Ice Age | The Resleevables #9 | Magic: The Gathering History MTG

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Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan are here for their deep dive on Magic's sixth expansion - Ice Age!
The duo dissect Magic's biggest swing yet, with their thoughts on cumulative upkeep, snow lands, the introduction of cantrips, far too many color hosers, and the card that Inquest said was the worst card in the set!
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
2:22 Facts
23:05 Lore
29:28 Mechanics
1:00:22 Cycles
1:31:49 Trivia
1:50:08 Awards Show
2:05:39 Final Grade
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Credits:
Directed by: Jonathan Choi
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@christopherlundgren1700 11 ай бұрын

Now I really want to hear about Dave Humphreys's epic Ice Age Prelealease run.

@synxsnacks1552 11 ай бұрын

it’ll probs be up on the next paywall ep after they read this and feel like this?

@Sierkovitz 11 ай бұрын

If memory serves there is a Rosewater drive to work episode all about it with Dave Humpherys as a guest

@dm364 11 ай бұрын

I remember my mom buying me a starter deck case at a discount probably when alliances was coming out, A single mom going out of her way to bring me joy, bless her heart!

@danielkaragic7057 11 ай бұрын

Love goes out to all the single parenting hustlerz!

@pedropenna7480 9 ай бұрын

Oh boy, a star to her for bring you the Joy, a star for you for knowing the strugle. Bless you and her.

@phattybacon931 4 ай бұрын

Every child deserves both their parents. I'm sorry you missed out man, I can relate.

@dm364 4 ай бұрын

thx guys and/or girls! I'm very fortunate to have her and her family, in hindsight things worked out for the best!

@jenniferwilliams9612 11 ай бұрын

1:39:45 I love watching Patrick rocking out to the text of Balduvian Shaman! That is hilarious!

@TheMaverickGirlGaming 11 ай бұрын

Funny enough, both pairs of Pyroblast/Hydroblast and Order of the Sacred Torch/Stromgard Cabal were left out of the hoser count, so there's actually TWENTY-NINE HOSERS in this set. TWENTY. NINE. What a wild time.

@WLDFLD 11 ай бұрын

Can we talk about Chaos Lord & Chaos Moon? They require players to count every single permanent in play, every single turn. On the whole battlefield! I played ONE game in my life featuring Chaos Lord, **IN 1996**, and I still remember it extremely vividly because of how absurd the experience was.

@lberghaus Ай бұрын

Makes you wonder if they actually bothered playing with it before printing it

@Chocolate83Bunny 11 ай бұрын

I have no idea why as a player that started less than a year ago, looking through ice age cards is so cool to me. Maybe I'm a lunatic but I wish I could play a game with an ice age deck. It just seems like it would be so crazy and swingy, and all the art is so totally varied. There are so many whacky cards in this set it would just be so exciting to see what shows up each turn

@Alvaro-qp1ww 11 ай бұрын

So ALICE is your format (Ice age + Alliances). Cool format, great metagame

@pedropenna7480 9 ай бұрын

Yes. I was a kid in 94 but climate change being such a mass hit on the news anos stuf, Ice age have always being Nice to me.

@gratuitousfootnote1183 10 ай бұрын

Old School 95 magic - where you splash the Swedish format w/ Ice Age - is insanely fun. Zuran Orb makes Lich Mirror much more viable. Using Eureka to drop the Polar Kraken with instill energy and concordant crossroads is one of the funnest plays I ever did.

@littlejaychi 11 ай бұрын

Fun trivia I learned from Drew Tucker. The art for Flare was the original art meant for the card Wrath of God. Late in development, they chose to change the artwork to Hoover's piece.

@mattm7798 11 ай бұрын

SO much nostalgia from this set. It was the newest set when I first started playing (the first time) MTG. I remember getting a copy of Inquest and thinking the Ice Age cards looked so awesome compared to the older cards...also notable in those inquest was how expensive Black Lotus and the Moxen seemed to a 6th grader in 1995 at $300 and $100 each.

@85mcarnold 11 ай бұрын

Same

@Aaron-wv5si 11 ай бұрын

4th, Fallen Empires, and Chronicles were all on the shelf when I started, but the first card I ever saw was Shambling Strider. Lots of nostalgia from this set.

@jacobacree2501 11 ай бұрын

hearing cedric talk about polar kraken reminds me of back when i first began playing, way later than these guys but in dragons maze my friend gave me a Trostani's Summoner and i was obsessed with this game ever since i cast it the first time. really good memories, great episode and love your work guys. keep it up

@christina.morris 11 ай бұрын

The perfect upload for my Friday evening. Ice Age had just come out around the time I started, and I have tons of nostalgia for it. For all the silliness of them, I'm incredibly partial to the Snow-Covered Forest and Snow-Covered Mountain-just unforgettable art. Norrit, too. Might have made my eyes glaze over, but the art always stood out to me

@tunczyk110 11 ай бұрын

nothing like kicking back after an fnm with the resleevables 😎

@grantwoodfin4725 11 ай бұрын

The editing is fantastic for this. So good and funny.

@ericsmith7887 11 ай бұрын

This series is amazing! I literally drop everything to watch new episodes.

@jeremyjohnson9053 11 ай бұрын

Always so hype for every episode.

@bart0nius 11 ай бұрын

this episode came out SHOCKINGLY fast. i’ve been so excited to hear you guys talk about this set

@willl793 11 ай бұрын

Legendary duo. So glad you guys started a pod / YT show. Amazing topics for far too

@AllGone 11 ай бұрын

Dark Ritual from ice age has the best art

@CleazyMane-ef2cg 11 ай бұрын

This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. I hope y'all grow and extend your reach. This series has been very informative, entertaining, and genuinely interesting. Thanks y'all, keep up the good work.

@neimaddamienjackson9256 11 ай бұрын

One of my favorite podcasts! Always a pleasure

@fancypanda98 11 ай бұрын

Love the episodes. One suggestion would be a section at the end of the awards called “Notables” to just mention any other powerful cards or influential cards from the set

@hermodnitter3902 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, like Zuran Orb was a major card from this set. Reprint of Icy as well.

@karlk5801 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, when we are talking about all the random cycles and mirrored pairs I am like "how are these notable? Talk about cards we remember or are cool."

@EltWilder 10 ай бұрын

Could be fun for sure.

@Penfold67 11 ай бұрын

I audibly gasped when I saw a new episode posted.

@prootybaby5191 11 ай бұрын

I work at an LGS, and put these up on the TV on loop the day they come out. This series is a genuine treat

@Chocolate83Bunny 11 ай бұрын

YEEEES LETS GO

@paulknapp9102 11 ай бұрын

Me tooooo

@Herintruththelies 11 ай бұрын

I didn'r

@thejollyrajamtg9847 11 ай бұрын

HARD same.

@85mcarnold 11 ай бұрын

Ice Age gets way too much hate. I really think it course corrected a lot of the errors that WotC made with the early expansions. They’re still figuring out the formula here but you can tell they’re improving things without just power creeping it all.

@tysonkrehnke2835 11 ай бұрын

There's a few 10/10 ideas, a few 0/10 ideas. Many 5/10 ideas. But the concept is amazing. So I feel like it should grade higher than other earlier sets. I don't think it's all that bad.

@GabAssbreaker 11 ай бұрын

Best MtG podcast ever... Best TCG podcast ever tbh

@julias01 11 ай бұрын

Last time I was this early, it was the Ice Age

@dingdongs5208 2 ай бұрын

The best part about this episode was Pat settling into a trance to the tune of Cedric going through walls of text

@christopherlundgren1700 11 ай бұрын

The best thing about Jester’s Cap was playing it with some kind of graveyard recursion to gradually take all of the relevant cards out of their deck so they’d draw nothing but blanks.

@brianstephens8337 26 күн бұрын

It's so wild to watch them talk about Meteor Shower because in a way, that WAS the card that got me into magic. I fell in love with Fireball and the idea of X spells in Fourth Edition as a kid, and then Meteor Shower just convinced me that they were the best idea ever to build a deck around. Guess I was a math nerd even at eight years old.

@Kaisingsens 11 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the work you put in to give us this great series! When you're finished this will be such a great compendium for future generations.

@josefranciscodasilvaeolive674 4 ай бұрын

My favorite set of all time! Excellent content gentlemen! Keep up the great work.

@Lasergunjesus 11 ай бұрын

I have "fond" memories of playing a Zur's Weirding/Firemane Angel control deck when both were legal in standard. Some opponents had so little idea what Weirding did that they would play out a few more turns of the game, drawing no more cards, in a sort of daze.

@targetplayer 11 ай бұрын

Best Limited common: Lava Burst uncommon: Icy Manipulator rare: Stormbind also, InQuest's worst card in the set was Elkin Bottle, not Necro

@mkipps21 3 ай бұрын

I share Cedric's love for Ice Age. My first card I fell in love with was Scaled Wurm, for the same reasons. It was huge and had great artwork!

@hermodnitter3902 11 ай бұрын

Love this set. Started playing july '95 and I remember opening a Moor Fiend from my first pack, and I thought it looked so awesome!

@HeyApples 11 ай бұрын

My pick for blowout limited card is Ray of Command. Basically every combat declaration has to considered under the lens of "what happens if they steal one of my creatures in combat and use it to block the others." There are higher impact cards like Fire Covenant which can be 3 mana Plague Wind. But Ray of Command at common means you experience it frequently.

@jensschlafen9174 11 ай бұрын

New episode of Resleevables, guess my next 2 hours is spoken for

@bekeleven 11 ай бұрын

Shanodin Dryads was errataed from a Nymph to a Dryad in 6th edition. However, they eventually split the difference, as its present creature type is Nymph Dryad! Since updated creature types were being mentioned, I'd say Pat gets the bonus points there. As a fun fact, almost the exact same thing happened in 2020. Theros Beyond Death had a cycle of Theros's 5 varieties of Nymphs across the colors, with an Alseid, a Naiad, a Lampad, an Oread, and a Dryad. All five were printed with creature type Nymph. But after public outcry, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove - once again, a green Nymph - was errataed to Nymph Dryad.

@andygoody2599 7 ай бұрын

Ice Age was my first set. I was too young to unerstand the rules but we LOVED the art and flavor. We'd make up our own rules to play. Then 4 years later my friend group actually knew how to play and i got hooked ever since.

@xxdarkgeminixx 11 ай бұрын

I'm so indescribably happy to see this series pop up in my feed. My PSully-signed playset of Price of Progress is still over of the showcases of my collection.

@jenniferwilliams9612 11 ай бұрын

2:02:49 I just love how Necropotence was literally declared the worst card in the set by Inquest, only to then warp the entire game around itself, and be banned or restricted in every format except type II (for reasons that I will never understand, it didn’t catch a ban in Type II). The inquest part seems to be mostly lost to history, and I tell people about it occasionally to get a good laugh out of that fact!

@deeterful 11 ай бұрын

If I'm not mistaken, this set has the highest volume of color hosers. The Talismans are all named after stones.

@makingnoises2327 11 ай бұрын

Shocked Ice Cauldron didn't even get considered for weirdest card!

@violetto3219 11 ай бұрын

[looks it up] im not reading all that but im sorry that happened. or im happy for you. idk

@kinginthenorth1437 10 ай бұрын

@@violetto3219 As I recall in the 90s we also didn't feel like reading Ice Cauldron. Necropotence was the massive wall of text we were interested in and had strong opinions about.

@wolfwing1 6 ай бұрын

I will defend cumilitive upkeep as a theme. It could be seen as the snow cumiliating. So every day there is more snow, as it's in an ice age, so the numbers grow, thawing and such make more sense towards alliances and such once the snow starts to melt.

@JesGolbez 10 ай бұрын

As an old fogey, I am loving these retrospectives

@jeroenvaneekeren 11 ай бұрын

Fantastic show again, thanks

@mymoviesbetter8466 9 ай бұрын

Everytime the Resleeveables theme hits I'm grooving

@thedoctorbob7 11 ай бұрын

I loved snow covered lands back then. They seemed special and thematically cool. Even though they had like no real mechanical differences.

@earlofdrumer1851 5 ай бұрын

Iconic set which deserves more credit. ❄🤘❄

@captawesome42 11 ай бұрын

excited for a lore consultant. it's become easily one of my favorite parts of the game and as we get closer to more modern sets it's going to be super important. i also think it's great for people who may not usually pay attention to it to be introduced, i think a good number of them will find themselves pleasantly surprised and interested

@clelvis225 11 ай бұрын

this might also be the set I cracked the most of, looking for first Stormbind and then Necropotence....yes, I thought Stormbind was insane and Necropotence was garbage....thankfully by the time I realized my mistake I had a few copies of Necropotence already...but this was also an easy way to get Swords and Incinerate for all my decks so I have no regrets...many after school days and weekends spent cutting grass and hauling trash in my neighborhood for spare change to buy packs of Ice Age...

@michaellouis9120 11 ай бұрын

I love when Patrick dances like he’s listening to jazz as Cedric reads “bangers” 😂

@thejollyrajamtg9847 11 ай бұрын

I am legit terrified of how the Homelands episode is gonna go.

@spartanlink_047 11 ай бұрын

@27:50 yeah, you definitely need a lorebrarian. Let me know where to send my resume. It's not relevant to writing but I love the lore of MTG

@mpetry8470 11 ай бұрын

I pulled a Jester’s Cap when it was the chase card of the set. I was king among the 7th grade geeks!!

@josephvansickle67 11 ай бұрын

I think the best limited card in the set is Icy Manipulator. Runner ups: Skull Catapult Fire Covenant Binding Grasp

@bobbyz5443 11 ай бұрын

Jester’s Cap pack art was the most memorable for me

@nikoazure5235 9 ай бұрын

I understand the attachment to polar kraken on a deep level. My first card was a Rot Wolf and that card has always ALWAYS lived with me despite being a 3 mana 2/2 with infect draft chaff

@unclerobbieslug 8 ай бұрын

Here we go! My favorite set! Been playing scince ice age! SCALED WURM BABY! the art was perfect in this set, even the the bulk cards were beautiful.

@DuderBoo6 11 ай бұрын

I also have the same love for Polar Kraken, my first magic cards were two boosters and a starter of Ice Age and I opened a Polar Kraken in my starter. Not too long after I was introduced and started gaming with the one Cedric Phillips. Had to pop on the Ocean Avenue album and Tall Cans after watching this episode to close the nostalgia loop.

@alessandroboscaini8424 11 ай бұрын

I think Demonic Consultation is the best commander card in the set due to the fact that’s part of the best wincon of decks including blue and black when paired with Thassa’s Oracle

@Charlizardine 11 ай бұрын

One thing I do enjoy about snow lands is it is IMO a better way to do something like Imperiosaur, making it that you must use a basic land to cast something/ activate an ability, and then having the option to have stuff like the ETB tapped snow duals be able to fix your "basic lands matters" deck, rather than just having to use basic lands, if that make any sense. I tried to make a little fan made set file that was basic lands matter once a LONG time ago. Modern Horizons and Kaldhiem's snow themes did a lot of the things I tried to design better by using snow instead.

@jenniferwilliams9612 11 ай бұрын

I started playing Magic within a month or so of Ice Age being released, IIRC. So yeah, the newest sets when I started playing were Ice Age and 4th edition. Ice Age is the first set that I got current packs of, and my first tournament was Ice Age sealed deck, which I was bad at, and in retrospect, as a limited format, was awful! But this set is still a ton of nostalgia for me!

@ChrisMontgomeryCM 11 ай бұрын

To answer your question about the best Limited card(s) in Ice Age: It's Fire Covenant, which was printed at Uncommon. Just an absolutely busted card for limited play; it is one of the VERY few cards I had to cut from my Peasant Cube for power-level reasons (the others are Sol Ring, Mana Drain, etc.) The runners-up for that position are Icy Manipulator (old reliable), Karplusan Yeti (repeatable small-creature removal on a playable body, in context), Skull Catapult (MUCH stronger back when you could put combat damage on the stack), and Hecatomb (find 4 trash creatures to sacrifice, and then you basically just win the game).

@shawnkayian8241 5 ай бұрын

DaHump! that dude was my MTGO rival back in the day. Awesome listen.

@EbonAvatar 11 ай бұрын

I love Polar Kraken so much. And honestly on the scale of other big creatures with drawbacks at the time, it's not that bad. Now I'm not saying it's GOOD, but compare Kraken to things like Leviathan, Colossus of Sardia and Force of Nature. Polar Kraken is WAY better than them. Sacrificing lands each turn isn't that bad when you already needed 11 lands to cast it in the first place, and it only needs to attack once or twice anyway

@moxavenger 5 ай бұрын

For casual players, this is actually the set that saved Magic, not Alliances. It was so huge it allowed players to try out new cards all the way until the next set release. Lots of fun experiments from this set.

@tysonkrehnke2835 11 ай бұрын

I can't wait for the podcasts coming up where pro tours exist and grand prixs. I miss the stories about tournament winners and what Cedric and Patrick did then. Either way the videos are awesome. Keep on keeping on

@blade6321 11 ай бұрын

Suggestion: During the awards ceremony, after you've revealed your picks/the award (i.e during the discussion afterwards) could you keep the award/name of the award on screen somewhere? Sometimes I forget what award y'all are debating/discussing and it'd be nice to have a glance and see the name or icon and that might jog my memory. Doesn't need to take up much screen real esate. That's also just on me for having a short attention span/being easily distracted though!

@danweiss2384 11 ай бұрын

Woot! Friday present for me!!

@EltWilder 10 ай бұрын

That part where Patrick couldn’t guess the counters was hilarious.

@alexspeedwagon3701 4 ай бұрын

"You've never heard of them referred to as 'The East Coast Playtesters.'" Me, a long-time Drive to Work listener: "Always have been."

@JD-gk7eh 11 ай бұрын

Started playing in 1997 and early in my days, I wanted to play Snow-Covered Lands because I liked the art on them over 4th Edition Lands and Mirage (that's all the choices we got, 3 sets of lands). I was told not to because of cards like Icequake and Thermokarst, which were just in people's decks, and you could just get punished for no gameplay reason. I've never really gotten over that, actually, and every time I think to include snow lands, I think of whether they might just bite me somehow (now, they don't, which feels strange too). That's another big part of the failure, I think, that Snow-covered lands fail as a "hey, this is neat" aesthetic because of the random punisher cards.

@scythe0925 11 ай бұрын

I preordered a box of 10 starters of Ice Age. It was the first set I would say I played the game "seriously". It was so exciting that they had reprints, and OMFG you dont have to pay for basic lands? (like basics were betweeen 0.25 and 1.00 EACH in my area back then), Thank you for the amazing content!! Subbed!

@memyself3510 4 ай бұрын

Slow trips are kinda flavorful for the set too..kinda reflects the way cold slows everything down

@targetplayer 11 ай бұрын

hey now, Disharmony from Legends did temporary control before Ray of Command... nevertheless this is my favorite Magic series on YT. Fantastic work.

@tecapran 11 ай бұрын

I started playing days before this set dropped. Reality Twist was the first rare I pulled from a pack. I tried so hard to lock people with Necro, Weirding, Ivory Tower, and Fountains of Youth. Also blocked a lot of Serra Angels and Sengir Vampires with Woolly Spider. Those days were amazing.

@andrewdavis3291 10 ай бұрын

I also received Norritt as a promo (with Wizard Magazine). It's the reason why I got into the game at all, as silly as that sounds. After reading that rules text I just had to know how to play the game it came from.

@ashrog82 11 ай бұрын

Ice Age was my first set. I learned to play with a starter deck, straight out of the box, all five colors. I can still remember how the cards smelled and felt the first time I took them out. I think Elvish Healer was the first card I laid eyes on in that deck. My local shop has two sealed Ice Age starters that are super tempting. But not worth the $100 price tag they currently have.

@admiralxytan1160 11 ай бұрын

Polar Kraken had the power to Summon Cedric. Seems pretty powerful

@Urros 2 ай бұрын

As someone who plays a lot of "competitive" edh. It's definitely demonic consultation or mystic remora for best edh card. Also, just discovered your channel through the BoshNRoll's, and just love the content you put out ❤

@BOOGIEthefunk 11 ай бұрын

I love this show so much

@jenniferwilliams9612 11 ай бұрын

3:39 I started playing with 4th edition (sigh, I missed dual lands) but 4th starters had designated basic land slots because basics were on a separate sheet, and starters were the only way to get 4th basic lands.

@bdenneysr85 11 ай бұрын

New resleavables!! Let’s go!!

@nicholaslott4575 7 ай бұрын

My first Stompy deck was a bunch of birds of paradise, scribe sprites, llanowar elves, mons goblin raiders, ornithopters, concordant crossroads, and this guy. And you could usually swing for lethal on literally turn 4.

@nicholaslott4575 7 ай бұрын

The Marton Stromgald.

@pdieraue 11 ай бұрын

By the way, the names of the talismans are not made up Magic words. They're actual English words for materials that are actually used to make jewelry.

@Elyvilon 11 ай бұрын

Re the critique of the Lava Tubes Cycle: They did that in Champions, with Lantern-Lit Graveyard et al.

@FiboSai 11 ай бұрын

For those who want to know a little more about the Ice Age prerelease, I would recommend Marc Rosewaters podcast episode about it. Marc also played at that tournament, attending it as a reporter. He probably would have made top cut if he didn't drop out due to his coverage responsibilities.

@giggz1667 11 ай бұрын

i love ice age counterspell

@kastrya3485 11 ай бұрын

Hearing Cedric talk about polar kraken reminds me of me and tajuru pathwarden; 5/4 vigilance trample for 4G and was a powerhouse in the first constructed deck I made. Sometimes it is just "big creatures"

@hermodnitter3902 11 ай бұрын

Honorable mention: Zuran Orb !!!

@jenniferwilliams9612 11 ай бұрын

2:06:39 According to a story going around my game store back in the days of Ice Age is that Jester ‘s Cap is also a self portrait of Dan Frazier.

@TheFranchise83 9 ай бұрын

I love the art on Karplusan Yeti from 9th Edition so much I bought a foil.

@Yurioh 11 ай бұрын

Love every second of this. Also love/hate ice age, but at least the basic lands are all bangers

@r4v4g3r 11 ай бұрын

I get to play Arena while watching the best podcast in the world? It’s a good night.

@maximuscesar 10 ай бұрын

I remember Zur's Weirding in Ravnica standard (best standard ever, so many decks) in Firemane Control.

@Nublyk 11 ай бұрын

Drew Tucker made some awesome art.

@danacoleman4007 7 ай бұрын

Yes!!!

@spybloom 5 ай бұрын

1:24:23 Old Magic Things (tm) - two cards that are almost exact mirrors of each other, but their abilities in the text are switched for no good reason

@SamJawBone 11 ай бұрын

Awesome episode, I still love Ice Age despite how bad or unfun a lot of its card mechanics are. I guess my nostalgia is based on the art and the 'feel' of the cards, it was also one of the very first sets I bought packs of at my local comic store, it was all so new and exciting back then.

@KellyUnekis 11 ай бұрын

Fylgja was also a misprint in Ice Age, it was printed with the old white mana symbols. If I remember correctly this was because it was a preview card in one of the old magazines. Edit: HAHA, I should watch the whole video.