I was thinking the same.

Johnson was mentioned at the first of the program.

Xacly. Spot on.

Agreed 👍. But this is a great docu nonetheless

Nor Muhammad Ali

Its like going from dirt bike riding to bike touring . first 10 miles. i was like.. Hell no... never made fun of my friends again.. well maybe the yellow shirt.

I’ve never known what “training” for a karate match entailed of other then breaking plywood planks or hitting a heavy bag. (Not trying to be funny, I’ll take a chuckle, I’ve just been a boxing guy) It’s just my belief that martial arts, without the grappling, focuses on offense. Hence why an mma fight is only 25 min and you focus taking out your opponent hence why an mma guy feels confident against a boxer. Only as I’ve known from a brief boxing experience, a boxer has to focus his training on hitting of course, that’s easy part of training, include training not to get hit, condition to go 15 rounds, not the modern era 12 for a fight, but the 15 just for reassurance, and, you gotta prepare TO GET HIT WHILE YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THE FIRST 3 circumstances during a fight. I will say that a boxing guy hates wrestling n wouldn’t succeed as an mma guy in my opinion.

Boxing is a martial art

@@bunnyman6321 ok. Well to train for a fight that focuses only on the boxing segment of martial arts you still have to be ready for 15, avoiding shots- footwork, blocking, n evading punches, getting hit, and dishing it out as well. Don't get me wrong they both are tough.

@@arturosoto24 Stay ready so you don't have to get ready.

Because its clearly made by the BBC or similar station rather than boxing people.

@@bigdaddy4069 nope, it's not. it's from Arte and Canal+ (french)

@@stefanb2416 Nope, I said BBC or similar meaning a TV channel rather than a home made documentary that there seems to be 100s of. How pedantic !!!

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He obliterated the 6'6 Fred Fulton, 6'5 Carl Morris, 6'4 Gunboat Smith, 6'8 Homer Smith all in a single round, as well as the 6'4 Luis Firpo KO2 and 6'7 Willard KO3. He truly was the giant killer.

If you haven'y yet seen it, i highly recommend 'What's my name', from 2019 on HBO (might also be able to find it on youtube).

I said the same thing. How can you leave him and Norton out

@badchoices7152 You know a lot more than most. Your words were very kind indeed for a Great World Heavyweight Champion. Holmes was cheated by the gangsters in the sport of boxing. It's a dirty game, but I don't know if Larry was the best, but he won the two Spinks fights. He wasn't allowed to retire undefeated. I believe Ali's fights with Liston and Foreman were fixed. Ali lost at least 2 fights against Ken Norton. Tyson in his prime looked unbeatable, but alcohol and drugs beat Iron Mike. None of Larry's victories were fixed. I think Larry Holmes was the Greatest. Yes, I now say Larry was the best. He had to knock most of his opposition out in order to secure his wins.

I would have thought Holmes be rated way above peek a boo Patterson?

I'm sure whoever made this documentary loved Ali and Holmes beat Ali. It's kinda like everyone loved Micheal Jordan and as fans we really never gave Kobe the crown and we damn sure not going to give Lebron the crown. Yes Larry Holmes should have been in this

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they missed the Holmes era

@@peteroates9921 7 years iis a long time to wear the crown

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Yea but when he was in trouble racist nazi America gave him nothing back.

His country certainly didn't look after him. America should be ashamed of the way Louis was treated.

muzikmon2267 butt sad to heard about he ended in casino in les vegas wel comeing the gamlers this Wht he got from USA.hats off jou Louise

@christopher russell not exactly, Muhammad ali is often mistaken as a racist by those who don't have a full grasp on racial issues and topics. However, the rest of your summary on Joe Luis was very heart felt and I agree. Also Muhhamad probably looked into joe luis more than joe luis knows about black history, why wud he make the same mistake and support this country and possibly die and lose everything? ur basically saying muhhamad is bad because he refuses to do what joe luis shudnt have done. after that time period luis trained people who then joined boxing and when he wanted to retire he cudnt so he had to take the abuse he taught others to give lol that's not cool all because of as you said the irs. I wud rather be muhhamad ali in this case cuz that video looked like joe luis was broken and didn't even wanna help. Ali had fire ie: u call it segregation, but that's a term brought about by white racism not black racism. ie: Black version is called black separatism and isn't for hatred. its for a community that needs a place away from racism. segregation is a lot difference and meant to keep whites better off than another race. separatism is for those who no matter where they go in this country they face racism at a higher level (anyone who isn't white) and as a result we have suicides, crime, violence, and etc because white people have a hard time transitioning out of their past (likely cuz they don't wanna remember it, so how can they learn from it?) tbh Muhammad was smarter because he was reading things before Joe Luis' times... he knows this lands history, so he doesn't have to make the same mistakes joe luis made. (if we are calling it a mistake that is since everyone has a choice of success)

russell your a fucking idiot and ignorant racist tool

No, Ali had a style for the era that's it. What else's did he do Nothing it had been done before and after just the 1st on camera and the 1st black guy and everybody else followed suit. But nothing new to fighters.

@@chrisscott4766 he didn't said that ali invented his fighting style. He just said that he had every tool a fighter can have which I disagree with since Ali didn't have 1 hit ko power and good mix up combinations since he rarely goes to body In fact ali only threw a handful of body shots in his entire career Edit: if I were to call fighter who had everything then it would be robinson or lightweight duran Both of em had it all speed, power, chin, infighting, feints, etc..

He did not have a knockout punch. That is the only major thing about Muhammad Ali that was lacking. The only man people have consistently ranked ahead of him on all time lists is Joe Louis Barrow. It is because Joe Louis Barrow had every tool in the book. Foot speed may have been a little bit lacking, but when he caught you, there was no getting away

@@paysonfox88 Ali was 57 wins 36 kos . That's a pretty good puncher

@@paysonfox88 imo Tyson would take on Lewis

Any better now?

It’s not a game

@@christophershanklin112 lol not when ur black, cuz it tells our whole history. if this video hits hard for a black person with ability they're gonna become a champion. Theres too good a chance that a white person wont care and them becoming a champion in America isn't a feat.

@@anoncanon1100 are you a racist shit head ? whats great on trying to cripple a fellow human ,get over it ,black white yellow red all human beings

@@anoncanon1100 Boxing did not start in Africa and is much older than the USA itself. Many Irish/Scottish people share a history with boxing, you racist f u c k

I don't think anyone could have beaten Joe Louis on that day. He had a look in his eyes I've never seen in any of his other footage. Schmeling made the mistake of turning his back to avoid head shots at one point, Louis destroyed him with body shots & broke his back. Schmeling spent weeks in Hospital after that fight.

You're right. When a fierce competitor like Joe Louis is fixing to knock you out, you're in for trouble.. About the broken vertebrae, I'm quite sure that it occured from the head shots while Schmeling had his back turned, with his sights still set on Louis. Obviously not a good head position for absorbing a punch, as Max found out...

I have an excellently produced and well acted movie about the personal and professional lives of Schmeling and Louis.

What's it named?

by his own country.....who he fought for......did great charity for.

Cooked manager and Crooked government.

Ironically, Max Schmeling ended up vastly wealthy, and helped Joe out a lot, financially. They remained great friends, all their lives.

Rocky Marciano the greatest of the great. 49-0

​@@johnreidy2804For what beating up on washed up past they're prime Boxer's...Y'all stay saying STUPID shit, SMGDH.

I still have my VHS of this too. And the book 'Crown of Thorns' which compliments it.

Still got it on VHS too 👍

you're missing one word : heavy weight champions only. That is why SRR is not included.

@@goognamgoognw6637 And what may I ask was SSR ?

​@@chairlesnicol672SRR was a middleweight.

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Mention Primo Carnera but not Jack Johnson. So bad

Would've been better had they shown Ali's defeat and loss of title only to win and regain it at the hands of Leon Spinks.

Louis gosset jr did a much better job narrating than this pink limey

I had the vhs

Difficult to find film of Johnson.

EXACLY!!!!!

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Apparently politics and money concerns ruled Johnson’s time at the top - he was reluctant, or advised ( not sure) to fight other Black Americans because it was believed it wouldn’t draw as big a crowd - avarice and racialism - white vs Black was supposedly the ideal money-spinner.

​@@rosshoover6986Its already on yt its just on a seperate video (1882-1929)

im watching this for the 1st time around xmas time.. lol

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No Jack Johnson

@@Jbeeeeeze IT WILL NEVER BE COMPLETE WITHOUT THE MENTION OF JACK JOHNSON!

Hahah me too. I just clicked here pretending to watch just for a couple and minutes and I ended up hooked watching the entire film!

The BBC. The British Broadcasting Company. The best television in the bar none.

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I love Larry. He has so much heart!

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100% true, Dempsey was never the same after that, his footwork much slower, reflexes groggy, head and body movement more limited.... No doubt the Dempsey of 1919 would have made mincemeat of the great Tunney.

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jack Johnson had to wait and run after the champ for all most ten years until they gave him a title shot, He had a hard life.

How you gonna leave out jack Johnson 🤔who the director of this script..

No jack Johnson? .mistake made here.jj might be the best heavy p 4 p ever

@scatman crothersghost 25 rounds...i truly believe back than those boxers where another breed than us... it's Crazy... I train hard, don't drink and don't smoke, i am 30 yr old, but if i have a hard opponent, fighting 100%, i barely resist 5 - 6 rounds! ( Well, for sure i am not very talented, i am a average boxer) i would die for sure if i fight 25 rounds!

@@jhonfamo8412 he was also the inspiration for one of Miles Davis's greatest albums.

Funnily enough he was down to earth, in a plane apparently. Sick I know but hey there ya go....!

Actually not funny at all I do apologise.

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Lol no....

The first round was legendary but not the greatest fight ever

Too 3 for sure. That was a war, short but damn good

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Larry never fought Foreman. And big George won the heavyweight title for a second time while Holmes was active. If Larry wanted to be remembered it was his own fault he is not. If he was better, he never proved it in the ring.

@@gopherstate777 Nope, not his fault at all. Holmes made it crystal clear that he would fight Foreman anytime, anywhere. In fact, he wanted Foreman more than anyone else. But Foreman ducked him. And this is a FACT. Foreman was picking his fights during his comeback. And he avoided anyone who could really box and move (except for Holyfield, who he had to fight at the time if he wanted a chance at the title).

He held the WBC title for 5 years, never winning the WBA belt. There is another entire lineage of champions that existed during his run that never crossed paths until Tyson unified the belts.

He said as long as blacks are boxing there will never be a white heavyweight champion again.... WRONG

@@mike62mcmanus who asked?

Quite true. Boxing lost its glamor when Ali left the stage for age

ability to move with punches is probably the key thing. the less often u get hit clean the better

And black folks don't want to look at his record. Lol

you cant of watched many others then sir.

Because he said it you believe it... Got it.

@@mike62mcmanus yes or no I know what you're saying now he said it it made us believe it but he said it to make himself believe it

@@mike62mcmanus stfu

@@mike62mcmanus let's find out square up

Rock was incredibly strong. Hardest puncher ever.

Rocky trained by punching a 300 lb heavy bag that was made for him! BRUTAL puncher...great fighter!!!

Max had a severe back injury in the second fight. He shouldn't have fought at all. Being a good sportsman, non-nazi, Max went ahead with the fight and you can hear him call out in pain when hit by Joe.

I just learned that smelling said 35 years after Joe lewis 2 that Joe hit him so hard he spent 2 weeks in the hospital and his back was still messed up. A brutal sport.

@@brucepedersen4032 I hear he spoke of that 35 years after the fight. Was that a body shot? What do you think?

That punch hurt Max all the way through his body. He is laying on the canvas with his lower back crippled and screaming out in pain. Courage, sportsman, pro, he fought in the biggest fight that century. PS thanks for the film. Great PPSS How did race prejudice and world politics get in there ?