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Idols, Egos, and Inner Struggles: A Psychological Dissection of Oshi No Ko Episode 4

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@ArlanKels
@ArlanKels Жыл бұрын
I love that Aqua basically was the Director for his scene and the Assistant Director noticed, recognized, and respected him enough to work off of what he'd set up. It makes me wonder how well the drama could've gone if the Director hadn't been off smoking cigarettes non-stop. If it ever happens, Aqua as a director for a movie would probably be amazing. Dude already likes manipulating anyways.
@abednego_1254
@abednego_1254 Жыл бұрын
😀
@sojtus8681
@sojtus8681 Жыл бұрын
To be honest, I don´t think even had the director taken it seriously, there was much he could do. He would probably end up runing in to the same wall as Kana in terms of the models "acting". Granted had he been more involved and cooperated more with Kana, the overall acting might have been brought up from one star to two (three would probably be the highest limit of what anybody could get out of those amateurs). But that would probably also require way more reshoots. Which, based on their attitude, is something the models/actors did not seem likely to accept or something the producer would be willing to pay for.
@kubomagico8853
@kubomagico8853 Жыл бұрын
The psychologist (wizard) gives us another hours long oshi no ko video
@Graestra
@Graestra Жыл бұрын
Cassandra was an oracle cursed to never have her prophecies believed. Ed is a wizard cursed to never believe in his own ability as an oracle
@RenderingUser
@RenderingUser Жыл бұрын
39:02 Immortalise this moment
@kamikazeviking3053
@kamikazeviking3053 Жыл бұрын
Sorry of you already mentioned this somewhere in the 10 or so hours of analysis but: If you think of it; before Ai's death, Aqua interacted with Ruby more as an equal with the only real control being preventing her from doing something stupid. After Ai's death, he took on the role as older brother a lot more, which is a position of power.
@hana-chan5213
@hana-chan5213 Жыл бұрын
( Again great video 😀 as a Manga reader I wanted to add some of my observation to yours, about Aqua's goals in general ( No spoilers I promise!) The author is always giving us two possible interpretations of Aqua's character : the genuine side of him and the manipulative side. For the idol group : It is possible that Aqua had planned this all along... He had accepted Kana's invitation to go to the Karaoke to see with his own eyes if she can sing. You'd previously mentioned how amazingly he led Kana into confiding in him, and part of me believes he already knew all the answers she gave him, simply by watching the show, and his memories of her. I believe Aqua remembers Kana but didn't mention it, he knows she's a perfectionist (her crying when they were young) and that she's definetely not satisfied with the way things are going. Instead of telling her, "let me help you", he led her to ASK HIM for help. Later on, the way he introduced himself to Frill Siranui is very "Unjapanese" like. He didn't even mention his name, going on the assumption she would know him, AND knowing fully she did not know about Ruby, so that she would talk to her mom about idols auditions, and then him bringing the subject smoothly without making it obvious he had planned it all along. Now weather Aqua is helping Ruby, it could be that he really wants her to succeed, or he's using her as a part of his scheme and trying to raise her "value" as a pawn. For his actor career/revenge: The whole "I'll go with Sweet today" was both him attempting the second and shortest path that could lead him to Ai's killer (the other would be becoming a director but it would take a longer time) AND him genuinely enjoying acting and wanting to help Kana into making a great show.
@missinglegs
@missinglegs Жыл бұрын
About the thing you said about how Aqua's therapist must have sucked or the sessions were cut short. That's ont thing that pisses me off to no end, that SO MANY THERAPISTS SUCK, it's a travesty! At least in Poland, I can't even recommend people to go to therapy, because there are so few good therapists here! It's so sad to see a society that needs therapy so much that even the ones who should be giving it aren't ready to emphasize and listen to other people
@deadsoon
@deadsoon Жыл бұрын
Aqua also lied in order to get out of therapy. He pretended to get better and the therapist was none the wiser.
@rotmistrzjanm8776
@rotmistrzjanm8776 Жыл бұрын
You need also remember that Aqua have at least basis in psychology in his previous life so basically his therapy was like writing exam while knowing all the answers. They only difficult thing he had to remember was to not make it too perfect. But part about Poland I totally agree unfortunately ._. Trzymaj się tam i pamiętaj by dbać o siebie ❤
@petthequeenofmaddness8592
@petthequeenofmaddness8592 Жыл бұрын
my friends therapist told them that if they tried to find a new therapist they would make it impossible and put him on a list.
@sleepysera
@sleepysera Жыл бұрын
@@deadsoon Yeah, and who can blame them? Unlike reality, supernatural elements exist in this. No matter how good they are, any therapist can only expect the cognitive abilities of a 3-4 year old out of him, who would not be able to perfectly fool even the most attentive therapists like this. He's able to because he's an adult inside, but it's not like whoever worked with him could expect such a scenario 😅
@Shiraori999
@Shiraori999 Жыл бұрын
Can't believe Aka adapted Ed into an anime character.
@psyculturists
@psyculturists Жыл бұрын
Evil Ed 👀🧙‍♂️ maybe
@0Clewi0
@0Clewi0 Жыл бұрын
A bit about bringing up Ai, there's a part that is linguistic and doesn't translate well, the word Ruby used as favorite was "oshi" meaning "push" and used for the context of someone you're a fan of, that's where the title of the story comes from, as they're the children (ko) of the oshi that Ai was, if there was a simple word in English for "person you admire the most" it wouldn't be surprising for Aqua to bring her up, not healthy but not surprising. Also I don't thing you can call it mommy kink when you loved them before they were your mom, there's a line where the fantastical can't be described with normal psychology.
@johnfsenpai
@johnfsenpai Жыл бұрын
The first time I wached this episode I could not focus on Aqua's thoughts because I was distracted by Melt cringily flailing his arms
@gibson17155
@gibson17155 Жыл бұрын
“I gotta give you guys the full experience here” -Predator Ed 39:28
@eduardpanko9987
@eduardpanko9987 Жыл бұрын
Aqua is deep Kana wanna swim Paratoxic distortion Lookin kinda grim
@missinglegs
@missinglegs Жыл бұрын
I've started reading the manga recently and it's been really fun trying to do what you do for the later introduced characters, just overall paying attention to who they are and what might have made them this way
@boopdino8053
@boopdino8053 Жыл бұрын
i genuinely hope that this does not come across as weird, but i am genuinely grateful i came across your videos. The psychological insight and value you provide as you analyze these wonderful stories is amazing. These videos are great in terms of personal growth because of the value they provide. For me personally, it also helped me in terms of my mental clarity because of how i struggle with a lack of focus and dissociation. Oh man, i love Kana as a character so much, i personally believe that her dynamic with Aqua is incredibly healthy and can be a great way for Aqua to learn how to deal with his problems and become a better individual. Kanas approach to acting also creates a fascinating contrast to the way the industry is portrayed here, i think with the experience she had with Aqua made her grew so much to the point of becoming qutie empathethic,which is very impressive.
@Bexploserpro
@Bexploserpro Жыл бұрын
When you think ED is predicting this show, in reality it's this show that predicts ED. (Just like the hour prediction in episode 1 and the spinning pen).
@paulrowe6201
@paulrowe6201 13 күн бұрын
"The face of the maiden, who has fallen in love with the protagonist" I watched someone else's response and she blasted the production for the double-shadow Kana is casting in this shot. The anime is using that double-shadow to orient us. Kana is facing the two light sources. She's looking between the two light sources. Who is that between the two light sources? Aqua. Just as Aqua evoked real emotions in Melt, Kana is leaning into her fresh, real emotions for Aqua to portray "the face of the maiden, who has fallen in love with the protagonist".
@KenjiTokumura
@KenjiTokumura Жыл бұрын
I watched the VOD on twitch but I'm still tempted to watch through this entire thing anyway-
@genericsidecharacter8915
@genericsidecharacter8915 Жыл бұрын
As a manga reader, you said a ton of things in that ending segment that just made me go “oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck”
@Tarien001
@Tarien001 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, Aqua needs to find life purpose that don't involve Ai. Anyways... Comment for algoritmus, love your analysis ❤
@justicar77
@justicar77 Жыл бұрын
I don't think Aqua has a mommy kink. Remember, Aqua/Garou never really gave a crap about idols. For him, Ai was a superimposition of Sarina. For him, he loved and admired Ai because she represented the hopes and dreams of Sarina. But he couldn't save Sarina. Later, he couldn't be there to deliver Ai's children. Finally, he couldn't protect/save Ai. For him, Ai is a failure spanning decades. Ai is Sarina and Sarina is Ai in his eyes. I wouldn't call that a mommy kink. But rather, he cared about Ai not because she was an idol but because she was what Sarina admired. So it makes sense that others don't interest them. They don't have that connection.
@marar8045
@marar8045 Жыл бұрын
I watched this as a VOD in Twitch cuz I couldn’t wait, but I’ll watch it here again. Love your work!
@averona1569
@averona1569 Жыл бұрын
I wanted to say thank you for all your great content! Learning about all these aspects of psychology and characterisation more in depth has been extremely helpful (game writing and acting background myself, so this show is definitely a ride), and I've had a lot of fun applying the concepts in practice. I still remember seeing the thumbnail of that 5 hour first episode breakdown and penciling in time to sit down and watch. Every video has me tuned in start to finish!
@jonathancrespo3274
@jonathancrespo3274 Жыл бұрын
No spoilers; clearing up misunderstandings: Kana’s love journey essentially started off as an obsession, to admiration, to now an infatuation with Aqua. Ion think theres anything inherently wrong with falling for someone you admire tho; and their dynamic ends up being something im really biting my nails and jumping in my seat for. Second, your “scratch my back, ill scratch yours” wizard moment isnt really a wizard moment, as they essentially said the same thing in Episode 1 by Director about how (at least Japan’s) the entertainment industry is about ‘Exchanging favors’. Aqua wanted Ai to get more jobs, so Aqua had to co star in the movie too, etc etc. This concept is a fundamental driving point in understanding Oshi no Ko’s story. Minami’s a pin up model, which just means shes a model for posters and magazines and whatnot; aka things that can get “pinned up” to walls. They do things like swimwear and attractive “girl” clothes for photoshoots; but no lingerie(at least, they shouldnt even in Japan) Shiranui Frill didnt say it to gloat; she just had to state her reason for being late because in Japan its rude to just say “whoops, sorry bout that” and just walk into the meeting/appointment/class without saying anything and 2, also because shes super famous, she has to let the teacher on the first day know that her being late was out of her control. Aqua isnt sexually attracted to Ai, but he does Stan her. Its like a little princess-loving girl meeting Cinderella for the first time type of love; except that little girl never grows up/never gets used to being in Cinderella’s presence. And no spoilers, but Aqua isnt looking for anyone specific to scout in the idol group. Just someone who looks like idol material and is willing to take the job(not to mention 12 is the legal working age in Japan).
@septesix
@septesix Жыл бұрын
Upvote this. I enjoy this type of long form analysis, but there are clearly many misunderstanding due to cultural difference and translation issues ( "Pinup model" is just a terrible choice when 'magazine/fashion model' worked just fine).
@minidiamantl5462
@minidiamantl5462 Жыл бұрын
I love that when people mention Joseph's Campbell's hero's journey.
@The_Rising_Dragon
@The_Rising_Dragon Жыл бұрын
Hey! I saw this video! This is cool! ♡ But fr tho, I really like your channel, and am going through your content at a really fast rate! It is nice to see stuff from a psychological point of view!
@squashbanana
@squashbanana Жыл бұрын
Love the Oshi no ko videos. You make psychology sound so interesting haha
@justiny8859
@justiny8859 Жыл бұрын
1:36:10 "I made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement, and I don’t expect to be forgiven. I’m simply here to ask you to forget everything i said before. What we came across right now was obviously unplanned. The comments you saw in the video were honest; they were unfiltered. I didn't now what would come next. I should have never made those comments..." and so on
@azcollins9138
@azcollins9138 Жыл бұрын
KANA IS BEST GIRL, PERIOD.
@RenderingUser
@RenderingUser Жыл бұрын
Really tho?
@saminsanity4766
@saminsanity4766 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@Vedhon
@Vedhon Жыл бұрын
As part of the Akane gang I respectfully tell you, you are in fact wrong
@RenderingUser
@RenderingUser Жыл бұрын
@@Vedhon indeed Akane for life
@ulrik03
@ulrik03 Жыл бұрын
Ruby is best girl, period. I will follow her through any flame wars, fangirling or googling of classmates as she climbs the stairway to heaven
@jcwasheregt
@jcwasheregt Жыл бұрын
I look forward to these VOD videos everyweek!!
@drarp
@drarp Жыл бұрын
I am so glad all your videos are hours long, otherwise I'd hate having to watch merely 20-something minutes long episodes. Loved the wizardry and the reactions overall. Great work, keep being awesome!
@name-nam
@name-nam Жыл бұрын
YAY ITS HERE edit: this seems like a shorter video, and i didnt really have much thoughts about the episode either so this comment might also be shorter nice to see predato... i mean dino ed enter the building. also, i noticed that the ed and evil ed conversations arent really planned or something. theyre kinda like ad-libbed and stuff, and i think thats really cool. you dont really plan the things you say, you probably just think of what you want to show us, and let the scenario go there or something. plenty of wizardry this episode, always nice to see. and man, i really cant wait for you to meet girl 2 and 3, but mostly girl 3
@sullen1
@sullen1 Жыл бұрын
For some reason I can't get the spoiler tags to work, so I'll just leave a comment for the algorithm. You're awesome Ed, I've been thoroughly enjoying your content!!
@johnfsenpai
@johnfsenpai Жыл бұрын
I just noticed the lighting in this live is pretty good
@deadsoon
@deadsoon Жыл бұрын
Aqua caught in 4K with his mommy kink lmaooo I'm dying 😭
@wilhelmt.muller170
@wilhelmt.muller170 Жыл бұрын
Dude's gonna predicting the next arc perfectly before the arc even starts
@RomanMina
@RomanMina 3 ай бұрын
Me dpending all my time in my entire day off to binge this entire series, sleep is uneccessary
@thea-na
@thea-na Жыл бұрын
Spoiler comment: Actually, Ruby "lives in the past" even more than Aqua. She acts as if she's forward looking simply b/c she doesn't know what Aqua knows. Aqua had more than a decade to process it in some way (definitely w/o a therapist or psychiatrist), but Ruby never has the chance to even think about it. In Ruby's previous life, she had a cancer at 4, stayed at the hospital w/o much socialization and died at 12. Aqua has been socialized and has empathy (my own bias - med students have too much empathy to begin with), but Ruby is a real child who doesn't know boundaries. When she possesses the star power, it scares the hell out of me. Aqua might have already suspected that Ruby is his patient back when they were babies, that's why he takes on such a caretaker role and being overly protective. Otherwise, it's too much PTSD for me to imagine :'( (In the manga, it's confirmed that Aqua has severe PTSD and unmanaged Panic Attacks. Poor boy. I hope he finds some peace and hope in the end.)
@agssilv5919
@agssilv5919 Жыл бұрын
spoilers this man a wizard with the cooking skills of gordon himself he already predicted the akane arc oh hell nah
@agssilv5919
@agssilv5919 Жыл бұрын
this man is predicting current manga arc stuff my god
@limos2137
@limos2137 Жыл бұрын
Greatest Wizard* in our World
@thesonica1
@thesonica1 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'd love of you considered covering Gundam: Witch From Mercury. Basically all the characters are beyond fucked emotionally, especially as their families use them for their own advantage.
@ilgaz3002
@ilgaz3002 Жыл бұрын
1:42:10 King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard
@lionheartgoodfellow3770
@lionheartgoodfellow3770 Жыл бұрын
God, Melt and the other male actors VA's really nailed bad acting lol And yeah, i'm getting bad feelings from how Aqua and Kana's relationship may develop in the future... Aka Akasaka, genius mangaka indeed!
@fats2010
@fats2010 Жыл бұрын
ironic that it took very good acting from the seiyuus to portray very bad acting within the anime so well lmao. A lot of the actors I've spoken to tell me it's the hardest thing to actually do once you get so used to the fundamentals, because instead of portraying just one character, you're portraying a character that is attempting to portray ANOTHER character, with no fundamental knowledge of acting. It's especially hard in live action stuff
@AigisVibes720
@AigisVibes720 Жыл бұрын
Bad feelings about Aqua and Kana’s future relationship? Care to elaborate?
@lionheartgoodfellow3770
@lionheartgoodfellow3770 Жыл бұрын
@@AigisVibes720 Well, given how he's shown to be highly manipulative and feels that he needs to be in control as Ed said, there may be complications and drama down the road when it comes to a chance of them having a genuine relationship, whether as friends or lovers.
@genericsidecharacter8915
@genericsidecharacter8915 Жыл бұрын
1:23:36 y’all remember when Ed talked about Aqua being in a shitty romance reality tv show in like episode 2
@rav04o2
@rav04o2 Жыл бұрын
52:13... wizardry in action again... The reality show didn't happen until episode 5.
@zubleo8590
@zubleo8590 14 күн бұрын
Tha pen twirl is crazy
@originaldarkwater
@originaldarkwater 7 ай бұрын
1:26:12 "I'm the one that accidentally fucks up in the middle of the thing and everyone hates me, but it turns out, I'm actually a really good person" That's it. Ed = Akasaka confirmed. 🤣
@originaldarkwater
@originaldarkwater 7 ай бұрын
Damn, I hadn't even finished the VOD before writing that comment. You then go on to analyze the OP for the 4th time and basically divine the whole damn season! You're a sharp cookie, Ed!
@sanaan0168
@sanaan0168 Жыл бұрын
Ah Ilove tuning in these reactions there soo great bro is a wizard. 😂 and your goofy ahh jokes like imitating Ai
@chibivampiregirl
@chibivampiregirl Жыл бұрын
1:56:46 lmao @ the person in chat "LIGHT THE PYRES"
@sosaalexis48
@sosaalexis48 Жыл бұрын
Hello, im a new subscriber I just wanted to say, I saw your Bocchi and Oshi no ko reactions so far, and they are really good Its the perfect mix of interesting info (I always liked to learn more things about amything in general xD) and funny moments haha I hope you have a great day, and definetily will keep checking out your content :)
@maziazdytak423
@maziazdytak423 Жыл бұрын
Another such a good vod :)
@cardinal8200
@cardinal8200 Жыл бұрын
1:48:30 Wizard man
@sonicfind
@sonicfind Ай бұрын
1:36:23 nice reference "poorestgay"
@hunterwilliams6718
@hunterwilliams6718 Жыл бұрын
I saw this video, your cool.
@klyngdoh
@klyngdoh Жыл бұрын
Hey! I saw this video, you're cool! (or something like that)
@mahuloq7562
@mahuloq7562 Жыл бұрын
Noooo way this isnt read ahead lol, just no way.
@SentinalSlice
@SentinalSlice Жыл бұрын
Would a children’s Therapist have all the techniques to handle the mind of an adult?
@rotmistrzjanm8776
@rotmistrzjanm8776 Жыл бұрын
Parataxic distortions lets goooooo
@hillclimbracing9590
@hillclimbracing9590 Жыл бұрын
59:21 my trauma is as big as 5 backpack filled with heavy metal.😅😅😢
@freemovies411
@freemovies411 Жыл бұрын
A rolly-backpack, hot pink and black, that I often choose to wear on my back, instead of rolling. Das my baggage. ouo
@johnfsenpai
@johnfsenpai Жыл бұрын
Is it OK to have the opening uncut this time?
@I3ladeDragon
@I3ladeDragon Жыл бұрын
Actually, that is an excellent question. Lmao
@I3ladeDragon
@I3ladeDragon Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the video is just demonitized, which is not a concern for Ed. If a video ever does get monetized, it goes to editors.
@johnfsenpai
@johnfsenpai Жыл бұрын
@@I3ladeDragon Ed did say that all the Oshi no Ko reviews are demonetised, I just worry about it being deleted for copyright violation
@Drad_
@Drad_ 14 күн бұрын
13:44
@veiga7032
@veiga7032 Жыл бұрын
Ed, dear, dear Ed, what's one of the last opening scenes? How is the back of the two other girls who enter the stage with Ruby? Who else from the opening do they look like?
@Vedhon
@Vedhon Жыл бұрын
Btw i know you didn't read the manga but do you maybe read up until the point you are in the anime? Because the manga in the prologue has some moments from the future like the director saying something about a movie and what the president is doing most likely right now(saitou)
@arjunk.8447
@arjunk.8447 Жыл бұрын
Rip keyboard
@winston8195
@winston8195 Жыл бұрын
Yar a wizard 🧙‍♀️
@raimuriki
@raimuriki 4 ай бұрын
2:14:00
@zearow5458
@zearow5458 Жыл бұрын
Does there become a point where therapy can no longer help? A point beyond return?
@psyculturists
@psyculturists Жыл бұрын
I mean therapy and therapeutic interventions are only helpful if your open to the idea of them helping and if you have the appropriate therapist/psychologist/team otherwise it might just feel like redundant information. There’s a phrase some therapists have which is you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink which encapsulates a person coming to therapy: they can come therapy but we can’t force them to grow that’s their job
@rotmistrzjanm8776
@rotmistrzjanm8776 Жыл бұрын
1:03:04 what are you talking about? Aqua clearly overdo it and she took what he said during acting personally. Literally in that scene you have her eyes covered that indicates her overthinking, shane and her beeing scared. Ofc she is glad and happy etc but deep inside she know that even if those quotes were acting they were still true.
@zearow5458
@zearow5458 Жыл бұрын
Whose more broken inside? Ai or Aqua?
@LusterCandy18
@LusterCandy18 Жыл бұрын
Not much to say, so comment and away! ❤
@yugoxgc
@yugoxgc Жыл бұрын
You know its kinda difficult not to call you a wizard when you literally called a plot point that hasn't come up yet ( its in the next episode but already been mentioned) in EPISODE ONE! AND you jokingly here called another plot point, that doesn't come until like 3 episodes later
@Taziberry
@Taziberry Жыл бұрын
For! The! ALGORITHM!!
@KomandarmKnuckles
@KomandarmKnuckles Жыл бұрын
1:04:15 "You can't analyze deep characters" I'd wager deep and well written characters are a lot easier to analyze than shallow dime a dozen prefab isekai protagonists
@goofygoober305
@goofygoober305 Жыл бұрын
👍
@buttponcho101
@buttponcho101 Жыл бұрын
Nice videos, comment for KZfaq overlords
@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache Жыл бұрын
If my life was played back like a movie but the thoughts and inner dialogue was not included I'd probably mostly just be like "Oh yeah, that happened" and talk about how dumb/cringe the film MC is.
@galaxychara1824
@galaxychara1824 Жыл бұрын
🍷🗿
@danielstriker3739
@danielstriker3739 Жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the changes made going from DSM-IV to DSM-V were it's more of a diagnosis on a spectrum?
@john99bg
@john99bg Жыл бұрын
Hey! I saw this video, you're cool! (or something like that)
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