Two years have past... did God answer your question yet?

​@@thj9760No, b'cos I only just read his question.

Propp is brilliant! Why isn't there more from him out there?

Hard to focus on the content. Too much rocking. Can't he stand still? And too much asides

The guy is terrific!

I thought the first of those texts were written in proto semetic?

Paleo hebrew

You guys still buying the Moses Exodus story 👌 and the burning Bush

Old Man from Scene Twenty Four i like your screen name.

Well, many of his observations about the P and E strands or authors in the first four books of the Pentateuch and the attribution of the fifth to a completely different origin are not new. But yes, the exposition is compelling. It certainly leaves no room for secret codes or gemsatria, not to mention the idea of supernatural origins or inerrancy.

Bart Ehrman is a jerk. This guy is funny, Ehrman is not.

Continue asking questions. Continue learning. Do not fear any knowledge. Continue being curious about everything. Study philosophy, logic, critical reasoning. Learn about psychology and neuroscience. Learn about decision-making. Learn about cognitive bias. Enjoy the journey of learning!

How can you be assured you are seeking the truth and not your own (potentially) selfish desires?

Your comment appears well spoken. When mankind puts their confidence in scholars ( some have well intent but lack real FAITH ) the result is their reliance on scholar jargon against their total reliance on Faith in God. God inspired vs. scholar design. There should be no argument regarding who wrote the Torah or any books of the bible. God is divine. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? God always used inspired men to speak, write, to interpret and the like. Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.

The Bible is a collection of stories many taken from Mesopotamia and then changed a bit which was common back then. Flood story. Creation of Adam, Cain and Abel’s sacrificing food to god and many others are from older stories. Writings from proverbs found in Egypt that are older. I could go one but you get the point. Do your research and you’ll find the real truth.

@@soundjudgement3586 it wasn't written by God tho, lol what's your point?

That's virtually impossible. There are no references to Greek culture or Greek loan words in the canonical Hebrew Bible. There is a clear development of the Hebrew language over the course of the canonical texts, and clear incongruities between different ideological schools of thought, that would be impossible to fake if all the books were written within a singular cultural context. There are intratextual citations and complex layers of redaction that would only exist if the text was a product of centuries of accretion and editing.

They have a lot of tradition from ancient Egypt and their gods are of canaanite origins (el king of the gods and husband of asherah and yawei was one of his sons)

Russell is 100% correct.

That library is an egytptian library. You know like taking someone's home land and naming it something else like Egypt. He didn't put the library together. Just renamed it

@@abhbible thank you for your logical scholarly answer.

No

What exactly is surprising to you? Aramaic is the oldest continuously spoken and written language in the Middle East, even older than written Hebrew and Arabic.

Hebrew is a later language. Scripture was written in Yahudyath, which is Phoenician.

No. He said it's written in Hebrew using the Aramaic script.

@@jimpalmer2981 Indeed. Although some of the books of what is known the Old Testament among Christians and Tanach by Judaism were originally written in the Aramaic language, (for example, Ecclesiastes / Koehler), the ones he was referring to were redacted/compiled I n ancient Hebrew, using the ancient Hebrew script, that was later swapped for the Aramaic script that we know today. The Samaritans, though, kept the old script.

Not all Jewish people are believers or observant of the laws. Since this colloquium is hosted by the International Institute for Secular Humanistic Judaism, I don’t suppose the Bible scholarship they are interested in is bound by religious tradition.

Edgy

First Bible is the Hebrew bible of about -525 ... It is "Cana'anized" NOT Canonized!

He said it was written in the second century BCE

Talmud is 4th Century.....GEEEZ.....The older compilation is called the Jerusalem Talmud or the Talmud Yerushalmi. It was compiled in the 4th century in Galilee. The Babylonian Talmud was compiled about the year 500.

1st Talmud dates 3-4th century

The "Book of the Dead" has the 10 commandments and the story of Horus. Horus has dozens of parallels with Moses and 118 with Jesus. The "Book of the Dead" compiled from positive and negative testaments written thousands years before the Torah. The Bible isn't a record of history. It is plagiarized from several pagan mythologies.

There was no Talmud before 2nd century only Mishmah. Talmud was still an oral tradition at this point.

@@faithfultheology that's because you're taking what he's saying from a religious point of view. These are agnostic, humanist/ secular Jews. They are laughing because, like atheists, they understand the absurdities written in the bible and find it humorous what some people believe.

Wallahi can you guys just let us enjoy our lecture without preaching to us please? being overly preachy about atheism is still being overly preachy all the same! you’re being no different so some random jehovah’s witness rn.