Improper Cleaning can ruin your AR15 Bolt Carrier Group

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School of the American Rifle

School of the American Rifle

Жыл бұрын

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@SchooloftheAmericanRifle
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Жыл бұрын
Many people seem to believe that certain tools can't wear or change the dimensions of the bolt because the tools people used may be softer than the bolt material or the coating. Fouling is abrasive. As fouling is removed, it will lap the bolt material when used between the bolt and a tool. Fouling can wear the tail when a bronze brush or piece of brass is used to "clean". Fouling can wear the inside of the carrier when a tool is used. Ever look at a crowning lap? They are brass. An abrasive with the crowning lap will remove barrel material. A cleaning rod with fouling can remove barrel material as it moves. A bore snake used the wrong way can remove crown material. The difference between efficient and non efficient of most bolt tails is .0006. Thank about how little that is before changing the dimensions by "cleaning".
@ShootingUtah
@ShootingUtah Жыл бұрын
This was about to be my question. Happy to see you answer it before I even had to ask! Still seems like it would take a crap ton of cleaning to actually change dimensions but I guess I'm just not as OCD as other people haha.
@trainthagreat1
@trainthagreat1 Жыл бұрын
By any chance, are u can AK Smith (or builder) also? Or a guru of American Made Rifles only?
@John5.56
@John5.56 8 ай бұрын
What do you mean by a bore snake used the wrong way? Like people dropping it through and pulling from muzzle to chamber?
@lordserpentine8246
@lordserpentine8246 8 ай бұрын
Whats the proper way to use a bore snake??
@renegadearms
@renegadearms 8 ай бұрын
I’ve had people argue with me about this same thing you’re talking about.
@JEJAK5396
@JEJAK5396 Жыл бұрын
I wish this video was mandatory for all Marine NCO’s and Officers.
@robot4924
@robot4924 Жыл бұрын
Ohh Smedley, I’m sure we can buy more. Think of the industry they might go out of business if we don’t keep buying parts, then in the next war there will be no industry to support the next war.
@JEJAK5396
@JEJAK5396 Жыл бұрын
@@robot4924 Smedley was well aware of the “Racket”
@czgunner
@czgunner Жыл бұрын
The idiocy has carried over from when they issued bolt action rifles.
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 Жыл бұрын
​@Robot everything isn't a grand conspiracy
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Жыл бұрын
​@@czgunnertrue, but it dates back even further to muzzle loaders. Corrosive propellants demanded thorough cleaning.
@ruebenllongoria836
@ruebenllongoria836 9 ай бұрын
“Being abusive to you bolt carrier is not the conduct of a gentleman” is my new favorite quote for the month
@1903tx
@1903tx Жыл бұрын
One of the things I couldn't stand about the army was that in garrison weapons had to be turned in 100% clean. As a result guys gouged the hell out of their weapons trying to get that last grain of dust.
@manictiger
@manictiger Жыл бұрын
This is why I don't buy milsurp that is any more complicated than a backpack.
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Жыл бұрын
Yeah, making guys do that is a form of disciplining, but it's pretty counterproductive because it teaches a lot of people that their rifle needs to be babied, that it can't be trusted if it's not, or incentivizes them to abuse the weapon in ways like this to get it over with faster.
@northwestgaming4049
@northwestgaming4049 Жыл бұрын
I never really scrapped mine clean but I guess that is why it always took me so long to clean it, but I was also a saw gunner most of my time in.
@warrenharrison9490
@warrenharrison9490 Жыл бұрын
​@@manictigerI picked up an M4 upper, not sure where it had been but it looked like tan moon dust. Yes the throat of the rifling was completely gone.
@MrGabrielJude
@MrGabrielJude Жыл бұрын
Drills made it a white glove competition
@calvinhenderson4200
@calvinhenderson4200 Жыл бұрын
Reminded me of a day in basic training after the rifle range many decades ago with M16. Drill Sergeant told us that when the armorer accepted our rifles individually we could go to the PX. Well, we scrubbed those rifle clean enough to eat off of. Of course the armorer was in on the ruse, so no rifles were being accepted. A couple of buddies and myself found a good place to sleep after being rejected. Some of the others scrubbed, submitted, rejected, scrubbed, and resubmitted for 4 hours. When we heard the armorer was accepting rifles at the end of the day we dutifully turned in our once cleaned rifles. All those poor rifles had the finishes scrubbed off them over the non-sense.
@ShaunPanzer
@ShaunPanzer 8 ай бұрын
Got that same memory !
@Craig52-zq1bt
@Craig52-zq1bt 6 ай бұрын
In the Service,, overseas, we broke the rifle in two, dropped the top ( minus hand guards) in half a 55 gallon barrel of solvent while we cleaned the lower, then did a bore scrub and rag clean on bolt & carrier. Never had a problem or inordinate wear.
@rarelibra
@rarelibra 6 ай бұрын
Our armorer in the Corps had a rifle on display in the arms room ... one of the Marines, it seems, had seen to it to spray Easy Off oven cleaner on his weapon and left it on most of the day... when he went to wipe it off, it took the coating completely off. It was literally shiny metal.
@calvinhenderson4200
@calvinhenderson4200 6 ай бұрын
Sounds like the soldier got a statement of charges for Christmas.
@keithbarron3654
@keithbarron3654 6 ай бұрын
The Marines I hung around with in 70's had several tours in Vietnam, they used carb cleaner and would ship cases to friends in far east, pop rear pin pull bolt and spray tube, barrel and bolt, they said just needed to clear fouling.
@UrbanTiger74
@UrbanTiger74 Жыл бұрын
*Drill instructors begin to froth and convulse with fury* 😂😂😂
@spencer7197
@spencer7197 Жыл бұрын
I served for 5 years, and I could go on about how the arms room wanted the pew pews spotless...But instead, I will tell a story from the end of my basic training cycle. For roughly two weeks we spent countless hours cleaning our weapons. Even after they were clean if a drill sgt walked in and we weren't cleaning them we were wrong. So, these weapons were beyond spotless about two days in...We didnt stop going at them for at least another 10 days. Found out after weapon turn in all of those weapons had to be deadlined. A little carbon isn't a bad thing guys
@carsonhunt4642
@carsonhunt4642 6 ай бұрын
I know ppl that only lube and never clean and are 5000+ rounds in with cheap dirty ammo without issue. They convinced me to quit cleaning with a cleaning agent, now just halfass wipe with lube oil and then oil simple as that
@TheJoshEoS
@TheJoshEoS 6 ай бұрын
I'm laughing too.. I have one I haven't done pretty much dick too since 2017 and it still functions. I know a guy who cleans his bcg every time he shoots. Like why??
@jdenha7078
@jdenha7078 6 ай бұрын
Just waste of taxpayer money due to bad instructions, by the way thank you for your service.
@kevindonahue2251
@kevindonahue2251 Ай бұрын
@@carsonhunt4642 I wouldn't recommend that unless you live in a really humid environment. Anywhere dry will have lots of silt getting into the chamber and rubbing everything down over that period of time. I'm pretty convinced that's what actually happened to the rifles he's discussing in this video, but I could be wrong.
@paulgroniger4494
@paulgroniger4494 Жыл бұрын
I learned those exact practices at a young age (guess where?) and with your help here and by following a rigorous 12 step program I am overcoming my addiction to over cleaning or incorrectly cleaning my weapons. Thank you again sir!
@fungifactory8925
@fungifactory8925 Жыл бұрын
I am the polar opposite because it's been at least a few hundred rounds since the last cleaning on all my guns. I'll give my carry gun a dry patch down the barrel every few weeks if I don't make it to the range to get the lint out, but that's about it. I wait until the action gets gritty to give em a good clean. Probably not the best practice.
@randomritchie
@randomritchie 6 ай бұрын
For only 25 cents a day you can prevent over cleaning a firearm 😂
@emersonchattin9512
@emersonchattin9512 Жыл бұрын
As a young private in the Army, you were smoked if you had any carbon on the rifle. We probably ruined more rifles by scrubbing and chucking chamber brushes in drills than god knows what. You could eat off our rifles in the Army lol.
@ricksters11
@ricksters11 Жыл бұрын
Must be unit specific, we had to have a clean rifle also but we had nylon brushes, pipe cleaners, Q-tips, and solvents.
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Жыл бұрын
That's because cleaning the rifles is used as a form of discipline and punishment in the army. I've heard people coming away from military service thinking the AR15 rifle MUST be whiteglove clean to not risk malfunctions, just because their drill was a real hardass on them, so I think this might give some people the wrong idea. Might be some carryover from the M249s, where the old tired things will tend to want to be detail cleaned before going out in the field, or they don't wanna run much.
@jopo6388
@jopo6388 Жыл бұрын
Military is a PsyOp. Stay out!
@509Gman
@509Gman Жыл бұрын
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine spot on, all the malfunctions we had during BRM were typed as “clean your shit pri!” A decade later as I get into civilian ARs, I realize they were really all from clapped out magazines no one is brave enough to 86.
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Жыл бұрын
@@509Gman Mags are another thing, of course. Surefires are good aluminum ones, but they don't last forever. Really, a good armorer should take sketchy mags and just dent the hell out of them when nobody's looking, then claim that he has no idea when or how that happened, so people don't go out with bad ones.
@Bravo27Alpha
@Bravo27Alpha Жыл бұрын
Man I love that cutaway bcg
@chipsterb4946
@chipsterb4946 Жыл бұрын
So do I! Finally understood the action of an AR-15 because of that little bewdy.
@seanoneil277
@seanoneil277 Жыл бұрын
@@chipsterb4946 It's a lot like a simple lawn mower engine, really. Imagine the bolt as the piston. The gas block & gas key are like your carburetor & intake plumbing as well as exhaust, may get a bit confusing there. But it's really a piston w/ rings, with a dislocated combustion chamber, and unified intake/exhaust cyclic return. The cutaway is awesome for letting folks see the piston-like operation. And for seeing it all work together.
@RangeBrahskie
@RangeBrahskie Жыл бұрын
I was in the Marines and we always cleaned them "white glove inspection ready" always after a range day. Then I went on to shoot competition and using my same rifle, didn't clean it but lubed the hell out of it. This was in 29 palms so its a desert environment, my rifle was gunky af but I never had any malfunctions for almost a whole month straight of shooting and if I did it was some magazines from old green followers on GI mags. I always hated cleaning my personal guns so thank you very much for this!
@czgunner
@czgunner Жыл бұрын
Man, the Army had us absolutely thrash our M16's.
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Жыл бұрын
Using 5.56 pressure ammo might push past the inefficiency that rough maintenance creates.
@m118lr
@m118lr Жыл бұрын
@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle ..hmm. Hadn’t looked at it like that. HIGHER pressure ammo could mitigate some ‘less-than-the-best’ worn BCG’s or loose tolerances. Makes perfect sense..
@andrewdanvers308
@andrewdanvers308 Жыл бұрын
An old guy taught me that sometime in a pinch, you can use wood like an ice cream stick and other appropriately shaped little pieces of wood without harm after soaking parts. Also taught me I could use hot soapy water for cleaning as well which I've done countless times with zero rust issues. Just got to make sure you rinse clean with hot water and make sure the metal is hot when you shake it off so any residual moisture evaporates quickly and completely and then just oil her up.
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Жыл бұрын
Wood Chopsticks are great for scraping, if scraping must be done.
@chrisgabbert658
@chrisgabbert658 Жыл бұрын
@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle corn dog stick
@kathyarmstrong649
@kathyarmstrong649 Жыл бұрын
A bamboo skewer works for me and can whittle the end into whatever shape you like.
@alfalegionnaire3451
@alfalegionnaire3451 Жыл бұрын
Snap a wooden cotton swab in half, use the pointy aftermath for hard to reach shit
@manictiger
@manictiger Жыл бұрын
Rubbing alcohol is better. It's used to clean electronics, too.
@atomiklam
@atomiklam 9 ай бұрын
Found your channel about a year ago and I've been impressed with every video I've ever seen you put up. There's nobody else out there sharing this much detail and help with the community. Incredible work, thank you!
@KyleKalevra
@KyleKalevra Жыл бұрын
I received the SOTAR patch and sticker I ordered today. The texture of the gears and skull is awesome. By far the best patch I own. Super cool. Thank you!
@EarthAltar
@EarthAltar Жыл бұрын
Thanks Chad! I do have one of those multi-scraper-doohickies, but I've never used it. Usually some Clenzoil on a patch or two gets everything off. I do like to hit the lugs with a brass brush though, and my Dewey cleaning kit comes with a chamber brush and mop that works really well. Used gently of course. That cut in half BCG demo makes it perfectly clear why you don't want to go grinding on the bolt tail or inside diameter of the BCG.
@terryboone3333
@terryboone3333 Жыл бұрын
I always wondered if the scrapers were safe to use. I've watched other channels where they used the bone scraper and really screwed it in the bolt. Wasn't sure that that was the best way to clean a bolt carrier. And the guy doing it was from a big well known company. The way that i look at it is if i think that it may scratch the surface of what I'm cleaning , i won't use it. Some good cleaning chemicals will do the job. Thanks for the information. I don't want to go scraping on my $300 bolt carrier.
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Жыл бұрын
There are some Armorer's & Instructors that I respect deeply, who say maintenance should involve scraping tools. Their advice comes from the right place, but I don't think they know what the tools are capable of doing.
@m118lr
@m118lr Жыл бұрын
I think the ‘manual of arms’ FOR cleaning with say..the ‘cleaning kit’, yeah..the mil spec one with the STEEL cleaning rod (!) has more to do with FIELD cleaning..not in barracks or garrison. And certainly not on a HIGH-end BCG or bore. Soldiers generally were/are cleaning WHEN they had time and not under fire. Thinking Iraq and Afghanistan..
@manictiger
@manictiger Жыл бұрын
Glad I forgot to buy one, lol.
@darioinfini
@darioinfini Жыл бұрын
@@manictiger Same. My forgotten purchase was probably somewhat intentional as I've seen other videos from this gentleman cautioning on the treatment of these strong yet delicate areas. To me he comes across as the Jeff Cavaliere/Athlean-X of the gun community. There are sooo many experts and authorities in this genre and I appreciate them all, but none carry the authoritative weight of this one well spoken knowledgeable and experienced source. I really appreciate you sir! @InstructorChad
@dancarter7009
@dancarter7009 Жыл бұрын
Sooo many people just don’t understand this. Thank you for this information & “as always” look forward to your videos! Very thankful you’re back & look forward to learning more,Thank you sir!
@TheLesporter
@TheLesporter Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, you hit home runs with all your videos. One of the best videos is a 1960 or 61 Army m-16 cleaning video, it just explains what parts need oiling and what parts do not. keep up your awesome educational channel. Thanks Les.
@woodystube1000
@woodystube1000 Жыл бұрын
I agree with these comments. We all learned the “right” way to clean our weapon at a young g and impressionable age, and carry that with us for years and years. I have found myself cleaning my personal rifle well enough for rack ready inspection even after just 40 rounds for quals. It’s an extremely difficult mentality to get past, but with proper counseling and videos like yours we can get past this. Thank you for the great info!
@trevorj.8401
@trevorj.8401 Жыл бұрын
Man I can't express this enough but the knowledge that you give to us is invaluable! Thanks again for another good one!!!!
@MRTEE-sy7sb
@MRTEE-sy7sb Жыл бұрын
Spot on, once you remove metal, it cannot be put back on! Always use the least aggressive measures first. Excellent suggestions with CLR and Berrymans carb cleaner.
@MRTEE-sy7sb
@MRTEE-sy7sb Жыл бұрын
@Peter labor to build up and then mill/lathe off to tolerance would cost more than a new BCG
@MRTEE-sy7sb
@MRTEE-sy7sb Жыл бұрын
@Peter Specifically, what is your point?
@MRTEE-sy7sb
@MRTEE-sy7sb Жыл бұрын
@Peter If you’re “glad” someone missed your point, it demonstrates you never had anything beneficial to add the conversation to begin with.
@0num4
@0num4 6 ай бұрын
@@MRTEE-sy7sb 100% correct. You'd only pay that price once :D But I'd probably watch a KZfaq video of it being done by a professional machinist/gunsmith repairman.
@kevindonahue2251
@kevindonahue2251 Ай бұрын
Brass isn't mechanically capable of abrading steel. This is just a video of some old wives tales brought to you by a guy who doesn't understand material science.
@ChrisSmith_NW
@ChrisSmith_NW 11 ай бұрын
Very helpful, I got a new BCG recently and have wondered about this. It wasn’t u till I started watching your videos that I understood & appreciated just how important BCG’s role in the gas system is to proper function. Thank you for all the info!
@christrevino531
@christrevino531 Жыл бұрын
Great things to know! I recently got into the “hobby” and starred shooting my AR so of course after a couple trips to the range, did my cleaning so far. Great things to learn here as I was already starting with the abrasive cleaning I’ve seen in videos. Thank you!
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are always a wealth of information. Thank you for making them!
@bdove7939
@bdove7939 Жыл бұрын
I have had very good results by using MPRO 7 to lube after I clean. I notice you said a "wet lube" early in the video. Usually if it "looks" wet it is probably pretty good. The MPro makes cleaning easier for me. Slip 2000 is also good. The crud wipes off with a blue shop towel. My only issues with them are the containers they come in. I transfer the product to a bottle with a needle oiler. Partially for precision but mostly to save some money. Both products are expensive. I am sort of frugal (read cheap). Have a good day. Thanks for the great videos. So informative.
@502outlaw2
@502outlaw2 6 ай бұрын
Thanks. Always great info from you. Thankful that you're out there!
@Native_love
@Native_love 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! My son and I have learned so much from your videos! We've built two AR's and have diagnosed and repaired a new one that we bought that wasn't working properly. Much love from Arizona! ❤🇺🇲❤🇺🇲
@Simon_Hawkshaw
@Simon_Hawkshaw Жыл бұрын
Very helpful for a 'new' AR user. Thank you for sharing.
@vinceburris2538
@vinceburris2538 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Chad for the educational videos. Good stuff to know. Save a guy some pain down the road.
@xciteful
@xciteful Жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Thank you for the tireless energy involved in sharing information with the rest of us. Your information is invaluable and helps potentially millions of people. Be proud of that.
@wilsonj4705
@wilsonj4705 Жыл бұрын
Came across a doc on Armalite's website over 12 years ago explaining this. Took it to heart.
@martinhorst1858
@martinhorst1858 Жыл бұрын
Great content as always 👏 Glad to see you posting again, Thanks
@l.a.2646
@l.a.2646 6 ай бұрын
My old firearms instructor was a combat vet, Vietnam he was a Marine Corps colonel , super strict, but I learned a lot from him. In my training we used pistols,rifles,shotguns. Our weapons would be filthy after an intensive round of training. (1980s) he had us spray everything with gum-out carb. & choke cleaner and swab cotton nibs, and a nylon brush just like you show. Then we were to oil it up with CLR ( I used Ballistol-still do) but we were to wipe of excess. I never had one malfunction, even with over 1,000 rounds ( each class, with pistol,rifle required 1,000 rnds.) I rarely use the gum-out these days. Thank you for this excellent information. The only thing I'd like to add is on the bolt pin ( t shaped not the cotter pin) I add just a little bit of gun grease to those pins it helps keep them from getting gaulded. Thanks for the great information.
@danlindgren4290
@danlindgren4290 5 ай бұрын
I hope you meant CLP. CLR would have been a terrible oil.
@l.a.2646
@l.a.2646 5 ай бұрын
yes I meant to say CLP LOL ! I'm just getting old @@danlindgren4290
@magdump4456
@magdump4456 10 ай бұрын
I stopped using the otis bone tool years ago thanks to you! You actually answered my post and told me that you preferred chemically removed carbon over picks or tools and I have been following that ever since. Thanks again!
@samseven5260
@samseven5260 3 ай бұрын
Eight years in the infantry, including 2nd ITB. Issued many scraping tools without this information. Thanks!
@noahmercy-mann4323
@noahmercy-mann4323 Жыл бұрын
There are a number of products on the market designed to emulsify carbon in two-strokes and small engines. A couple are made by outboard engine manufacturers (I use Engine Tuner, which is from BRP) and work well to soften even heavy buildups of carbon.
@mattm7920
@mattm7920 Жыл бұрын
My cleaning setup includes a bamboo skewer, as well as a nylon brush, q-tip, and a rag. The bamboo skewer usually does good work on built up carbon and won’t scratch the metal. Also, having a chrome DD bolt carrier group helps (wish they still made them, I’d buy more). Just wipe with a CLP soaked rag and you’re done. 😁 Sadly I only have one, so the others get the bamboo/nylon brush treatment.
@snake57
@snake57 Жыл бұрын
What! You’re supposed to clean an AR15? As an experiment, I went over 6000 rounds without cleaning, just putting some motor oil on the bolt. Zero malfunctions until I wore the barrel out.
@mikec7478
@mikec7478 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this. Haven't put enough rounds through mine yet to worry about fouling, but I did buy into the "gotta keep that BCG surgically clean" line. Nice to get an education *before* damaging something. Refreshing...
@knewsome69
@knewsome69 Жыл бұрын
I was taught this way and only recently learned how the scraping tool (like the one on your worktable) was lathing away the inside of the bcg. That having been said, would you do a video on gas rings (replacement, tolerances, etc) for those of us that damaged them with that pesky wire brush?
@MrTinozx10r
@MrTinozx10r Жыл бұрын
I've waiting for you to do a video on this for a long time. Thank you.
@SDOB5150
@SDOB5150 6 ай бұрын
I have been an AR15 Shooter for over 10 years, and wish I would have found this School Of The American Rifle back then. I have been doing some of the things mentioned in this video as far as cleaning fouling off my bolt tail and generally it I has been with a bronze brush. I will no longer use that for cleaning, and stick with the nylon Brush and Lube. I do lube the bolt tail and gas rings well, but will stop cleaning the bolt tail with a bronze brush. Love this channel and keep posting your great educational content. Thanks a bunch!!!
@randyo308
@randyo308 7 ай бұрын
Have been binge watching your videos. Thank you so much for the information you share. Really appreciate the knowledge and expertise and those awesome tools/gauges. Very clear, accurate info. I’ve learned a lot thanks.
@ncrshane1919
@ncrshane1919 Жыл бұрын
I pretty much exclusively use Q-tips, shop towels, and a toothbrush to clean my BCG and FCG. On the rare chance I have had to scrape something I use a wooden dowel. Really the most cleaning I do is usually just a boresnake and some CLP.
@jackfrench1651
@jackfrench1651 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I'm sometimes OCD about cleaning my guns and I hated trying to scrape this area on my bolt tail, I'd go at it with a brass brush like crazy trying to get it all off. Never knew that the fouling is important for the continued operation of the gun. Very very helpful video to me and I really appreciate it
@adamc2928
@adamc2928 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos!! Very helpful and informative! Keep them coming! 😁👍
@47enterprises
@47enterprises Жыл бұрын
So much great knowledge, thank you for sharing yet again 👍
@bobbertbobberson6725
@bobbertbobberson6725 Жыл бұрын
A couple questions. 1. Would carbon build-up on the bolt tail not improve the seal between the tail and the carrier? 2. Is it bad to drop lube down into the gas key, instead of removing the bolt and lubing it directly? It would seem to me that the residual lubricant would absorb carbon, burn off, and make the interior of the gas key cake up at a faster rate than a dry one
@caleblyons9698
@caleblyons9698 Жыл бұрын
"If the conduct of your officers is regarded as the conduct of a gentleman, I'll take that as a compliment"
@cbbees1468
@cbbees1468 Жыл бұрын
Your knowledge is always much appreciated.
@nurse-dude
@nurse-dude Жыл бұрын
I always put a patch between the tool and the bolt tail when using my various cleaning tools, q-tip dowels work well along with other wooden implemnts to get off some of that stuborn carbon.
@edwilliams9914
@edwilliams9914 Жыл бұрын
As an old machinist but a new AR shooter, this was excellent! And terrific visual aids to show what's going on in there. Thanks for stopping a bad habit before it starts. BTW, what are the diameters ***and tolerances*** you think we should stay within for those critical surfaces? I've got the tools to measure them (although I don't have your cool Go/NO-GO gauges I might invest in some), so of course I'm curious what they should measure. Again thanks -- and looking forward to the next vid!
@Dyna78
@Dyna78 5 ай бұрын
As far as I can tell, it looks like the "no-go" says .248, and the "go" is .2486. The pinned comment at the top of the comments also states there is only .0006 difference. If I remember, I'll try to check a bolt blueprint to confirm.
@jeffr5552
@jeffr5552 5 ай бұрын
I can't speak to specific tolerances, but one of the first things to wear out is those three little gas rings on the bolt. A quick way to determine if they're still good is to take a freshly clean/lubed bolt carrier assembly with the bolt in the retracted position. A quick snap of the wrist should cause the bolt to extend out fully from the bolt carrier. And then if you stand up the bolt carrier assembly on the bolt, and it stays extended, the gas rings are still good. If the bolt carrier depresses down onto the bolt from its own weight, the gas rings are probably shot and need replacement.
@michaelmcmillan2776
@michaelmcmillan2776 5 ай бұрын
I learned the hard way. Purchasing gauges and being real with what I was seeing definitely turn me around great video
@pyatt89
@pyatt89 Ай бұрын
The amount of info you have is amazing
@TheSuburban15
@TheSuburban15 Жыл бұрын
CLR is somewhat controversial. It does remove baked on carbon fouling, but it is very aggressive, and needs to be removed with alcohol, brake cleaner or lacquer thinner when you're finished with it. Probably best to not use it on any blued guns.
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6963
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6963 Жыл бұрын
I pretty much stopped using abrasives. The only thing I use that's abrasive is the little bit of bristles built into a bore snake and that's very rare. I remember it mentioned in a video of yours from way back and made so much sense that it really stuck with me
@LKaramazov
@LKaramazov Жыл бұрын
He said bore snakes are bad?
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6963
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6963 Жыл бұрын
@@LKaramazov not that I'm aware of
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6963
@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6963 Жыл бұрын
@NeglectfulSausage yeah I agree, I never feel the need to scrub with abrasives like that. I'm glad those ways are dying off
@LKaramazov
@LKaramazov Жыл бұрын
@@neglectfulsausage7689 interesting.
@AkiataSkirata
@AkiataSkirata 8 ай бұрын
I'm learning so much from your videos! Thank you!
@carrollmartin1535
@carrollmartin1535 5 ай бұрын
Thank you. I just had this discussion with a friend of mine who was suggesting these scraping tools. Just his assertion about scraping these components that have such close tolerances sounded wrong to me. I’m gonna show him your video. Thanks again!
@G5Hohn
@G5Hohn Жыл бұрын
Also-- Bronze brushes generally can't hurt steel in the HRC 36-40 range when used by hand, they are softer than steel by quite a bit. That said, even water can wear down rock, so any abrasive (regardless how soft) with enough cycles will wear parts.
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Жыл бұрын
The fouling itself is abrasive and paired with brass or bronze does wear down steel.
@sauerkrautjr
@sauerkrautjr Жыл бұрын
​@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle this is why I follow this channel. Learn something from the videos and comments every time. Thank you!
@marktechsci
@marktechsci 9 ай бұрын
It doesn’t matter the hardness of two materials, if you rub them together (even without any compound) they will wear on one another. I can show you where my dog left footprints in a wooden windowsill 😂
@dickjohnson7845
@dickjohnson7845 5 ай бұрын
@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Only if you are scrubbing the bajesus out of it!! Meaning if you sit there for 15 min brushing the same damn spot. If brass/ bronze bushes were a real problem, we would never use them for cleaning the barrels
@ppainterco
@ppainterco Жыл бұрын
Maybe I’m lazy, but after a trip to the range I just disassemble the BCG, wipe the BCG and internals with a clean cloth, add a layer of oil and reassemble. It’s not a hardcore cleaning, but enough to remove most of the fine abrasive dirt and to freshen the lube with synthetic motor oil. (I’m sure someone will lambaste me for using motor oil, but it’s what Dad used and I still have and use his 90-year old guns). Once in a while, I will run the disassembled BCG and parts through an ultrasonic cleaner with RCBS Weapons Cleaner and distilled water, hit parts with a toothbrush or, at worst case, a brass brush. Relube, reassemble. I keep a can of Ballistol in my range bag and if anything looks dry, I’ll give it a quick spray. Other than that, it’s clean enough.
@0num4
@0num4 6 ай бұрын
If it works...it works. I'd question whether motor oil might be less effective though, at a molecular level. Gasoline burns around 2000ºF, while gun powder can be double that. Even if the direct impingement bleeds off some of that excess heat before it hits your gas key & bolt carrier, it might be enough to burn off the motor oil sooner than a tried-and-true gun lube would. I personally use CLP in one form or another for ARs, and Shooters Choice for guns which prefer grease. Neither has ever caused me issues.
@kuzz7919
@kuzz7919 Жыл бұрын
Great advice and pointing out the facts will help me counter my OCD.
@ChristianGrest
@ChristianGrest Жыл бұрын
Always bringing that knowledge. Thanks as always!
@G5Hohn
@G5Hohn Жыл бұрын
I'll let you guys in on a bit of a not-so-well-known secret: soot/soft carbon is an effective dry film lubricant at high temperatures. When you "clean" the bolt tail, you are not only likely to wear a critical sealing surface, but you are increasing the overall wear rate of the gun while in service. Instead, just put a few drops if you favorite CLP down the gas key, hold the carrier boltface up and cycle the bolt within the carrier fore and aft. When you fire the gun, any excess lube will blow out the carrier ports. I recommend using only lubes that comply with MIL-PRF-63460F TY: A
@SergeantExtreme
@SergeantExtreme Жыл бұрын
CLP? You might as well be cleaning your gun with WD-40. Solvents are solvents, and lubricants are lubricants; and if you think the twain can meet, then have I got some snake oil to sell you. Just about every brand out there (Remington, Hoppes, Breakthrough Clean, Birchwood Casey, etc.) sells dedicated solvents and lubricants that are mutually exclusive. Use those instead.
@G5Hohn
@G5Hohn Жыл бұрын
@@SergeantExtreme Read the military standard I cited above. It's a single use CLP that has to pass tests on M249s. Solvent and lube are NOT mutually exclusive. They can be mixed in such a way that the solvent flashes off and leaves the lube behind. Which is precisely what most CLPs do.
@nickbalashov1780
@nickbalashov1780 Жыл бұрын
@@G5Hohn , yeah!☝
@PBVader
@PBVader 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, NO. I'll do me, you do you. Ed's Red does the same at 1/10th the mil contract price.
@toiletpaper5770
@toiletpaper5770 6 ай бұрын
So how do you heat the gun up before shooting it?
@seanoneil277
@seanoneil277 Жыл бұрын
So good to see Critical Chad (and I mean that as a compliment, "Critical") back on camera. Thank you Chad! I wonder if the obsessive carbon-chasers think they should take apart their car's engine, and make the combustion chamber, piston crown, valve heads, and intake & exhaust ports "hospital clean." How do they think their car engine runs without obsessive carbon removal?
@bobinch4835
@bobinch4835 5 ай бұрын
Great information. Nobody had ever mentioned this to me. Thank you for sharing this.
@Juan0481
@Juan0481 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir, great video with exactly the right amount of detail and specificity.
@hedgeearthridge6807
@hedgeearthridge6807 Жыл бұрын
For context, the tolerance for the width of the bolt tail according to an old military blueprint I found, is 0.0002 inches. That's about the width of a human red blood cell. It doesn't take much polishing or scraping to take that dimension out of spec, so absolutely be careful!
@StuninRub
@StuninRub Жыл бұрын
That's a load of shit.
@InvidiousIgnoramus
@InvidiousIgnoramus 11 ай бұрын
I don't believe that claim for even a second. What a load of horseshit. That's way bigger than a human blood cell.
@trumptookthevaccine1679
@trumptookthevaccine1679 8 ай бұрын
I think that tolerance is wrong.
@n5yiz
@n5yiz 6 ай бұрын
100% for sure you're wrong.
@Holla28
@Holla28 Жыл бұрын
I have a friend who used Break Cleaner on his bolt and it literally left a pool of carbon on the floor and the BCG looked brand new. Not sure if break cleaner is good for a BCG
@fillgriff
@fillgriff Жыл бұрын
I just found your channel...mind blown. I'm about to binge watch all of your content, thanks
@frankensteincreations4740
@frankensteincreations4740 Жыл бұрын
Just seen your video for the first time today. Love the name of your channel. Got my sub! 👍
@alexnoneofyourbuissness677
@alexnoneofyourbuissness677 Жыл бұрын
What about non chlorinated brake parts cleaner?
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle
@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Жыл бұрын
Non chlorinated is gtg.
@thisisit3737
@thisisit3737 Жыл бұрын
First.
@scottnj2503
@scottnj2503 Жыл бұрын
Recent subscriber, Gald I found your channel, wish I'd found this channel earlier. P.S. your BCG Physicals prompted me to buy some gauge pins and get my hands on dimensional drawings. My BCG choices have been Aero Prescion and Daniel Defense. Thanks for your posts.
@joshnolastname407
@joshnolastname407 6 ай бұрын
That cut away was super helpful 👌
@dannyhayes664
@dannyhayes664 Жыл бұрын
Nice to see you Back !!
@boywhohasl1vedhascometodie469
@boywhohasl1vedhascometodie469 Жыл бұрын
Very valuable video!! I typically get all the extra shit out of my BCG every time we go to the range (my family doesn’t shoot often, but we shoot a ton of rounds every time we go). I used to use this metal brushes, however with oiled cleaning patches on the end of them. All I ever use now is a pencil eraser for the deposits that have built up, and a pencil for getting down in the crooks that my fingers can’t reach. Thanks for beneficial wisdom!
@tomweickmann6414
@tomweickmann6414 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! You have me as a new subscriber for this!
@masterxiong7368
@masterxiong7368 Жыл бұрын
Great video with great info. I personally have not done a thorough cleaning of my bcg. I've only wipe clean and lube. Been shooting the same ar for years now no issue.
@davekreitzer4358
@davekreitzer4358 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great tips Chad , great video , as always , thanks !!! 👌😎
@bizzlebeedizzle3910
@bizzlebeedizzle3910 Жыл бұрын
I used to use the bone tool and thought my colts, bcm needed to squeaky clean. Until I started training and running well over a thousand rounds in couple days. Nowadays I just lube and after 2500 rounds I’ll break it down but definitely not scraping and getting it squeaky clean like I once did. Thanks bud I feel a lot of folks needed to hear this.
@nootnewt
@nootnewt 11 ай бұрын
I was taught to just use some solvent and patches on the bolt and BCG. Really appreciate the content, as someone still fairly new to firearms and the AR platform
@loriblackwell8552
@loriblackwell8552 6 ай бұрын
I would love to buy a cut away bolt from you for teaching! It is brilliant!
@firefuzz1
@firefuzz1 6 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Love the visual aids. In gun cleaning B12 Chemtool and an air compressor with a moisture filter are your friends.
@ROSS4712
@ROSS4712 8 ай бұрын
This is a phenomenal video and everyone with AR's and any other weapons who do their own cleaning should watch. I teach this exact same thing in my AR Diagnostics and Maintenance Course. I was taught this 30+ years ago becoming a Colt Advanced Armorer. Use a nylon brush, what goes goes, what stays stays. Been doing that forever on AR's with ultra high round counts. Never have had to replace a carrier or bolt, none have unnecessary wear other than parts that will wear due to use like rings, springs, etc. Never had failures, malfunctions, etc due to it not being white glove inspection cleaned either (Lol United States Marine Corps). I have a friend who regardless how much I tell him, cleans his BCG Assembly using a bench grinder with a wire wheel lol. Man his bolt is beer can shiny around the tail and rings. Sometimes, you have to let a self correcting problem self correct. I use brake cleaner and Ed's Red to break them down if it is heavy carbon. No scrapers, no knives, seen guys scrape using a box cutter, etc and definitely no Dremel or wire wheels. Common sense, common chemicals and elbow grease. I make my own lube and the Ed's Red, all I really pay for continuously is the carb/brake cleaner. Walmart Super Tech is cheap and effective.
@willisforillis181
@willisforillis181 6 ай бұрын
Ty good to know I recently purchased one of these tools I’ll be more cautious when doing my normal maintenance
@MatterMadeMoot
@MatterMadeMoot 5 ай бұрын
Never thought about this. Thanks for the info
@steveninaz9576
@steveninaz9576 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Sir. I have those scraping tools. Never used them. Didn't know they could damage. I just have always preferred chemical cleaning. Keep up the vids Sir, love them.
@SouthValleyKnifeCo
@SouthValleyKnifeCo Жыл бұрын
This should be a mandatory for all young joes.
@jameswade1344
@jameswade1344 3 ай бұрын
Love the cutaway. Those tolerances are mind-boggling in accuracy. Nothing but nylon or cotton used in cleaning for me. Stroke Hold (Marine) is an amazing lubricant! Thanks for the warnings!
@frzy-e2877
@frzy-e2877 Жыл бұрын
Will you ever release a gauge kit or something resembling all the tools you use? Apologies if you already have but I remember a video you did where you implied one was in the works and I've been waiting anxiously. Appreciate all you do.
@StrollaLawDefense
@StrollaLawDefense Жыл бұрын
Excellent knowledge transfer! Great video for every owner. Just wish more would open their minds to this information
@cailrobbins
@cailrobbins Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this info! Had no idea… this type of thing is part of why I prefer my AK. Just harder to screw up
@PatriotPaulUSA
@PatriotPaulUSA 2 ай бұрын
Very well explained. Thanks for doing this!
@JettBlast
@JettBlast 6 ай бұрын
Great information, I run Nickel Boron BCG in all my ArmaLite Style rifles and 2 stage Nickle Boron Trigger groups and i wipe and lube with CLP and I know now i am doing what's best. Thanks for putting this out very educational...
@thesaint1517
@thesaint1517 Жыл бұрын
I submerge all the bcg parts in kerosene for about an hour then use a soft brush to remove what's left. I finally give a Hoppes light coat and I have been getting good results. In my experience, I have seen some shooters at the range with malfunctions and most of the time is because their bcgs are bone dry. Good comments and suggestion on this video as I continue to hear from some other AR shooters that they should be on the dry side. What they don't really is the friction the bolt endures is devastating without proper lubrication. Thanks you!
@JoseSuarez-bl9su
@JoseSuarez-bl9su 11 ай бұрын
I learned all my AR cleaning and care from SOTAR. I WISH I LIVED NEAR BY TO GO TO HIS SCHOOL. BUT IVE WATCHED ALL HIS VIDEOS AND IMO HES BEST AT BOTH WORLDS FIXING TO SPECS AND FINDING A SOLUTION TO MAKE IT FUNCTION. Lol I made my own paper clip tool like him. Little skills like that make a huge difference.
@madmaxd1
@madmaxd1 Жыл бұрын
Very insightful... Thank you so much for the heads up.
@armeddiver
@armeddiver 5 ай бұрын
Wow! Thank you. I wish someone had put this video out eight years ago when I first started shooting ARs privately. Between my active duty time and civil service time, I spent more than 43 years with the Army and from my first days as a recruit back in 1975 I was taught the dogma that “all” carbon had to be removed. I have all of those tools and more. This is the second video I have watched that taught me I was doing something wrong in the maintenance of my guns. Again, thank you.
@SC68170
@SC68170 8 ай бұрын
Appreciate the advice! Seems u have first hand knowledge of this and u seem to know what you're talking about when it comes to this. U saved me from scraping the bolt end with a wire brush to remove the fouling carbon that builds up. You beat my OCD with a hammer and won! Thank u! Now i know not to do it and that it's not a big deal
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