This video was originally just a side project made for fun, but it ended up being one of the funnest videos I've ever made, so there's totally plans for more like this :p The Chris Terrio interview I kept referencing: www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/04/chris-terrio-justice-league-batman-v-superman

I just found it really hard to believe that the Joker would survive in a world where Batman brutally kills criminals instead of handing them over to the GCPD.

I don't think there was enough emphasis that Luthor basically brainwashed Batman for months, its just kind of a line at the end

“It was me Barry, I was the Warner Bros executive that pushed for “Batman v Superman” to be dark. I knew it would be hated by critics and audiences so much that it would delay your movie for years” - Reverse-Flash

One of the scenes of batman that I don't see too many people bring up with regards to his redemption is the scene where instead of simply fighting superman in the snyder cut when superman returns he tries to....reason with him...with words. The same way superman tried to reason with batman during their first fight but batman didn't listen and simply proceeded to fight him without hearing him out. I love that soo much and I wish more people talked about it.

Yo!!! Whenever you’re available and/or up for it, I’d love to hear your take on the Batman Audio Adventures from HBO Max. If you don’t have an account, the first two episodes are free on KZfaq. The story is really good and the climax in episode 10 is a very interesting take on the dynamic between the Joker and Batman and what it means to identify yourself and create your own narrative. I think it’s really good, but fair warning it’s like 98 percent audio and 2 percent visuals. Other than that, though, I think it really stands well as an interesting story. Jumps a bit from place to place, but still interesting lol

Can't say I much care for how they've handled Batman in the DCEU. But I can at least respect the defence made of it.

I feel they did a good job at portraying Batman as a villain, my problem is more with DCEU's Superman, at least in BVS they should have made a better job at making him the actual hero of the story we spend so much time with Batman and Luthor while Clark isn't doing much.

Ben Affleck's Batman needs a full redemption arch, like a movie where he'd get a lot more space, cause he potential is huge (coming from a guy who hated Ben Affleck a lot before DCEU) I would love to see him in a movie for the last time...

"Chalk all that up to stress.." dude that press tour was so bad. Snyder looked so exhausted. I remember in another interview he's leaning to the side while answering questions. Makes me sad because so many people dogpiled him, including me, while taking on this huge task of making this franchise work. I'm glad Snyder is looking better.

Already hyped! I have always enjoyed this interpretation.

Thank you for this! I really like Ben Affleck as Batman. I would have liked to see more of his version of Batman

I've been enjoying your video essays so much dude, they're all so well articulated and structured. Keep doing the good work you're doing!!!!!

You know what would make this even better tho... A prequel Batfleck Movie.

Snyder was actually technically right when he referenced "The Dark knight Returns". In that story Frank Miller wanted to showcase Batman's hypocrisy, the fact that he is a killer in denial. In that comic Batman does indeed kill but in very subtle ways because it's from his POV. For example, when he fought the Joker he didn't just paralyzed him by twisting his neck.. he completely snapped it and killed him. Their conversations after that was all in Batman's head, it's hinted with the color of the speech bubbles. People saw that and called him a killer but Batman was again in denial and replied with "I wish I was" with a very guilty looking face. He was just making up excuses like in the movie. And that's basically the inspiration for Batman's arc in BvS.

acting like Batman just killed for the sake of edgyness, that he didn’t have an arch shows some didn’t really pay attention to the film. It’s a blessing that you pointed this out.

Thank you for this. While agree that Snyder's DCEU films are flawed films.( As are most SH films.). And Snyder has a tendency to over do somethings in his films, especially violence. But I truly believe that Snyder was trying to do some thing different with his films. He presented us with deeply flawed heroes in a deeply flawed world, and showed us their journeys to bieng the heroes they need to be. And despite the flaws and Snyder's tendencies, that message does come out. And people are starting to see it more clearly after ZSJL. Now that people have seen Snyder's full plan, they are going back and appreciating Snyder's take. I'm seeing more and more video essays like this on MoS and BvS. And I truly believe that in the near future, 10 or 20 years maybe, Zack Snyder's trilogy as it exists now, will be looked back on much more fondly then the way it was seen at the time of release.

This video is perfect, love this version of Batman. His arch 🔥

“Disciple”, your utterance of the word, and your comparison of the closing shots of Bruce in BVS with the opening shot of him in the Snyder Cut crystallized the Pauline allegory with Bruce. Many thanks.

I thank you for your video on this topic. I've long believed that this Batman is truly one of the greatest interpretations of the dark knight as he's truly fallen.

I can at least see what Snyder was trying to do with Batman. This "old fallen hero who finds his way again". That being said, that's too big of a story for a film series that's never solely focused on Batman. Snyder is focusing on so many things at once that (unless the movie is ridiculously long) a lot of them are gonna seem underdeveloped.

I've been saying this since the movie BvS came out. You're not supposed to agree with Bruce because he's very obviously presented as the antagonist in the film. It blows my mind other people have so much trouble recognizing that. This is a sequel to Man of Steel, so Supes is the hero of the story. Edit: I love that I posted this partway through the video and almost immediately after I posted, he said the same thing 😅

Great analysis as always. The DCEU and especially Snyder's films are clunky, bold and messy. But there is a certain beauty to many of them that goes unrespresented in the discussions of film analysis culture and it's a shame, which is why I'm glad people are revisiting the work to present more honest and thorough perspectives on it. One little nitpick tho: It's actually implied twice in TDKR that Batman kills. One with a mutant gangmember and the other with Joker. Snyder while not being the most articulate or straightforward of people, is not an idiot. Terrio and Snyder were both on the same wavelength with what they wanted. If not, Snyder would have had someone write the screenplay like Goyer again or something. Either way, these interpretations of the characters are interesting and I hope WB and DC continue to let these characters explore, contradict and grow. It's fresh in the world of superhero cinema.

You make things that I have 0 interest in watching or watching again seem like the best narratives on the planet. I don't get how you do that.

This is soo good. Great analysis!

It feels good... Watching this video... Knowing that I am not alone...

i love your videos bro i always watch em and i can see how much effort you put into each video. I'll always watch your videos so please keep them coming :)

You have such an impressive grasp of DC and their characters. Great video!

love ur choices of music, subbed

I still watch ur videos. Please keep making more. I find them incredibly interesting and insightful. I look forward to future videos.

It's really nice to see what I consider a more major essay channel address this, instead of the usual "BATMAN DOESN'T KILL WAHHH" shit that we usually get. I hate to sound pretentious but I genuinely believe most viewers just don't understand this movie and arc, and you can tell by the arguments you hear against it. While I love Zack, he does muddy the waters at times with his direction and comments. But I think most people's frustrations with this movie are fixed by paying attention to the Ultimate Edition, general audiences seem to not read metaphors or symbolism very well or at least not on first viewing.

He literally shot someone in DKR as well as electrocuted another guy

Would love to see your take on once upon a time characters

When Zack Snyder said about Batman killing indirectly, I'm pretty certain he means that's how Batman justifies it to himself, not that it's correct.

The problem I have with him killing is that it doesn't exactly make sense. If Batman is gonna kill then Joker must not be alive. If Batman is willing to go down this road, then this needs to front and center, something that Alfred talks about from time and time again, trying to pull him into the light instead of complete darkness. I like themes what this movie was trying to accomplish, but the very issues lies in the fact that this is Batman first appearance in the Snyder universe, this is Superman second appearance in the Snyder universe. If we're gonna have these titans clash, these two individual learn and grown to the end of the movie, then we need some extra semblance of time with these characters. One movie can not dissect why Batman kills since part of the movie is dedicated to Superman and his arc of being an alien in a world who's paranoid by his powers. One movie can not dissect Superman's arc of being hopeful no matter when things seems hopeless. Because you also have Batman as the front and center while also having wonder woman, Lex, and doomsday. The very issue is that bvs does too much in one movie, and it's accomplishments to these arcs while fulfilled, feels hollowed in my eyes because we didn't get the time we needed for these characters. To truly understand there world, there mindset of what their purpose is as of that moment, and why they need to better for a better world. Because I really love Snyder version of the justice league, I felt everyone who worked on this version put more love and effort compare to the two previous movies before it. It to me felt like a comic book coming to life in front of my face that I only get occasionally with other super hero movies. I specifically wish we had more development for Batman and Superman so when they do clash, when Batman chooses to be better after Superman's death, it means alot and its powerful then hollow. But I can only dream.

This video was a masterpiece. Thank you. Gave me a lot of insight into me of my favorite characters in the latest incarnation and showed how much there is to appreciate. Just might have to make my own video. Much love man

Another great video man. Keep going

I will be honest I really enjoyed this batman arc because it's a broken man moving on from fear, from pain showing that he is doing what he does on faith and becoming the batman I know and was happy to see when the snyder cut came out a good leader, a man with plan after plan, a badass, a league and most importantly a good man and a great hero. He started off as a broken man who lost his ways but found it in someone who always had hope even when superman lost alot he never lost his light, he always had hope and was never going to bow down to the darkness is what I felt made batman enjoyed his friendship with Clark that he always had that light and hope and love sense of being happy with his family no matter what others say about him that you can blame him for alot of destruction and chaos and try to make him go bad but has the will to never lose the light.

absolutely amazing content keep it up and great use of music

Thank you good sir

Thanks man for understanding the character a lot of people would just see batman killing and don't even try to understand the context that is given

Very well put

This was a fantastic video

Never really saw it in this way. Thanks for opening my eyes!

Great video! I enjoyed this :)

at 6:50 I got chills and broke into tears man, you make beautiful essays.

Well Done This Video Says It All!

love the "o holy night" music background

you have no idea how much i have been waiting for YOU to do this video i hope the controversy isn't that much, cus now a days the name of Affleck batman is just enough to cause controversy

Can you make a playlist of the songs you use at the end of these videos? I feel like they always work perfectly to complement whatever you say.

Batman kills in the dark knight return, even if he says that the guns are for cowards. He kills joker and the man that take the girl in hostage

This whole arc they pulled off would have been way better received if Batman had gotten his own movie beforehand

Thank you

Batfleck is my Batman and this video means a lot to me. Thank you.

I never get tired of your videos, there always so interesting and insightful. And can someone please tell me the song and the end, I have been trying to find it but I can't find it and is driving me 🤣

finally someone said it. i felt like i was taking crazy pills

Quite the video, just have to say a few things, with the Bat branding, it is not as though he is dooming them to die, Lex has a hand in that with hiring thugs to take out certain people, Batman does it so they remember he is watching them, when it is more likely just a scare tactic to keep them behaved, not paying attention, even with Clark questioning Batman’s tactics Bruce said “Don’t believe everything you hear son.” And as for the killing casually, i would not say casually anymore than other live action batmen doing that which is more man slaughter than anything else. For the DKR, it is referencing the comic where it shows Batman shooting the mutant which looks like he died from the bullet, where as Batfleck shooting the tank Zack said that it would have gone too far for Batman to just kill him after everything that’s happened.

Awesome video 👍🏻

Any plans to cover the WB show “The Batman” from 2004-2008?? Thanks for the great videos and all the hard work!

Eventhough people hated the famous "Martha" scene, I kind of see that it somewhat fit. For me, it would have been a lot BETTER if just after the word martha Batman had the flashback when his parents were killed, first a zoom at the gun with the trigger being pulled up, THEN to the face of the villian who pulled the trigger, but this time we see the adult batman, himself (face clean, without the mask), Face of a really stressed but angry man, then a zoom out of him(batman) with the gun on his hand; then the flashback ends and then continue the scene and the rest of the movie. Maybe a little couple of changes here and there (LOL I don´t remember the exact details of the movie). But anyways, It wasn´t like that. Sadly, the movie matched with my low expectations... but I really enjoy it because I didn´t expect much LOL XD; suck for the people complaining how bad the movie is but I just laught at them XD.

Perfect.

Great video!;

Great video!

I love this

When batman said if he kills he can't come back, *he* *wasn't* *kidding*

I've never looked at Bats in BvS from this perspective. Nicely done

Lore of Understanding DCEU Batman momentum 100

Great Video, does anyone know what that song is at the end?

Dude, I watch everything you do -- as long as -- I've seen the underlying thing you are analyzing. lately I have been watching less, cause there's been Invincible and Batman cartoon. I'm not saying don't do that, but perhaps your other watchers have the same experience? Don't know, just asking. From my POV, I love your work, I learn a bunch from it, please keep going.

Unbelievably phenomenal and concise analysis of DCEU Batman, thank you for understanding the character!

I’m glad snyder can have love and people like him as he was a really good Batman but in my opinion they needed to show his breaking point before jumping into things

Dude - right on the money. The cut up version didn’t help anyone. But once you’ve the extended version, it is crystal clear. He has a huge arc. The movie never defends his killing. You can disagree, but THAT’S THE POINT. You can still have issues with it, but so many people criticize what the point of the story was. Batman has got some serious issues. When he lets Superman die - he realizes he has to do better.

I think we can all see the intended deeper meaning and thought process, I just think a lot of us can also see it didn't properly display that deeper meaning.

This makes me appreciate this Batman more

More DCEU content please

Your point about Snyder misrepresenting The Dark Knight Returns is actually false: Batman kills quite alot in the Comic. Yes, he demonizes guns in two scenes, but he also USES guns in multiple other scenes. He shoots the Mutant threatening a baby, uses hagrapling gun that looks suspiciosly like a rifle (that's on purpose), and shoots a gun after killing the Joker (yes, he killed Joker. Look up the theory about Jokers grey speech-bubbles. Only Batman's thought-bubbles are grey, he is imagining Joker to still be alive because he is in denial). He also uses his tank to shoot up and blow the shit out of the mutants... Do people really think no one died there? It's all about Batman being in complete denial about what he is actually doing. He is an old, hypocritical man in the comic. It also holds a mirror in the face of the readers, with many of them being perfectly fine to ignore the violence and believe the lie that Batman didn't kill anyone. It's quite brilliant actually.

Ah Rosie I love this boy.

Great video and lots of great points. I personally think part of the reason Batman's arc fell a bit short was because there was a fundamental misunderstand of him on WB part because as the Dark Knights Joker puts it best "you are truly uncurable force" therefore having this batman who kills and uses guns shows WB huge misunderstand of how Batman works and how he truly is.

This was such a weird gripe over the years seeing how few people he actually directly kills

Batman does kill multiple times in the dark knight returns

That last line. I’m sorry that you are caught up in your place in the algorithm. You are still amazing, and this has been your average. Stop looking at those few extra numbers here, and there. They exist, and you should be happy with your audience that you keep. Slowly building is where it begins. Just keep the faith

Exactly.

What is the song right at the beginning of the vid that plays when the channel name appears

lmaoo i like the sarcasm of clarks boss :- crime wave in gotham in other news water is wet lmaoooo

I watch your videos!

"This isn't batman, batman doesn't kill people" Clark, Alfred, Gotham citizens: yes we agree.

Apparently, in the dark knight rises comic, Batman killed a lot and was a hypocrite. Like people often show that one picture where he breaks a gun but not other pictures where he kills. Or at least possibly did. But that’s just what I heard.

Whats that great song at the end

Perfect explanation if the Martha scene. He was turning into Joe Chill

This was great. Except that Batman does kill in the Dark Knight Returns. He kills the Joker and in the comic inspiration for the scene where he saves Martha he kills the guy by shooting him. Synder actually toned that down by just having him light the gas on fire.

This was hilarious! 😂

I’ve said it once or twice before and I’ll say it again. BvS should have been a standalone Batman film. Batfleck was easily the highlight. I’d have rather Snyder made one instead of jumping straight into what should have been the 4th or 5th DCEU movie after Wonder Woman and an MoS sequel.

This is a great video, makes me want to see what #RestoreTheSnyderVerse had in store for Bruce and Clark

Great video. Nailed it! I have always loved the DCEU Batman and thought he worked as a character until the warehouse scene and I thought it was awkward how he went from that to the great continuation of his ark in Justice League but now after watching this video it does make more sense.

I think people complain about the BvS being too dark because they can feel that something is wrong with the movie and think tone might be the answer. I didn't find BvS all that darker from the Nolan trilogy. Quite simply, the plot is convoluted and contrived along with moments that are just nonsensical.

I love than this movie make us talk about it for years, it is a true modern classic

Meanwhile, at the warehouse...

Please do one on Hancock and alcoholism

Hey man, I'm still watching.

Ey man I really loved this video! I really felt batfleck's character was really REALLY misunderstood.