yes very astute and almost poetic somewhow

,,,,, it's the only growth industry in Britain, what kind of people ( I that word loosely) vote to starve children, I know a word !

If they were aiming for hydrogen based steel made with the power from wind turbines, towns like these would prosper. Doing things the same way as a century ago is destined for failure, doesn't matter if it's privately owned or nationalised. People need to stop voting for politicians based on slogans and start looking for leaders with vision.

Thats really insightful, thank for this explanation. I've long known that the deindustrialisation of our nation is a terrible thing for communities. But getting a Government with a plan for encouraging new investments and technologies to bring the UKs industry up to date is essential.

Trumps hotels are built using Chinese steel.

I live in Port Talbot, the older generation plan to vote Conservative, shocking

@@RJTheQuizzer I just don’t understand why

​@@callu947 Many English nationalists have moved to Port Talbot, especially over 50's, we know they'll boost the Conservative vote

@@RJTheQuizzer planters do as planters do

​@@RJTheQuizzerI've just checked the ONS figures and as of the 2021 census, around 6% of Neath Port Talbot are English. Meanwhile, you're watching a video of a Welsh woman who likes Rishi Sunak.

I don't agree - democracy means nothing if we don't respect the right to abstain from it. People deserve better than choosing the least worst option.

@@boomshanka8743 That may be true, but then every time in history where democracy failed (30's Italy and Germany, modern day Russia and Belarus, for example), there were too many people who simply abstained and let it happen. Democracy is so fragile. To take it for granted is to leave it and yourself vulnerable.

@@Pemmont107 Given our absurd voting system, whether I vote or abstain is not going to have the slightest effect on the outcome. The right to abstain is a wholly legitimate political stance.

@@boomshanka8743 by not choosing the least worst they let the worst win last time tho. how did that help?

@@martinradcliffe4798 and that gave us a huge tory majority last time. how did that work out for you?

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Steel should be nationalised,run for the country,run for the workers,not run for a foreign country to take the profits and shut down

Remember what Margaret Thatcher sold and closed. Sold the manufacturing industry….steel plants, water , gas and electricity companies etc Closed down the coal mines. She even sold the Telecom manufacturing industry. Stop blaming other overseas companies. Start by blaming what the UK government has done

​@@placemats1598and if it keeps loosing money should the tax payer have to keep paying for it ?

@@placemats1598 I dont remember communism being a Brexit benefit

Yes i think how on hell did trump get elected now biden who is past it. Whole system is inept

you could put on the plaid’s words and all of bidens words and have an 80% overlap

Well we’re doing our damndest to stop our country ever getting like America.

@@yorkshirehousewife784 it’s too late. From what I’ve seen it appears you are on an irreversible course. Unfettered corporate capitalism was the final nail in our casket. Competition is so severely reduced, you can hardly call them markets. Old sluggish companies kept afloat while innovation is stagnant. As rightly concerned as I am about climate change, or at least we can call it man’s environmental footprint - I am surprised I never hear the political right make the reasonable argument that there are more urgent matters at hand regarding imminent confrontation between the West and the new Axis of evil (Russia, China, Iran). The vibe is that while the West signs off on well meaning documents to save our world, we are losing the immediate and thus long term competitive edge to China.

US decline is affecting other countries too

She wrecked the country,

@@Danxph Indeed. Completely and utterly.

If you support Net Zero you must be delighted by that.

@@LuisCarruthers I don't. Net Zero is bankrupting us.

@@LuisCarruthers I don't. Net Zero is bankrupting us.

its 2024 not 1824

All the driving talent amongst the young heads to London because a lot of reasons. One reason I don't see discussed much is the often casual disregard for the value of it's young people in the kind of towns you're talking about. The same young people are valued in London. These towns can blame 101 reasons, but in each case, they lost their best and their brightest to London, and they've yet to put much thought into that. Instead you'll hear lots of blather about immigrants -- who are also welcome in London. In fact many of the people who are little valued in the towns you describe, are welcome in London. I grew up in one of these kinds of towns. Some 25 years ago I moved to London to become a graphic designer and programmer. Today I live in Spain -- now the region of Spain I live in goes to great efforts to retain its young people. It puts on gigs and events for them. It supports young businesses, and overall it promotes a good attitude towards the young. They are valued. The region of Spain I live in understands that if it loses all its talent, it's dead. It works hard to retain its talent and attract new talent. The towns that are currently suffering, need to stop driving their most precious talent away and look at what actually makes a region prosper. Instead they bemoan the past and put little real thought into the future. Oh, and they're not stingy about putting up new housing in Spain, so there's plenty of cheap housing for the young. The UK needs to let go of the bitterness it has wrapped itself in, and put some adult thought into the future it wants and how best to go about getting it. Frankly, people need to stop whinging about the sky falling in and think a little about actually doing something.

But u think these people have unrealistic expectations. China can produce steel a lot cheaper. No company is going to save it and after thatcher the government is unlikely to save it.

work got sent overseas. be willing to travel.

No - similar story across WESTERN nations. Vote Labour for an increase to the pace.

I've watched 5 guardian videos in a row and i've not heard one person say they are voting reform. The guardian doing their very best to selectively edit out anyone who dares say they are voting reform.

I live in Port Talbot, the older generation plan to vote Conservative, shocking

@@RJTheQuizzer JAW-dropping. Have they learned NOTHING from these past 16 years???

I know. I fell off the chair when she said that.😅

@@RJTheQuizzer because pensioners have been the most insulated from tory policies. or so they think.

Yeah but china makes steel cheaper. It’s the same as coal in the 1980s. They live in the past.

Steel isn't very environmentally friendly.

Isn't that Tata steel? Where Sunak has part of his money in?

Nothing like the rust belt in the US. Port Talbot is not miles from anywhere, it is next door to Swansea which has fast rail connections to Cardiff, Bristol and London. Both Cardiff and Bristol have plenty of job opportunities and Port Talbot is likely to get plenty of jobs from the off shore wind industry. The sea bed conditions require floating wind technology to be developed and used. There is likely 30 to 50 GW that can be exploited, more if the work in Irish waters gets shared.

@@briangriffiths1285 Yes, practical solutions are much better than the doom and gloom. Although, why does it take so long to implement such solutions? Who or what is causing this delay? People just want a fair chance at a job so they can live with dignity and feed their families...

@@EdwardSinclair I think it is a mindset that jobs exist for life in these old industries of steel and coal. Some guys may be too old to retrain into physical jobs and that will be a real shame but if the Unions and Tata get their heads together with the govt agencies that support training and transition, there should be jobs for all. Certainly the Grid want electrical engineers, we need thousands of heat pump installers, I cannot believe that these steel men that have worked with dangerous materials cannot be retrained? The history of Wales has been sad when the pits closed in the 80s the men didn’t find work easily and the communities in the Valleys were left in relative poverty. They need to kick that and look forward to change.

@@briangriffiths1285 Valid point. This wasn’t addressed in the segment. My guess is the skilled workers are coming from elsewhere.

@@samuelculper4231 There is a shortage of skilled folks in the heating industry in the UK and also the power distribution industry. Plenty of retirees in both sectors in the next few years. I cannot stress enough that the UK intends to install 600,000 heat pumps a year by 2027 which is nowhere enough to have an impact on climate change, we need to install 1.4 million a year. The plumbers of today aren't skilled to do that and it also requires a serious no. of electricians too. Both trades could assimilate 250,000 workers each. But the jobs will not all be in South Wales. That is the rub. South Wales is generally seen as a low wage low cost place to live and moving to wealthier areas is a real challenge. It might be possible to manage by working rather longer hours 4 days a week or even 3 days a week to combine a home in S Wales and continuing to work. Folks need to think outside the box. Oh and yes, I have a Welsh name but born in England!

Brits voted for Brexit to cut themselves off from Globalist capitalists . You should be happy

industry sold there and their people shipped in here

They have been shipping iron ore out of Afghanistan through Pakistan into India, where they process it without any labour laws or quality control and re-absorb the finished product into the UK through shell companies. This rabbit hole is way deeper.

@@ooc4436 India has labour laws. In fact, India has a much more robust left-wing ecosystem than the UK. Furthermore, Indian steel is of extremely high quality - which is something that you would know if you knew anything about the steel industry. But of course how would Little Britain (and Brexiteers) ever know what’s going on in the rest of the world in 2024? There’s a reason why you’re not a competitive (or serious) country anymore, unlike your American and Australian cousins. You’re pretty much in the same boat as Canada, with your prime well in the past and no future to look forward to on your miserable little island.

If only that trading block wasn’t intent on forcibly inflicting demographic on our communities we might not have left.

​@@nowherepeople3431been listening to Forage too much..... The countries population is aging, living longer, more older people not working and less kids are being born....That means there is an enormous pension problem occuring now and worsening in the future. Someone has to be in work to supports the current old with NI contributions, taxes etc. To get growth in the economy you need people working. The last 14 years has seen productivity in the bin, decline in services, 100s of billions of pounds wiped off the economy and exports to the countries largest customer dropping.......yet that's all the foreigners fault.... The current government has broken this country. The immigrants are a convenient scapegoat for a total failure in economic policy.

@@nowherepeople3431 that sentence is just word salad to me. By inflicting demographic, do you mean inflicting immigrants?

@@paramotorhead yes, you understand it perfectly well. You also know that if I am not extremely delicate with how I phrase things the YT platform will simply remove or make invisible my comment. I presume that’s something you would support no?

Why should they ? It's up to the people to invest in their own futures.

And yet the Conservative Government has pledged £500million to help with transition. What has Welsh Labour done? NOTHING!

@@jablot5054 they do invest in their own future by grafting for the company, why else do you work for a company FFS. The company is supposed to pay that back by reinvestment.

​@@jablot5054 why are people homeless? Just buy a house lol

Exactly

as if that is the only reason

Stupidity is,,,sorry meant gullibility

Desperate cope. Most Tories didn’t want Brexit including Cameron who gave us the referendum.

There is no solution. The UK is dying. This country was built on the back of an empire that no longer exists. Being members of the EU papered over the cracks for a while, but the decline was only slowed. We cannot compete globally, not in terms of resources, or industry, militarily, education or innovation. And the AI apocalypse is about to wipe us out technologically. If it’s any consolation, Europe is going the same way, hence the resurgence of the far right.

TINA. There is no alternative. All it is is managed decline and the “rise of the rest”. Ricardian law of comparative advantage says you should focus on what you do most efficiently (i.e. cheaper), and stop doing everything else. In a globalized world it is impossible to “bring back” the steel industry when the Indians and the Chinese can do it for a fraction of the cost. The next question to people who say it should be “would you be willing to pay 2-3 times the price for iron gates, construction rebar etc to support the local industry? The honest answer is going to be “no”.

The UK needs to look at North Korea to find ideas for the future

No coal

Nationalized did not work.

@@jameswatson5807 Privatization does not work either , the UK is bolloxed

Yes, those ones who, like most working class people, have been betrayed by a Blairite elite and are doing what they can

Germany, France, Italy, etc, don't face these issues. That explains the success of far-right parties the other day.

The Welsh nationalists like to pretend it was English retirees, but in truth it was the working class 'salt of earth' Welsh people of the Valleys that did it.

What’s Brexit got to do with it ? The Redcar steelworks closed in 2015 when Britain was a member of the European Union.

This is a truly disgusting reply. You have been confronted with a situation in which thousands of working class lives are about to be thrown into peril due to the closing of industry. And your first instinct is to condemn these people for bringing it upon themselves because they were disenchanted with an institution which did absolutely nothing for them. You people don’t understand why you’re hated.

Yep, all the governments of the world's foundations are all built on domination over those who it exploits.

Even china and North Korea?

@@kb4903 kim jung un and xi jingping don't look proletarian to me, they both look like bureaucrats that are way above the people who they dominate over, not to forget about china's billionaires.

@@kb4903china does have capitalism they say so after deng

@@kb4903 Yes, North Korea is the least integrated into the world system, but still integrated.

Competent serious greens is an oxymoron

Watch Carla Denyer in the debates.

You must be East German , no food banks required back then . Your govt took care of you

What leftist parties does the UK have?

@@matthewprince9705 They should probably vote for (independent) socialist or communist parties, or, if people are not comfortable with that: Greens. I know the Greens aren't really that left, given their positions on capitalism, but I think they would still push the needle in the right direction.

@@_yonasThe Greens recognise the need to effect greater environmental responsibility and social progress by using the framework of capitalism for redistributive purposes and proper funding of social and environmental services. I’d argue that they’re quite left wing even if falling short of overturning capitalism in its entirety.

We don't have any credible leftists in Germany, the most popular ones are just Kremlin agents from the party that built the Berlin wall and shot those trying to be with their families. Apparently, these people's ideas are resonating with some voters, but not as many as the far-right. And the SPD and Linke have also massively declined in popularity, don't think we'll see them back in power for a while. Realistically, the CDU will win the next election and then lose credibility like the Ampel have. Then, one of Putin's parties will win, end elections and that regime will enslave and brainwash us, just like in Belarus or occupied Ukraine. There'll be no tolerance of anything, except state sanctioned violence, hate and ignorance. The sad part is that we will do this to ourselves, by popular demand.

You mean the leader of Plaid Cymru lol? Also hes definitley different from farage, he attacked farage alot in the debates.

@@lewisbaitup6352 Did he attack Farage for bringing him Sovereignty , Freedom, Sunny Uplands , Global Briatain Brexit ?

@@sarahann530 brexit was one line of attack yes, him leading a hate movement was also another line.

@@lewisbaitup6352 So Plaid Cymru did not want Brexit going against the majority of Welsh voters

@@sarahann530 yes they were remainers during the referendum, this conversation is honestly boring.

Germany, France, Italy etc, aren't facing these issues right? - hence the success of the far-right just the other day.

Even the poorest parts of Romania are not as hopeless as places like this. The woman are still thin and the people chill

Essentially these are the Turkeys that voted for Christmas.

Not fair to say, the industries were built long before the EU. There's a lot more moving parts to it than just in the EU or not.

@@yusufk7975are you aware that deindustrialisation was happening before Brexit

Brexit had nothing to with it !

@@yusufk7975 That level of arrogance is exactly how brexit was a win, and you learnt nothing

Labour have a 2.5Bn commitment to investment in green steel so we can start producing virgin steel again in their manifesto. This country needs to get over the cheems mindset of only seeing potholes as viable when labour have an asian tiger type growth plan.

What do they want the government to do? Use public money to prop up an expensive system that china makes cheaper?

But remove the national borders. Renationalise but without the nasty nation bit pls.

You cannot even spell ThaTCher for Christ's sake !

​@@Sam_Green____4114 What a dumb thing to get mad at

@@tom_demarco If he can't get that right what can he get right !?

It was a handful of office buildings in london that conquered the world. These people have nothing to do with it.

they didn´t. Their ancestor conquered parts of the world.

Because it's very simple, they were lied to by a slogan on the side of a bus.

This wouldve happened even if we stayed in the EU, the EU isn't really a pro worker institution.

@@lewisbaitup6352The EU is increasing tariffs and raising the regulations on those imports coming from outside the EU, such as the UK

@@andrew300169 well like i said, they're not pro worker. It's just an imperial core club that extracts wealth from the ones who need it most, it's not something we should be a part of but we left it to compete in the same game as it, not to be better than it.

The Redcar steelworks closed in 2015 when Britain was a member of the European Union 🤔

@connoryhhhfgvlk Interesting concept.

Out dated and poor industry not being floated by the tax payer as it’s cheaper to import?

We voted for it and absolutely NOBODY in government would make it happen correctly after the instruction was made. You still think this is a functional democracy ? The fact it lives on in your brain as pure salt was reason enough to vote brexit and keep on doing it.

@@leonblittle226 a Brexit cultist unable to accept that you were conned.

​@@leonblittle226how does correct Brexit look like?

@@leonblittle226 we weren’t conned and I’d vote for it again. The government failed to implement the will of the people.

​@@leonblittle226unfortunately, you weren't lied to. You just didn't do your research. You were the mark. Congratulations on being conned. Oh, and by the way there was no way to do Brexit correctly, as you put it.

Not hopeless, good!

As much as I'm looking forward to Labour supplanting the Conservatives in Westminster, Wales will continue to be disregarded and taken for granted until its people get their act together and return as strong a Plaid Cymru representation as Scotland does its SNP representation.

But what about the cheesemakers 😂

Rare for British journalists to bother.

Why exactly? They are two very different models. Soup kitchens provide a fresh prepared meal and users return on a regular basis. Food banks are essentially warehouses for dry goods, a stop gap service where users are vetted

@@annestjohn4017 "Food bank" vs "soup kitchen" is like "migrant" vs "refugee", it's an attempt to manipulate language to make things acceptable to the public, when they should be outraged.

@@DarylBaines "Food bank" and "soup kitchen" are about equally pitiable in connotation.

It can be reinvigorated but there is no vision

Labour cares for all the world’s poor. They can’t be any more specific than that.

@@nowherepeople3431 Labour are looking to go back to their previous overseas aid budget of 0.7% GDP when there is sufficient money to do that. Current government spending is 45% of GDP, so 70 times that of overseas aid. So your statement is wrong.

@@alundavies1016 I’m not talking about overseas aid. I’m talking about enabling everyone from overseas to access our over stretched welfare state and bottomed out labour market.

@@nowherepeople3431 the people that run out public services?

Keep telling yourself that 😂

A council can beggar itself trying to court investment from conglomerates with literally an entire world of better options, while a national government can create conditions that actually incentivise and promote development and thereby wealth creation (ie. Jobs) with pragmatic diplomacy, regulatory reform, temporary tax incentives, and they could even grow some 'stuff' and actually invest in new nationalised industries. Is someone going to with a straight face claim that the civil service, one of the largest employers in the UK, can't find some gaps in the market that the UK could generate or retain some revenue by creating some industries to pioneer or at least localize production of? Like they don't know even a failed industry would be better for the economy than mass-unemployment and economic inactivity. All around the British isles are still-untapped resources that aren't the single most profitable investment conceivable and so the fiduciarily responsible free-market ignores them, and nationalising the development sounds too much like government spending 🤚😮✋so it just sits there while jobs in existing industries shrink away everyday to offshoring, obsolescence, or automation. Did you know for the price of a few high-powered electrical cables the west coast of Scotland could be almost completely energy independent? "Oh, but what would become of the oil industry!?" Like a polymers industry or something couldn't be built up instead of continuing to literally burn wealth. Tldr: imo ultimately the UK has enough resources, access to credit, available and willing labour, and even sov'rinity 🤢 to fix it all but the governments we keep getting seem to think that sounds too much like hard work and might upset their wealthiest donors

🗣 GREEN! 🇬🇧🏳️‍🌈🇺🇲😉

How is reform going to bring back steel deporting migrants who help drive the economy and prevent demographic collapse doesn’t seem like a working plan

Oh look its a brainwashed fascist sheeo that thinks voting for abusive upper class will help solve problems they themselves have created. Nice try, little sheeple

führage got the UK into this mess, stop shilling, these people are suffering because of him

@@rice4550ahhh yes of course all those Hand Car Washers and Deliveroo Drivers are really boosting our GDP/capita. 🙄

Nah, Plaid's got a point. The current Labour government has clearly indicated it attempts to merely re-run the already failed broadchurch New Labour experiment for fear the right-leaning working class will abandon them (in ignorance of the fact that this course of action has been proven to guarantee the right-leaning working class will abandon them) Even just ensuring the existence of some larger third parties seems like a good foil to the market-obsessed idling a post-thatcher majority government falls into and may even set the stage for something better than the current rotten two-party parliamentary system. Don't get me wrong, I'm tactically voting Labour, but it's not like I'm happy about it. I would've loved to have a party I could trust that I could responsibly vote for instead.

Nobody voted for Net-Zero.

Wales didn’t vote for brexit

Ah that salt still flows, the bitter and twisted remoaner still dishing out nothing but hate and working for the establishments objective like a good sheep. You people are pathetic.

It was net zero not brexit

@@howardstephens5003unfortunately old man we need net zero. If we keep on the track we are on all this won’t matter. The steelworks, farming, mining, fishing, it’ll all be put out of action by Mother Nature.

So far its Green with the major, and Labour vaguely implying they'll do some things

führage apparently, he's the man of the people now, he got you to vote to make the country poorer so he has all the answers

In this video, it seemed to be the disabled who were doing the fighting for others by volunteering to run the food bank! Massive respect to those two older women for doing so. They certainly shouldn't have to do it.

The Redcar steelworks closed in 2015 when Britain was a member of the EU.

@@davidpryle3935 That is irrelevant. Lots of businesses opened and closed while in the EU but leaving it meant economic sanctions that at a minimum has taken 5% points off the UK;s GDP every year.

@@stuartwilson7392 Oh I see. Steelworks closing down is only relevant when it suits a particular argument.

@@davidpryle3935 Ok you do not want to accept economic reality.. Brexit caused Britain to impose massive economic sanctions upon itself. As a direct result investment into steel production that was heading for the UK and been diverted to India and Europe because they are either massive or potentially massive economic zones. Little old Britain on its own is not and as a direct result those steel plants in Port Talbot and Llanwern are closing down. Also the EU was able to negotiate the removal of US steel tariffs on its steel products imposed when Trump was last in power but they remain on Brexit Britain. If we had still been in the EU those investments would likely have been made here and the US steel tariffs would not exist, but that is not the case. So those that voted for this only have themselves to blame. So those at Port Talbot can stop whining blaming others and start accepting they were responsible. The Tories are not responsible since they just delivered what the public said they wanted. So the public can reap what they sow.

@@stuartwilson7392 Inconvenient fact. The Redcar steelworks closed in 2015, when Britain was a member of the European Union.

Nationalism