IKEA's Sonos Speaker Has a Secret

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When IKEA launched its own line of smart speakers in collaboration with Sonos, many wondered how they were able to sell them for such low cost. I tore one down and discovered the answer.
Sources and more information:
Main CPU: MCIMX6X2EVN10AC, www.nxp.com/part/MCIMX6X2EVN10AC
RAM: Nanya NT5CC128M16JR-EK, www.nanya.com/en/Product/4115...
Ethernet PHY: Maxim 78Q2133, www.maximintegrated.com/en/pr...
Audio DAC: TI PCM5101A, www.ti.com/product/PCM5101A
Flash memory: Winbond W29N02GVSIAA, www.winbond.com/resource-file...
Amp: TI TPA3116, www.ti.com/product/TPA3116D2
iFixit Play:1 teardown: www.ifixit.com/Device/Sonos_P...
Play:1 FCC filings: fccid.io/SBVRM009
Play:1's original PowerPC-based CPU: www.nxp.com/part/MPC8314VRADDA
Play:1 switched to ARM-based CPUs: / 2015_vs_2017_play_1
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@ThisDoesNotCompute 4 жыл бұрын

An interesting note that I cut from the video for time, but still worth sharing: The Play:1 doesn't support AirPlay, but Symfonisk does. If they share the same internal components, why is this? It all comes down to that FCC filing for the Play:1 -- the PowerPC CPU originally used isn't powerful enough, but the ARM chip that Sonos switched to is dramatically faster. Sonos *could* technically offer a firmware update for newer Play:1 models to add AirPlay support, but likely won't as it would confuse owners of older, PPC-based Play:1s ("why does my speaker not get the update, but other people's do?"). I'd love to see someone with embedded systems experience figure out how to dump the contents of Syfonisk's boot media and write it to a Play:1, preferably over the network (partially because I really want AirPlay on the Play:1 I bought to tear down for this episode).

@steinarnie 4 жыл бұрын

This Does Not Compute Poly Fill is used in an enclosure when the woofer is in an enclosure that isn't large enough.

@T00LF00L 4 жыл бұрын

The new Play One does support AirPlay

@innnlove 4 жыл бұрын

are you sure it's connected via pcie and not usb?

@77numerouno 4 жыл бұрын

Great video 👍

@ErebuBat 4 жыл бұрын

T00LF00L the Play:1 (no airplay) and the Play One (airplay + alexa) are not the se product. It wasn't clear which This Does Not Compute has frrom the video, but the FCC filing he showed was for the Play:1

@dempleon4791 4 жыл бұрын

I work for an Ikea CDC and they gave all the employees a symfonisk speaker for Christmas. I love it.

@donwilson 4 жыл бұрын

Such a high quality video and teardown

@mob1235 4 жыл бұрын

for such low quality speakers

@GlacialLake 4 жыл бұрын

with such a clickbait title.

@TheRailroad99 4 жыл бұрын

@@GlacialLake I agree, review was amazing, title not. There is nothing secretly bad about this as the title suggests. @mob1235 I don't think they are that bad. Don't get me wrong, of course there exist better ones but the design seems to be of good (build) quality (Except those CapXon caps). The audio quality won't be the best, but decent enough for the average consumer. The only thing I can't understand is why people in General want those mono "intelligent" speakers at home. Even a rather cheap stereo/5.1 system sounds a lot better if set up correctly in the room.

@koshu4 4 жыл бұрын

It's presented well but riddled with technical errors and incorrect assumptions. The conclusions are completely wrong. Enjoy the pictures, ignore the commentary.

@noorazmi2329 4 жыл бұрын

Beware. Outside beautiful. Inside rotten

@smitthone 4 жыл бұрын

Ikea sales volumes and distribution is something sonos would have never achieved alone

@aritakalo8011 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Also easily explains the price drop. When one is buying on the Ikea scale for their global store network, one gets to tend bulk discounts even Sonos sized company never could dream off. Sonos was big in USA with retail deals.... Ikea is big Everywhere. It brings whole different scale. Plus Sonos previously mostly sold to audio interested people ordering online or specifically going to electronics/audio stores..... The Symphonisks..... next to the lamps in Ikea on the corridor everyone has to walk past to get to check out. Ikea masters of the "you are in our buying maze and don't walk out without something in shopping cart." Plus well Ikea is privately owned and plays the long game. So they can run smaller but still decent margin, since there is no investors and shareholder to please with high margins to keep the stock price high. While paying royalties etc. to Sonos.... Who do have to keep the stock market happy and the speakers where their only business, so those must have pretty healthy margins. The Kamprad family has been wealthy beyond their ability to spend all that money due to Ikea for decades.... So they have no need to start suddenly trying to make a quick big buck. As long as the Ikea corp stays healthily profitable overall, the Kamprad don't care. These private family companies operate in completely different mindset compared to public stock companies. Kamprads and Ikea, Meyers of Meyer Werft so on and so on. They play the long game. The now past Ingvar Kamprad was also known to live very frugally and be cost conscious. So not only they had money beyond to spend, they spend pretty much none of it. Don't know if the tune has changed since Ingvar passed. Probably not, if he raised his children to same frugality mentality.

@germedia4369 4 жыл бұрын

@@aritakalo8011 and there is one other thing.. Symfonisk is cheap, but you will never see this thing in sale.. Ikea can push their price more aggressiv because they always know their profit

@mamba109 4 жыл бұрын

@@germedia4369 depends on your Ikea. Here there is an "As-is" section where they sell customer returns and I've seen these speakers like-new and heavily discounted.

@Tylenol514 4 жыл бұрын

@@mamba109 That has to do with warranty, IKEA cannot repackage and sell as new once opened. Most of them are only opened boxes and in brand new condition too!

@monroe2245 4 жыл бұрын

Channels like these are performing a real service. Keeping the Big Co's transparent and the public informed one teardown at a time. ;) Thank you for all your hard work!

@lucasrem 3 жыл бұрын

real service? or just entertainment? what items you have opened, all gear in house?

@shifty2755 2 жыл бұрын

@@lucasrem He wants him to cover vibrators next. 👍

@Chimera_Photography Жыл бұрын

"Keeping companies transparent" .. Wow... That's what you got from this you WOKE toolbag?

@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy Жыл бұрын

Another reason why soon almost everything will be glued shut and it will have the worst parts possible.

@abeautifulmindispoetrydefi5323 4 жыл бұрын

One of the best tech strip downs that I have watched in a long time. You know your stuff, and you are excellent at bringing it down to the level of the average joe, who just wants to know whether it's the ticket or if it's a dud. Keep up the good work.

@Raven3one 4 жыл бұрын

I wish every product review was like this

@unboxedtravels 4 жыл бұрын

Me too !!!

@cncgeneral 4 жыл бұрын

Wadding will generally reduce bass level but increase extension while smoothing midrange response. However, it's unlikely that the amount in the non-Sonos speaker was enough to affect sound, especially not for the target audience

@TekGeekHD 4 жыл бұрын

Not sure how I've never heard of this channel. This was a brilliant video - Definitely earned my subscription! :)

@vapingwithjames3370 4 жыл бұрын

I’m really like the lamp/speaker idea, especially for people who don’t have lots of space for conventional speakers. Great video

@juzzlookin 4 жыл бұрын

Wow! What a great review, the best I've ever seen, great depth and camera work, and proving every point. Brilliant. I doff my hat sir.

@jasonwalsh9211 4 жыл бұрын

I would imagine this is becoming more common for manufacturers to share components rather than each design and manufacture from scratch.... it's been a common practice in automotive for some years now. Thanks for the video, always interesting to see what's inside.

@BilisNegra 3 жыл бұрын

What strikes me the most, regardless of the discussion at hand, is how people now conceives mono sound as something absolutely normal.

@jackwilson5542 3 жыл бұрын

Another reason to go with headphones over a speaker.

@klaasj7808 3 жыл бұрын

yes weird shit

@HerreDePerre 3 жыл бұрын

@@jackwilson5542 that’s not a reason to go headphones over speakers. Its a reason to buy decent stereo speakers.

@AAndinoPhoto 4 жыл бұрын

Hard to not click with that title Killer job dude. Well put together and attention to detail was great!

@TheOzthewiz 4 жыл бұрын

Kind of reminds me of Scotty Kilmer's click bait, DON'T..............then shows a picture of a new Toyota!

@jerrywolsztyniak8834 4 жыл бұрын

Probably the best review and teardown of the Symfonisk (ahem Sonos) (AHEM GGEC) on KZfaq. Nicely done.

@OrenArieli 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent teardown and analysis. You're a true credit to the KZfaq community.

@660hp 4 жыл бұрын

As always I really enjoy this teardowns, even if are products that I probably never going to buy it. The research on every chip, every component to really understand how everything works is very interesting and the production is very good, that's why I take a moment this time to leave a comment, thank you and keep with the good work.

@adyandrey23andrey 4 жыл бұрын

Such a calming and pleasing to watch video. Thanks!

@mavicosbeautypersonalcare5645 4 жыл бұрын

Fantastic teardown video with detailed review of components, I think you have set benchmarks of how teardowns should be done!

@stp22 4 жыл бұрын

Good way for Sonos to get rid of old stock parts clogging their warehouses.

@redtalks9094 3 жыл бұрын

True

@futura555 3 жыл бұрын

Usually companies like these are not holding the pieces of a device in their warehouses. They are manufactured to order, so the GGEC, which is known in audio manufacturing world, produces the parts, orders some parts from third tier suppliers and assembles it all for Sonos or other brand, according to their specs and design. Unless Sonos chose to go with pre-designed audio stacking, and relies more on software to tune the sound to their signature. That would explain the similarities. It's perfectly normal in industry to rely on readymade ( so called off-the-shelf) solutions that are tested and provide good enough quality.

@moclan582 2 жыл бұрын

No way. IKEAs sales volume is way higher than what Sonos could have ever achieved

@inmatejason 4 жыл бұрын

This was an awesome review, I love details and tear downs, thanks

@Watcher3223 4 жыл бұрын

For those wondering about the BB symbol on the PCM5101A, that's the logo for Burr-Brown, which is a Texas Instruments subsidiary.

@codydowling1120 4 жыл бұрын

This was a *fantastic* teardown. Excellent job from a new subscriber.

@Collateralcoffee 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot. This is a REALLY THOROUGH video!!! Lots of explanations, and my technical geekness is entirely satisfied.

@DeputatKaktus 4 жыл бұрын

Who made this RAM chip? - Nanya Business. 🤪 (Sorry)

@theAnniJoe 4 жыл бұрын

I chucked and had to look it up myself...😂 Nanya means South Asia in its original Mandarin.

@alexandriaoccasional-corte1346 4 жыл бұрын

I thought it was Speed Ltd. 😁

@Bishka100 4 жыл бұрын

I thought he said 'Narnia' not 'Nanya'....I was quite disappointed, I always wanted to have tea with Mr Tumnus.

@ThisNewZealandGuy 4 жыл бұрын

“Comedy gold”

@RennieAsh 4 жыл бұрын

Bishka100 you can have roast lamb with him, aka ram 🐏

@donaldscheer5206 4 жыл бұрын

Very Well Done Tare Down Review! You know your stuff!

@freeelectron8261 4 жыл бұрын

Nice tear-down and market analysis. Thanks TDNC!

@Oystein87 4 жыл бұрын

Bigger magnets than I thought.. That's a pluss👍 The damping material don't help with bass response but helps to remove resonance in the box👍

@CuChiKat 4 жыл бұрын

Anyone remember Quadrasonic Systems ? They were hot during the seventies, they even had Quadrasonic vinyl albums. It was like a double stereo system and required 4 speakers, ah the good old days !

@nutzeeer 4 жыл бұрын

The price of this speaker does NOT AT ALL warrant low quality caps. Its only a decision against the consumer to produce a limited lifetime product. Nobody should ever use cheap caps.

@johnfrancisdoe1563 4 жыл бұрын

nutzeeer Of cause there are products that use cheap caps just to keep the price down. But what most people miss is these two points: - The original bad caps plague was some factories using a bad electrolyte mix that died much earlier than planned. This was fixed many years ago and you'll have to search old stock on eBay etc. to find new caps with this problem. - Every big brand offers cap models with different planned lifetime. The current "short lifetime Panasonic" probably dies before the current "long lifetime CapXon", though I haven't any hard data.

@RichieRouge206 4 жыл бұрын

nutzeeer everything is cut down in price. Look at Mercedes 😂

@nutzeeer 4 жыл бұрын

@@johnfrancisdoe1563 panasonic is the definition of long life. No product of them we own has ever died. Even our VCR still works.

@johncoops6897 4 жыл бұрын

@@johnfrancisdoe1563 - well said. Personally, I consider CapXon is about the right quality level for what is, basically, a shitty cheap Ikea product. It's absolutely ridiculous to expect Nichicon, Panasonic or any other "name brand" caps in a GENERIC brand appliance.

@sthenzel 4 жыл бұрын

Cap brand choices aside - the price difference between a cheap cap and its better variant in relation to the product´s price is more or less negligible, in a device like that it´s most likely less than a dollar.Many manufacturers use 85C caps in consumer products, these caps often start to fail after 2 or 3 years, conveniently not too long after the warranty runs out (planned obsolescence). The 105C variant runs much longer (if it fails at all within the reasonable maximum usage time), as its max temperature rating offers a much larger margin to the usual operating temperatures (around 40 to 60° celsius).The price difference between the temp rating is somewhere around 10%. The speaker´s equipped with 105s, so even with the cheaper brand caps, it´s reasonable to expect them to last about as long as top brand 85s.

@oahupc4688 4 жыл бұрын

Masterful video! The production value is amazing.

@3ull 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome review. This is the right format for us techie guys. Lets get some home speaker reviews going!

@TerjeMathisen 4 жыл бұрын

Using those designed-to-fail CapXon capacitors is actually quite interesting seeing that in IKEA's home Scandinavian market we have a minimum 5-year warranty on all non-moving electronics parts, i.e. we have a Supreme Court ruling in Norway stating that a TV remote control has to last at least that long, unless it is the buttons that fail, in which case normal 2-3 year warranties apply. I've just verified that Symfonisk is in fact available in my local Oslo IKEA stores, so this means that they are most likely just taking a chance, since I don't believe it would make sense to have a different version here.

@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy Жыл бұрын

Thank on the insight, didn't know this so It sure seem is a gamble but then again on the other side we have plenty of idiots in the world who will buy this and either forget and lose the papers when they bought it or don't even care just buy another garbage in a row ... Think the people who will file for warranty will be a minimal number of people for whom the replacement or striking another deal or credit in shop will be a easier way out and overall not that much of a big problem anyway. Pay us X amount of money and you will get a new ''better'' model. The customer gets another device and they still made some money on it even with a discount. Since these are dirt cheap to produce anyway. They make money on these no matter what.

@lolilollolilol7773 Жыл бұрын

Even more surprising is the fact that they didn't use MDF for the enclosure, given it's literally what they do best. I have the feeling that IKEA only gave a price point to SONOS and that was it. It's a bit disappointing, as IKEA has all the power and process to sell a much higher quality speaker system at sensible prices.

@Zanzibar2Far 4 жыл бұрын

When you look at the dirt cheap bill of materials and simple construction, it amazes me this costs as much as £99.

@evshrug 4 жыл бұрын

Bill of materials + China labor + factory manager + supply chain + design royalties (pay Sonos?) + shipping + IKEA store overhead... and then to stay in business, your margins need to be like 4x the cost of manufacture. As the narrator to this video says, this speaker probably has an unusually low margin in the hopes that customers buy accessories and other IKEA products. Almost a “doorbuster” product.

@JonasWilms 4 жыл бұрын

Also the design looks like it's a mass produced prototype, mini PCIe in a Speaker to support Wifi, are you kidding me?

@dirtfriend 4 жыл бұрын

@@JonasWilms but it's ~swedish~ and ~scandinavian~

@TheOzthewiz 4 жыл бұрын

@@dirtfriend BUT, built in China! Where else?

@shadiajjan1618 4 жыл бұрын

Without any doubt , your explaining is amazing and this is exactly what i want to watch thank you for the information you provided in this video.

@MDSilverstar 4 жыл бұрын

I like the sound of the big eneby alot more than that of the sonos/ikea collab! That bigger enclosure really gives the speaker much more to work with.

@skyak4493 4 жыл бұрын

Great job on the teardown -you do a fine job identifying all the hardware, it's origin, and the implications on performance and quality. You seem to be a little fuzzy on branding, pricing, and other BS -like you never worked at a company that makes these things. The short explanation for all your questions is that engineers DON'T run these companies. For every value proposition they create there is pile of business and marketing executives that justify their high salaries by raising price, changing names, cutting cost, and generally making customers pay as much as possible for as little as possible. Ikea is a major "channel" and brand -thus negotiate a lower price for essentially the same product. Sonos obviously could charge less for it's speaker, but will not because that would "dilute the brand". Still don't see the logic? Well, that's why you (and the 99%) don't make the big bucks executives do! Here is the only logic there is -a bunch of executives at Sonos will justify being paid more by doing this deal with Ikea. They "expanded the ecosystem" while not "diluting the brand" they "raised margins" and "increased tax efficiency". WTF does that mean? The production of the ikea speaker is invisible to Sonos's financial reporting. Only "licensing" payments will be paid by Ikea to the "intellectual property holder" of Sonos in an offshore tax haven. The brilliant management of Sonos has eliminated all payments to anyone that designed, built delivered or protected the world in which this good could be delivered and made it into a refined pure profit that they can use to justify payment to... THEMSELVES! But if Ikea is selling the same speaker for 50% less, won't the expensive Sonos speakers lose sales? YES! and that "share loss" will be used to justify cutting the pay or limiting the pay of engineers, and all the producers of Sonos speakers! Another win for brilliant management!

@daytonde 4 жыл бұрын

you nailed it. plus: i don't think,that ikea pqys "extra". they simply buy these things in 1000s what lowers the price per unit.

@TheOzthewiz 4 жыл бұрын

They are called the "bean counters", call ALL the shots!

@agevenisse3252 4 жыл бұрын

Using CapXon capacitors is probably a way to make sure it doesn't last more than 2-3 years...

@PackardKotch 4 жыл бұрын

Ageve Nisse damn, straight to the point

@davidperry4013 4 жыл бұрын

After a couple years when they do die, take it apart to check the capacitor values, order higher quality replacement capacitors with correct capacitance values and same or higher voltage rating from digikey, than bust out the soldering station and replace them.

@WinterCharmVT 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidperry4013 You know that 99.9999% of people will buy another. Planned obsolescence is disgusting.

@SocialSpit 4 жыл бұрын

Ageve Nisse floor sweepings... those types of capacitors are generally the first thing that blows in any expensive electronics circuit including computer motherboards. I’ve been able to replace some but without Radio Shack being down the street anymore it’s harder to find the parts. There is a Mouser out in El Cajon somewhere I think they have mail order too.

@timotheusbojarowski4673 4 жыл бұрын

still running here after 6 years of everyday use, so nah, keep your accusements to yourself.

@Rcschim 4 жыл бұрын

awesome ammount of detail in this video. nice to see it gets enough views to justify the work a bit. greets

@BatesonBen 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant tear down, and analysis, thanks mate!

@Turnbull50 4 жыл бұрын

Always great interesting video's, I really enjoyed the turntable video you did.

@QoraxAudio 4 жыл бұрын

The PCB comparison Symfonisk and Play1 is quite the revelation. They even use the same cheap caps.

@PeterMIcedVoltage 4 жыл бұрын

Great review, I appreciate the in-depth look.

@BrownKnight011 4 жыл бұрын

I've never seen a more detailed tear down of an electronic product until this video, subscribing 👍. By the way this video popped up on my recommended videos 😅, I guess because I'm subscribed to LGR.

@jakew3 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, very informative and awesome production quality! Thanks for sharing

@TechBuilder 4 жыл бұрын

Cool!

@cillianmurphy8652 3 жыл бұрын

🤖

@amibami 3 жыл бұрын

You are such a pro ,best review I've seen and the last weeks i looked for

@NhatLinhNguyen82 3 жыл бұрын

I forgot to thank you. Thanks to you now I have 5.1 with Sonos. I was putting off buying 2 back channel speakers but with this bargain, they were perfect.

@performa9523 4 жыл бұрын

$100 for a speaker that doesn't even have RCA jacks on it- what is the world coming to? Great video sir, thanks for taking a look inside!

@CommodoreFan64 4 жыл бұрын

Also no Bluetooth of any kind, and no 3.5mm aux jack.

@johnnyguitar5222 4 жыл бұрын

Relax grandpa...

@porkrinds9572 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent level of quick, informative detail to your tear-downs. I’ve always passed up your videos because most of them seem to be on silly consumer “toy” gadgets (which is still in opinion). However, I am quite pleased by your clean & informative approach to your videos & will be very open to viewing them in the future. Perhaps maybe even a subscribe...? Also, big up for the GGEC mention! Details like that go a long way for those whom need to know. Cheers

@cmbunton 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent research and teardown. Loved the video!

@stileshumphrey4195 4 жыл бұрын

Nice dissection of both speakers!

@adyandrey23andrey 3 жыл бұрын

I actually have two of these and tried putting them in an "ideal listening position" for stereo. The sound stage was quite impressive! Stereo separation and immersiveness were amazing for 100$ speakers that don't have audiophile aspirations. If you do have an apartment, do not hesitate to give tyem a try. You might end up amazed. I am trying to save for buying a Sonos Arc for that atmos. Coupled with the Symfonisks I believe I would get a pretty nice cinematic experience in my small 17^2 meters (180ft) living room. Give the Symfonisks a try, they are beefier than they look 😂

@tatjanavidenic2389 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree with what you say, and what you have in mind, mean by it... I also gave it a try. Firstly out of curiousity and practicality. As its purpose makes it a sensible choice to use it in a layout most common in appartments of 30-55m2. I added a second unit to try the pair of them and so on. I realy did not expect the result and I simply cannot being amazed enough!

@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy Жыл бұрын

1st of all this doesn't cost 100$ 2nd of all for two you will need almost 300 Euros. For that money I can buy a proper stereo sound system with speakers included that have much more functions and life in it then this garbage ... Even if this would cost 100$ for two is too much money for what it is.

@policeofficer1866 10 ай бұрын

@@minmogrovingstrongandhealthyactually in the US the speakers are 99 each

@Uninfluenceable 4 жыл бұрын

not having AUX input in the lamp shade speakers is such a missed opportunity. I would have loved to use them as "dumb" speakers on either side of the couch in my 7.1.2 Atmos setup

@sst85og 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent presentation and analysis in this one! Your videos have made me interested in the speaker actually.

@spewter 4 жыл бұрын

Incredible journalism! Thank you

@ParadoxlnABox 4 жыл бұрын

Do you know if the Sonos Play:1 and Sonos One use the same low quality CapXon capacity or if they use something a little higher grade?

@-----REDACTED----- 4 жыл бұрын

The capacitors are not just cost cutting but also likely part of the measures taken for planned obsolescence

@TheOzthewiz 4 жыл бұрын

Cost #1!

@westelaudio943 2 жыл бұрын

Physical obsolescence isn't even needed with this type of device, it's enough to have one of the next generations of "smart" phones to just not support the standards those operate on anymore. It's an opportunity for us DIYers to hack an analog input (with op-amp line lvl crossovers) into them though, or even turn them into passive speakers altogether, which run with any small amplifier or trusty receiver (from the 80s that still works perfectly of course :) ...) The drivers themselves look pretty good actually.

@peterroycroft 3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating video. Thank you for such thorough sleuthing!

@johnsmith12421 4 жыл бұрын

Great teardown and very informative. Sub & a thumb from me, looking forward to more of your presentations in the future :)

@hillie47 4 жыл бұрын

What's really disappointing is the fact that Sonos, the so-called "premium" connected speaker manufacturer, is also using crap caps.

@0ace0hitta0 4 жыл бұрын

Yes I thought that as well... But is 150$ really premium??

@hillie47 4 жыл бұрын

@@0ace0hitta0 compared to the cheap alternatives, yes.

@JurajMarkoSK 4 жыл бұрын

@@hillie47 Hi. Can you please tell me about some cheaper alternative? I'm looking for some cheap multi-room wifi audio system and I was not able to find anything cheaper then sonos one. Thanks a lot.

@hillie47 4 жыл бұрын

@@JurajMarkoSK for the connected stuff the Sonos play one is probably the cheapest option, but there are some budget not connected speakers you could use. Sonos is premium in the sense that prices go up rapidly from the play one. And to be honest $150 is a lot of money for a simple box with a cheap little amp and speaker. But that seems to be the starting price. Too high is you ask me.

@wishandwatch 4 жыл бұрын

the only premium in sonos is the price ;)

@volvoracinggermany 4 жыл бұрын

So it's not Ikea to blame cutting the costs down but Sonos, as they are also using CapXon caps in their "premium" products.

@nodd85 4 жыл бұрын

I saw that, the Sonos Play:1 is also using the CapXon capacitors.

@JoshWitte 4 жыл бұрын

They were equally involved in the creation process, with Ikea likely having the final say

@volvoracinggermany 4 жыл бұрын

@@JoshWitte , but Ikea weren't involved when Sonos layed out the Play1. They already used CapXon on their own products, that's what I say.

@JoshWitte 4 жыл бұрын

@@volvoracinggermany ah, gotcha. Well that's unfortunate 😕

@esk8spirit362 4 жыл бұрын

Nope, it's always Trump's fault...

@dtsdigitalden5023 4 жыл бұрын

Very nice detective work. How interesting to learn about the source of the components. Great work as always!

@broderperdurabo 4 жыл бұрын

You can google every part more or less.

@doktor6495 4 жыл бұрын

Very good tear down ... again! Thanks! I left a subs! Greetings, Doc64!

@CaveyMoth 4 жыл бұрын

Is that a LAMP SPEAKER?! Holy crap. I'm going to need some lamp subwoofers to go with it!

@funylee547 4 жыл бұрын

@@Trialnerror agreed

@elissitdesign 4 жыл бұрын

How about a bed subwoofer with 2 x 15s 🤣 The ladies live it (click)

@CaveyMoth 4 жыл бұрын

@@elissitdesign That sounds like the beds from Max Payne.

@umloginqualquer 4 жыл бұрын

I just imagined a lamp rattling and jumping frantically until it drops itself from the table onto the floor.

@NoafUckinway 4 жыл бұрын

I love lamp

@studioxxswe 4 жыл бұрын

"this doesn't sound like a whole lot of RAM" - Yea it sounds massive!

@alextirrellRI 4 жыл бұрын

So I go back and look and see that 256MB of ram was standard for our desktops around 2001, but then I realize that was almost 20 years ago. 😮

@0tispunkm3y3r 4 жыл бұрын

Alex Tirrell I remember my TinyPC had a 833mhz pentium 3 or something and 128mb of ram. This has a dual core cpu with the main processor running 1GHz and has double the ram! I know it’s not comparable to a slower x86 cpu, but the numbers make for funny comparison.

@Scodiddly 3 жыл бұрын

My first work computer had a whopping 12Mb of RAM. And that was after it was upgraded.

@yimeng1883 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Your video is professional and very detailed!

@TheWalkmanBlog 4 жыл бұрын

Always to see proper teardowns and analysis of what is inside. Would love to see some Sony teardowns in the future.

@ThisDoesNotCompute 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve got something like that in the works, but not quite so in-depth on the specific components.

@RN1441 4 жыл бұрын

2019, when 256MB of RAM is referred to as 'not a lot' in the context of a speaker... I'm glad that costs are so low that such decisions can be made, but this still sets me off as being incredibly wasteful.

@microcolonel 4 жыл бұрын

@Gonçalo Amaro that has been the case for a loooong time. Back in the day, peripherals were often as powerful as the host machines they were attached to.

@woobilicious. 4 жыл бұрын

The NXP requires DDR3 RAM, on mouser a single chip for 1Gbit (128MB) is like $7.65 (NZD), and a 2Gbit (256MB) chip is $8.05, there's also questions of what is compatible based on pins etc, with the NXP. Nothing smaller from Micron, and the smaller chips from ISSI are more expensive.

@rbrtck 4 жыл бұрын

PCs used to be able to run a multitasking OS with a GUI *and* business applications with 1 MB of RAM (or even less). Generally speaking, nowhere near that much RAM is required to implement all of the necessary functions for this speaker, although a lot of unnecessary things may be taking up most of the otherwise luxurious 256 MB of RAM it has. Even today, people are doing cool things with microcontrollers that only have 2 *KB* (that's KB!) of RAM on board (e.g. Atmel ATmega328P on the Arduino), though, so not everyone is being so wasteful.

@rbrtck 4 жыл бұрын

@@microcolonel True, albeit back in the day it was barely enough power to get the job done, whereas today it is way more power than is strictly necessary. They're just doing what's easy and still cost-effective due to technological advances. The two situations end up seeming similar at face value, but underneath they are quite different. While more is expected of peripherals these days (e.g. networking), processing power and memory have far outpaced this--the only thing that has kept pace is bloat. :)

@microcolonel 4 жыл бұрын

@@woobilicious. generally when you g o smaller, you get the DRAM embedded in the package.

@negritorican 4 жыл бұрын

At one point I thought this review was going to reveal my social security number. The amount of research done here is insane.

@TheOzthewiz 4 жыл бұрын

All for something that's going to find it's way to Goodwill's Electronics aisle in about 3years!

@BDESAI777 Жыл бұрын

One of the best explainer video. Amazing and descent

@addypearce 4 жыл бұрын

Really great video and very useful information. Thanks so much!

@Syntax.error. 4 жыл бұрын

The lamp version is a Sonos one with a lamp. I live next to IKEA and have checked them all out.

@abelincoln7473 4 жыл бұрын

You live next to an IKEA, man I feel bad for you bro...

@eldafint 4 жыл бұрын

@@abelincoln7473 Why?

@arraybytes 4 жыл бұрын

I would be curious if you found a compatible network card with bluetooth could you get bluetooth streaming on the IKEA speakers.

@MiCoopRS 4 жыл бұрын

you'd need the App to pair the bluetooth then? its not total magic and does not say...if it could talk, OH look! Bluetooth, let me hook it up for.... DAVE... that is if it was HAL in 2001.....

@GraysonCarr 3 жыл бұрын

But why? Wi-Fi is better... lower latency, higher bandwidth, further range. It’s kind of the whole point of Sonos speakers. There are a million Bluetooth speakers out there, and Sonos work better BECAUSE they use Wi-Fi. It’s like complaining that your Tesla doesn’t have a gas engine...

@akumarification 4 жыл бұрын

Hey superb tear down and analysis!

@chubbyballsack 4 жыл бұрын

good to see a proper tweeter and i like the curved bass port, very sensible. if i had one (no chance!) i'd stuff it with something like wool.

@jonstechchannel 4 жыл бұрын

A PowerPC CPU?!?! Sweet

@HuAwei-eq4cq 4 жыл бұрын

it can be your secret web server :-)

@compunerd 4 жыл бұрын

My guess is that they used the same board from the sonos play 1, since it was already being manufactured and didn't cost any startup costs on sonos' part, and the drivers on the smaller eneby matched perfectly with the sonos boards capabilities.

@JT-re5ec 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, thank you for making it. Very well done :)

@yptica 3 жыл бұрын

I work at Ikea and I can tell you that these speakers and those in the shape of a lamp are intended to output mono sound when there is only one, which makes sense but there is a function that allows you to connect two together and at this time the sound will go to stereo and not dual mono.

@wilfriedkaiser 4 жыл бұрын

If course the best advice would be to buy neither to not support throwaway electronics. Thanks for discovering that.

@imfuctifino 4 жыл бұрын

good luck finding any manufacturer that doesn't support TaE. everythings built to a pricepoint noawadaysw not to give end users longevity

@jml7429 4 жыл бұрын

Great tear down. Highly technical. Way over my head. I was waiting for a “don’t buy this because it’s crap” (I’m a simple man) recommendation but it never came. I get the feeling it’s crap (and SONOS as well?) but am left scratching my head 🤔.

@felixt1470 4 жыл бұрын

I was hoping same but you're right. This video is a bit too technical for the general public. Having said that, I have a Sono AMP and it is good. Not surround sound but very powerful.

@TheOzthewiz 4 жыл бұрын

Don't buy because it has CRAP-on caps!

@crackr1 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Colin!

@H4NDCRAFTED 4 жыл бұрын

Nice detective work !

@mrkrunch4340 4 жыл бұрын

This speaker has better cable management than my PC.

@Rainbow__cookie 4 жыл бұрын

It basicly has a pc inside lol

@UNSCPILOT 4 жыл бұрын

I like the Cyberpunk aesthetic, so of course that's why my PC is a mess of cables, tubes, and LEDs inside totally not because I'm lazy

@owenmarkey685 4 жыл бұрын

I am a bit troubled over this conception that mono is good. And loud Just easier to sell. As a retired audio technician. Sad to see this

@adamslawson 4 жыл бұрын

Most audio in this world is Mono. Live Concerts, bluetooth speakers, Auditoriums, Grocery Stores, DMX streaming audio, bluetooth speakers. You know this, being an audio technician. Most professional audio is mixed in mono and then has stereo effects to give it depth and other reasons to work best in multiple environments. It would be cool if you could link 2 of them and have a stereo image.

@owenmarkey685 4 жыл бұрын

Years ago I went to see friend in the US . And was blown away with the Bose system.. But wrestling with non discreet wiring.everywhere. Big spaces complete challenges. That's why I went to video peresentation.. Far easier but some complete geniuses in audio presentation. My Bose 101s have served me well for 30 years

@2adamast 4 жыл бұрын

For years we got crappy stereo rather than one good mono speaker and expensive stereo systems with speakers set less than two or one feet apart. Calling it mono is often more realistic.

@owenmarkey685 4 жыл бұрын

Adamast perhaps you maybe right. But I'll keep my Bose 101s. 30 years old and still going strong .i have tried to replace them

@jruberto37 4 жыл бұрын

@@adamslawson I'm not sure where you got this idea. Quite the opposite is true, multi-channel 3D surround is taking over. See Dolby Atmos for home. See L'Acoustics for live concert. You are right about announcements in auditoriums and PA in a Grocery store, but not the others. What is DMX streaming audio? (DMX is a lighting control protocol) Zero live concerts are presented in mono.

@Raku777 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting break down of the internals...do you think batting could be added to the Sonos to make it work better (would it cool okay or is cooling even an issue)?

@bethdavis1812 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting, nothing beats the sound of my old Grammy's Robert's radio.

@BizzleByron 3 жыл бұрын

I use a couple of these as rears for my Sonos soundbar as I think the Sonos 1’s are a bit overkill. They do the job admirably

@ColinHensley 4 жыл бұрын

Also looks like the Play: 1 has just been discontinued and replaced by a Play One without speech recognition. So a definite win to keep using the now retired product as an entry point to Sonos.

@maxnankervis8246 4 жыл бұрын

Sonos One. They are not Sonos Play One, the “Play” and “Connect” monicker’s are going/gone. Once they make a new Play:5, Playbar and Playbase nothing will be left with either Play or Connect.

@Turkentorque 4 жыл бұрын

I think its fun that IKEA have kept our swedish words for their products🙂

@tubical71 4 жыл бұрын

Great review, i usually don´t watch stuff like this, because usually they keep focussed on the consumer point of view.

@seculi7757 4 жыл бұрын

The worlds largest supplier of damping material saves money on damping material. :X

@BogdanWeiss 4 жыл бұрын

damping material in a vented enclosure does NOT improve the bass, in fact it makes the transient response worse, in a vented enclosure damping mops-up some of the internal back wave energy re-radiating & frequency modulating or acoustically feeding through the cone. In a sealed enclosure damping would increase the apparent volume ( thus improves the bass ) as well as dampen back-wave energy. A lot of engineering @ this price but DOUGH those cheap ass capacitors :-(

@seculi7757 4 жыл бұрын

@@BogdanWeiss I thought damping material was in there to get rid of standing waves caused by the acoustic room inside the speaker ? So to make sure you can`t hear the speaker itself as such.

@elementaldraco 4 жыл бұрын

Which will fail first? The capacitors or Sonos deciding to no longer support the product that has no AUX in or Bluetooth.

@westelaudio943 4 жыл бұрын

ErRor! ThIs pRoducT is No suppoRt lOnGEr! PlEase Go t0 shOp aND bUY neW t0 supPorT oUr EcOnoMy! -sincerely, Xi Jinpin

@mattheww2797 4 жыл бұрын

I have Sonos products that are close to 10 years old now and Sonos still supports them so no need to really worry about Sonos support

@maxnankervis8246 4 жыл бұрын

The only things sonos have stopped Supporting are their Controllers that were getting useless and dying anyway. All speakers and connects /ZP units are still supported

@noodlesstyx3564 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this video!

@craigenputtock 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks for making it.

@mattb9664 4 жыл бұрын

8:50 - An audiophile's nightmare!

@importuner12 4 жыл бұрын

The tpa can sound very nice when its done right, i have a lot of these chinese Boards laying around and some really sound great in combination with high quality (small) speakers.

@thgftiigghjfryyhgjiyreg8945 4 жыл бұрын

yeah this is bullshit. how is it possible to say 3" woofer.. and its mono. home audio is going back to the 30's... its a shame to see this glorius comments. no shame

@TheOzthewiz 4 жыл бұрын

More like a "HORROR SHOW"! lol

@klausstock8020 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I did not expect to see the word "audiophile" anywhere in this context...