, what makes you stop from having a proper NAS? It's because of the price? I'm just curious.
@nomnommonsterr 8 ай бұрын
Isnt it possible to use it as a massive storage and have a basic mini PC as your NAS conteoller? That way you can load up other stuff on the mini PC as well. Like plex, Opnsense, frigate etc..
@mdhazeldine Жыл бұрын
I have the USB 3.1 Gen 2 version of this. I was similarly disappointed with the transfer speeds, as they're nowhere near the theoretical max speeds of USB 3.1 Gen 2. In the end, I've put it in JBOD config and it houses all my local backup drives. It's a nice neat way to house a lot of drives that are easy to access and swap out, rather than taking up space in my PC case. I don't need a NAS for this use case.
@Kellysnorthshore Жыл бұрын
I am looking at this to replace my Drobo 5D since it looks like Drobo is out of business. I have been a professional photographer for almost 20 years. The specific reason I would need a DAS is when using Lightroom. Lightroom catalogs are not accessible over a network. So I need a DAS. Currently I have a Drobo with all of my current work and archived work on it. Then I use Freefile Sync to back up the DAS to 2 different Synology 1815+ NAS units. Great video. Very helpful.
@aaronlee6821 Жыл бұрын
When I saw your previous video about this I was quite interested. Being my use case is similar to yours, needing two people to access the same storage device simultaneously, this won't do what I need. I'm now leaning towards building a DIY NAS, using probably free TrueNAS software, where I can totally customize my hardware/software to be exactly what I want/need. My plan is to use 40Gbe NICs and a powerful enough CPU in the DIY NAS which can use that bandwidth, hopefully only limited by the speed of the HDD/SSD drives in the NAS. I realize that it'll take a lot more effort on my part, but I think in the end it'll be well worth it to not be bound by restrictions in using an off-the-shelf NAS. I was originally intrigued by Thunderbolt connectivity, but the more I read about it, the more I think perhaps it's time to abandon trying to hold onto Thunderbolt, even though I've already invested quite a bit into Thunderbolt devices, and go with something more universal, i.e., Ethernet, for connecting to storage devices. Plus using a DIY NAS, I can upgrade it in the future to 100Gbe NICs once those come down in price to a more reasonable level. With the newest gen 5 NVMe drives being able to handle roughly 10 GB/s (80 Gb/s) sequential reads/writes, it seems to me that the network interface can easily become the bottleneck if using such high speed drives in a NAS and transferring huge video or other types of files. Well, I have a lot to learn still about this before I commit to my next move. Just the more I study about off-the-shelf hardware, the more I'm convinced that it's throwing money down a pit by investing in something that's always going to be restricted in areas I don't want to be restricted in, or else needing to spend crazy money to get a system designed for enterprise use and enterprise budgets.
@dyong888 Жыл бұрын
I've been using FreeNAS / TrueNAS for almost a decade for my photos. Been awesome. See my post above for the pros. No cons really. TB is basically a one connection thingy for offloading say photos or video. TB4 makes the bandwidth sharable like a hub. Nothing more. A properly speced NAS with enough bandwidth is the best solution for multi users. I'm a single user and still use Truenas as I can access my assets throughout the network with multiple failsafes like replication and snapshots.
@JoePlomo Жыл бұрын
Wait, RAID 0 is slower? What am I missing?
@DavidBakhash Ай бұрын
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@barndweller4573 5 ай бұрын
I have a Deal like this, not a NAS. I can access it from any computer on our network by sharing it on one of the computers and accessing the storage by connecting to it from another computer. In mine I have old school Hard Drives (4 6 TB) and I just it mostly for backing up my computers. I have a NAS also and I back up the NAS to it as well.
@Linteria Жыл бұрын
Honestly man, looks like you were expecting NAS features out of a DAS. I don't see how there was a miscommunication, that's how Thunderbolt works: daisy-chaining.
@SirTE0 Жыл бұрын
699$ for a simple external HDD enclosure is just absurd! This is a 200$ product max.
@BenGKaiser Жыл бұрын
Bro! Did you get a Pro Art StudioBook 16 OLED?
@curiosity2314 4 ай бұрын
I imagine reading the PDF manual before you purchase should give you all the information you need. I prefer that method over talking to someone over the phone. You'll rarely find an expert on the phone but rather a person with a lookup to your question.
@PianoManPaul Жыл бұрын
I'm quite interested in Terra Master products these days, as per YT's recommendation of your video... well done by the way, and I see you were in a remotely similar predicament that I was. Last summer I spent over $2500 CDN on a few WB Red Plus 8 TB HDD's, and filled up a brand new QNAP TS-673A in a RAID-5, but my speeds were horrendous as I didn't have even 2.5 ethernet connectivity yet... BUT what SOLD me on that was, the 2 USB 3.2 Gen2 ports that I could 'trunk' together, and get a 20gb/s transfer right there! Right?? lol ... wrong... My issue was the same as yours dude - very little information, not even truly knowing what was better for me at the time (NAS or DAS) ... and a whole lot of wasted time. But, my large PLEX is filling it out very nicely, and a lot of sample library backups I don't use a lot, but like to have around, so at least its not money wasted. THIS summer it is indeed my first -DAS- investment, and after some research, the Terra Master D8-332 is at the forefront. (It was the OWC Thunderbay 8, but... the limitation on that guy is - only 'software RAID, and.. no expandable RAID. You need all your HD's at once, format the array, and that's it - you're apparently 'stuck' at that size forever. Apparently because of it's hardware-based RAID, Terra Master doesn't have that ultimatum factor. Which is indeed, a win for TM. I've still got some more research to do, I've also been looking at options by Promise, G-Tech (WD), and a couple others who aim to present more Thunderbolt 3/4 opportunities. Decisions, decisions... I'll support you with a sub for your efforts, I'm looking forward to seeing some of your other insights too. So... best of luck, and please wish this 'DAS-noob" the same! 😁
@dtrelzmusic Жыл бұрын
This is not true, perhaps it was in the past but 7.5 softRaid just got here and from what I read you can use different size drives and other non limitation type offerings. 6-4-23
@leicaman 5 ай бұрын
You can access from multiple computers by sharing the drive over the network.
@EfeArda1991 11 ай бұрын
If only they added an NVMe slot for caching... They could have split up the 10Gbps connection to 5x2Gbps for 5 HDDS, and the remaining 30Gbps could have been used for an NVMe Gen 3 cache drive. This would fully saturate the thunderbolt and provide great performance.
@DCuerpoJr 10 ай бұрын
You can't use a Direct-Attach Storage (DAS) with multiple computers at the same time. It's only for one computer at a time. I'd use two of them to create a direct backup of my NAS. Then store it one offsite and rotate weekly.
@FirstPhilWhisky 3 ай бұрын
Can you use TRAID with this?
@chrisk6474 Жыл бұрын
Multiple user direct attached storage that isn’t a NAS is very expensive. From the cards to the licenses etc. If you stick with a NAS and use a 10gb interface, which is expensive. You can achieve the sharing of assets between two computers with limited latency. Otherwise. It’s single use arrays for each individual.
@barryobrien1890 Жыл бұрын
They have their place as large local fast storage with raid redundancy. For a single creator that needs a large local store for video files, you can get 80gb fairly inexpensive, with backblaze online storage for $7 per month which is pretty cheap. Obviously if you need network access it's no use. I use a das with a blueiris security pc which is always on line. It backs up to backblaze and the pc duplicates the local drives of a number of pc and Nas drives. Thus i get local and online backup of multiple pc and Nas drives for $7 without the need for an expensive online plan that charges by gb.
@taldenucci 9 ай бұрын
Hey thank you very much for this video. One question: Could I, after configuring it for the first time, use a Blackmagic Cloud Pod to transform this effectively into a NAS? Thank you for the time taken.
@Lexington101 3 ай бұрын
I'm a solo filmmaker and I just need a place to archive footage. I'm thinking of picking one of these up for that, nothing more.
@SantoshKumar-tm3mp Жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a question: What LUTs are you using for this video for colour grading?, Thank you.
@theTechNotice Жыл бұрын
Using my own colour grade :)
@SantoshKumar-tm3mp Жыл бұрын
@@theTechNotice Thanks for the reply, if possible please make a tutorial video to help others. thank you ;-)
@Matthew_Sherwood Жыл бұрын
You could use the thunderbolt that tether two of them together to expand your storage. Right?
@19thewall19 Жыл бұрын
Bought the d5 and 5 HDD IronWolf Pro 16tb 30 days ago after watching your video. Everything arrived today and first test was 568.0 mb/s write and 802.7 mb/s read. Remembering that your speeds were faster I came here to check but your video was delisted. Not sure if it's good but I'm happy with it. I am using it on a m1 ultra mac studio without sharing so not worried about the other "problems". For faster speeds I bought a sonnettech echo dual nvme thunderbolt and getting 2500 mb/s with 2 samsung 980 pro 2tb
@chinmayn73 3 ай бұрын
What raid did you run?
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@lukas_ls Жыл бұрын
The shortcommings of such a system (DAS) are pretty much the main raeson why they were replaced by NAS systems in most applications. They're simply like a USB Stick that can only be accessed by a single user. NAS systems aren't that much more expensive anymore. Maybe you could try to build a DIY NAS with 10Gb or even 40Gb NICs (directly attatched to the systems). You could try a SMB and NFS share (maybe you could even get RDMA working) or go with iSCSI.
@alpenfoxvideo7255 Жыл бұрын
how many disks should a NAS have to be as fast as a 10Gb Nic?
@lukas_ls Жыл бұрын
@@alpenfoxvideo7255 Depends on the drive/disks you're planning on using. The file system and RAID level are important too.
@finestPlugins Жыл бұрын
@@lukas_ls And then there's also the option of using SSDs as cache drives.
@lukas_ls Жыл бұрын
@@finestPlugins that's a bad idea in most cases
@finestPlugins Жыл бұрын
@@lukas_ls Why and in which cases? I'm running a Raid 1 SSD cache on ZFS.
@Rob_eight10media Жыл бұрын
I am a single operator editor and I have a QNAP TR-004 RAID 5 (with 32 TB) that I use as an auto backup for my internal SSD RAID on Windows 10 ..(auto backup my projects every 10 minutes with FreeFileSync and task scheduler) ...works ok for my needs
@iliaskapatos Жыл бұрын
Is there any other fast storage device what can be accessed simultaneously from two PC's by USB-C or thunderbolt (not through ethernet), with a speed of over 1000MB/s?
@JayzBeerz Жыл бұрын
Proart laptop? is it good?
@d3liland Жыл бұрын
I want to buy an compact storage box for 4-8 2,5” ssd/hdd’s, without possibility to put 3,5” in it. Can You recommend some?
@jasonporthouse5042 Жыл бұрын
Kudos to you for the correction, but your original assumption was a basic research fail. No Thunderbolt drives allow multi user attachment, only daisychaining - that is why it is marketed as a DAS as opposed to NAS. There is no mis-marketing, only misunderstanding. As a pro video editor i would use this for it's speed and capacity but more importantly for it's RAID5 redundancy - very necessary when you're dealing with many terabytes of footage. You can also use NAS drives to do the same providing you've a decent 10GigE connection - then you can have a multi user environment (with a few other considerations in place for true media sharing) but as a single user device this is probably the lowest cost hardware RAID solution out there.
@Jason_Bover9000 Жыл бұрын
Nice video man
@darkphotographer Жыл бұрын
so that divice is made for i mac or mac book/laptop with thunderbolt , that don t have sata or Ethernet
@10hitscombo Жыл бұрын
What happen if you connect this device to Router usb? Will it become Nas?
@OOTheBlueAir 9 ай бұрын
did you try on a MAC?
@PyromancerRift Ай бұрын
Dude, rated speed are not split between data, video etc if there is no video. The cable transfer 1 and 0 through it, it can be anything. What matter is the hardware on both sides. If the DAS is trash, it wont be able to transfer at full speed. But if it was equiped with banger hardware, it could transfer 40gbps. Terramaster should be ashamed to advertise for the connector's bandwith. It do not matter as long as it is higher than the shitty hardware they put in their equipment. When i buy a thunderbolt equipment, i expect thunderbolt speed. Especially at the asked price.
@kernzilla Ай бұрын
doesn't make any sense this is slower on raid0 than any other config. something about this array i just wouldn't trust. def be sticking with g-speeds or promise.
@livingron9983 3 ай бұрын
😂
@supriyo3610 Жыл бұрын
@deepend9376 Жыл бұрын
Strange as I am getting similar speed with a 2TB NVMe Gen 3 drive in a £25 10GB USB-C housing !!!
@mcal27 Жыл бұрын
This uses Sata ssd’s which are way slower than nvme. But you can’t as yet get nvme in the same capacities as sata (when it comes to sata spinning drives anyway) hence the use of sata here
@deepend9376 Жыл бұрын
Yes I understand that but they were using SSD SATA drives to get the speeds so similar limitations on size. We have recently gone from a RAID 5 NAS for backing up all the family PC’s. We have had two NAS die before any of the PC’s they were supposed to be protecting. It was much cheaper to add a 2T NVMe external drive to each PC rather than replace the 4Bay NAS that took all the spinning disk drives with it. Backups are now massively faster and power consumption much lower. As a method of “sharing” files between 2 users using external NVMe is valid but I accept that for 4 plus users a Raid NAS probably makes more sense but upgrading the whole network to 10Gb to match speeds has other cost implications.
@mcal27 Жыл бұрын
@@deepend9376 ssd sata is way way slower than nvme ssd. And network access does not work for everything. Audio production won’t work that way due to latency if accessing the required files. My clients stream multi gigabyte sound libraries as well as playing back multiple streams of 96k audio. You can’t do that via Ethernet direct connection is the only way. It’s a very different field than file sharing
@access-fn7664 Жыл бұрын
First again!
@lighthawk95 Жыл бұрын
Just connect it to your router.
@mcal27 Жыл бұрын
You have a router that can share Thunderbolt devices across a network!? ;)
@lighthawk95 Жыл бұрын
@@mcal27 Yes, most modern TP-Links. USB to TB adapters work fine and can deliver al lthe speed this device can.
@mcal27 Жыл бұрын
@@lighthawk95 sorry you have no idea what you are talking about…. Thunderbolt. It’s not usb (even though it’s part of the usb4 spec) you cannot connect a Thunderbolt device to ANY router
@lighthawk95 Жыл бұрын
@@mcal27 Perhaps I have a slightly different model, but I assumed it would handle it the same for any Terramaster device.
@mcal27 Жыл бұрын
@@lighthawk95 terra master do usb and Thunderbolt models. Thunderbolt while included in usb4 spec is a very different protocol and cannot be shared or accessed by anything that doesn’t have either usb4 or Thunderbolt I/O. I’ve only ever seen at best USB3 on a router
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Hi, Can you test the NUCXi7 from MinisForum? This mini PC seems really good and it would be nice to get your take on this machine.
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