Jay Schelstrate indeed

It works well. However it is not casual compared to most other methods, not because of the ultrasonic but the process involved. I put all new records in for just the first cycle and it's only six or seven minutes.

We do not use a cleaning agent. We use an ionizing agent to change the charge of the record with respect to water which attracts the effects of cavitation. The in and out of the machine with the record us needed as the change of charge is reduced as the record spins. We first remove the films left over from prior cleanings, then the release agent that the Shure Brothers discovered in the 70's, a discovery long forgotten as they had no method to remove it...until the arrival of the Kirmuss process.

I gave up after 20 minutes! Buy cd's!!

much healthier than watching 5 minutes of CNN or Fox. We are on the right pass, my friend. Now, I am going to watch my records air-dry!

Joe Murphy yeah, I think it removed all the dirty words.

Explaining;The ionizing spray has a colorant added. It allows one to see what the ultrasonic softened in the prior cycle. It is not a cleaning solution. The spray changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water. This attracts cavitation towards the record. Rapid dissipation of the visible colorant indicates that the process has removed the films left over from other cleaning processes, the film of the natural outgassing of the plasticizer, finally the release agent from the pressing plant.

He likely used a dirty brush. Are we suppose to believe that is the first time that brush was used? The soap was likely on the brush from the previous twenty records. It's like watching Penn and Teller.

Maybe, but I'd argue that if so, calling it a "release agent" is erroneous and misleading, since to me that phrase implies something that's deliberately introduced, whereas he appears to be describing a residue formed during the pressing process.

When the surface of a clean record is scanned with an electron microscope there is no sign of a "release coating", the vinyl material is homogenous. Due to the heat and pressure, any volatiles are going to be forced to escape at the edges, not the faces. Vinyl is cooled without exposure to air or other gasses, as cold water circulates through the press, nothing is introduced. No criticism is meant of his marketing, these are just points to consider.

Interesting, but his descriptions and explanations are so imprecise that I am left sceptical. And has been pointed out, the camel hair brush and microfibre cloth get contaminated. For this to be convincing each use should be with a pristine brush and/or cloth. For the drying I would think lint-free tissue such as Kimwipes would be a better choice.

Molds are vented to allow for gases to escape during the molding process. Every molded item I've ever worked with was air cooled (some so hot you couldn't handle them after ejection from the mold). The water pumped through a mold is to keep it warm, aiding in flow propagation and has little to do with cooling the parts. "New car smell" is allll the plastic parts outgassing as they continue to cure after the molding process.

Like steam off water when its heated.

Two years too late, but thank you 😉

Yeh, Michael's BS is a little hard to take....

They both implode and create a plasma wave as an implosion. As nentioned most tested peer ultrasonic machines of late using a cavitation tester and aluminum foil do not even produce cavitation. Thus they are not ultrasonics.

Rising bubbles then create a vacuum pulling out materials from the item being processed.

LOL!

The so called paste is the colorant in the ionizing spray that allows you to see what the ultrasonic softened in the prior cycle. Rapid dissipation indicates that the record has been processed, end of cycle. Your stylus now touching the detail of the stamper.

rareblues78daddy Great price.

Bryan Dempsen I couldn’t agree more. A very dirty record is pre washed first, just using luke warm tap water with a drop or two diswashing liquid. The record, still wet by the way, is then rinsed and dried using kitchen towel, just a light pressure and in the direction of the groove, this is very important. The kitchen towel sucks up all water and contaminations. Only after this first wash the record is allowed in the Disco Antistat bath. A few turns back and forth does the trick. The record is then put aside in the rack so it can dry. During the drying time I turn the record half a turn. No traces of fluid if you do it this way. Oh, if you use your own liquid there will be no fluff that accumulates around your needle during the first play after washing the record. This is a problem with the original Disco Antistat fluid. I use the liquid three times, after the third cleaning session I discard it and fill the bath with newly mixed fluid. Records from the thrift store undego the treatment without exeption. If the record is still playable, it is treated with a new lined inner sleeve and catalogued and stored. By the way, look at the speed this machine does its work with, it takes ages.

Notice no power so NO ONE can prove whether it works or not.

We recommend people buy records from garage sales. Even if scratched and dingy looking, with release agent removed, 7 times out of 10 we will also no longer hear the pop on every revolution caused by a tone arm skid. The skid mark is still visible... This as the needle now makes better contact with the pressed media with release agent removed.

@@kirmussaudio7578 that’s fantastic. One issue I have right now is that I live in an apartment. And I’m concerned about the noise level of the machine.

The machine runs at 35 KHz. The records are turned by a motor. The noise is less than a kitchen appliance. Some sonics at 25Khz needs one to wear ear protection.

Man, you are so right. There's always people trying to blow smoke up your arse about how you can get a better 0.0000022567 frequency respenose because yuve cleaned with the latest plasma wave cleaning device. Just enjoy the sound. xxx

Agreed a quick rinse through a spin clean is as crazy as I'm getting ..lol

My keith monks discovery one redux cleans my records to perfection. The ultrasonic method probably deteriorates the record over time.

@@JamesT65 how often do you think you'd need to clean a record? How often do you clean the same record on your Keith Monks machine?

Man im telling ya..... I get tons of hate but windex..... ive got 30 year old records ive had for years and they sound amazing

As proven using both a cavitation meter and the aluminum foill test many 120 or40 khz advertised ultrasonic cleaning machines do not use cavitation and are thus not ultrasonics. They bubble soap.

Sure, just wish he didn't say so much bullshit like "sugar in PVC." Oils and other build-ups occur just by existing, by handling, etc. The machine, the use of alcohol, that all makes sense, his explanation doesn't.

There are references to Charles Kirmuss and his machine and his restoration process, which takes record cleaning to another level. It's time consuming and not everyone wants to go to such lengths to achieve cleaning perfection but it's nonetheless an interesting and useful methodology that I have been skeptical about from "day one". Over time, Kirmuss has bought the tools and done the research to demonstrate the efficacy of what he does. One point I want to make about the Kirmuss system, which is that while it doesn't fan dry records and you need to use a microfiber cloth for drying, his process produces a record that's almost dry when I remove it from the water bath so drying is a quick few passes of the cloth. At the end of this review there's a demo of Kirmuss's "tin foil test", which he says separates the real cavitation machines from the ones in name only. PROOF: 1. Restoration of a Frank Sinatra Record. Mexico City Nov 2023 KirmussAudio event. Before restoration: Lots of noise. Crackles abound. Sound Muddled. The record was processed before in a 120 KHz ultrasonic. Processed 5 times. Before in a vacuum based cleaning system, so I was told. Video Before Kirmuss Processing: kzfaq.info/love/q6s2TT2s7SgZu_7F1D37SQ Video After Kirmuss Restoration: Increase in signal and frequency response, pops gone. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lbiKaJN-rrbYhnU.html 2. From our record restoration event in Mexico City in front of Billboard Magazine and with an invitation only meeting of Discos two weeks ago held at the Margules factory, very nice of him, a record that was brought in that was processed prior with a vacuum cleaning system saw these results: Before Kirmuss; kzfaq.info-L2gIqQ3nok After Kirmuss: kzfaq.info_6_fhGWMBjM

i know.. the vinyl bits concern me as well...

The material you see appear is made visible by the colorant used in the ionizing spray that changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water. It shows you what the ultrasonic softened in the previous cycle. There is a rise and fall of the colorant as the process first removes the film on the record left over from prior cleaning methods that saw air, vacuum and spin dry used, then the film left on the record by the outgassing of the plasticizer while the record is in its record sleeve (for a week of 70 years), the release agent where fused into this cooling oil are dust and dirt particles that have landed on the record at the factory, causing those nasty unwanted pops in new records. Result: There are references to Charles Kirmuss and his machine and his restoration process, which takes record cleaning to another level. It's time consuming and not everyone wants to go to such lengths to achieve cleaning perfection but it's nonetheless an interesting and useful methodology that I have been skeptical about from "day one". Over time, Kirmuss has bought the tools and done the research to demonstrate the efficacy of what he does. One point I want to make about the Kirmuss system, which is that while it doesn't fan dry records and you need to use a microfiber cloth for drying, his process produces a record that's almost dry when I remove it from the water bath so drying is a quick few passes of the cloth. At the end of this review there's a demo of Kirmuss's "tin foil test", which he says separates the real cavitation machines from the ones in name only.

Watch at 24:54 he wipes the brush on his lab coat. Hmmm? Also, I question if the "soap" shows up if he sprays the record with "antifreeze " prior to putting in the machine.

Indeed, but how come some of the records didn't release the "soap" or whatever that foam is? It didn't look like he'd changed the brush.

The brush is pad dried with the rabbit microfiber cloth between applications. No need for an intense cleaning. It is used to apply the ionizing agent to the record. This is not a cleaning solution, rather, the spray when applied to the record by the brush changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water and thus attracting to the record the effects of cavitation. Between cycles as the charge wears off, one needs to reapply the ionizing agent with the brush. Yes Between applications we only need to pad dry the brush. ....As we reapply the charge, the colorant in the spray allows us to see what the ultrasonic softened in the prior cycle by witnessing first a rise in white materials surfacing, then a decrease. It is thus where one sees first a rise, then a decrease or rapid evaporation of this whitish material that confirms to you that there is nothing else for the ultrasonic to remove. Indicating last cycle in the machine. Restored records come out virtually dry. At the end of day we mist the brush with distilled water and then pad dry with the supplied rabbit microfiber work station cloth.

Do you follow the complete procedure (as recommended) or just do the ultrasonic part of it?

Yes, almost the complete procedure. Very last step should be rinsing with fresh distilled water; that's the only step I skip. I tried first not to go many times with the camel hair brush and the spray when needed: I can tell you that you really have to do those steps if necessary: the results are spectacular if you do.

We remove first films from prior cleaning processes that are air, vacuum or spun dry, then the outgassing of the plasticizer while the record is in its sleeve, then finally the pressing oil. Result: 1. Restoration of a Frank Sinatra Record. Mexico City Nov 2023 KirmussAudio event. Before restoration: Lots of noise. Crackles abound. Sound Muddled. The record was processed before in a 120 KHz ultrasonic. Processed 5 times. Before in a vacuum based cleaning system, so I was told. Video Before Kirmuss Processing: kzfaq.info/love/q6s2TT2s7SgZu_7F1D37SQ Video After Kirmuss Restoration: Increase in signal and frequency response, pops gone. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lbiKaJN-rrbYhnU.html 2. From our record restoration event in Mexico City in front of Billboard Magazine and with an invitation only meeting of Discos two weeks ago held at the Margules factory, very nice of him, a record that was brought in that was processed prior with a vacuum cleaning system saw these results: Before Kirmuss; kzfaq.info-L2gIqQ3nok After Kirmuss: kzfaq.info_6_fhGWMBjM @@airgead5391

He seemed to say it's not exactly anti-freeze but ethylene glycol used in antifreeze: Ethylene glycol is an organic compound with the formula (CH₂OH)₂. It is mainly used for two purposes, as a raw material in the manufacture of polyester fibers and for antifreeze formulations.

Thanks for clearing that up. This is why you ask questions, right?

Antifreeze also has other additives in it, many which are incredibly toxic and lethal to living organisms.

@@Woofy-tm8si Actually it is the EG that is toxic. My sis in law tried to kill herself with it. The additives aren't health food, but they are of lesser consequence.

1. Restoration of a Frank Sinatra Record. Mexico City Nov 2023 KirmussAudio event. Before restoration: Lots of noise. Crackles abound. Sound Muddled. The record was processed before in a 120 KHz ultrasonic. Processed 5 times. Before in a vacuum based cleaning system, so I was told. Video Before Kirmuss Processing: kzfaq.info/love/q6s2TT2s7SgZu_7F1D37SQ Video After Kirmuss Restoration: Increase in signal and frequency response, pops gone. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lbiKaJN-rrbYhnU.html 2. From our record restoration event in Mexico City in front of Billboard Magazine and with an invitation only meeting of Discos two weeks ago held at the Margules factory, very nice of him, a record that was brought in that was processed prior with a vacuum cleaning system saw these results: Before Kirmuss; kzfaq.info-L2gIqQ3nok After Kirmuss: kzfaq.info_6_fhGWMBjM

Worth buying?

The colorant in the ionizing spray that changes the charge if the record to be opposite to that of water to attract the effects of cavitation between cycles allows you to see what the cavitation pulled off the record and the grooves in the prior cycle. Not used as a cleaning solution, the spray when brushed onto the record changes the charge temporarily.

Not antifreeze. With the patent issued, it is propanediol 1,-2-178.

Think of what happens in your car..that new car smell. The plasticizer outgasses. Creates a film on the windshield. Same with a record in a record sleeve for 1 day or 70 years. In fact scratches seen on a record may actually be on this film. The Kirmuss removes this film and hence these scratches on this outgassing film are removed.

exactly

The spray is an ionizing agent that changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water. It attracts cavitation. There is a colorant that is in the spray. When the goat hair brush is used between cycles in the machine, the colorant allows one to see what the ultrasonic softened in the prior cycle. When there is rapid evaporation of this whitish material, this let's you know that there is nothing left on the record or in the record's grooves to be removed. Records also come out virtually dry as pvc and water have the same charge.

I had the same thought. The brush should have been rinsed and wouldn’t it also be wise to wipe the record of that soap before putting the album back in the same bath water that is used over and over?

If you start cleaning them when you are about 18 years old you may finish cleaning a very large collection before you die but only if you live to be 90 years old. I am all for cleaning records but cleaning an LP should not take longer than it takes to listen to it. Crazy!

Restoration is not surface cleaning or polishing a record as mentioned by Michael Fremer in his August 2022 column in Stereophile. Restoration removes the prior films left over from prior cleaning processes, then finally the release agent. Many discoveries since 2019.

Restoration removes the films left over from prior cleaning methods, then the film that coats the record while the record us in its sleeve as the plasticizer outgasses from the record, then the release agent. Yes the process requires three or four cycles in and out of the machine as the ionizing agent is washed off, once done, not to be repeated again. Guaranteed a 1.3 to 3 to 4 dB gain over floor and 8 to 32 % increase in frequency response. What do other processes guarantee?

@@grahamlockwood6242 Record restoration is not surface shining. If you want to just remove surface materials and shine a record, a two minute cycle in our machine suffices.

Sucrose is C12H22O11, Polyvinyl chloride is (C2H3Cl)n. There's no oxygen (O) in PVC. There's no chlorine (Cl) in sucrose. I really don't get what he's trying to pass off as being sugar in PVC... Are there hydrocarbons? Sure... does that make it a "living thing?" No.

PVC can be made from plant matter feedstock, including sugarcane, although it is more likely made from petrochemicals. That’s maybe where Kirmuss’ confusion comes from.

Andrew Wilson Hahahaha!

Camel holds the snake oil cleaning agent better.

Sorry someone stole our microfiber cloth at the show

@@kirmussaudio7578 you only had one cloth , despite anticipating many demonstrations ?

@@AB_Deck the video you are looking at is 4 years old. Cleaning of the brush is moot as we look fir the rise and fall of the whitish material which is what the sonic softened in the prior cycle. The spray is not a cleaning solution, rather , an ionizing spray that changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water to attract the effects of caviration. For more details call us at our office number. The spray is not a cleaning agent and if one uses the supplied microfiber rabbit cloth to dry the brush between cycles is immaterial as the record at the last cycle comes out virtually dry as per the Tribelectric table of charges sees both pvc and water have the same electrical charge

@@AB_Deck the records cone out dry due to the Tribelectric table of charges and where since 2029 we no longer mist the record. Consult our 2022 materials

Just responded to this. The brush is used to apply the ionizing agent to the record to change the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water and to attract cavitation. The brush is pad dried between applications. Used to see the rise and fall of the whitish materials appearing, part of the colorant in the ionizing spray. Only at the end of day is the applicator cleaned.

Its just the wetting agent being agitated by the the ultrasonic cleaner i noticed this would happen on my diy ultrasonic after a scrub if i didn't leave it it long enough.

He is rubbing the brush against the grooves to make bubbles, and then rubbing the brush parallel to the grooves to avoid making bubbles. This dude is salesman and a con

The spray is an ionizing agent with a colorant added. First as records and water have the same electrical charge the spray which us not a cleaning agent changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water to attract cavitation. As the ionizing spray is reapplied to the record, appearance of whitish materials confirms to the user that the ultrasonic indeed softened materials and removed them in the prior cycle. As one processes the record over several cycles, there is visible rise, then fall of white materials being brought up by the brush. Rapid evaporation indicates that there is nothing left to remove. Last cycle in the machine. A restored record also comes out virtually dry.

Something like this exists online in a 2 part, long write up by a man who has shared a last name with a Beatles' song.......Eleanor ..... :)

Gary Karlin in my experience, a lot of new records come with those flecks of vinyl from the pressing plant.

​@@universoulistic that is correct, caught in the release agent at the factory, now removed...

At our trade shows since 2019 we have a turntable present to listen to before and after processing. At these same trade shows we see manufacturers such as Jeff Rowland Design take a record brought in by a show attendee in their demo room and process it in front of them, then play the record in their studio. Results speak for themselves

At our shows we do before and after auditioning of records brought in. Of late we also messure the signal gain over floor. No record cleaning manufacturer warrants in dB gain over floor of what their process offers. We offer 1.3 to 3 to 4 dB gain over floor based on the provenance of the record. Removing about .84 microns of release agent.

The release agent ob e removed offers a 1.3 dB gain over floor. It also removes the pops caused by dust that landed on the hot record at the factory. ..micro welded into the groove. With release agent removed, one will no longer microweld at home dust that us on the record by the heat created by the dyne of the tonearm and of the needle heating the release agent.

@@kirmussaudio7578 Thank you for your reply.

Thanks! We have many updates and new discoveries on our web site.new videos coming.

1. Restoration of a Frank Sinatra Record. Mexico City Nov 2023 KirmussAudio event. Before restoration: Lots of noise. Crackles abound. Sound Muddled. The record was processed before in a 120 KHz ultrasonic. Processed 5 times. Before in a vacuum based cleaning system, so I was told. Video Before Kirmuss Processing: kzfaq.info/love/q6s2TT2s7SgZu_7F1D37SQ Video After Kirmuss Restoration: Increase in signal and frequency response, pops gone. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lbiKaJN-rrbYhnU.html 2. From our record restoration event in Mexico City in front of Billboard Magazine and with an invitation only meeting of Discos two weeks ago held at the Margules factory, very nice of him, a record that was brought in that was processed prior with a vacuum cleaning system saw these results: Before Kirmuss; kzfaq.info-L2gIqQ3nok After Kirmuss: kzfaq.info_6_fhGWMBjM

The agent applied is not a cleaning agent, rather, it changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water. This per the Tribelectric table of charges. Indeed we should also apply it to the dead wax area, albeit not as critical as to the rest of the record.

70% IPA is not made commercially by simply diluting 99.9% alcohol with distilled water. During covid many diffferent formulas circulated. The small addition of 70% IPA used to kill dormant or live fungus is used to protect the operator.

thanks

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The hot biscuit that is now pressed into a record and which sees pressure with heating of the PVC sees the pressing oil surface while the record is being made. It allows the record to pop out of the stamper. The record's come out hot, 130 deg f or so. Depends on the manufacturer. As the record cools, dust, dirt, contaminants that land on the cooling pressing oil get fused into the oil. Cause of those unwanted pops heard in playing new records. Release agent removed, pops now removed.

@@kirmussaudio7578 Thank you for the explanation.

@@zyphryx9 You are most welcome!

Website lists it for $850.

Thank Wonder if it's worth it? it's funny he says he uses isopropyl alcohol the guy shooting the video is Michael Fremer & he said in one of his other video's Do Not use isopropyl alcohol!!! he had some other stuffI for get what it's called off hand but for now my Q-tip+ isopropyl alcohol + my distilled water & vinyl vac tube have to do

Our unique process where we apply a charge on the record to be opposite to that of water that in turn attracts the effects of cavitation is the only known process to remove the record's release agent. That is why you will note where we need to reapply the ionizing agent to the record over several cycles as the induced charge washes off as the record spins in the machine. Each time we reapply the spray, we see a rise and fall if a whitish material appear. This is the colorant in the spray. This allows one to see what the ultrasonic softened in the prior cycle. A rapid evaporation let's you know that there is nothing left to remove from the record, last cycle. Also a restored record comes out virtually dry.

The spray is an ionizing agent. The Tribelectric table of charges states that both water and PVC have the same electrical charge. They repel. Further, the size of a water droplet is between 100 and 120 microns when compared to a record groove of 6 x 35-45 microns u shape. Spray applied changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water, attracting cavitation. The Spray nor the machine's water can touch the label. The colorant in the spray allows one to see what the ultrasonic softened in the prior cycle. Rapid dissipation indicates to the user where there is nothing else to remove, record restored. The needle now is riding the detail as pressed by the stamper. Depending on the provenance of the record, a 1.3 to 3 to 4 dB gain over floor and 8 to 32% gain in frequency response is realized.

1. Restoration of a Frank Sinatra Record. Mexico City Nov 2023 KirmussAudio event. Before restoration: Lots of noise. Crackles abound. Sound Muddled. The record was processed before in a 120 KHz ultrasonic. Processed 5 times. Before in a vacuum based cleaning system, so I was told. Video Before Kirmuss Processing: kzfaq.info/love/q6s2TT2s7SgZu_7F1D37SQ Video After Kirmuss Restoration: Increase in signal and frequency response, pops gone. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lbiKaJN-rrbYhnU.html 2. From our record restoration event in Mexico City in front of Billboard Magazine and with an invitation only meeting of Discos two weeks ago held at the Margules factory, very nice of him, a record that was brought in that was processed prior with a vacuum cleaning system saw these results: Before Kirmuss; kzfaq.info-L2gIqQ3nok After Kirmuss: kzfaq.info_6_fhGWMBjM

We use now a goat hair brush. Used just to apply the ionizing spray. This to change the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water. The brush is pad dried between cycles. The colorant in the spray allows one to see what the ultrasonic softened and removed in the prior cycle. Rapid dissipation of the "colorant", record restored, plus it comes out virtually dry. At the end of day the brush is misted with distilled water, then pad, then air dried. Brush and spray per say have nothing to do with cleaning, rather changing the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water to attract the effects of cavitation. Their implosions now close to the record, creates a vacuum that pulls materials of the record.

Its a super low concentration....40ml in 6L of water of the weakest percentage you normally see (70%).....or basically around only 2% of the water is 70% alcohol....so barely any there

The white material is what the ultrasonic softened in the prior cycle. The goat hair brush brings this up. When this material is seen to evaporate or dissappear, that is the last cycle in the machine. New records of 15 years or earlier do not in general use the same pvc mix, so we use a fixed process of one 5 minute cycle, four 2 minute cycles and one 5 minute cycle to process a record.

Look at the recent videos where before and after Kirmuss processing sees a gain in signal over floor if between 1.3 and 3 to 4 dB gain and 8 to 32 % increase in frequency response. This using a spectrum analyzer at the recent audio shows as well as one listening to the record.

Cavitation created microblubles that implode and create a void which pulls materials off the surface to be cleaned. Frequency of the ultrasonic generator driving the transducers generates different sized microblubles which in turn have a velocity measured in Cavins or watts per square centimeter. One needs to select the right Frequency to allow safe removal of the contaminants. As to records. Dirt, dust and fungus are 3 to 5 microns in size. So, in our case, we use a 35Khz ultrasonic with resonance added to even out Cavitation and prividing even cavitation from the record's edge to the dead wax area for a maximum ultrasonic load of 4 records.

Spain Clean would be a great name for a special edition spin clean 😋

Soy is being used as a filler in some plastics used for records.