IDEAL Networks Poe Pro Network Cable Tester / PoE Load Test

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@TheJonathanRaper 2 жыл бұрын

Around 13:54 you said the 32awg was slightly better because it tested 30.1w vs the standard cat 5 results of 29.9w at 51v. This isn’t true, the higher wattage usage is due to the higher resistance of the smaller wire. To figure this out you would use watts law (not ohms law) of W/VxR. Cat5e was 29.9w/51v equals a resistance of .586 32awg wire was 30.1w/51v equals a resistance of .590 So the resistance the power supply is having to overcome is higher with the smaller cable and is why the wattage was higher in order to compensate for the loss and maintenance the same voltage. However, this was a very small difference. Cable lengths over a long distance could add up to a very large difference in power consumption. Hope that helps understand the results.

@tuanbe 5 жыл бұрын

Another fine piece of extended unboxing! Love the simulation of real-life application. Price might be a bit steep at first sight but will save a lot of headaches during installations. I’m ordering one.

@joebleed 5 жыл бұрын

I've been using a VDV II Pro for a few years now i think. works well. now i want this one. I don't recall the VDV II Pro being able to load test. it does read some information about it. voltage and pins carrying. don't think it IDs the type of poe. Edit: just got to the portion of the video about toning on different pins/pairs. this has actually been useful for me. I've had issues due to noise tracking a cable. changing pins/pairs has helped. I kind of want to add this tester to my bag at work; but i kind of want a tester that will also power devices. i've expanded VoIP phones and poe cameras at work. sometimes i just run into odd issues where i wonder if it's power related, cable issue, or line ran past something very noisy. Or as more often, something gets moved or added to the plant floor that causes noise in an existing line.

@albertonyango1485 5 жыл бұрын

Am in the process of acquiring one but the VDV II Pro

@mason8714 3 жыл бұрын

Does the probe come with it? If not which one do you need to get ?

@unbekannterunbekannt926 3 жыл бұрын

can i test passive cable too? i mean is there a rj45 stick to plugin ?

@zukjeff Жыл бұрын

Good vid, reasonable tester but i need it to do LLDP negotiation and also load test 4 pair power with 4 pair data ( gig and above) to make sure the transformers are not in saturation because of return resistance imbalance.

@jacuzzi7 Жыл бұрын

Just was wondering how this tester compared to Klein VDV Commander. ? Which one is better option ?

@ItaliavsChile 4 жыл бұрын

We bought one in the firm and the tester dont really display AT standard only AF, and the equipment is well certified and complies with poe +, i send an email to support, but i wonder if these things need an upgrade

@pierrebeauregard5369 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Lawrencen ty for the vid. Having issue with dns and pfblockerng"facebook reddit complain about cert...'' id like to set a secondary pfsense on a spare laptop'''roomate werent to happy'' that as one nic, but cant seem to access the secondary pfsence unless I directly hook it to a pc. Would you mind doing a tuto how you did your pfsense behind your main router and still access all networks. Ty

@colm3131 Жыл бұрын

Can you share a link with me for exact model as seems to be a few

@brailyn 5 жыл бұрын

Does it load test passive PoE?

@n6dl321 6 күн бұрын

@james10739 5 жыл бұрын

Dang 90 watts I guess i did hear a couple years ago about them working on like hdbaset stuff that in the future we would have tvs that you could run just 1 cat5e or probably more like cat6 or bigger but for power for the tv and video and internet but they were claiming upto 100 w

@lowvoltagedude7837 5 жыл бұрын

You should have a option in your settings that lets You can change and set the correct distance of the particular cable being used. I think its propagation of attenuation meaning how fast electrons travel in a medium/copper. You can actually dial in that setting using a cable. just test a known footage marked on the cable that you have and dial in your tester. Have fun with the new tester 👍its a lot better than that Klein cable scout you been using for sure.

@dennisrossi2158 4 жыл бұрын

The testers has built-in TDR which means the correct NVP of the cable can (should) be dialed in to allow for accurate lenght measurements. However, plugging in the remote to the end of the cable gives you a much better lenght reading.

@le-manu298 3 жыл бұрын

Hi. Thanks for this. Can you change the measurement units into mm, cm or meters?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 3 жыл бұрын

Probably, most devices support both.

@philipcook7608 5 жыл бұрын

When you were looking at the manual there was a mention of the link speed test. You didn't mention it in the testing at all. I'm curious what kind of speed you'd get on that box of cable?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 5 жыл бұрын

It just does a link test, but not speed

@vvwording4844 5 жыл бұрын

Good info about PoE. I'm trying to enable the PoE from my (used) HP 1920-24G-PoE+ (180W) Switch, and the manual for my version (at least I think it's my version) says to use a crossover cable. Problem is, it seems there are several ways of wiring a crossover cable. I bought a box of crayons and started coloring the boxes (simple diagonal stripes for the White & Color-Name for 4x2, and heavy coloring - i.e. 3/16" - around the solid Color-Name plus coloring over the Color-Name for the other 4x2 looks worthy of being on a refrigerator door). I've made a total of 5 sheets and one is finished - it's labeled TIA/EIA and it's supposed to be for 568B at one end, and 568B 'Ethernet Crossover' for the other end. I'll use one of the other sheets with straight through 568Bs. So any suggestions as to which the three other sheets should be colored? (I'm in the USA, if that is important.) I need to practice crimping and I have a long piece of plain old CAT5 with staple holes, so I guess I should try them all. HP workstations have great support even for buyers of used workstations. Was the 1920 series developed by a different company?

@MikeJamieGavin 5 жыл бұрын

Cross over cable is pretty simple. Basically you swap the green and orange pair so that one end is wired to the TIA-568B scheme and the other end is wired to the TIA-568A scheme. This page has a nice picture: www.cctvcamerapros.com/CAT-5-Wiring-Diagram-s/293.htm As to your question about the PoE on the 1920, it's on page 478 in the manual: h20628.www2.hp.com/km-ext/kmcsdirect/emr_na-c04463799-4.pdf I don't see anything about using a cross over cable to do that.

@vvwording4844 5 жыл бұрын

@@MikeJamieGavin Thanks Mike Davis. I bought my switch used and the eBay seller couldn't tell me anything beyond telling me that she had several HP 1920's. I returned with a bid $5 less than the already low price and she accepted. My HP 1920 works great. But there are two big problems: I need to make sure that any 'Green' features are turned OFF (Audinate Dante has problems with anything 'Green'), and I want PoE. Those two features are controlled with the 'Web interface.' To get to that I went to page 6 which says: "...to log in to the Web interface of the device from a PC: 1. Connect the Ethernet interface of the device to a PC by using a crossover Ethernet cable..." So I'm stuck on page 6. That's because I found several diagrams that talked about 'Ethernet' and 'crossover' and they didn't all agree. I think the Wikipedia diagram en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable is probably the one I'll try first. Should be fun for somebody that avoided networks on purpose for years because multi-channel sound back then wanted the computer only for itself. Thanks, john

@Ressy66 5 жыл бұрын

the wires at that distances with power will not be much of a problem, the resistances wont alter too much untill you get really long runs and higher current. those thin cables will be far more of a problem data wise than power

@mullimulli6259 2 жыл бұрын

Does this tester indicate end to end faults ... which end needs re-terminating if a fault is found on cat 6?

@gencinbiri8085 2 ай бұрын

@richnoe19 5 жыл бұрын

Crazy question but what is the make of the 4U server case in the rack in the background. Been looking for that particular case

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 5 жыл бұрын

Review coming sooooooooooooon

@richnoe19 5 жыл бұрын

Cant't wait

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 5 жыл бұрын

I also can't remember the make and model right now and I'm on my phone...lol

@richnoe19 5 жыл бұрын

No problem... When you get a chance and can think of it let me know. By the way, your videos rock

@richnoe19 5 жыл бұрын

Did you every remember the make and model?

@jerrymiller8313 5 жыл бұрын

does the tester show which end of the cable a jack or plug miswire is on.It looks like it does but I did not catch it if you said so.

@dennisrossi2158 4 жыл бұрын

It's not possible to electrically determine at which end the miswire is, not even with a cable certifier. If it's a short or a open it tells you the distance from the main unit, though.

@CraigPowell 3 жыл бұрын

@@dennisrossi2158 So does that mean if a connector does not crimp properly you will know which end the issue is at with this? Im guessing it does as it will be a close distance or far distance?!

@dennisrossi2158 3 жыл бұрын

@@CraigPowell If it is an open pin or shorted pins, yes the tester will show the distance to the fault (in feet/meters). Please note that miswires (reversed, split, etc) cannot have their locations determined.

@davewilson1411 2 жыл бұрын

Deeper explanation. Picture the cable and connectors as individual segments. You have a jumper cable that is known to be good and wired correctly. You are testing a run with keystones on each end. In a nutshell, tester will send signal out pit pin 1, signal will go through pin 1 of jumper, through pin 1 of keystone, down the cable to the other keystone. Here, it will tell you whether the signal comes out through pin 1 of the keystone, or, if it comes out through a different pin. BUT, it's important to understand that it isn't able to test and determine if the first keystone was wired correctly. It literally just maps the ends, that 1 connects to 1, 2 to 2, 3 to 3, etc. If it says that pin 1 on the first end connects to pin 2 on the other end, obviously, that's wrong, but it can't tell you which end is right.

@JamesSturge 3 жыл бұрын

What about the Fluke Microscanner PoE against this Ideal product?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 3 жыл бұрын

I have not used the Fluke, but they do make really nice equipment.

@pokute1 5 жыл бұрын

nice video

@juri14111996 5 жыл бұрын

90watt isn't a lot more. Poe+ uses 2 pairs, poe 90 watt uses 4 pairs

@ItaliavsChile 4 жыл бұрын

Second unit for replacement just came today, try to connect to cisco poe + capable equipment and guess what!, same outcome. IDEAL customer support does not answer, i will be posting a video on my channel today.

@brilliancetventertainment9416 5 жыл бұрын

how is it measuring the length of the cable?

@kingrpriddick 5 жыл бұрын

Time-Domain Reflectometry (TDR) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-domain_reflectometer

@simonmccormick9096 3 жыл бұрын

~15min mark. Using a 30ft cable in a coiled up roll, would the voltage lift due to induction?

@notsure7874 2 жыл бұрын

The manual? Went to dinner with some friends, and the topic of "read the manual" came up - I said idk about you guys, but somebody hands me a manual, I look at it, say "yep, it's a manual!" and toss it :D

@skitterlad 3 жыл бұрын

This is a great video that shows power over these thin cables work just as well for these short distances. Have you tested BiDirectional simultaneous transmission of data to view throughput and any packet loss / cross talk? Compared to thicker cables. Can they handle simultaneous bidirectional 1gbe ? Also there are cat 6a cables being sold in slim form, can they really handle 10gbe simultaneous bidirectional? If you made this video, please post link since i have not seen it done yet.

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, not sure why so many people think they can't do bi-directional 1G or even 10G

@monsieurpoirot522 5 жыл бұрын

do you have any insights to the new USG?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 5 жыл бұрын

It's a firewall.

@leonardogyn 5 жыл бұрын

A very expensive firewall for what it does, actually.

@Limeayy 5 жыл бұрын

Doesn't Fluke make one?

@kingrpriddick 5 жыл бұрын

It is likely they will review competitors' options in the future, expect all the legit options to be similar in price and capability. Brand preference in professional tools is usually just that, a preference.

@avocadomangos 3 жыл бұрын

Does it speed test the internet speed??

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 3 жыл бұрын

@adventurish9197 5 жыл бұрын

Another great video. But does it stack up against the Klein commander lol

@kingrpriddick 5 жыл бұрын

Looks like that would be a good competitor, and ~$300 more expensive!

@adventurish9197 5 жыл бұрын

Brand preference would be fluke and that would be 1 gazillion dollars more for theirs lol

@kingrpriddick 5 жыл бұрын

@@adventurish9197 This is true, and it's a shame. At least they do almost always make a good product. Though even they have slipped lately.

@ashtenalexander5271 5 жыл бұрын

Similar to the Greenlee NC500 that I use

@kingrpriddick 5 жыл бұрын

Looks like that one has POE detection but not load testing, fyi

@tactical1013 5 жыл бұрын

Nice but yikes on the price.

@adhnaanyusuf8211 5 жыл бұрын

Price is to high

@mistersniffer6838 2 жыл бұрын

You giving me $400 for one? I will throw in the last $100

@NickyNiclas 5 жыл бұрын

A better way to say "wattage" is simply power.

@chucksw1 5 жыл бұрын

Like the Video, dont like the price of the tester....

@kingrpriddick 5 жыл бұрын

Meh, it's a professional tool at a price a professional should be able to afford

@raphaelacenas7305 4 жыл бұрын

B//abazz

@pepeshopping 5 жыл бұрын

$500? Too expensive for what it does! If it did bandwidth/frequency testing AND certification, it would be fine. I can do all these tests with 2 different equipment today (cheap) so I’ll wait for the $100 Chinese version..

@leonardogyn 5 жыл бұрын

Would you mind pointing me some Chinese brand on a good PoE tester?? Looking to buy one, but also on a NO NO NO for US$ 560 one

@mleesifu 5 жыл бұрын

There is a monoprice brand for under $100 for your no no $560.

@leonardogyn 5 жыл бұрын

@@mleesifu will look for that. Thanks!

@pepeshopping 5 жыл бұрын

Oh man...tempted to dislike based on the wrong information given: PoE has only 1 voltage! 44v to 54v (actually up to 60v that is considered “low voltage”). The PoE Class depends on POWER (amps) NOT VOLTAGE!! Yes, at the end is total power (volts x amps), but the PoE voltage does NOT change!! Is anybody else (informed) paying attention?!

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 5 жыл бұрын

You should do some more research on PoE. There are multiple voltages.

@garryholmberg6502 5 жыл бұрын

Perhaps your point was that PoE standards are describe in terms of wattage. But those standards also speak to voltage ranges -- different voltages. And even if there was only one voltage for active and one voltage for passive, that would still be two. Your own comment includes opposing statements, "PoE has only 1 voltage!" vs "44v to 54v (actually up to 60v..." . You second statement makes the first incorrect. Your other point was that PoE class is related to wattage, which was shown in Tom's video at the 2:44 minute mark when he walked through the manual. We all misspeak, I didn't catch whatever irritated you, but I did catch that Tom did catch himself when he misspoke and said "over time" and then corrected to "over distance". I doubt I would have caught it as I would have been too nervous being on camera, lol! Do you think you could explain a topic on the fly, while controlling multiple cameras at the same time without misspeaking here or there? Tom's KZfaq content is very educational, and he tells you stuff nobody else brings up. I have learned a lot and I am appreciative of his efforts. So give the guy a break and realize you too occasionally misspeak, as you did in your comment.