Veterans of Sonic 2 and Sonic and Knuckles will not be surprised at losing a footrace to Eggman.
@yoshihammerbro4355 ай бұрын
Sonic 3 and Knuckles as well
@chocov12335 ай бұрын
I bet he gave himself robot legs.
@scpnoobers5 ай бұрын
Sonic 1 final boss has left the chat
@Alex_Off-Beat5 ай бұрын
Making him just a tiny bit faster than Sonic was a great nod to the classic series!
@fatnugs39255 ай бұрын
Great comment
@OriginalityAce5 ай бұрын
By this tests' standards, Red Tails being the winner is natural, But there's a bit of a catch here. In actuality, Metal Sonic is the fastest character in the game in terms of Top Speed. Red Tails is only faster in terms of Acceleration from a Stand-Still. I'm a SA2 speedrunner and I've put in a ton of hours into researching how the 2P Mode characters operate for specific categories; and thanks to debug mods, we can see the approximate horizontal speed values for each character. Red Tails' Top Running Speed clocks in at '6.99' by the game's speed values, but Metal Sonic has a Top Running Speed that clocks in at '8.88'; It just takes a little bit for him to reach that. Best place to see this is on an endless straightaway (such as the Sonic/Shadow 2 arena). Red Tails is quick on the draw, but Metal Sonic moves so fast the camera has to zoom out just to keep him onscreen with the rival boss. Also Fun Fact: If you were to take abilities into consideration abilities, Metal Sonic's Black Shield can get him to clock in at speeds in the 19's in certain places- almost 3 times as fast as Red Tail's top ground speed.
@Zethoro5 ай бұрын
Commenting to hopefully boost this a bit for visibility, dude knows his stuff for sure. Just comes with the territory of "fast" being a pretty ambiguous term.
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Yeah I wanted to come up with a more fun challenge rather then just compare the speed values. Im hoping this is interesting enough that we can come up with other challenges with different rules/obstacles which will make for different results and show off how the characters change under different situations
@littlebadassgaming5 ай бұрын
@@EpicDuskkyou should try this test again. But take each ability into consideration. Ex: light speed dash vs homing attack speed. Etc..
@saturnine415 ай бұрын
Makes sense, I remember in the two player mode that the description comments on Metal Sonic's acceleration. Which made me figure that was what would hurt Sonic and Shadow's time, with how long it takes for them to gain momentum.
@sobble_gaming1015 ай бұрын
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@___________0Z0X5 ай бұрын
Tails being the fastest, slowest, and in the middle is hilarious.
@gnelson72255 ай бұрын
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@ShaimingLong5 ай бұрын
4:02 "imagine losing a foot race to Eggman" - someone needs to go replay Sonic 2 😂
@jredlamar5 ай бұрын
Even with the spin dash, he couldn't catch him! 😂
@phiory_is_me5 ай бұрын
The fact eggman is faster than sonic and shadow is so funny to me. Well seeing him walk on his own is also pretty funny tbh
@IHOMilk5 ай бұрын
I mean, look at the classic games. Eggman regularly outruns sonic to reach his mechs or escape when they’re destroyed. He’s a zoomy boy.
@chocov12335 ай бұрын
@@IHOMilkProbably got robot legs.
@MollyMcGeeSimp5 ай бұрын
He should be the slowest one because he's just some *FAT* guy
@LuisAngel-sb8xd4 ай бұрын
Ergh this is annoying
@TealClover-qk6lf5 ай бұрын
Tails coming in first, last and seventh all at once is amazing 😂
@ryandomville36215 ай бұрын
As a kid I always used to play Eggman in the Chao garden because it made me laugh how fast he could run lmao
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Same honestly. I love how his legs bend when he runs in a circle lol
@ChipsMcClive5 ай бұрын
Eggman KFC Run - Chao Edition
@PrinceMallow5 ай бұрын
Makes sense that Mechless Eggman is able to outrun Sonic. You could never catch up to him at the end of Sonic 2 when he's running for his giant Eggman mech lol.
@wolfzend59645 ай бұрын
The real fastest character is Big the Cat. You see him in most cutscenes, but if you blink, then you miss him. It was almost like he wasn't there to begin with.
@Xerophlume5 ай бұрын
Hey, it's not his speed! He must be using the chaosemeraldowarpmynameis Shadow
@IcyXzavien5 ай бұрын
Sonic has lost to a foot race to eggman miltiple times actually. The blue blur can never seem to catch with the egg-shaped scientist.
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Maybe he loses on purpose because he just likes having big dramatic fights with eggman
@ShaimingLong5 ай бұрын
@@EpicDuskk I can't remember what it's from, but I'm reminded of a line from a TV show or maybe a movie, where a character says he or someone else just loves to chase things, but he has no idea what to do if he ever catches them. I wonder if that's what Sonic's like, he has no idea what to do if he actually catches Eggman, so all he does it keep pace and breaks the mechs.
@PotatoSlices5 ай бұрын
@@ShaimingLong that was the Joker from Batman The Dark Knight.
@OVA_Sonic19962 ай бұрын
@@EpicDuskk that's my head canon
@loserlw3375 ай бұрын
I love how that means Eggman is the fastest thing alive Red Tails and Chao Walker: Needs a Mech Metal Sonic: Is a robot Tikal: um... About that...
@colorred23635 ай бұрын
She's dead,so she's the fastest dead thing on earth
@Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz5 ай бұрын
She was the fastest thing alive, not currently
@RegattaRs5 ай бұрын
Redtails is hilariously fast I love the content he’s thrown into
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
RTW = Red Tails Wins lol
@ChaosWindScar995 ай бұрын
Kudos to sonic team for making eggman faster than sonic and shadow, that's consistency from sonic 2 for sure.
@UltimatumDemon5 ай бұрын
Of course Eggman is faster, his egg shape is perfectly aerodynamic
@Robbie_Haruna5 ай бұрын
Haven't watched yet, but I feel like some of the fastest are probably like... Red Tails, Tikal, Metal Sonic and the Chao Walker are at the very least in the top 5. Edit: Wow, I was *not* expecting mechless Eggman to be that fast, especially when mechless Tails was the worst of the worst.
@PriffyViole5 ай бұрын
It's technically lore-accurate, since in the Genesis games Eggman can outrun Sonic pretty easily.
@sorrydudebros5 ай бұрын
I thought it couldn't be Red Tails because I'd think he only has that speed while hovering but wow, he really does have a rocket booster on that mech
@akedojune5 ай бұрын
I always thought it was knuckles, so I played him in the chao garden when I was younger. Dude is always ZOOMIN
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Everyone feels fast in the chao garden, even mechless tails. I was surprised he was the SLOWEST outside the garden.
@undyne15 ай бұрын
Same, I used to think it was Rouge or Shadow. I think the reason why some characters feels faster than they actually are in the Chao Garden is because of how small and limited the space is.
@sessamess9105 ай бұрын
Id like to see this factoring in acceleration, because acceleration is how fast you reach top speed not top speed itself I’d like to see if it was just acceleration that let red mech tails claim first over metal There’s roughly a 2 second difference between them and that could have all been metal accelerating
@ShurikanBlade5 ай бұрын
A part 2 with their abilities and stuff like tails flying, glides, homing attacks, punches and more would be honestly very interesting. Just a gauntlet of movement options to see which is the slowest and which is the fastest
@memdigger5 ай бұрын
Sonic not being the fastest character in the game feels like a crime against humanity
@grunkleg.31105 ай бұрын
Red Tails sounds like the name of someone's overpowered OC, so it's interesting to see that he plays just like one too
@Metakeyman4 ай бұрын
Sonic: You can't catch me! I'm the fastest thing alive! Eggman: And I took that personally.
@jeremyabbott45375 ай бұрын
there's an error in the final standings, as you put Tikal's 8.95 above Eggman's 8.56. Otherwise good video! I knew Chao Walker and Metal were fast but not that fast!
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Oopsie. This is why I gotta stop editing at 3am lol
@HXF3335 ай бұрын
Plot twist it was big the entire time
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Only if hes chasing froggy
@PriffyViole5 ай бұрын
I know this is a joke, but wouldn't he have the same stats as the Dark Chao Walker?
@Oddstheo5 ай бұрын
Mechless Tails runs like he really needs to take a dump and has found the perfect balance between not going too fast and not going too slow.
@eaise25135 ай бұрын
Great Video! It would be interesting to see the difference if acceleration wasn't part of the equation. Sonic and Shadow both have a very slow acceleration in this game. But a strong top speed. It would probably take mods to make this possible since I can't think of a fair way to do this in the base game
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Id probably have to use the 2nd Sonic v Shadow stage and find a way to measure speed without am end goal
@necrocorey64085 ай бұрын
Even just seeing who can reach the end goal the quickest with use of their abilities would be interesting. Sonic spam dashing has to be faster than Legman.
@cagzerozero5 ай бұрын
dannggg i did not know mech-less tails was so slow in this game i never felt it heh. you should definitely make a part two that involves slopes cuz slopes be having interesting properties for these characters (especially with knuckles since its the only way to see his top speed animation) . this video opened my eyes ngl tho so nice !
@ShaimingLong5 ай бұрын
To be fair you only get to use him in the Chao Garden. Not exactly an environment you need to go top speed in!
@keaton51015 ай бұрын
@@ShaimingLong Tell that to Eggman
@ShaimingLong5 ай бұрын
@@keaton5101 Eggman's a villain, he's not going to do what someone tells him, Chao be damned! 😂
@SexyDexy255 ай бұрын
I already knew it was going to be Tails in the Tornado III from the start!!! I remember when unlocked it and my brother and I played on Cosmic Wall and after falling off the stage, I kept hovering opposite of the camera’s view, going past the invisible wall, and out of bounds! It was a fun accidental discovery
@handsomeharold46985 ай бұрын
we all know eggman (mechless) was holding back
@yousefslimani995 ай бұрын
BTW Hearing you screaming, swearing and laughing at the same time, makes you sounds like from someone who love streaming GTA games named “Hugo One” he’s my favorite streamer too!
@browncow52105 ай бұрын
Sonic after getting beat by Tails's mech: Fine! Im getting my car!
@DARKNESTHOM5 ай бұрын
I wanna see a "Ringless" Shadow mod. Where you play As Shadow but with his wrist rings removed thus enabling his full power
@joegomez54635 ай бұрын
This was actually all expected tbh. As a teen, I used to test this various ways, because tikal always felt faster than sonic, as did mechless Eggman, and that never sat right with me lmao.
@jackomecamorfo60602 ай бұрын
i already knew eggman was gonna be faster than sonic, but i've forgot that metal sonic was playable 💀💀💀
@bagelstrips4 ай бұрын
Not hating just being scientific, Tikal got stopped early, the rest of the characters stopped in between the 2 walls at the end of the runway, Tikal stops before. Was noticeable because Tikal didn’t grab the ring. Fun little video
@EpicDuskk4 ай бұрын
I think its probably an editing error. She still got that time, but I cut the video like 2 frames short.
@rubyruff27135 ай бұрын
Eggman runners quickly in the chao garden
@Subreon5 ай бұрын
sonic running through a field at top speed, minding his own business. hears some super rapid metal clunking sounds. tails blows past him like he's standing still
@Acedafox2 ай бұрын
Eggman said it himself He works out
@Dante...5 ай бұрын
The real question is can Sonic/Shadow beat Red Tails with spindashes.
@christiandavid82725 ай бұрын
5:40 frontiers foreshadowing 22 years earlier
@st0rmerc00l85 ай бұрын
There is a debug mod that shows you the speed of the characters
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Oh yeah that would have been as fun to do for a video, I love looking at numbers on a spreadsheet
@andy02q5 ай бұрын
@@EpicDuskk I think you're ironic, but I do actually love looking at numbers on a spreadsheet.
@EnbyFish5 ай бұрын
As a kid I always thought it was Knuckles bc of the King Boom Boo fight
@elibonham43885 ай бұрын
Try meteor heard for your next speed video because the mechs for some reason have a faster run speed in that stage and cosmic wall along with weapons bed
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Probably the lower gravity for the space stages. Ill for sure look into it
@Lightning-ig2do2 ай бұрын
Whenever I play as mechless Tails, I use the physics swap mod to give him the same physics as Sonic because Tails's speed is just abysmal 🤣
@PlanetZoidstar4 ай бұрын
In Vs. Mode it's Amy. Because with enough Rings your opponent never moves.
@EpicDuskk4 ай бұрын
Amy is broken for real in multiplayer
@bryandavis96715 ай бұрын
My prediction was Red Tails and/or Metal for top spot, and one of the mechs for bottom spot. I didn't think there would be characters without mechs that were slower than the mechs. Also, Sonic the Hedgehog who? Now that we have confirmed that Eggman is faster, I demand a game built around him called "Egg the Man".
@N0rlight5 ай бұрын
Eggman on Foot being faster than Sonic is accurately true. Sonic never seems to be able to catch up to Eggman in the classics.
@Reluxthelegend5 ай бұрын
4:03 I mean Sonic did lose a foot race to eggman multiple times, like in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
@gravetrigger_7th5 ай бұрын
I always thought as a kid metal sonic was the fastest when you go downhill and hold his shield, but then I remember my friend having red tails. and he wouldn't tell me how he got it 🤣 and told me I had to beat following the president with crazy time at exactly a certain number of minutes and seconds I was tricked.. good times 🧐
@ekibits645 ай бұрын
I love how rouges alt costumes is a main thing of your channel
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
I just love the bat boobies 😎 It also gets more comments, so its a big brain play to boost engagements
@Shade04rek5 ай бұрын
Definitely yes on a no-abilites-barred test. It will require much more troubleshooting for maxing a character's speed efficiency, but sounds like the fun of it.
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Yeah the plan is to do more tests under different conditions. I wanted to try to find a way to make it more fun then "look at these numbers on a spreadsheet" Id like to maybe make it like those smash brothers "who can beat the X jump" style videos. Maybe come up with some other challenges for these guys
@Pakidude52525 ай бұрын
dang i had no idea that costumes could effect stats. great vid
@Dante...5 ай бұрын
Yeah, but it's only the mech characters for some reason. The others just get lower ring requirements for their special moves.
@BardicLasher5 ай бұрын
I'd like to see how this test gets modified when characters are actually trying. Especially Sonic and Shadow's spin dash. Also, Eggman has been faster than Sonic since Sonic 2.
@malimaui28025 ай бұрын
Hmm, I wonder how fast all 12 of the playable characters in heroes are( with the fly types on the floor, and not carrying the other characters )
@easilyeasy5 ай бұрын
I hate how Sonic's friends just got slower and slower as time went on until not even being playable
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
I feel like Sonic has gotten slower too. The modern boost games make you "feel" faster with good cinematics and boost mechanics, but it definitely feels slower compared to adventure games
@Dante...5 ай бұрын
@@EpicDuskk Unleashed Sonic was pretty fast, but I think they did slow him down in later games so they wouldn't need to make the levels so big. Adventure 1 Sonic might have been the fastest with that op spindash. I think Heroes Sonic had the fastest normal running speed.
@TheDownUnderGamer014 ай бұрын
@@Dante... I think they also slowed him down because people had skill issues and couldn't handle the speed. I know when I was younger Unleashed sometimes felt too fast, but man I wish we could have that speed again.
@DiscoStrings5 ай бұрын
I had never known about the alternate skins altering stats that's crazy! Over 20 years and I had no idea lol
@rmat90235 ай бұрын
bro mechless eggman u can see how fast he is in the room between the chao gardens, that weird space room, And mechless eggman has faster acceleration than sonic too. I never knew there was even a red and fast Tails that actually speeds him up.
@REALCAUTION5 ай бұрын
It always frustrated me, that sonic cannot reach TopSpeed by himself, unless he’s running downhill as he can tell when his hands are not behind his back
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
I mean it makes sense hed go faster downhill.
@REALCAUTION5 ай бұрын
@@EpicDuskk well yeah but he should also be able to reach his top speed running normally not just down hill like SA1
@furavofia5 ай бұрын
haven't watched yet but I already know it's mechless Eggman, bro be zooming in the chao lobby
@theneoreformationist5 ай бұрын
Can't wait for the Sonic Movie 3 scene where Eggman outruns Sonic on foot.
@SugiDev5 ай бұрын
My boy egg man booking it on legs
@mb44565 ай бұрын
My beautiful boy Metal once again proving he is the Superior Sonic
@tinyclover38495 ай бұрын
Whoa! This mech is faster than Sonic!
@itsnimbi5 ай бұрын
Finally some GOOD content
@impressionist66925 ай бұрын
It's funny how Tails is simultaneously Last, Middle, and First all at the same time
@animasionnoob33605 ай бұрын
5:03 in other words eggman it's the true Faster thing ALIVE.
@nyaoculus5 ай бұрын
I loved using eggman in the chao garden for the sole purpose that he could run fast as heck from da gardens to chao kindergarten
@EsoiTheGrumpyMawile2 ай бұрын
what is utterly bizarre about mechless tails when I experimented with him is that he is faster going up the stairs in the chao lobby than on flat road, his acceleration and speed values are just odd.
@EpicDuskk2 ай бұрын
Everyone is fast up stairs actually. If you use mods to put them in city escape you can see it more clearly on the staircase before the 3rd checkpoint
@EsoiTheGrumpyMawile2 ай бұрын
@@EpicDuskk just weirdness on how this game operates really.
@drakordarkstar5 ай бұрын
i wonder if it'd change if everyone was locked into their top speed
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Id say so. Metal sonic actually does have a higher base speed then red tails, but slow acceleration. This video is sort of a test to see if this type of content is fun, I want to do more experiments maybe on different levels or using different rules.
@KW-125 ай бұрын
Well, in many games you see that Eggman outspeeds Sonic.
@covidoutdat19thwardyaheardme5 ай бұрын
Sonic and Shadow with a Spin Dash instead of gaining momentum easily wins this race
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
I think even with spin dashes Metal would go faster at full speed. This is more of an acceleration test in hindsight
@jakeroo1235 ай бұрын
Commenting while Amy's up: I haven't tested the mechs, so I'm not sure where they rank, but I know that if the mechs are excluded the fastest characters, in order, are Metal Sonic, Mechless Eggman, Sonic/Shadow, and Tikal. This is only in terms of top speed, disregarding acceleration - I wouldn't be surprised if Metal Sonic didn't rank as high due to his slow acceleration or if Tikal ranked higher due to her fast acceleration.
@xenagabby95015 ай бұрын
Eggman being faster than Sonic tracks with the Death Egg Zone in Sonic 2. Nicely done Sega
@fajam00m004 ай бұрын
You should do a sequel where you include enemies, bosses, and Chao
@EpicDuskk4 ай бұрын
I dont have a way to make the enemys playable, but that is a fun idea.
@Deufurth5 ай бұрын
You forgot [insert character here]. (Comment made to boost the algorithm)
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
I appreciate the algorithm boost gamer!
@llTop_Bananall5 ай бұрын
That's gotta be Intentional.
@frostykilz1235 ай бұрын
Absolutely love this game. Great video
@kaotic3005 ай бұрын
they should mod sonic and shadow to have red tails' speed? sonic and shadow didn't even look like they reached their top speeds 🤯
@yousefslimani995 ай бұрын
5:46 well that’s disappointed, I expect him to finish the race with 4 seconds and few milliseconds!
@HYPERSPEED6095 ай бұрын
Eggman is faster than Sonic in Sonic 2 and here he is still faster than Sonic . I'm suprised
@rtyuik75 ай бұрын
also, i wonder if theres an easy way to actually-modify the levels (i mean, the "Any Character, Any Stage" bit is already a pre-packed code with ActionReplay, iirc), to put a Ring Trail along this "dragstrip" of an aircraft carrier...i wanna know how fast Sonic/Shadow's Light Dash can go...
@the.bloodless.one13125 ай бұрын
He called me an epic gamer 😎✨
@stolenmonkey74775 ай бұрын
Tails getting the fastest and slowest times is pretty funny
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
And the middle time lol
@stolenmonkey74775 ай бұрын
@@EpicDuskk tails is everywhere, even in your walls
@vladizle5 ай бұрын
This was so entertaining!
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Glad you think so!
@truthspreader19965 ай бұрын
That was bonkers!
@k-lostmaster78215 ай бұрын
Obviously it’s eggman. He out ran sonic in sonic the hedgehog. He made it to the death egg and we all had to fight a hard boss
@LannyLeArtist5 ай бұрын
Eggman being faster than sonic is a wonderful thing.
@uuuk9565 ай бұрын
was all this on the dreamcast version cause thats the only one i'd count. the vanilla
@king65955 ай бұрын
I think they paying homage to sonic 2 with this
@veronica_azrael5 ай бұрын
I've been using Tikal in the choa garden for pretty much the same reason you use Rouge and that's how I found out how fast she is
@danshive40175 ай бұрын
I’m confused by the non-playable characters like Chaos.
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
They're playable in the Multiplayer mode in the normal game. If you're using mods you can easily put them in the regular levels and play as them. They have unique traits and attacks, like how the Chao walker is lighter and faster, or Metal Sonic having a shield ability. So they're alot of fun to use outside of Multiplayer.
@zackpuckett82675 ай бұрын
Now how about going downhill in City Escape?
@PSNPerfectNinja5 ай бұрын
I don't remember half of these being playable characters
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
They're playable in the multiplayer! Some of them you have to unlock like red tails by getting all his A ranks. They also have different skins, and even had DLC skins back on the Dreamcast version, I just made a video showing them all off!
@PrimeSonic5 ай бұрын
Playing Super Sonic Racing was a nice touch ;)
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
Im so glad you noticed because I thought it was super clever 😂
@isuckatgaming18735 ай бұрын
Not surprising that sonic lost a foot race to eggman, happens every time in the classic games
@TheDownUnderGamer014 ай бұрын
You know it makes sense that Eggman is faster than Sonic, just look at the original games Sonic can't catch that guy.
@YourAverageNerd065 ай бұрын
Can you do this with SADX and 06’s characters?
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
I could for sure for SADX. Maybe with 06 down the line, but right now my focus is on the adventure games
@YourAverageNerd065 ай бұрын
@@EpicDuskk isn’t 06 an adventure game? Not a big deal and I forgot you’d probably have to get a rom for it. I take it that heroes isn’t something you’d be interested in?
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
@@YourAverageNerd06 No chao garden = no adventure in my opinion lol. I do enjoy the pre-boost era sonic games like Heros, 06, etc. But imo only Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 are "adventure style" games.
@Ergeniz5 ай бұрын
@@EpicDuskkEh, not sure that's a good metric. Sonic Unleashed is literally called "Sonic World Adventure" in Japan and it doesn't have a chao garden. Likewise chaos existed on some of the GBA games and they're definitely not adventure titles.
@Pixiuchu5 ай бұрын
Of course it's Red Tails, lol... Although I'm surprised Metal Sonic was that fast. Maybe it shouldn't be surprising, TASes of Metal Sonic are cracked
@fisherdotogg5 ай бұрын
But what about Big and the OG Chao Walker? Y'know, from the Dreamcast version
@EpicDuskk5 ай бұрын
I think their stats are the same, but thats something to look into for a future test for sure