Happy Friday! Who is your favorite Ice type? (I actually do like Cubchoo it's cute

One of my biggest grievances with Ice is how long it takes to find them in the game. Up until Sun and Moon, it was near impossible to find an Ice type until late game since Pokemon always put icy areas as late game locations. The biggest showcase of this is how terribly Glaceon was treated compared to Leafeon. One of them gets their rock in the first or second forest and the other waits till super late game. It's not even like most Ice types are good like Dragon, another rare type.

I am so tired of tanky Ice types. They literally never work and the closest an Ice type has gotten to being slow but not garbage is Mamoswine with me struggling to call something with 80 base speed slow. Ice has far too many weaknesses to make tanky Pokemon work.

I think Ice should resist Electric since ice is a good insulator. It wouldn't be too big of a buff, but anything helps and it would make sense.

1. I wish we could get an early game with dragon and ice types 2. Ice is like the inverse of poison. Where poison is bad offensively but pretty good defensively, Ice has terrible defence but good offence. It would be better if the types just had Pokemon with stats built to help them. Weavile is the best ice type because it's made to be an attack unlike most ice types that are trying to be defence or have a more all around stat build.

Ice’s only value in games for me tends to be putting ice beam on a water type. I’ve only ever used one ice type in any play through and that was Alolan Ninetales

It's also important to remember that in Gen 1, Ice had a de facto strength against Rock because all of the Rock-type Pokemon that you had to battle were dual-type with either Ground or Flying. The Kabutops and Omastar lines were fossils that you never had to battle in the game. So Ice really had 5 offensive advantages in Gen 1. Ice was up there with Psychic types in terms of being OP offensively. I didn't even realize that Ice wasn't strong against Rock until deep into playing Pokemon Crystal.

Ice really needs a massive overhaul -First off, stop trying to make them defensive. We get it, Lorelei needed to seem tough, but that was 26 years ago. -keep snow and add a 30% boost to physical defense. Also retire hail and have the hail based abilities carry over to snow. -Remove the resistance water has to it. Make it resist water, too. Also take away steels resistance and in return, steel isn't super effective. Metal breaks ice, but cold makes metal brittle -keep frostbite and retire freeze completely Please. Ice needs to be more than just "Ice Beam for coverage" type EDIT: well Scarlet and Violet are out and the snow and stat things came true. Nice.

I really wish they actually made more ice types that capitalize on Ice’s great offense potential rather than keep making defensive ice mons who can’t capitalize on it because of their lack of any real resistances. Ice could also desperately use a buff in Hail, & maybe give them 1 or 2 resistances. Maybe to common attacking types like Water or Electric perhaps?

Ice resisting water would make some sense, there are places in the earth that water is completly frozen in seconds, so it's not like water will always win. Also, resistance against steel would be good too, cold environments can damage machines

I always hated that so many water types get ice beam, as it screws up the grass fire water trinity and just makes water the best. I think defensively, just a couple of buffs is all ice needs. Something simple like a couple resistances to water, flying, or dragon would drastically improve their survivability. Offensively, adding that snow weather effect to hail would help a lot (or rather, the opposite: all pokemon that aren't ice types get a speed drop in hail).

I think what would be an interesting is if they made the Ice type gain a resistance to Water type moves, but made Scald super effective against ice types. This would allow an interesting relationship where ice and water resist each other, but also have a special move made to be super effective against each other. Also, they should make ice type resist ground type attacks, so that they actually have common offensive moves to switch in on and threaten a type (that they are super effective against) with KO, instead of switching in and just dying.

I still think the best fix for Ice it to make it resist Fairy and be super-effective to it... It makes sense to nerf Fairy a little meta-wise, while the lore also makes sense as most fairies in tales hate the cold

They really need to introduce more ice types that can take advantage of their offense instead of trying to rely on defense that they don't have. Unfortunately it's not looking good on this front because Cetitan seems to be yet another slow defensive ice type.

Think the biggest flaw with Ice types is its staple mechanic; Hail. It does deal chip damage, yet it does not buff the power of Ice type moves, same as Sandstorms for Ground types. If Hail had similar mechanics as Rain or Sun, it'll greatly bolster an Ice type's viability.

I like the concept of Ice being a Glass Cannon, but that ain't gonna work if is resisted by so many types and is mostly slow Since most of the reliable attackers are physical, they can't use Freeze Dry so at least only 3 types resist it. The buffs PLA introduced are neat but maybe a 50% Speed is too much and may break the entire meta

Making ice resist water and/or ground and maybe a 1.5x defense buff in hail definitely could make the type a bit more viable

I’ve pitied the ice type so much for so long that it’s actually now become one of my more favored out of the 18. Now if only I could use an ice type in the early game, oh wait, any early game options in the entire history of the main series either have little to no variety, are dependent on RNG that you can’t work around without manipulating factors outside of the game, or are just straight up bad. I’ve dreamed of getting a region where we actually start off in a snowy area, like a small town at the top of a mountain or in a snow blanketed countryside.

The terastalize mechanic in Scarlet and Violet may actually help the ice type. A pokemon with really high offenses and speed could become ice type during battle.

I pray to god they don’t shy away from adjusting type matchups, ice is so hilariously one sided compared to the other 17

The Ice type may be flawed but they feature some of my favorite Pokémon like Dewgong, Lapras, Beartic, Froslass, Weavile, and Galarian Darmanitan. However note that the majority of those I listed are dual types. Plus as a move offensively Ice gives great coverage.

One of ice types largess problems is the fact that most ice types are locked towards the end of the game. The first ice type I used on a team was in Pokémon Renegade platinum, where Drayano made the genius decision to add a route 216 side quest where you could get ice types before the 2nd gym instead of after the 6th. GF should seriously learn a thing or two from these rom hackers, because it’s not like people don’t want Glaceon, Froslass, and Weavile on their early game teams.

not having physical ice type STAB was only one of the things holding Kyurem-Black back though. with Heavy-Duty boots it can safely come in against entry hazards, and with it getting Dragon Dance it can attempt to patch up it's mediocre speed. Considering it's bulk it's very likely that it can

Ice breaks almost as easily as a twitter user

When it comes to "worst type" these 5 comes to mind: -Bug (common weaknesses even when only 3 of them, resistances don't matter when Ground and Fighting get Rock coverage, resisted by half the types, mostly dogshit mons) -Ice (4 common weaknesses, only resist itself, mostly slow mons that make the weakness problem worse. Great offensively tho) -Rock (5 weaknesses with 4 of them being super common STAB or otherwise, 4 resistances when half of them don't matter, STAB moves that have a chance of missing, mostly slow mons also making the weakness problem worse. Great offensively, pretty similar to Ice overall, they also have the infamous Stealth Rock the type is best known for) -Grass (5 weaknesses with 3 of them being common, resisted by half the types, mostly slow mons with either none existent movepools or dual-typings that don't work for them, best set of resistances of the contenders as well as interesting support moves) -and Poison (resisted by 6 types, only super-effective against Fairy and said Grass, weak to the ever prominent Ground, decent/solid defensive typing but mostly outclassed by Steel

How I'd buff Ice Type. 1. Give it resists to Water and Dragon. Actual defensive utility is needed. 2. Change Hail so it gives a physical defense boost of 50% to ice types like how rock types get +50% spdef in sand. 3. Change freeze to frostbite from legends arceus and make a Will o Wisp equivalent move that inflicts it relaibly.

Remove ice's fire weakness, restore its fire resistance and add a water immunity as a hard counter to water moves and ice would suddenly be usable as both offensive and defensive pokemon. There's no reason for Ice to be this fragile when there are other types with just as much power and utility like water, dragon and fairy. Water types also shouldn't have access to ice type moves unless they are part ice type. Water types getting access to ice just destroys the supposed grass, fire, water triangle. Hail and freeze should be reworked too. I'm not familiar with any changes in the recent games when it comes to Hail but Frostbite from Arceus is a perfect rework of Freeze.

I think ice could logically resist grass, bug, flying, fairy, and maybe even electric. It needs a serious defensive buff

And yet Ice Beam is still one of the best moves in the game.

Great video, but at least ice has the benefit of being remembered by a lot for being the worst, plus having a ton of sick designs every generation. However, my bet for most mistreated type goes to poison. Poison, my favorite type, barely even used a nice anymore. Aside from technically getting no legends until Gen 7 via Ultra Beasts, it’s usually been stuck with just pretty alright moves, and most Pokémon locked to early game bugs. While there’s absolute standouts like Toxicroak and Drapion, most of the other poison types are remembered for their other types first and foremost. Look at Gengar for example, who always gets focus on the ghost half and rarely poison. Toxic being able to be TMed onto almost every Pokémon doesn’t help either. So, what I’m saying, is that I think finding out what happened with poison could make for another wonderful video.

Ice types are probably at their best when they hit fast, and hard (Being just bulky doesn't help much when you don't resist anything) Which is probably why pokemon like Mamoswine, Weavile and Kyreum Black are considered some of the few excellent ice types in the higher tiers

For me I think a simple way to fix the issue with ice types is to give it more resistances for sure but ones that wouldn’t be so left field. If ice is hard as “rock”I think a simple fix would give it same resistances in flying 100% but normal wouldn’t be op either. I can see water being both resisted by both types as well! Flying is such a strong type and attacking stab for some types but there are only TWO types that resist flying out of 18! Crazy to me ice with its plethora of high defense when flying is mostly physical would work in ice types favor

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Ice may be weak, but it’s still my favorite type tied with fairy. Makes it weird that I don’t like Alolan Ninetales much.

My biggest annoyance with the ice type is the stats of a lot of ice types. With the type chart, you’d assume this type would be best suited as glass cannons, with ice Pokémon having high attacks and speed. However, majority of ice types out there that don’t even break 100 speed, which is a very common speed tier in competitive. There are usable ice Pokémon below base 100, but all of them are only good because of other qualities. Also edit: I’d argue that freeze is actually one of the best statuses, or at least competitively. In a lot of situations, freeze can change the tide of battle and can essentially put a Pokémon out of commission. It’s like getting a paralysis every turn, and in theory it can be infinite. Also cryogonal and rotom frost are still affected by stealth rock

Respect for using Tantal (day) in an ice type video as background music. Very nice touch

Why didn't ice EVER resist dragon when it was one of the only types that was super effective man like... cmon gamefreak :/ Then you make a whole new type to do the job and make ice pokemon worse in the process

I really like these type dissection videos. Ice is in my top five favorite types. Lapras is still peak design for me, even after over 20 years of playing Pokemon (oh god, 2000 was over 20 years ago. I just wish we got faster Ice types that were usable other than Weavile, Cryogonal is cool and all, but its middling special attack does not make up for its paper-thin defense the same way Weavile's Attack does. From a competitive perspective even in lower tiers unless I'm running hail I usually just go with Ice coverage rather than an Ice type. Side note: the use of Tantal's BGM through the video was a nice touch.

Regice actually used to be very good in gen 3 singles, although it's use has decreased (on gen 3)

*Ways to balance ice* : +50% def boost in hail +10% chance to freeze in hail Freeze status now inflicts damage and cuts sp atk. Ice now resists water or ground and fairy (similarly as fire resists fairy, we can deduce, fairies hate extreme temperatures). New abilities: glacial power (solar power in hail, without losing hp if mon is pure ice type). Ice scales now doubles def instead of the regular x 1,5 in hail. Ice body also cures from status in hail.

Ice type has also been getting a sorta hidden nerf as they continue to make fairy types more and more op. Fairy types are incredibly prevalent in competitive right now because of how strong so many of them are. This in turn makes steel more prevalent, in order to counter all the op fairies. With more and more steel, it gets harder and harder for ice types to survive the meta.

And here we are in gen 9 with with ice buffed with hail being changed to snow and now granting physical defense boost to ice types. Granted there is no more chip damage with snow but well aurora veil is a thing.

This type needs to be fixed, mostly with the defense and please keep frostbite for a condition

rock types get a 50% spdef boost in sand, and skill link isn't cloyster's hidden ability, overcoat is. other than that, good job on the research.

Fun fact: Ice types didn’t become immune to Sheer Cold until Gen 7. You could say that the decision-making process was moving at a…glacial pace.

Gen 9 Update -Hail now increases defense of Ice types instead of dealing chip damage. Also is called snow. -Slowking (and its galarian form) can pivot while setting snow with Chilly Reception. -4 new Ice tpyes are introduced 3 of them being ridiculously overpowered and the fourth one being the best snow abuser so far. -Ice tpyes can REMOVE thier Ice typing thanks to tera. This in practice isn't really good and besides Beartic in ZU (that was a bloodshed) is not quite a big deal. -A new reliable physical Ice move is introduced, is not the best but is at least better than Ice Punch. -Regieleki loves being an Ice type, he is Uber now.

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I think a few changes would help ice alot. 1. Honor its legacy as the dragon slayer and give it super effective against fairy and make it resist both fairy and dragon. 2. Have some early game ice for a change, the earliest i know is Unova with cubchu and vanilite. (Post gym 4) 3. Fix gamefreak's eternal problem of pokemon's stats, movepools, and types just not making sense. (Gen 3 sneasle was murdered by not have the physical special split) 4. Figure out its weather effects, hail should do damage and make ice moves more accurate and powerful. Basically lean into ice as a weapon not a wall. Ps: my favorite ice types are cubchu, alolan sandslash, and sneasle despite their problems. (Although Beartic was amazing in my first run of black)

Well in gen 9 they threw the ice type a bone with overpowered ice types like iron bundle and baxcalibur, gave physical ice types a decently strong move in the form of ice spinner, the snow weather which increases the defense of ice type pokemons by 50% and an actually bulky ice type in the form of cetitan. Unfortunately freeze is still in gen 9

Yeah, I love Ice types. They would be one of my favourites. If Gamefreak's balancing team didn't hate them... no reason for the type chart to treat them so bad. It's like they get shafted to make others like Steel and Ground and Fighting a bit better. And of course, like electric, movepool is a bit weak...

In gen 1 especially Nintendo cup 1997 Ice was one of the BEST types in the game including defensively! Due to Blizzards absolutely chilling 30% freeze rate just about everything with access to it was using it, and well Ice was the only thing immune to it meaning that Lapris was often a way better wall then the likes of Chansey because all non Ice types tended to get left out in the cold. Furthermore I must add that due to all defensive stats being maxed out in gen 1 it was more common for "frailer" pokemon to effectively use rest to wall neutral attacking opponents. Besides the physical attacks like body slam you usually would always have Psychic, Ice, and Electric attacks coming your way. Ever heard of Bolt/Beam? Yeah well because of these traits many defense types could be measured by their interactions with those 3 attacking types. When looking at Ice you see it's neutral against Psychic and Electric while resisting Ice. Surprisingly enough that's actually incredibly good defensively and Ice types like Jynx could run rest to completely wall Bolt/Beam users like Starmie and Chansey (while also resisting the powerful Psychic moves which is even more rare and valuable) Jynx funny enough has arguably the BEST defensive typing in all of gen 1!

Yes you can put ice in your water and it melts, but leave a glass of water on a glacier and it's a glass of ice in the morning. Also, favorite Ice Type is Froslass, who deserves a secondary ability besides Snow Cloak that's basically a boost in offense when Hail is on the field

Forgot to mention that in gen 1 if you got frozen you were basically fucked cause you would never thaw out.

I think type synergy would be more important in improving ice. The main types in most teams steel,ground and water have synergy with each other in dealing with stealth rocks and sand or being in them. So for example if Ice where to have a buff it would need to benefit another type so that team building isn't just ice and abilities. I think a good one would be fire and probably ghost being immune to hail. Lorewise fire type produce heat that melt hail and ghosts types like to lurk around in chilly places. gameplay reason is to help ice counter its weaknesses. Fire counters itself and steel while ghost counters fighting. fire ghost and ice also make an amazing offensive triad. Just like how ground rock and steel complete each other.

9:15 And then in Gen 9 Game Freak finally gives us a good, fast special-attacking Ice-type and its immediately banned to Ubers.

Ice surrounded by water melts. Water surrounded by ice freezes. I think there is a case for both types to resist each other.

Ice should gain resistance to dragon, flying, and ground. Plus be immune to ice! Also water should be neutral not resist ice. Plus Hail should boost ice type defense like Sand does for rocks.

If you pour a cup of water in antarctica, it’s just gonna turn into ice. It should be a 2-way resist like bug and fighting.

Wait, they reworked Hail in Legends Arceus too? I knew about Freeze/Frostbite but Hail too? Also *HOLY CRAP THAT CUTSCENE* (8:49) :O What's the music you put in the background?

it sucks cuz ice is one of my all time fave types due to how limited and exclusive they are (even though they shouldn't be in the first place) and i really love their designs but everytime i use one on my team it's mostly a liability due to how little i can use it because it has so many weaknesses

As bad as they may be, Ice is one of my favorite types to use in a playthrough

Gamefreak kept hearing that we needed more Pokémon like Weavile so they just outclassed Weavile with Chien Pao

I run an all-ice type team on sword and silver. Alolan ninetails, weavile, darmanitan, alolan sandslash, froslass, and lapras. They've done pretty well. 6-3 so far in comp battles and most of those wins were against teams with legendaries on them. Ice needs improvements, but there are some good ones in there. Darmanitan with choice scarf particularly and Lapras with gigantamax are really good.

Two things I appreciate: Type related content. Puns! Keep up the great work.

Tantal BGM suits a video talking about... Ice.

It's pretty insane considering how strong Ice is in the real world.

Subbed, how do I help make a history of fighting types video happen? Edit: You already did grass types. Good job.

Ice should have resistance of flying,bug, grass, and dragon. It also should be great if we gotten more moves that is super effective towards water types like freeze dry It's one of my favorite pokemon types with ghost as some pokemon I love like aloan Sandshrew and glaceon are part of that group.

Tl; Dr it only resists itself and is weak to everything under the sun, especially the sun. As a kid I used logic and deliberately avoided using water, grass, dragon and bug moves against ice. Imagine my astonishment at learn that those actually hit ice for neutral damage! Throw in lack of synergy and ice moves being so good you can forego STAB, ice typing is mostly a liability if you can't hit first and hard.

My comment is probably a bit similar to other comments. But, the improvements for this type are pretty clearcut, so naturally people will end up suggesting the same things. In short, ways to buff Ice-type: 1. Remove Freeze & put Frosbite from LA 2. could be immune to itself 3. A resistance to either Water or Ground type. Idk if it should resist both, as Ice could end up becoming better Grass type. & that type is already kinda weak 4. Make 'em available in early game

"Ice is nice" - Knack from Knack (2013)

Reminder that the best Ice Type the time I made this, is at the top not because Gamefreak is trying to shove some useless Ass Defensive Ice Pokémon, but rather made a Hyper Offensive one that can take advantage of what it has available. TLDR; Make Blizzards Gamefreak, not Icebergs

I think Ice should give neutral damage since water freezes water. It always bothers my ocd when two of the three starter types are resistant to ice and poor grass gets the shaft. Ice needs another resistance.

Gen 8 was maximum cope reaching critical levels when it comes to them not wanting to admit they need to ultimately change the type chart a bit to buff them. Fire isn't really tanky due to 3 key unfortunate weaknesses despite having more resists than so called "defense" types like poison, but its so nice to have all those because it gives gf alot more room to make various kinds of fire types that can actually have a chance to succeed without being hilariously busted or samey to compensate frailty

If they ever add a new type, Ice needs to resist it, and it must be weak to ice. I'd like it to be more balanced.

Here's what I think should change about the type chart. I think that Bug should become super-effective and resist Fairy, since it kinda makes sense with bugs maybe harming the fairies' habitats in the forest? Idk. Also, Ice should resist at least Water, and maybe even types like Grass or Ground. I am aware that Grass already kinda sucks as it is, so maybe Ground? I honestly don't know what it should resist other than Water, but I think these few simple changes would really balance things out quite a bit.

Tantal theme in Ice Type video? LET'S GOOOOOOOOO!

Gen 9 utilized most of these solutions in Iron Bundle, snow, and ice spinner.

I want ice types early game for once with the snowy town as starter town

Crabominable is my fave Ice type. Used it all the way towards the last champion battle, it was very tanky from what I remember

Poor Ice Types, sadly I've never used them in the games I've played. Being available so late except for like the traded Jynx in Kanto and only resisting itself make them way too niche. They really should have given Ice type resistance to at least bug, grass and ground type. This would make sense as glaciers can cut through things with just it's sheer weight alone and in the coldest regions of the world you see you vegetation and thus no bugs that live there. Flying could also be another type they could resist because you rarely ever see any flying birds in those really cold regions again.

Based on the Pokedex, most ice types know how to handle thier fire weakensses, there needs to be a new ability for ice types that make them good against fire since they wont fix the water ice resistance

I have been saying this for a while and Wolfe Glicke mentioned it somewhat recently, but Ice definitely should resist water.

I will say, Froslass is kind of a beast. She can be a really strong trick lead with destiny bond and cursed body

How I’d improve ice: 1. Water shouldn’t resist ice. 2. Ice should resist water. Maybe add a grass resist too? More resists could benefit all the ice tanks that we already have. 3. Hail needs to do more than just do damage to non-ice types. How about reducing non-ice speed or increasing ice’s defense (paralleling sand’s spdef increase to rock) 4. As stated *make an ice type that isn’t slow and tanky like who on the balance team looked at Glaceon and said “slow tank.”*

I think Ice should resist Electric since ice is a good insulator. It wouldn't be too big of a buff, but anything helps and it would make sense. They could also use their balance-reasons-only type and make Ice resist Fairy, but Fairy type offensive moves aren't incredibly common.

Honestly ice sucks especially defensively since it literally only resists it’s own type! So like types it’s good against it doesn’t even resist like grass or flying so an ice type that’s a dual type like ground or water would actually be weak to the type it’s good against!

I'd make Ice resist Water, Electric (as mentioned by @Cullen Hutchison), Dragon and Grass, combine Hail and Snow into one condition (which stacks with Slush Rush, no less). Ice should also always beat Water, so Freeze-Dry should instead... just get thrown out. For new Physical ice moves, I'd do one that's basically Grassy Glide for hail. Finally, for an Ice Special Attacker, I'd just do an angry ice sculpture. That'll do.

I remember a video about rebalace the types (by Latin KZfaqrs team Metapod para presidente), they suggested making Ice type resist Ground and Flying, wonder how much that would help them

I very much approve the use of Tantal’s music in this video. Best area in any video game imo

Maybe add a new weather attack called Snowstorm that works like PLA and add Frostbite to all Ice Attacks. They could keep Freeze but make it where Frostbite has a 15% Chance and Freeze has a 5%. Resisting Steel would be nice and maybe add Ice as a SE move to Steel since Ice can weaken Machines. Resisting Water would also be a nice move as well.

I would love a video on Electric types since Electric is one of my all time favorite types. Also, the thing that pisses me off the most about Ice types is that there are so many Ice type Pokémon I really like or want to use in a play through, but Ice’s myriad of flaws usually dissuades me from using them.

6:42 WELL a notable shout out in Gen 5 HAS to go Cloyster once again. He gained the absolutely busted move Shell Smash in that gen. Planting it in OU once again with the ability to sweep teams with moves like Icicle Spear and Rock Blast.

Slight correction, Skill Link isn't Cloyster's Hidden Ability, that would be Overcoat. However Skill Link is the hidden ability of the Aipom and Minccino lines.

Three ways to buff it: 1.) Make it resistance to water, but still have water resistant to ice. Give water a move like "frost breath". 2). Turn snonw back into hail, but keep the DEF buff. 3). Have it resist ground/dragon/electric. Idk someone else brought up why, I can't remember who.

8:30 What song was playing in the background please.

they need to scrap the freeze status and use Frostbite from PLA, it makes it Ice so much better, that halving of special attack? that is HUGE and puts on par on with Burn. make them IMMUNE to flying and then resist bug, grass and water and make them totally immune to frostbite to match the above fire type burn and finally rework the moves that have a chance to freeze to match the fire type equivalents and add an ice type will-o-wisp.

Well yeah, if you put a little bit of ice in some water it will melt, but if you put a little bit of water on some ice it will freeze.

Ice type Pokemon? Not good. Ice type moves? Very good.

I guess one thing ice has going for it is that Weavile is among the only things that can both outspeed and oneshot Cynthia's Garchomp without overleveling, which at least to me was a big deal when I was a 12 year old playing Platinum lol. Still, I always try to have a Weavile or Froslass in every team just because they are so cool.