I started a KZfaq Show made with Rokoko: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pLx7a9Cq1NbeaWw.html

The whole time I was distracted by the fact that the lil' guy's sunglasses were sitting on his forehead instead of his nose.

"Being in a mocap suit is the best thing that has ever happened to me." Well... I am sorry my friend.

This is the coolest and most informative product review ever! Thank you for sharing.

Oh my god! So FUNNY. Thank you for giving us these details about Rokoko! You saved my life!

Man, as we say the pleasure is in the journey and not necessarily the destination ! For me, you are a star. Helped me so much in my research through your detailed show

BUT....you decided to keep it, even when you knew about their 30 day warranty. And you claim it is 'awesome.' So thanks for your review. But wow...click bait title beware.

thank you for this Moon!!

Thanks so much for this! Just got my suit up and running yesterday and have been thoroughly disappointed. And perplexed because I did a crap ton of research on this. Built a custom rig. Tested with their sample mocap files and have had zero usable recordings so far. Much help and appreciated.

The pipeline: Daz + Metapipe + Maya 2023 + Metahuman + Unreal engine UE5.4 wll cost only 180$. About mocap, i think that video to mocap looks finally now the less expensive and the best approach for simple animations. Rocooco (2 cameras) is 240$ per year. With AI, the progress are so fast...NVidia also works about solutions for video to mocap.

Thanks for amazing video, it helped us to understand all the pains in the mocap pipeline

Thank you for sharing the video mate. Really helpful!

In Unreal Engine simply deactivate the Physics for your MetaHuman characters hair via the Hair Groom element. It will kill the janky hair issues trust me I had the same issue.

Finally a realistic video. Not everything is "perfect" like with every other video youtube that I've seen. Everyone has been like "this is magic! **speaking with whisper: With some cleanup**. Not a single video showing actual cleanup and a screwed up mocap. The only cleanup I saw was someone with a slight leaning hip (laugh). The "turn off everything in your home" and "clear out all metal devices" is completely unrealistic. Not to mention no other device requires this. That seems to be a suite-only issue.

Great review Moon, we definitely need more real life information about mocap products on the market. I cant figure out the best indie option so far.

great summory! Thanks for sharing your experiances.

Thank you so much for the detailed review

This is one of the most important videos on this product and I wish you'd get your hands on the Smartsuit Pro II for another smackdown.

Great review. Now I decided to buy this.

It's really amazing how Reallusion makes it look like you will spend $300 for iClone/Character Creator. By the time you get done with 3DXChange, Motion Live, the Facial Profile, the Rokoko Profile, Smartsuit Pro II, iPhone, and everything else you need, you'll be lucky to get away with under $7,000. And that doesn't even include a high end computer. And you will soon find that you'll need two Rokoko suits to facilitate character interaction, which is very tricky with one.

You left off the part after paying all that they STILL expect you to subscribe to a minimum $20/month plan just to be able access the options for exporting FBX format.

this is a great video on both aspects - being informative, and being cool content. makes me think I should do vtuber stuff when I get a suit. if this was for the smartsuit V1, it would be cool to see a V2 review.

does it taakes as long to set up and clean up? would you animate faster mixing mixamo mocap animations than cleaning up the entire animation from rococo . .im new in this so im not sure .im planning to do 5 minutes long videos .. so not sure if whats faster to produce mocap cleaning animate with mixamo or just getting the vive motion sensors and just clean up the animation .

I know how you feel. Can’t wait till your iClone CC3 video. I fell into the same trap with them

Had my Rokoko suit now for over a year and its awesome! People have to do their homework, YES you will need to do some clean up work, but it gets you 85% of the way there, and YES you will have to have a good understanding of the software you are using. Some people think it will just work like magic out of the box, there is work needed to be done but the Rokoko suit can save you hours and even days of work. I can mo cap a scene in around 30 mins then a couple hours clean up work which would have taken a couple of weeks or more animating by hand. Would i recommend the Rokoko smart suit pro, 100% YES!

I also want to thank you for the independent review.

Excellent video!

Another amazing video, interesting work for sure! 😆

This was a really useful video thank you! I'm wondering how you feel about how perception neuron stacks up next to Rokoko

I've been using mine for over 4 months now, 12 characters on a TV series for kids, 2 chapters recorded every day. This technology is awesome. Yes. It takes cleanup, and work. But once you understand the system and work your pipeline, is amazing. Cheers from Colombia.

Sold my suit. It has been a really expensive nightmare glad I got rid of it.

I can't wait to get into mocap but I'm using vive trackers maybe upgrade to a suit in the future

Very helpful video. Thanks!!

Lesson to retain from this experience is :" Never buy a product that is marketed massively with ads everywhere" generally a company that makes a quality product doesn't need to market it because its quality will speak itself. Best example is cars, do you see ads everywhere about Porsche, Rolls Royce, Bentley ..etc ? No, of course because everyone knows that whatever car of theirs you will buy will be a dope.

Thanks for your honest review! It seems that Rokoko has an issue with locomotion. However, Mocap clean up is another task that you have to take no matter which suit you are using. body parts intersection cant be recognized in any 3d package. iclone never ending addons is a joke! It might sound easy workflow for beginners at the beginning, but it wont take you long to realize that all the addons that they are charging you for are actually "FREE" in most of the other 3d packages! In fact, you can get away using Daz for base mesh character and re-rig it in another package, again for "FREE". Sorry for going on and on about iclone. But I wasted some money that I should not waste!

I use perception neuron studio, around $8000, and I'm very happy with it. It can record dances as well.

I did a mocap cleanup job from Rokoko suit and man! I personally will never buy it till they can absolutely get that sliding and positional tracking thing figured out.

I like this character!

Ty for information

interesting, thanks for the review

this is the type of video we all want

Why wouldn’t the hands mess up when touching the head? You’re expecting real-time physics w/mocap right out of the box. Not a fan of the upselling on their part but I think you were a bit harsh. These products are for professionals and you’re treating it like a toy. This feels like someone new to 3D upset that they can’t just materialize their imagination immediately.

So I joined a motion capture group in Houston, TX. We have full access to a motion capture studio. Dancing, fighting, flying, stairs, and falling. It's literally free. I pay monthly dues around $50 only when I need access. I'm sure LA, a hot bed for film and CG artists should have something similar. Great video and wish you well on your MOCAP journey.

Nice video. Please, keep posting further tests!

So in the end, is there a suit that works plug and play in unreal engine 5 for live streaming and or recording without having to tweak like the face live link?

The results speak for themselves.

Well made, thanks for the information.

Damn I started Using Animaze and was going to buy motion traction hand technology with UltraLeap what rabbit hole did I go down? Lol

I think the future is Rokoko Mocap Suit -like solution combined with cameras. I don't think you would actually need physical sensors as long as the suit has clear markings that cameras are able to focus clearly enough. Of course, doing that real-time requires quite a lot processing power to combine multiple camera feeds with the suit measurements.

Same here. Got a Rokoko Smart Suit Pro 2 with the gloves, $3000+. Have gotten ZERO value from it. Every time I try and use it it's another issue. Money absolutely wasted. I assumed it was user error at first but now I know it's just not a good product. Wish I could get my money back

Oh man, thank you so much for this much needed video. Like, I'm pretty sure it's still fun as hell to experiment with all this. But if you're an indie game developer, you can't just lower your expectations: you'll have to butcher the quality of your game and add another year to the development deadline. Which is not fun at all.

Smartsuit 2 just came out and it seems they've fixed the floor stuff, or at least the elevation (e.g. stairs etc)

I bought it too, but I don't use it now. For the same reason.

This video has proven to me that, as soon as we can do realtime motion capture and face capture, I can accept anything as real because I noticed around 10 minutes into this video that I forgot I was listening to a baby in a leather jacket and aviator glasses VR will eventually be glorious

Your video is interesting, However you forget to mentioned something which make the different for real. EVERY mocap suit or Tech won't give you a perfect motion Data, that why animators exist. You can work on a AAA Games Studio or a VFX Industry it will be the same. Animators will retarget and clean the Mocap based on the reference and on the animation principals. I'm not using Rokoko, but definitely this suit is LESS expensive that studio are using. Overall your video is nice and well produced ;)

Kind of interesting they've announced both a price hike and a price drop in the last nine months. Oh yeah, supposedly now they're selling their "Coil Pro" unit for $2K that will supposedly let you use the suit as advertised. Yeah, an ADDITIONAL $2,000 for a piece of hardware that makes the hardware you already own work as ADVERTISED. It really burns me that in all their advertising they have people holding objects like weapons, etc. and there is not enough precision to keep hands from intersecting!

The title of the video contradicts how you feel bro . The video says that you wasted your money but in the end somehow you still love your rokoko suit ? I am unable to connect the dots just like Rokoko suit failed to connect to the ground. Thanks for informing us btw .

I really hope there are video comparing all the possible mocap option, brekel body, ipisoft, rokoko smart suit...

How do you waste money on something and then say that you “love it” in the video? I do appreciate this non sponsored review though.

Oh thank gawd, its not just us then. When we try to record any motions that involve feet shuffling or small steps, the character rarely moves the way we want. Have to do so many takes.

Hi Moon! We're sorry the suit hasn't lived up to your expectations, but we're happy that you are still loving the suit and we definitely hear your feedback! For anyone thinking about purchasing, you can sign up for a free, 1:1 demo with a Rokoko Team Member who will walk through your workflow with you to make sure our system is the right fit - you can sign up for a session here: www.rokoko.com/book-demo. And to clarify, that review from No Film School was not sponsored, and we absolutely stand by the fact that you can get AAA quality from our system - you can watch some User Stories from our channel if you want to see some awesome results! We also have some exciting new VTuber tutorials where we've gotten some great results with the suit - you can find a free Metahuman Project File for use with the suit at the link below - with solutions for those pesky floating feet :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/npN_pqaDqMi6iY0.html Also, if anyone has questions about the suit, you can attend our Rokoko Office Hours every Thursday @ 11 AM PDT, live on KZfaq - I'd be more than happy to chat workflows, issues, etc... Can't wait to see more VTubing content from you, be well!

am now in this shits , i ordered it ine last augst 2021, to much late for covid shipment problem , arrived at jan 2022, untill now i cannot use it , 4 monthes i try and test and emails go and emails come , am dooo mad

Please update this Video once the CoilPro comes out.

This made me feel so bad for you bro OMG, i've never had access to that amount off money before but i can't imagine how devastated i would be if invested that much money and can't get my money's worth

in hole internet recently i 've wached video xsens vs rokoko and there author talking about almost same thing) THank you for that video!

you need to research anything you buy, also this kinda thing require you to master software, it's not like instant app on your phone, your expectation is to high, for live streaming you might be good to go with perception neuron, rokoko known to have drifting issue, but the new suite have improvement on that, and you can even go up the stair now

Thanks very much for your video, I was curious because as you say, basically all the content from Rokoko online is from Rokoko themselves. By the way, would I still have to get all the rellusion plugin content even if I dont want to use character creator (or metahuman)?

If you have issues with magnetic interference try turning off 5G on your router and use only the 2.4 or whatever mode. This made all sensors on my suit go from yellow to green. Pretty weird stuff.

Thanks, it's very interesting ! Perception Neuron V2 was better than Rokoko, but more tricky to get worked correctly, but it costed 1500 EUR and had less glitches 😭 I still love it. Have you tried the AI motion capture ? Vive mocap !!✌

you didnt waste your money bro. You made a great job

Did you do a follow up to this?

Can you use a roko live mocap suit AND a virtual camera rig in your scene at the same time?

Hire an animator! 🎉 F that noise

Idream of buying it... but this makes me think

At 8:30 you're talking about how the suit really struggles with position and locomotion but since you published this video the Smartsuit Pro II came out which claims to do much better in these categories. Any opinions?

Yeah u got money we get it😭

So....this "Affordable" mocap will still require a bank loan to buy.

Yes - yes we're laughing. But the marketing of these suits have suckered so many people into thinking they're good. I've used every single inertial suit on the market and they're ALL crap.

So in the end, what was the total cost of getting to a working result? Around US$6000-$7000 or so?

Great video. I really hope soon they improve! It makes me impressed with VR Chat full body tracking people are able to do with the vive trackers.

Totally wants to make me look for homebrew optical mocap. Maybe ML to clean up jitter some how. The avatar was…weird but I couldn’t stop watching. Your course sounds interesting though.

haha wow your channel is Golden!!

The trick is to only use the treadmill filter for recording, it gives you amazingly clean data. It's just that the locomotion filter is estimating your location on your foot position in the software, which creates rather unrealistic motion in the current Rokoko studio version, but if you just take the untouched treadmill data and clean up the feet and key the hip position yourself, the suit is pretty amazing I must say

According to Rokoko's website, sensors show up as yellow when there's more than 4 milligauss.... According to the magnetometer app, my apartment has around 300-500mG so f me, lol

If you are not in the industry making stacks this is an absolute waste of money

Get Blender and learn modelling/rigging -> free Screw character creator etc. But yeah, welcome to reality. There is a reason why mocap in CGI of movies is a job for a whole team in big productions, even with optical systems. And honetly I am thankful that not every average Joe can create art to the highest degree. Where would that leave real experts of the industry that have worked for decades and mastered all its quirks? My tip: Get Blender for free, create a python script for the mocap cleanup (at least jittering can be solved by simply averaging movements) and try embedding this in your workflow. Might save you some time.

fun fact: a solution for body, face and finger Capture will be available for everyone in maybe 2 years. I guess it will come from Valve

This was 2 years ago. I need a recent review.

4000? damn... I paid half that and my experience is pretty good, but then again, I don't use it for streaming live, I use it for motion data and also I'm an animator so Rokoko was perfect for me.

I have an Xsens suit and don't have these problems. There is some clean up which I do in Blender but that is minor adjustments. I am not sponsored by Xsens. Love your video and your set up in Unreal.

Amazing information Moon. Brilliant and honest appraisal of the issues. I love rokoko too but the idea you can’t capture sitting down mocap if your feet are slightly off the ground (and all the other issues you mention) is not as clear as it should be. There is a free unreal project that uses around 8 vive trackers instead, which I will be trying at some point and combining this with rokoko gloves (as they can be used independently from main system - which is impressive) I also have iclone with all the things you mention - but I am curious to see if I can bypass all the workflow you mention with vive trackers, rokoko gloves and live link face - all streaming real-time into unreal.....I can find a link for the project if it’s useful to you (the person who created it is very generous to release it for free) - and you want to buy a few more trackers (-:

How does CodeMiko do it? OK she is a wizard, she has probably programmed all her own filtering and drivers in Unreal. OH WAIT she's not on Rokoko, she's on Xsens.

5:57 it seems every rokoko user has a dancer/yoga girlfriend lol

Man almost spent 10k experimenting. 😂 I would of cut my losses at 6k 😅

what was the competitor you mentioned? Xsens?

Thank you. I was close to buy it. Good thing I've did some investigation before doing it.

So they told you to touch the grass, but that's feature isn't supported yet :D

Then what you recommended for a low-budget beginner?

the mouth movements are unbearable to watch ...

Is SmartPro II much better?Or still not even close to Xsens?