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Ike - Loyalty

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Күн бұрын

Tom Selleck Discusses Loyalty

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@FerretJohn
@FerretJohn 2 жыл бұрын
In May 1944 Henry J. F. Miller was sent home, demoted to Lt. Colonel. Six months later he retired from the Army due to physical disability. After leaving the service he took an advisory position with a war plant. In December 1948 he was promoted on the retired list to Brigadier General. One month later, on January 7, 1949, General Miller passed away and was buried at Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery next to his wife who passed away six years earlier.
@fredjones554
@fredjones554 5 жыл бұрын
Tom Selleck is an underated actor
@garycleveland6410
@garycleveland6410 4 жыл бұрын
Damn good actor.
@bamarine247
@bamarine247 4 жыл бұрын
“We both owe that to the men who will be dead in a few weeks.” The gut check that pride and glory have no place in dealing with human lives.
@Hawaiian80882
@Hawaiian80882 Жыл бұрын
Never get tired of this scene...
@jerrymccrae7202
@jerrymccrae7202 5 жыл бұрын
My Dad was one of the thousands at Utah beach on June 6. The more i research his role and the older I Get, the more i realise the incredable burden of total command that Eisenhower was under! How he must have thought of that decision the rest of his life! It had to be made!
@joemckim1183
@joemckim1183 3 жыл бұрын
Even if Miller would never do it again he still had to make the decision just to set an example to the rest of the officers to not F up like that yourself.
@nuancolar7304
@nuancolar7304 4 жыл бұрын
"A betrayal of the many commands." That's the first time I've heard that phrase.
@kingpin6989
@kingpin6989 4 жыл бұрын
Of the men he commands.
@Thelastminstrel
@Thelastminstrel 5 жыл бұрын
What an incredible, profound burden to place on one mans shoulders; At your decision, and yours alone, two million men, five thousand ships, ten thousand aircraft, are hurled onto the deadliest beach ever assaulted. And the moment you say GO, you become the most powerless man in Europe. Everything then depends on the 17/18/19 year old boys-men in those boats going ashore and the same men dropping out of the night sky into the dark behind the beaches. I don't see how they did it. "Where do we get such men? Where do we get them?"
@78.BANDIT
@78.BANDIT 4 жыл бұрын
They weren't born to pussy parents trying to be their friend. An having a Father there to show them responsibly and how to be a man.
@billp.8489
@billp.8489 2 жыл бұрын
The West Point connections were important up to that time, you could get a lot swept under the rug because of that. For Eisenhower to send him home showed how big of an error Miller had made and sent a message to the rest who were in on the planning. They had to do a lot of investigating to see if the plan was even feasible after that incident and conceal that they were sending Miller home. The efforts put into concealing D Day was huge, secrecy and misdirection made it work.
@lawv804
@lawv804 2 жыл бұрын
Damn good movie. It never got the credit it deserved.
@sequoyah59
@sequoyah59 7 жыл бұрын
The small stuff is personal of course. This was a very good movie well cast and well acted. Sellick did a great job with it.
@victorbonilla4634
@victorbonilla4634 4 жыл бұрын
He got off easy. Revealing classified info is a court-martial offense.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
If he hadn’t been a general and know Ike so well he might have had more trouble. But I doubt it. This was much worse than this movie is showing.
@1987AnimeBoy
@1987AnimeBoy 3 жыл бұрын
@@ronniebishop2496 Ike did tell Miller that their friendship is what prevented him(Ike) from seriously court-martialing him(Miller).
@mikehiggins946
@mikehiggins946 Жыл бұрын
Very underrated movie. The best, most factual portrayal of the leadup to D-Day in the Allied high command in southern England. If you're interested in WWII history, particularly in the European Theater of Operations, you must see this movie. You will not be sorry you did!
@jacktattis
@jacktattis Жыл бұрын
I liked this depiction
@dangerfindertreasureseeker8905
@dangerfindertreasureseeker8905 3 жыл бұрын
That kind of behavior would have gotten the General shot if this took place in Russia. Stalin was executing his commanders by the dozen for less. Ike is a great General , he still trying to save some kind of high rank instead of just sending him home in total disgrace.
@TheCoolProfessor
@TheCoolProfessor 7 жыл бұрын
The burden of leadership is a hard one.
@piehound
@piehound 4 жыл бұрын
@ 4:10 or 4:11. "It's the details, the small stuff." Send this quote to all my "friends" who told me *don't sweat the small stuff.* Thanks for all your help and insight . . . smarty pants, wise - guys, know - it - alls, and trash - talkers.
@timlafreniere1580
@timlafreniere1580 3 жыл бұрын
I always like the George carlin quote (don’t sweat the petty stuff) and (don’t pet the sweaty stuff)
@2000Betelgeuse
@2000Betelgeuse 7 жыл бұрын
Ike was more a politician than a General.....but that how the army worked and still works....its a big political machine as much as war machine
@irgski
@irgski 6 жыл бұрын
2000Betelgeuse and a “social experiment”...
@vburd62
@vburd62 6 жыл бұрын
don't kid yourself he was a general first and foremost..who had to be a politician when necessary.
@flankspeed
@flankspeed 6 жыл бұрын
He turned out to be a pretty good president in the end too.
@nuancolar7304
@nuancolar7304 6 жыл бұрын
He became a politician later, after the war, but only because he seemed to a lot of people NOT to be a politician.
@georgeyoung92
@georgeyoung92 Жыл бұрын
@@vburd62 He disciplined a soldier for saying "British son of a bitch", told him not to say British next time. That was Ike's politics in his position. Chosen because of his invasion planning but also for his personal demeanor.
@rayjr62
@rayjr62 7 жыл бұрын
...it's the small stuff... profound.
@henryweaver667
@henryweaver667 5 жыл бұрын
The is no inner circle.
@fooman2108
@fooman2108 6 жыл бұрын
The fact that the general was seated when Ike rolled in also ought to say something. This guys should have been standing tall and so straight that the wall would seem to be wavy. You are a general (brevet) and stay seated in front of a five star general?
@TheOlesarge
@TheOlesarge 5 жыл бұрын
First thing Eisenhower said when he walked in was "At Ease".
@Baskerville22
@Baskerville22 3 жыл бұрын
Eisenhower was NOT a 5-Star General before D-Day. He was made a 5-star General of the USA on 10 Dec.1944, 6 months AFTER D-Day. Even then, it was a "temporary" rank. He was not made a permanent 5-star General of the Regular Army until 11 April 1946, almost a year after the European War ended.
@brucenadeau2172
@brucenadeau2172 Жыл бұрын
​@@Baskerville22 ike was still a 4 star general the major general still could have trid to raise
@phyllisbentley5067
@phyllisbentley5067 7 жыл бұрын
Three officers including another General are on record reporting this guy by the way, not just one guy who's normal working environment is described as any place were he is "surrounded by enemy combatants", and who's combat training and skills were rated among the highest in the world at the time. If you would like another example of the problems regarding security during time of war involving the people 'running the show', look up "The May Incident". It involves an elected official and a bunch of IDIOT newsmen who didn't think it was wrong to reveal or publish Classified Secret information involving submarine operations in the Pacific.
@edmonddantes3640
@edmonddantes3640 5 жыл бұрын
@@mynamejeff785 lf you were in submarines as you say, then you also know that the Japanese Long Lance torpedo was way better than ours. The IJN was skilled at night fighting, their air wing were masters of the sky, they wiped the floor with us around Guadalcanal until we learned how to fight back and got more radar equipped ships. It was a slow, arduous and many sailors died before that happened. The Japanese Navy were many things but stupid wasn't one of them.
@brt-jn7kg
@brt-jn7kg 5 жыл бұрын
And that incident costs a lot of good boys their lives!
@None-zc5vg
@None-zc5vg 3 жыл бұрын
@@edmonddantes3640 U.S. torpedoes were so bad early on that they didn't explode on hitting a ship or they ran amok (as with the ace submarine 'Tang', sunk by its own torpedo with the loss of most of its crew).
@Davevegasful
@Davevegasful Жыл бұрын
The fact he didn’t stand when Ike entered is shocking and disrespectful
@robertbishop5357
@robertbishop5357 5 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was a close friend of Eisenhower.
@harrystuart4724
@harrystuart4724 5 жыл бұрын
Read the book by Stephen Ambrose, D-Day June 6, 1944. In it he tells of Eisenhower calling Lt. General Walter Bedell (Beetle) Smith the perfect chief of staff. Would pull the book and give you the page number but I'm still on my morning coffee.
@thevillaaston7811
@thevillaaston7811 5 жыл бұрын
Ambrose wrote rubbish.
@Housey1985
@Housey1985 3 жыл бұрын
@@thevillaaston7811 yep, he was a plagiarist
@justinnelson7658
@justinnelson7658 2 жыл бұрын
In my humble view, to comment now, all of June 6 1944 dead and gone, I will keep it in what mind set those of June 1944 considered. Officers, especially generals, would care of self advance ment, troops to be cannon fodder. Based on reenact ment, General Miller and his drinking, living it up, he would be self aware more so and self image would take priority over mission and over troops. In the scene with Miller living it up and a world war raging, D-Day Miller was privy to verbally spoken openly in the club due to his drinking, he had it good. Again, him thinking of self, he was a weak leader and cared of his self image, first, more so, only. Eisenhower had to relieve Miller, regardless of friend ship. Miller being true to him SELF, spoke direct, him owed some thing and inner circle, more so of HIM returning state side, a Major. He cared nothing of June 6 and the troops, many to never be officers enjoying "the good stuff". Eisenhower did right as Miller other wise would have been a liability in battle, focused on him SELF and easily risking his objectives for SELF image. Many generals, as reported of in world war 2, like MacArthur, thought of "glory", yet war in it self was violent, rough and death often, no "glory" for regular troops. Generals, self image aware, like Miller, him being relieved was the necessary choice.
@georgeyoung92
@georgeyoung92 Жыл бұрын
Audie Murphy was once visited on a Hollywood set by Gen. Mark Clark for whom he had no respect because of his decisions in the war. Murphy was silent until Clark remembered that Medal of Honor winners are to be saluted first, regardless of rank or active duty. Glory does not belong to the generals but to the men who fight heroically. Murphy paid a very high price with lifetime PTSD and screaming nightmares which caused his first divorce. I knew officers who did not care about enlisted men or even about obeying orders if it did not suit them.
@scottburton509
@scottburton509 5 ай бұрын
You can see Eisenhower (Selleck) grow older from the strain of command.
@mikeford1273
@mikeford1273 Жыл бұрын
Also strange but true..they had to stop officers from the French army buying all the maps of Normandy as this would also be a wee bit suspect!😂
@patrickmcshane7658
@patrickmcshane7658 6 жыл бұрын
he could have demoted him to private and be on the lead boat into Normandy.
@stephenfgdl
@stephenfgdl 5 жыл бұрын
don't think you can demote an officer to enlisted... but he should could have demoted his ass to a first ieutenant
@patrickmcshane7658
@patrickmcshane7658 5 жыл бұрын
He could volunteer to be a private
@dangerfindertreasureseeker8905
@dangerfindertreasureseeker8905 3 жыл бұрын
Being knocked down to Col. is a still a nasty drop given the Generals age and the fact that his chances for advancement is slim at best .
@brucenadeau2172
@brucenadeau2172 Жыл бұрын
​@@dangerfindertreasureseeker8905 he was lucky ike did not have him shot he talk about secret info where anybody could hear him was over heard by a strange junior officeer
@TheMaleRei
@TheMaleRei 4 жыл бұрын
"Theater Rank" is how it's stated in the vid. "permanent rank" is what he was demoted to as far as Wikia is concerned. Was there a rank in the Army of the United States vs A rank in the United States Army?
@lawv804
@lawv804 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Officers promoted to Army of US ranks still retain their regular army ranks. Simply removing someone like Miller from position was a defacto punishment and demotion, and was very easy to do since it didn't require a court marshal.
@richardpearcy6149
@richardpearcy6149 Жыл бұрын
General Eisenhower permanent rank was Colonel in 1940 (?) and based on his time in grade would not been eligible to promote to Brigadier General until 1950 were it not for the outbreak of the war.
@robschmidt3078
@robschmidt3078 6 жыл бұрын
Is this scene real life or apocryphal? Either way it shows what weighed heavy on Eisenhower as SCAEF
@AsuraDandy
@AsuraDandy 6 жыл бұрын
it was real, he got drunk at a party in London and revealed the date of the invasion "Operation Overlord" (better known as D-Day when the Allies landed on the beaches of Normandy) if the germans had gotten wind of that, the operation would have probably been a complete failure as the nazi's would've known it was coming and prepare their defenses. He was demoted permanently to Colonel and sent home and did not participate in the war because he lost the trust of Ike.
@saudade2100
@saudade2100 5 жыл бұрын
@ Rob Schmidt en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_J._F._Miller
@carlosfavela496
@carlosfavela496 4 жыл бұрын
S. H. A. E. F., SHAEF
@jacktattis
@jacktattis Жыл бұрын
well if true Ike did the right thing and tried to save his rank
@trekkiejunk
@trekkiejunk 4 жыл бұрын
This might be the biggest, most awkward miscast of an historical figure that i've ever seen. He looks nothing like him, acts nothing like him and talks nothing like him. No fault of Tom Selleck, as he's a competent actor. He was just grossly miscast. As Selleck himself said when first offered the role, "Why me?"
@None-zc5vg
@None-zc5vg 3 жыл бұрын
I thought Selleck got into the part so well that he delivered an 'essential' Ike that made you forget any physical/behavioural differences between the two men: it was less about looks than the character of a man under tremendous pressure.
@timlafreniere1580
@timlafreniere1580 3 жыл бұрын
I always found it interesting that he would say you could invade Russia at dinner sounds like Patton what he knew as a soldier not a politician I know it’s not popular but at the time we could’ve freed the Russian people and saved 50 million lives from Stalin and change the course of history but we didn’t I’m pretty sure Russia was thinking we might they were done but we weren’t the aggressors Even though people will argue Our need to colonize but I believe in this case it would’ve been in the worlds best interest
@rangergxi
@rangergxi 3 жыл бұрын
So the USA attacks Russia. Western Europe is experiencing a famine, and the USA ignores that to fight Russians. Those starving people become communists and begin attacking the Americans. Americans back home protest this random war of aggression, and more people become spies for the USSR.
@dpeasehead
@dpeasehead Жыл бұрын
@timlafreniere: The Russian army of 1944 was no push over and any invasion would have been seen predictable Anglo Saxon betrayal by the slavs. Nothing good would have come of it.
@EskimoJoe492
@EskimoJoe492 6 жыл бұрын
Did this actually happen?
@harryplummer6356
@harryplummer6356 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, it did.
@mr.barkyvonschnauzer1710
@mr.barkyvonschnauzer1710 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, Tom Selleck fired his roommate
@TheOlesarge
@TheOlesarge 5 жыл бұрын
@@mr.barkyvonschnauzer1710 He fired Higgins???????
@saudade2100
@saudade2100 4 жыл бұрын
YES it happened. The guy’s name was Henry J F Miller. Google the name and find the link. I linked it elsewhere here, as did others. Surely there was literary license, but the underlying story is true.
@saudade2100
@saudade2100 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, looking at the Google hits for the name, I am impressed that it was well-covered by the press at the time (right after D-day, fair enough).
@ericbengtson2822
@ericbengtson2822 3 жыл бұрын
Horrible video and audio quality.
@metropcs1521
@metropcs1521 5 жыл бұрын
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