Thanks.

Many thanks

It was just a short rack tray I got on ebay and the transmitters were stuck down with command strips

Thanks for info, as the splitter is only occasionally used, I have gone over to a 0.25m 8way to db25, and plug in the other side of the db25 when needed which is much better. I also use an X32 rack which has inputs on back. Thanks for sharing your advice - all useful to others building racks

Ohhh, cutting a hole in the fins of the XR18 is an inspired idea! I'm trying to adjust how my system works because it's a pain running all the cables every show - currently I use 2 6U soft bags and have to cable it all up for each show. The split snake I bought is a floor box so there's no way to leave that plugged up. Looking at a new 14U rolling rack w/rack mount splitters and all of it contained and hooked up. When running a show with my own sound, just plug in mic inputs like normal. When running IEMs only - allow house tech to plug directly into my rig and hand him (marked) tail. Should work a lot more efficiently and cut down on set-up time by 15-30m. Only problem is how to get a 14/16U rolling rack up/down stairs. Does a hand-truck work OK for that? I'm getting too old to just

Yes we use just a normal DI box

Yes, its just what I had handy, but will probably replace it with a short multi cable at some point

Thank you

Yes, the XLRs that plug into the mixer stay plugged in, and the case front closes fine. I have revised the rack now with an X32 Rack and P-16 units, so have a look at that video too!

@@tmmmusicstudio that is over our budget but if I happen to win the lottery...😊

Behringer make the powerplay P1 which is a powered stereo unit. Thus it can take a stereo input. The XR18 also has ultranet output, so you can use the P-16 16 channel units, which I have just bought, and they are amazing as you can pan and eq.

The XR18 can only do 3 stereo aux mixes: buss 1/2, buss 3/4, buss 5/6 plus the LR mix. Stereo mixes always use up two busses. If you need more than three stereo mixes (plus the LR mix) the P16 is your best option. If you just need one stereo mix, the PM1 will work fine. Note: the PM1 is great unit but it’s not designed to work from balanced aux outs. It’s designed to be a remote volume control for an unbalanced headphone output. Lucky for you, the XR18 has a headphone jack. Headphone jack… plug your PM1 into the headphone jack on the XR18 with a 1/4” TRS to XLR cable as shown in the PM1 quick start guide. You will still need a pair of busses linked in stereo on the XR18 (BUSS 5/6 for example). To get your stereo linked buss pair to the headphone jack instead of the aux outs, go the the monitor page in the app (“monitor” means headphone output on the XR18) and assign your linked stereo buss pair (BUSS 5/6 for example) as the “source” for monitor (the headphone jack). This puts your linked stereo buss pair into the headphone jack. Turn up the headphone volume control on the XR18 front panel, turn up PM1, turn up the buss (BUSS 5/6 for example) and mix. You could use a balanced aux out on the XR18 for a mono mix into the PM1 or even get a stereo mix by using two aux outs into a Y adaptor that converts the two balanced mono signals into a single unbalanced stereo stereo signal, (see the XR18 quick start guide) but just like mono, you might not have enough volume. If you really need to use the aux outs in stereo, just get a P1 and a pair of XLRs.

I use strong super strength velcro from amazon. There are probably more elegant and technological solutions… its not fallen off yet amzn.eu/d/dBFHnkL

Its a 6U, good luck with your build!

Thanks mate.

They were all spaced as far apart as possible but all had their own antenna. I think a combiner is a great option but more cost

@@tmmmusicstudioYou're not kidding more cost. I hadn't heard of these before you just mentioned it - $800 gets you about the cheapest on the market it seems. Costly, but what a space-saver. I think I'll just continue to use my cobbled together antenna wiring.

I have only seen 6U shallow. maybe look for a custom build company?

@@tmmmusicstudio Thanks for your answer. Meantime I have built my own custom rack... :) I have put inside my mixer, two mic and guitar receivers and my guitar VOX20 amp\processor.

@@tmmmusicstudio Nice shallow rolling rack! What make were you using in this video?

Gator

It is a rack off of ebay. Its trojan, from studiospares, but gator, pulse and others do identical. 6 unit shallow

Yep I have looked at that - just a cost issue as it is a few hundred pounds, which I have not got at present! It is a great solution though. The splitter also protects the x32 sockets from damage as well…

Indeed it does. Very good point. I don’t think this was available at the time I built the rack, but it is something I have looked at, thanks. I also use my split now for a backup mixer - connected with xlr to db25 at the splitter, and then a db25 to mixer pre connected, so I just have to plug in. I also have a separate db25 to xlr for connecting to a managed PA if needed. If the DN4816 is used, if the mixer failed, it would not work…. I always like a backup plan!

But the costs is 4x over the splitter

Can you explain how this makes a splitter unnecessary? I don't understand. Thanks!

@@DavidMacVicar Midas DN4816-O: this takes the ethernet cable out from the Midas and converts it to 16 channels of XLR in a separate rack box.

no. it sounds fine. I am a big advocate of Behringer gear. it is often criticised, but I have always found it to be reliable, good quality and good build quality too

A very good idea, i will attempt to compile

Most (or many) splitters work by having a true wired link and a second transformer link. As long as your mixer or source of phantom power is on the true link, then it passes. So when we play in a venue with a managed PA we give the PA the transformer split, and control the phantom power ourselves. Hope this helps.

Unfortunately not. Its a fairly cheap unit that provides surge protection only, and the rack ears are fixed. You might be able to mount it on the inside of a very thin rack shelf, as it is only 7 or 8 cm wide. I have it facing outwards as I plug the Artnet light interface and laptop into it at the gig.

@@tmmmusicstudio Thanks a lot for the info!

Just had a look on ebay. Mine is a metal frame which goes along the whole strip, but there are some that look like there are rack ears that could be reversed. Mine is poss 7 years old, so probably not available now

No I dont think so. There is no panning on the receiver as far as i can tell

The router is an old apple airport express. Chosen just because it was what I had. Works well though, and fairly compact

@@tmmmusicstudio thanks!

The case was bought off ebay - not labelled - but “gator” style, and the power strip is just a cheap one from ebay with surge protection only, not conditioning.

@@tmmmusicstudio Sorry for the late reply. Thanks.

Mono, but they are capable of taking stereo

Ill take a look at them, thanks 👍

@@tmmmusicstudio however i think that they can only fit like those thinner balanced cables. Like example the Canare L2B2AT or something similar. Just a thinner balanced cable

Ill look them up

Difficult to say without looking in person. Make sure the input gain on the mixer is at a good level, set to 0db (although some people will set at -6), and then have a good signal that is green on the meter and only occasionally peaks into yellow. I assume your in ears are fed through a bus, so just make sure the levels to the buss are good. Are you using cables to a headphone amp, or to a wireless box. The headphone side needs to be active to amplify the line level signal (I know its obvious but just checking), some wireless in ears will also have a gain knob you can turn up. Use good cables. They dont need to be mega expensive - for live stuff I use visiosound or stagg, cheap but good quality. Hope this helps. Also splitter does have ground lift and link buttons - make sure these are off unless you want them on…

Absolutely

The link connection goes to the rack mixer so that 48v phantom (for DI box and drum overhead condenser mic) can be controlled from mixer, and the transformer side split goes to the cable for passing to a FoH PA, or we would also use it for our backup mixer… Thanks

@@tmmmusicstudio thank you - in reading the MS8000 manual, I found that part confusing. What about the warning here: "WARNING! Be careful when using phantom power on linked channels. If two linked channels both have phantom power sources connected to their respective LINK OUT XLR jacks, phantom-powered mics or DI boxes may receive too much current." I don't think we will be using the link function in a traditional in ear mixer setup as we need 1:1 inputs/outputs for all the different instruments. Any information you can provide would be of great help! THNX!

@DavidMacVicar did not see that but seems reasonable if linked, however I am not sure of a practical use of the channel linking. I’ll dig out the manual and take a look - thanks

Absolutely, however, the good thing about many of the digital mixers is the number of auxiliary outputs available to be separate mixes for different people. But some analog mixers might be adequate

Digital mixer will let you do SO much more and cost about the same. But there is no reason it wouldn't work if you found a unit that has all the i/o you need. I love having gates and high pass on every channel.

Pretty sure it is a 6 u - shallow, being put into a 6+2 rack (the +2 is due to the handle - which gives a very short access to a couple of units)

It was off ebay. Pretty sure its a pulse 6u narrow. But identical to gator and trojan.

I can’t find any shallow 6u cases with wheels anywhere in the internet. Did you add those wheels ?

@@pedrobrandao7432 the rack I took the gear out of was shallow, the one I put it into (with wheels) was a standard rack.

We have actually gone over to P-16 personal monitors now, but there was not an issue. I think there can be , and a combiner with a separate antenna is always best if you can afford it. I tried to space them i. The box as much as I could.

That's the conclusion that we have come to, that we need to go with a combiner and antenna - how are the P-16s?@@tmmmusicstudio

Superb. Just superb. Both bands i play with use them. I use them for theatre pit stuff i do, and I have a P-16i and two in the studio too. They are great

As a solo act I wouldn't imagine you would need a system setup like this but if you did than you just need 1 channel for every mic cable you plug in. The splitters usually only come in groups of 8 so if your plugins are less than 8 channels than yes you would only need 1 splitter.

@@kylehudelson2476 thanks, this is great! Well I have a drummer, and we run the bass tracks and click track through our in ears. We look at using my vocal mic, my guitar Stereo, kick and snare and our MacBook Pro!

As above, you just need to count up the number if inputs/instruments/mics. For drums, I only use 3 channels, kick, snare and an overhead, but some mic every drum and stereo overheads. We play to click and also have a cue track, which comes into the mixer via USB, but I also have a backup mac, which is there running and that has a stereo cable into ch 17/18 which is click Left and cue Right.

www.studiospares.com/racks-and-cases/cases/cases-rack/abs-wheeled-rack-flight-case-by-trojan-pro-6u-2u-8u-2u.htm Gator also make a similar version.

@@tmmmusicstudio Thank you for the link! I were looking for this link in the description :) + and also that that is u6. I last try was to read all the comments ) and finally ) I found ) Thank you a lot. I just bought one.

The antennas were all separate but spaced as far apart as possible

@@tmmmusicstudio did you bend that rack bar or you can ourchase them that connect front and back

No worries, the splitter is so that a duplicate of the signals can be fed to a front of house desk if playing a larger gig with engineered PA. This allows the band to retain control of in ear mix. Apologies if not clear from vid. A valid question though.

I bought it on ebay, but there are lots of narrow rack cases out there to choose from - Gator, Trojan (studiospares) etc

Its a 6 U case but one of the Units is slightly restricted by the concealed wheels housing and a concealed housing. So that restricted unit is used for cable passes etc

yep an airport express. reliable, compact, and more importantly, it was lying around!

@@tmmmusicstudio I have one lying around also! Guess I just found a new use for it haha all this just for some wireless iem for singing

@@natanyofsho the reason our band is going IEM is due to us syncing lights to a click track to make a better "performance" with lights etc. I have a video in progress about this - using a package called qlab, over the ArtNet dmx protocol - all quite exciting!

@@tmmmusicstudio very good! 👍🏼

Possibly true, but cables would then be visible at the back too. I have now swapped to an X32 which has all the IO at the rear.

@@tmmmusicstudio I guess depends on what is around back.

Do you mean is the brand link?

@@tmmmusicstudio Yes, case link please

www.studiospares.com/abs-shallow-rack-flight-case-by-trojan-pro-2u-4u-6u.htm Ive just looked and no markings. Its a good few years old but I think it was trojan. Thomann also have done similar ones.