In Conversation with David Berlinski (2019) - Materialism, Darwinism, Artificial Intelligence & More

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We join the famous author and academic, Dr. David Berlinski, in his Paris home to discuss materialism, God, the origin of language, morality, and more. An enjoyable conversation with this scintillating intellect.
Dr Berlinski is the author of 'The Devil's Delusion: Atheism and its Scientific Pretensions' (2009) as well as a host of other book on mathematics, science and history. He is a Senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute's Centre for Science and Culture, and as an Editor of the online scientific journal 'Inference Review'. He has written and spoken widely on the supposed conflict between science and religion, including a debate with the late Christopher Hitchens.
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0:00 Intro
1:16 Berlinski's background
2:17 Does Materialism makes sense?
3:47 What are the Laws of Nature
10:01 What is consciousness?
15:47 Is Artificial Intelligence a threat?
19:36 Is Darwinian Evolution on its way out?
23:28 How did language originate?
35:03 Does religion poison human morality?
37:35 Can science teach us morality?
40:49 How influential has New Atheism been?
41:24 Spiritual but not religious/ are we just bodies?
42:52 Can religious ideas make a comeback in the west?
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@brianbob7514 4 жыл бұрын

Berlinski seems to be slowly transforming into a wizard

@Ironworthstriking 4 жыл бұрын

Berlinski is chilling so hard in this video.

@adamburling9551 3 жыл бұрын

When you know, you know.

@ahmanuelwedi563 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he stays chillin 😂

@zac3392 3 жыл бұрын

Like a villain...

@mcmanustony 3 жыл бұрын

@@adamburling9551 what does he know?

@patldennis 2 жыл бұрын

Obviously has back problems

@markslist1542 4 жыл бұрын

David Berlinski is a gem. Thank you for helping make his view's available.

@donaldreed2351 4 жыл бұрын

David Berlinski has a rare talent for pointing out the obvious with stunning clarity.

@spaceman884 4 жыл бұрын

Donald Reed I liken him to C.S Lewis in that way

@areyouavinalaff 3 жыл бұрын

Donald, what do you mean?

@areyouavinalaff 3 жыл бұрын

@ekimshield what do you mean?

@Mo74mmad 3 жыл бұрын

@@areyouavinalaff what do you mean?

@areyouavinalaff 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mo74mmad what do yo mean, what do I mean?

@yearight1205 4 жыл бұрын

David Berlinski is one of the people who helped in my journey to my return to my belief in God (and now I'm a Christian). He's really awesome, since he's an Agnostic (as I was at the time) who covers that it's not as cut and dry as the atheist side would like you to believe.

@myopenmind527 4 жыл бұрын

Yea Right how did him being wrong about evolution help you become a Christian? #Odd

@yearight1205 4 жыл бұрын

@@myopenmind527 how amusing, you think his entire argument is based on debunking evolution. He covers more than evolution if you must know. His book The Devils Delusion talks about a lot of things that get downplayed by the Atheist community.

@myopenmind527 4 жыл бұрын

Yea Right he’s not a biologist, he’s and advocate of the debunked pseudoscience of intelligent design. That about as much as needs to be said about him.

@adammeade2300 4 жыл бұрын

My OpenMind Oh, okay. So, rather than meet his ideas with your ideas, you’ve opted for the ol’ ad hominem. Genius!

@GeoCoppens 4 жыл бұрын

@@myopenmind527 You are damn right about Berlinski, a true idiot!

@MrBluemanworld 4 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best interviews because the interviewers were skillfull and light in their engagement. I prefer interviews where the guest is guided and allowed most of the speaking time. Great job!

@WalterTonetto 4 жыл бұрын

*Dr Berlinski is always astute and reasonable; most uncommon these days!* _The questions were also prudent and meaningfully aligned! Thank you!_

@cobrastriesand7693 4 жыл бұрын

The most stylish appearance of a Canadian Tuxedo I've ever seen.

@mcmanustony 3 жыл бұрын

please don't associate that preening, pretentious bore with my adopted home country.

@TechOutAdam 3 жыл бұрын

My goodness that’s the most chill I’ve ever seen someone on a podcast.

@McRingil 4 жыл бұрын

So good to see Dr Berlinski, was beginning to worry. Got to admire the guy for the wits and charm. God bless you.

@Autobotmatt428 4 жыл бұрын

You should see the video he did recently with Stephen C Meyers.

@j.h252 4 жыл бұрын

David Berlinski is a really original thinker, courageously tearing all shaking postulations of a superiority signaling scientific community apart. Very refreshing when unearned fame is getting dissolved by such a mastermind, only by clear thinking and questioning a bit like a child. Didn't know him until recently but must say, this outburst of intellectual clear thinking is really impressive. He is like a fog remover. You thought, something is wrong with some scientific statements, and then he comes demolishing so many vain dogmas with his typical laconical declarations.

@jrdahl1 4 жыл бұрын

I have just discovered Dr. Berlinski and find him to be a breath of fresh air. A keen mind and a great sense of humor. Thank you to whomever is responsible for this interview. I could listen to him for hours.

@jasonbrooks4371 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent guest. I can listen to David Berlinski for hours.

@mcmanustony 4 жыл бұрын

have you ever thought of listening to actual scientists instead of a bitter pseudo academic failure?

@Redrios 4 жыл бұрын

@@mcmanustony how is he a failure? and where is this pseudo-academic stuff displayed?

@mcmanustony 4 жыл бұрын

@@Redrios His bio is often quoted as a list of great achievements- lots of prestigious institutions where he has been employed. What is rarely mentioned is that he was fired from almost all these and, were it a record of a career in the ascent there would be a trail of peer reviewed publications of original work allowing us to follow the great man's academic trajectory. There's nothing. He has had a string of low level, non tenured teaching assistant jobs and has been unsuccessful at those. His attempts to write about mathematics are simply atrocious: pompous flowery prose hiding errors of substance- one example: in his book on calculus he gives a ridiculous account of Rolle's theorem that would leave anyone familiar with it gasping at the sheer stupidity of the writing, and anyone unfamiliar as clueless as they came. He then "illustrates" it with an "example" to which the theorem doesn't apply. I have already addressed his attempts to impress with mangled garbage about the Riemann Hypothesis- the statement of which he can't even recite without idiotic, and false, references to Schubert (!) and without getting basic terms completely wrong. He is a preening self idolizing bore with nothing better to do than sneer at the work of his betters.

@Redrios 4 жыл бұрын

@@mcmanustony I Agree, one would indeed not be understating by saying he is an "Academic with only one "almost published" (1996 iirc, his research partner Schützenberger, if he was true, died) legitimate research paper/publication. His fame/infamy rather stems from extracurricular activities" and one could just present him with reservations such as "writer of popular math divulgation books" or even "enfant savage of the Academia, ostracized yet not neutralized well-prepared orator, distinguished by his diatribes, lofty speech and audacious use of logical arguments in rhetorical devices". If the measure is Scientific endeavor, he is a failure, or even Research/originality and or contributions to Arts, Science, Philosophy, etc. But I don't see why in the first place does he need to be decorated/titled CV-filled to be able to legitimately criticize Science (an aspect of the scientific community), Art and/or Philosophy. Also yes, he even is not ashamed (which I find delightful) to say shit like "It was time I cashed some checks (as did the New Atheists with their ALSO NON-SERIOUS books)", because of his epistemological stance, he went Against them, writing a non-serious (just meaning non-scientific, nor philosophical, but in much of an Essay intent [and indeed it is an Essay book] -not that anything not Scientific is not serious, albeit in this context, for the sake of the Issue) Book in the tone of Swift's Modest Proposal, Wolff's Three Guineas, and Freud's History of the Psychoanalitycal movement. AND stating that another reason for the book publishing is Vanity (accusing Hitchen, Dawkins and others of the same trait as motive), to go on to say that secondarily, the way he treats the matter and the perspective are as they were presented because of his Bias, personality, epistemology, tastes, ideology, etc. I don't understand how, say, if someone comes out and writes a full critique of Newton's theory of gravity, he is precluded in the first place to do so "he is not qualified, and so on", especially relevant in this case because the subject matter includes the accusation of the said Scientific community of being a de facto "priestly class"; I believe the way to render him impotent, is not by simple disregard: that justs reaffirms his point.

@mcmanustony 4 жыл бұрын

@@Redrios which of his "criticisms" do you think has merit? All I see is sneering and griping. His "critique" of evolution is as ludicrous as his pompous bilge on mathematics. His lack of anything resembling a respectable contribution to knowledge does diminish his posturing as some kind of authority. but the actual content of his babbling is really the issue. nothing he has said about evolution here or elsewhere can be taken as any kind of substantive critique.

@sheldonberg125 4 жыл бұрын

David Berlinski is an erudite man in the true sense of the word. He is easily the most interesting secularist in the world that I have had the pleasure of listening to. I have huge admiration for Mr. Berlinski. I can understand him yet he stretches my understanding every time I listen to him. He is a serious and gifted thinker. I wish more people would wrestle with the same questions Berlinski discusses.

@hamaadkhan8922 4 жыл бұрын

Incredible discussion. Didn’t think I would watch this in one sitting, but Berlinski was too intriguing. Great man with a brilliant insight. Can’t wait to see more of these InDIalogues. Keep it up guys!

@nickvk1aa450 4 жыл бұрын

Nasser brothers are cool. So open minded, young, smart. Berlinski is clearly enjoying their company.

@40ozhemlock 4 жыл бұрын

Most. Awkward. Interview. Seating. Arrangement. Ever.

@j.jasonwentworth723 4 жыл бұрын

...And Albert Einstein refused to wear socks with shoes; when, at an official function, he was about to dance with the Queen of Denmark and a friend of his said, "Albert, I'm going to tell her you aren't wearing socks!", he happily replied, "I already told her."

@clouseauthecat181 4 жыл бұрын

The absurdity of it is pure gold. Great conversation though.

@archangel7052 4 жыл бұрын

😂😅 Yep....gayish sitting arrangement.

@d.d.9472 4 жыл бұрын

Well, I'll tell ya: dress up like that in my neighborhood, you'd better be a dockworker.

@jonasirw1 4 жыл бұрын

David is really looking like Christopher Lloyd..a bit Jim from taxi and a bit of doc

@evanhume3706 4 жыл бұрын

David Berlinski needs to go on Joe Rogans podcast!

@chaimnisan2841 4 жыл бұрын

Dr. Berlinski is very eloquent and points out materialism's flaws with great clarity. I also like the fact that he gives zero f*cks which shows in his appearance and the hilarious excuse he gives for slouching. It's a very helpful characteristic when saying controversial stuff.

@jamesking3751 3 жыл бұрын

A great example of why a philosopher should not pass judgement on science. if you don't understand it your opinion is worthless

@tessysingh1327 3 жыл бұрын

I could listen to David Berlinski talk forever like a kindergarten child who loves his teacher just like these two adorable bearded brothers giggling at his Arise Dumbo joke. No matter how intelligent one is one is reduced to childlike awe and joyful giggles in the presence of David Berlinski's erudition and dry wit.

@robbykiller2323 2 жыл бұрын

Could U please explain the Arise Dumbo joke?

@robbykiller2323 2 жыл бұрын

@مُحنك thanks bro

@BrianBerneker 4 жыл бұрын

"We can recognize nonsense on stilts when it comes tripping to the room" Berlinski gold!

@mcmanustony 4 жыл бұрын

nonsense like his "cows to whales" routine? pure comedy gold. The man is a pompous fraud.

@jamesh486 4 жыл бұрын

Yes...what a marvelous caricatured image of Science and it's pretensions . Goya could have included an image of this in his series of prints Los Caprichos....maybe he did, I will go and check.

@mcmanustony 4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesh486 except Berlinski is not a scientist and never has been.

@j.h252 4 жыл бұрын

@mcmanustony 4 жыл бұрын

@@j.h252 "David Berlinski is a really original thinker,"- is he? In what subject? He poses as an authority on biology despite never having studied the subject. How much courage does it take to collect cheques from the so called Discovery Institute to peddle lies about evolution?

@fzllhuq 4 жыл бұрын

I never see such a cool guy like David Berlinski

@peculiarminds2339 4 жыл бұрын

The delicately boastful use of the English language by Berlinski is incredibly satisfying

@MountainFisher 3 жыл бұрын

Lynn Margulis who came up with her Endosymbiotic Theory on Evolution because even in the mid 60s while she was still married to Carl Sagan she doubted Darwin. I think Lynn was the first person to say that Natural Selection only explained the survival of the fittest, but not the arrival of the fittest. I set under some of her lectures when I went to UCLA while she was a professor at Stanford. Very smart woman.

@suppiluiiuma5769 2 жыл бұрын

Whether you agree with him or not, Dr Berlinksi is an extremely likeable man. Great sense of humour.

@mcmanustony 2 жыл бұрын

I find him to be a pretentious fraud....and utterly repulsive. What is likeable about a bitter academic failure sneering at his betters?

@jeffrourke2322 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, consider me subscribed. It's interesting, as a fan of Berlinski I've rarely seen him this engaged in such a conversational tone. I think the youth of the interviewers, and their authentic curiosity about these topics really brought something out of Dr. Berlinski that is rarely seen. Of course, only Berlinski can be rejuvenated while laying down on a couch with a cane in his hand! Great job all around.

@Salam99-1 4 жыл бұрын

Amen

@RationalReligion 4 жыл бұрын

We hope you guys enjoyed this interview! Let us know in the replies what your favourite part of it was :)

@ryantandy307 4 жыл бұрын

The last..."social justice is clearly a messianic movement."

@KALLAN8 4 жыл бұрын

How did we acquire the arts of civilisation? How were we receptive to these things even if we were taught to speak, do maths or create functional societies? - comparing ourselves to animals is a not appropriate, because we co-evolved with them and not only alongside them. We are the top of the food chain not by coincidence, we could have wiped out all nearest cognitive competitors down to the level stupid animals. *This is like a grade one class room where the smartest student has to kill the all the dumber students to progress and by the time he passes his final year compares himself with the cat and thinks he is a miracle.* - we are made of maths, reality communicates and our primitive cells used to live in colonies of millions. These things are our universal origin, so it is not too wild to think that we are only increasingly understanding nature, more then we are conquering nature with an abstract unnatural ability.

@GustAdlph 4 жыл бұрын

The respectful nature of the questions and answers. No one was trying to outsmart anyone else, which so many of these debates descend into.

@ragingchimera8021 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed the discussion of language, that is something I have been pondering a lot lately. Very interesting interview and channel. Subbed!

@mcmanustony 3 жыл бұрын

A bitter, nasty old fraud lying about science to which he's contributed nothing- what's not to enjoy!

@petec3185 3 жыл бұрын

“Can I interview you” “Sure” .......... “No, I don’t plan on moving”

@j.h252 4 жыл бұрын

@mcmanustony 3 жыл бұрын

"courageously tearing all shaking postulations of a superiority signaling scientific community apart"- really? All I see is a bitter academic failure lying and sneering at his betters. He has zero expertise in any of the branches of science he lies about and has contributed precisely nothing to any branch of any science at any time. Very impressive indeed.....

@Jim-mn7yq 3 жыл бұрын

@@mcmanustony "All I see is a bitter academic failure lying and sneering at his betters." Uh, no, Tony. Berlinski actually got his PhD. You on the other hand couldn't hack it and bailed. So if there's any bitter academic failure in this discussion, it would be you.

@mcmanustony 3 жыл бұрын

@@Jim-mn7yq He got his PhD. It had no impact on scholarship and he failed to find a full time job. I'm currently guest instructor at the University of Milwaukee. I've taught there before....and at the University of Exeter, University of Strathclyde, The Royal Scottish Academy, The Royal Scottish Conservatoire, The University of Limerick, University College Cork, University College Dublin, University of Ulster, Berklee College of Music, Boston College, Sibelius Institute Helsinki......never been fired, never lied about my position, never lied about the views of my peers, never feigned expertise in areas where I know nothing. Not even a nice try. But maybe I can still get you a sticker for hard core obsession......

@mcmanustony 3 жыл бұрын

@@Jim-mn7yq sometimes I think about Berlinkifying my resume. You see, I was a senior emeritus titular research associate in non-standard economic theory at New York University. The facts: I was invited to give a seminar to post-grad MBAs on the economics of independent record companies at CUNY. I was in NYC for two days. They made a point of showing me the Courant Institute which was nice! He's a hopeless, bitter old fraud.

@Jim-mn7yq 3 жыл бұрын

@@mcmanustony "I'm currently guest instructor at the University of Milwaukee." Really? Well that's quite interesting because there is no University of Milwaukee. But, hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

@GreatWaterCircus 4 жыл бұрын

David Berlinski what a dude.. this is a very cool interview by two young dudes who ask some good questions.. I love the coach style interview, interesting composition and it gave the interview a really cool touch.

@hymnsake 4 жыл бұрын

First time I heard him speak in '08 and up till now still... smartest man alive

@Stevenowski 4 жыл бұрын

According to the Bible, he is a fool. The fool says in his heart that there is no God. A brilliant mind, indeed. I pray for this man often for his salvation.

@calebng7527 4 жыл бұрын

@@Stevenowski I think David Berlinski's position on the topic is that there probably is a God.

@dinahstanley3064 4 жыл бұрын

Could listen to this all day!

@dwayneconaway1733 4 жыл бұрын

I love David Berlinski what a great mind. I really hope he finds Jesus.

@Stormvetprime01 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, but not how it works. The Holy Spirit finds you. Keep in mind, however, Dr. B probably has an interest in perceived ambivalence. Jesus, on the other hand, sees the heart from before the foundations of the Earth (see Romans 8:28 - 31)

@Sherlock245 3 жыл бұрын

@@Stormvetprime01 if no one goes to help him he will never know like David attenbrough.

@mostinho7 3 жыл бұрын

Hope he finds the truth in islam

@TyrellWellickEcorp 3 жыл бұрын

@@mostinho7 Hate to burst your bubble but the Quran is a false book and has been thoroughly disproven.

@kakalam6004 3 жыл бұрын

@@TyrellWellickEcorp not really, that is personal opinion, academically nobody says quran is false, as there is overwhelming historical evidence for its authenticity and the mechanism it was arranged.

@adagietto2523 4 жыл бұрын

Belrisnki is always interesting to listen to because he never offers an automatic response to any question.

@mcmanustony 4 жыл бұрын

he is an intellectual coward. Evolution- "I am an agnostic on that question". Intelligent design- "I am an agnostic on that question" though will happily cash the welfare cheques from the DI. Existence of god- "I am an agnostic" though will pander to the religious right to pay the bills. "Atheism or wahabism"- "I am an agnostic on that question"......What day of the week is it David? "I am an agnostic on that question"......

@adagietto2523 4 жыл бұрын

@@mcmanustony I don't see as beeing an intellectual coward; he is in fact thoroughly sceptical about the neodarwinian account of evolution, but I don't see why that should oblige him to accept ID After all, ID can all too easily be visualized as just mechanistic biology with added information from God, and it is quite possible (indeed overwhelmingly likely) that we don't understand enough about the nature of life and development even to be able to raise the question in any sensible of how organisms come to evolve over time. Similarly, one can be sceptical about certain kinds of dogmatic atheism without feeing obliged to accept any form of dogmatic theism.

@mcmanustony 4 жыл бұрын

@@adagietto2523 Given that he has zero training or experience in any life science and has contributed precisely nothing original to any branch of any science at any time his "scepticism" is no more significant than the guy in the pub babbling in the corner. He rejects evolution because it pays the bills. He rejects ID because he's intellectually incapable of presenting and defending a view. Having rejected these and offered no alternative his answer is......drum roll......take a deep breath......." it's vexed in my view". Well bugger me! the world's biologists, mathematicians, geneticists, biochemists, paleontologists etc. can down tools.....the great man has spoken and apparently it's "vexed". The only question raised by this preening poseur is "how does he get taken seriously by anyone".

@adagietto2523 4 жыл бұрын

@@mcmanustony Berlinski is of course a mathematician primarliy, but he has sufficient scientific knowledge to be able to criticize Darwinian ideas on mathematical and other grounds, continuing along the route followed by his friend Marco Schützenberger. If you suggest that he is no different from a bloke babbling in the corner of a pub, that merely indicatest that you are ignorant of his wrtiings and the cogent arguments that he puts forward in them. As for not accepting ID, that is consistent with his religious agnosticism.

@janethockey9070 4 жыл бұрын

Adagietto He was a postdoc in molecular biology at Columbia

@tefilobraga 3 жыл бұрын

Berlinski's response about the dead body of a person that died having survived them is very simplistic. The body survives, but immediately starts degrading (or rather, was already degrading during the moment at which death occurred), no longer serving the purpose of supporting consciousness, although that degradation may not be obvious externally until the body visibly starts decomposing. Therefore, the argument that a person IS a body is logically tenable, as long as for the body to function properly (and generate a consciousness) it is required that a number of biological conditions be fulfilled, the last of which (enabling life) is withdrawn at the moment of death. The consciousness is, in this sense, nothing more than the result of the conjugation of these required biological conditions, not necessarily something separated from the body, which somehow leaves it at the moment of death.

@laurengaskell2098 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the interview and thanks to Dr Berlinski for sharing his precious thoughts. I have had really nice time watching and listening!

@nathanwishart8616 4 жыл бұрын

thank you having this interview.

@aleksandrahelenapasieczna6414 3 жыл бұрын

If any time this great thinker will give lectures in Paris - I'm in!

@mcmanustony 3 жыл бұрын

He has absolutely no traction in Paris or anywhere outside the fundamentalist Christian right in the US.

@patrickkparrker413 2 жыл бұрын

@@mcmanustony Very few can speak English there anyway in that socialist hell hole .

@mcmanustony 2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickkparrker413 Wrong on both counts. Most speak English. Many better than you. France has been governed by the centre right for many years. You're not very good at this.

@Salam99-1 4 жыл бұрын

What a brilliant episode! I love Dr Berlinski and some of his books have shaken me to my core; his sentences are always creative, evocative and moving. His breadth of erudition is astonishing - and his interest in Islam was pleasant, though of course he must have engaged with the tradition! Does anyone know how one might get in-touch - if he is indeed so inclined to do so to begin with? I've often thought of sending him a letter, but Paris is a big place! I've no idea if he 'does' email! Anyway, my warmest wishes to him, and I pray his health holds up that we may get to love him more for decades to come :) He's on my bucket list of people to meet May the Almighty Preserve you, and your work :)

@dinahstanley3064 4 жыл бұрын

Salām ditto to the above! Well said!

@rachimbaskin6559 4 жыл бұрын

I suppose through the Discovery Institute.

@benwheeler4289 4 жыл бұрын

He does have a website you can find via google. Pretty sure you can message him there, but I'd imagine he gets lots of requests for replies so you may have a wait for one.

@piwinter 4 жыл бұрын

I love Berlinski! But why are these three all on that sofa, the philosopher comfortably spread out while the other two are squeezed like two 5 year old choir boys? 😂🤣😂🤣😂

@stephen1137 4 жыл бұрын

Because real life and genuine thought are the sorts of things which ought to be accepted in a variableness which is inherent in creation, as opposed to, say, the contrived theatre of establishment disinformation which was developed to maximize the appeal and intended indisputable authority of radio and television as controlled by that establishment, and now, with the careful gate-keeping and censorship of the internet by Eric Schmidt and his fellow spawn who also serve that same agglomeration of criminal enterprises known as the "establishment."

@stephen1137 4 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist That's very kind of you. Thank you.

@roquegiler 4 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahhahhahahaa

@amandabula8732 3 жыл бұрын

Stephen you sound like a space cadet! No sensical answer on your part. Remind me of some of my youth friend on the 80's stone out on some source of drugs trying to show intelligent!!!!!! lol

@sabinacamacho7695 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah with his knowledge he needs the comfort so the wise words will flow from his head to toe lol I’m kidding I love listening to him tho

@Autobotmatt428 4 жыл бұрын

I love his wit

@queziavazquez228 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video and for providing the timings!

@kaidjinn07 4 жыл бұрын

Captivating and more than Netflix worthy content. That's the kind of discussion I would find on the channel 'Arte' known for quality content and surely the best channel in France. Thank you very much guys, I really enjoyed this interview.

@slingoking 4 жыл бұрын

Good job gents, Berlinski is for my dollar the greatest raconteur I've encountered. A brilliant mind, with a brilliant way of expressing himself, even by doing the whole interview slouched. Love it. I will take issue with him on Chalmers "hard problem of consciousness". Here Berlinski's own intellect out performs his realization of it. His intellect tells him he needs to understand consciousness before declaring statements on it. The real analysis of Chalmers statement would be that Chalmers (and Berlinski) commits an assumptive error in presupposing a material world out of which consciousness arises, therefore having a hard problem. The only thing we know is consciousness, in it all things take place. We assume other consciousnesses, because it appears so, but we have no proof of this. We assume the material because it effects our consciousness in some way, but we have no proof of this. We have a hard problem of material. You can assume material, simply on faith because it seems to be so, and it could make doing science a bit tricky for the person who would refuse to do that - but your still operating under an unprovable assumption. To practice philosophy from this angle, assuming the exterior and then claiming to have a difficult time working back to the one thing we know beyond any doubt, is a bit silly. Berlinski points out that they (philosophers) talk about it for lifetimes and "nothing changes", but this is only because every discussion turns to the "material first" angle. Even if you believe that consciousness has risen out of material process, everything would change if all discussions began with the admission that it is all we know.

@psychvision101 4 жыл бұрын

Well said. Consciousness is the means by which we know the material and therefore takes epistemological priority. Though Berlinski has a point when he says the terms are a bit fuzzy, but I don't think that's insoluble.

@slingoking 4 жыл бұрын

@@psychvision101 I believe the terms are necessarily fuzzy, beyond refinement. That it will always be known, but unrelatable in the terms that the "material first" or "appeal to scientific method" crowd would like to see. But since it (consciousness) is the logical primitive, and that this is ontologically and logically provable, I feel every discussion of science would be improved by this view. Treat the world around like a computer program - until proven otherwise - and the scientific and moral results would be amazing. Another shoe may drop and we may understand mind and consciousness from a provable bottom up explanation, but as of now we are impossibly far from this being our truth, and until then I feel science and philosophy should be done and spoken of from the logical position of the experience that is taking place. If we can move forth from that without appeal to magic, fine. But until then to assume the backward in approach may ( and I think we already see this) be hampering experimental discovery that can greatly improve our understanding of the condition in which we find ourselves.

@laceytheking1993 6 ай бұрын

Berlinski is so fucking cool. Fully reclined, taking up at least half the sofa, double denim, twirling his cane. All whilst espousing beautifully articulated arguments with extreme intelligence, wisdom, and humour. We are lucky to have him.

@mcmanustony 6 ай бұрын

What is he any good at? His academic career was a disaster, never landing a full time job and being fired from a succession of low level temp assistant gigs. He has contributed fuck all to any branch of any science at any time and makes a grubby living on the Christian right bobble head circuit in the US where he poses as a mathematician while sneering at and lying about scientists who actually get stuff done. So fucking cool......

@mcmanustony 6 ай бұрын

@HHH78709 4 жыл бұрын

Superb conversation guys !

@ahmadm4397 4 жыл бұрын

The Nasser Brothers are an inspiration.

@RationalReligion 4 жыл бұрын

Join our telegram channel to keep up to date! t.me/rationalreligion TIMINGS: 1:16 - Berlinski's background 2:17 - Does Materialism makes sense? 3:47 - What are the Laws of Nature 10:01 - What is consciousness? 15:47 - Is Artificial Intelligence a threat? 19:36 - Is Darwinian Evolution on its way out? 23:28 - How did language originate? 35:03 - Does religion poison human morality? 37:35 - Can science teach us morality? 40:49 - How influential has New Atheism been? 41:24 - Spiritual but not religious/ are we just bodies? 42:52 - Can religious ideas make a comeback in the west?

@RationalReligion 4 жыл бұрын

@@etwalt647 you're welcome!

@Autobotmatt428 4 жыл бұрын

Rational Religion thank you

@araunapalm 4 жыл бұрын

AI is a threat when people use it to surveille and control others - which already is taking place in China and set to spread to the rest of the world. The bible does not teach immortality of soul - other religions including christendom have lent these ideas from ancient Babilon. The bible teaches that humans die like an animal Eccl 3:19 & 20 and have no thoughts or knowledge after death. Eccl 9: 5 & 10.

@nestorvalentsuela4982 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for popularizing one of the greatest thinkers of our time. It is high time we are faced with the current situation in science and humanity as a whole!

@amandabula8732 3 жыл бұрын

Arauna Palm you need to read the whole chapter. All the chapter of Eccl chapter 9 is implying that all of humans life at the end is futile (striving, ambition, every source of knowledge, etc) for when human die if they have not contribute to doing something good for other humans and improve the world in which they live; their life were with out significant. Not that they die like animals since animals reasoning and finale ending it is obvious difference than animal!!!!!!!

@jamesh486 4 жыл бұрын

I always find David Berlinski very intelligent and interesting but he does remind me of a comment made about W.H . Auden that " He doesn't love God , he is just attracted to Him "

@atharwarraich5390 4 жыл бұрын

Great interview! Love his light hearted take on the debate. His take on materialism was interesting though.

@Rightlydividing-wx1xb 4 жыл бұрын

Amazingly, David is not a theist, not sure there is a God, but agrees with design and information from intelligence in all science disciplines. Contradictory ACTUALLY! There cannot be an intelligence behind the creation of the universe or life, etc., apart from an incredibly powerful and UTTERLY BRILLIANT being, outside of SPACE AND TIME!

@patrickkparrker413 2 жыл бұрын

Read Romans one

@sohaibology 3 жыл бұрын

Jazakumullāh for the timestamps guys!

@SomeGuy-cw9rw 3 жыл бұрын

The next time I entertain I’m going to assume the pose Berlinski has in this interview. Lol. Definitely need to get a cane and a denim jacket to pull it off, though. 😂😂

@prestonirvin1209 3 жыл бұрын

This is a good video, I didn’t realize until I read the comments that these guys are brothers. It looked to me that they were a married couple and it was distracting bc the second guy didn’t say anything so I was wondering why he was in the video if not to sit there smushed up to and with his arm around the other guy lol. The shirts didn’t help either lol, but I did really enjoy the video great job !

@cornflakesmachine300 3 жыл бұрын

u should check out their other videos... smart guys...

@outreachdesk8629 4 жыл бұрын

Fascinating insight! So good.

@NothingMaster 4 жыл бұрын

My flatulent elephants have always flown, but never exactly when I wanted them to take to the air.

@doyourbest.9554 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this information and opportunity to watch a good conversation.

@Ahmad-tj2yc 4 жыл бұрын

great interview. need more content like this keep it up 👍

@WideAwakeHuman 3 жыл бұрын

I love his answer about whether he worries about AI... My bullshit meter always goes off anytime some "smart" person is saying how scared they are that AI will just destroy us sometime in the future. He says exactly how I feel about all the modern scientists as they talk about how they KNOW this and they KNOW that. They KNOW nearly nothing and I love how he so plainly explains how little we actually know about the mind and our origins.

@cd1857 4 жыл бұрын

Fantastic that Berlinski recognizes the new push for "social justice" (as opposed to just a normal desire for simply "justice") as the kind of messianic cult, replete with it's own set of policed taboos, it has become.

@veanwhitcher7867 4 жыл бұрын

I could listen to David for hours, fascinating mind!

@mcmanustony 3 жыл бұрын

good god......try raising your standards. What exactly is he good at?

@spaceUniverse2012 4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant interview, more guests like him!

@danishahmed6902 3 жыл бұрын

Incredible discussion and accounts. Keep it up.

@1Victorinus 4 жыл бұрын

Berlinski looks like he is in very poor health. I hope he is well.

@allseeingeyeofgod4777 4 жыл бұрын

I don't think he's so sick , really... I think he's just into Conserving Energy...

@Autobotmatt428 4 жыл бұрын

@@allseeingeyeofgod4777 I think what your looking for is "relaxed"

@ScooBdont 4 жыл бұрын

There is something he’s hesitant to divulge. The line at the beginning about buying a couch built for a 10 foot person (I think that was the height he said) was a cover for the actual reason.

@clouseauthecat181 4 жыл бұрын

@@Autobotmatt428 he looks like he is being sucked into the couch. The absurdity of it is wonderful.

@marianam8643 4 жыл бұрын

Nice interview.

@pietbliksem 4 жыл бұрын

Great interview!

@adammeade2300 4 жыл бұрын

Fantastic interview. I wish Berlinski would make some syllogisms between his ideas and tacit Biblical concepts, for his own benefit, but I appreciate at least that he's not such an anti-theist as the typical rank-and-file of his colleagues and cherished asking the questions that cut both ways.

@Romailjohn 3 жыл бұрын

He is agnostics dear but I'm proud Christian

@Autobotmatt428 4 жыл бұрын

I think you guys should do more interviews

@qadhizafar 4 жыл бұрын

Really interesting interview - kept me engaged. Great job!

@garygevisser1262 4 жыл бұрын

David Berlinski stands alone; he is the most credible in terms of his analysis of everything; and the fact that he puts his peers on the stand is very brave.

@fmafan123456789 4 жыл бұрын

U should peep game on Ken wilbers ideas

@garygevisser1262 4 жыл бұрын

@@fmafan123456789 You introduced me to two previous unknowns, "peep game" and "Ken Wilbers". I needed Google's help on both. I sense strong ESP; still it would help if you drew more clearly the connection between what I said and Ken Wilber's ideas. Thanks.

@fmafan123456789 4 жыл бұрын

Sure, you stated he is "the most credible in terms of his analysis of everything." And that he "stands alone". It made me think to introduce Ken wilbers integral theory to you :) very very good stuff there

@garygevisser1262 4 жыл бұрын

Billy Carpenter, I see that your response which entailed that you felt positively about Ken Wilber has been removed. Did you remove it?

@fmafan123456789 4 жыл бұрын

@@garygevisser1262 I did not! :( that's odd!

@saintsaint7473 4 жыл бұрын

I love Berlinski

@jordanf.4876 4 жыл бұрын

That’s where Doc Brown has been all these years!

@RepublicConstitution 4 жыл бұрын

I love Berlinski. Just look at the cane and blue jean jacket sans sleeves.

@Autobotmatt428 4 жыл бұрын

You should do more interviews

@ericscholtens3453 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't hear anything the guy on the left opened with, because the guy on the right was burrowing through me with his eyes.

@dougg1075 3 жыл бұрын

The staff of knowledge.

@mcmanustony 3 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding? Knowledge of what?

@d.d.9472 4 жыл бұрын

The way he fondles that cane is unsettling.

@Nowhy 4 жыл бұрын

Who would care about that?

@TheMichaelseymour 3 жыл бұрын

never mind another great book from him... i liked him best as doc in back to the future

@YHWH101 2 жыл бұрын

😆

@patriciapalmer1377 2 жыл бұрын

I don't want to hear that I can't crap, my mother said.The two hardest things, mentally and physiologically, humans ever learn are walking and talking and they learn that by 2.

@joseywales7463 Жыл бұрын

29:45 Where does it come from

@anaelle3437 3 жыл бұрын

David cracks me up

@adamburling9551 3 жыл бұрын

Dude he's practically laying down 😄👍

@carlf2842 4 жыл бұрын

The spiritual v religious (and Davids response 'yah me too") Would have liked his view point on this? I wish him good health.

@janethockey9070 4 жыл бұрын

ThingsAreGood always From another interview there is a god shaped hole in their heart but mine is quite small

@patrickkparrker413 2 жыл бұрын

@@janethockey9070 He's in big trouble .

@hithere1364 4 жыл бұрын

There cannot be awareness without consciousness.

@donshery 4 жыл бұрын

Mashallah great work guys keep it up.

@bibleknowledge9321 4 жыл бұрын

Yep

@conradbulos6164 Ай бұрын

Consciousness, basically, is a form of very elementary psychic ability we have which allows us, thru the use our five senses, to identify the different aspects of the world around us and which further helps us discriminate which is beneficial to us and which are destructive and to be avoided. With further use our creative consciousness, we are able to create things beneficial to our wellbeing. We also possess emotional consciousness that enables us to love, procreate and reproduce or the negative consciousness if left uncontrolled, could lead us to destroy or selfdestruct.

@conradbulos6164 Ай бұрын

By the way, consciousness, which is really a form vibration, actually permeates the whole universe, and material existence occur due to varying degrees of frequency, the lowest frequency being present in solid odjects like rocks. Plants have a slightly higher frequency, animals at a finer level of frequency, and at the top are humans, with the highest frequency, endowed with creativity and the potential to achieve the superfine frequency which is the nature of God.

@tachikomakusanagi3744 3 жыл бұрын

I plan to convert this into an audio file, as i'm interested in the ideas but the way the seating is arranged is a little, er, strange.

@brackishnz 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the seating arrangement was Berlinski's idea just to weird everyone out. I could see that.

@RationalReligion 3 жыл бұрын

Let's just say it wasn't our idea.

@jamesh486 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting comments David made about materialism ...hard to nail down exactly. Is this a material world we live in or a spirit world. What is is the range and scope of it , the qualitative nature of it. What is Love and Truth.

@StreetsOfVancouverChannel 4 жыл бұрын

Computers don't 'think'... they compute... they will perhaps be able to compute faster than the human brain... but it's questionable whether they will actually 'think'.

@302indian 4 жыл бұрын

Computers were made in the image and likeness of their creator. A distinction to be made between thinking and computing worth being aware of.

@neliborba6141 2 жыл бұрын

I believe that Man was never a wild animal not knowing what to do or think to resolve his daily problems, also, that man was born with superior intelligence which allowed him to flourish, prosper and grow in wild and barbarian times.

@MortenBendiksen 2 жыл бұрын

We have a philosophy group in church. What we do is exactly the opposite of wondering whether we are zombies. We read poetry, talk about it, and how it is relevant to our parish and what we do in it.

@patrickkparrker413 2 жыл бұрын

This world is full of zombies now , clearly .

@smsog2236 9 ай бұрын

'What compels the electron to follow the laws of nature?' .... My God, my God... Phenomenal interview!

@mcmanustony 4 ай бұрын

why?

@smsog2236 4 ай бұрын

@@mcmanustony in terms of physical sciences, you don't find this question deeply interesting?

@mcmanustony 4 ай бұрын

@@smsog2236 I don't think the question is well posed. Laws of nature are descriptive- they are not behests. The fact seems to be that electrons can't do OTHER than do what they do, described to an increasingly accurate way by what we currently call the laws of nature. Sure the issue is interesting. I seriously doubt any light is going to be shed by a pretentious, lying poseur like Berlinski.

@mcmanustony 4 ай бұрын

@@smsog2236 I find it poorly posed. Laws of nature are DESCRIPTIVE- they are not behests. In that sense the answer to the question is simple: nothing, they are not compelled. Our investigations have uncovered regularities that can be mathematically described. These laws simply (or not so simply) describe what electrons DO, not what they should do or are compelled to do. The foundations of physics are interesting for sure. The chances of any light being shone by this pretentious, lying poseur are pretty much nil.

@mcmanustony 4 ай бұрын

@@smsog2236 my first response disappeared and has now reappeared! KZfaq has been hit or miss for some time now.

@mzubuki 2 жыл бұрын

"I shall use the foolish things of the world to confound the wise." "Walk by faith not by sight." Don't use your eyes I'm going to try to trick you cause morality is more important than what you can see.

@rep3e4 3 жыл бұрын

Just shows that Dawkins and Hitchens were just hot air

@mcmanustony 3 жыл бұрын

What does? The sneering of a bitter failed academic and fraud shows that a distinguished scientist is hot air how exactly?

@hithere1364 4 жыл бұрын

Who would ask about consciousness if we are not conscious to ask.

@sociallysavage1126 4 жыл бұрын

Yes. We all end up back at this point. Descartes was getting at far more than he is credited for

@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY 4 жыл бұрын

Remarkable although I do not understand much of it! BAFS

@kakalam6004 3 жыл бұрын

6:20 ...what surah Surah Fussilat 41:11 ...Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly."

@cynic5537 4 жыл бұрын

In what way does the body survive death? It merely takes some time for the decay to set in but unless frozen or otherwise preserved the body will experience different stages after death: 1. Pallor mortis i. e. the collapse of circulation which leads to paleness 2. Algor mortis i. e. the adaption of the temperature of the body to its environment 3. Rigor mortis i. e. the stiffening of the limbs 4. Livor mortis i. e. the heavy red blood cells sinks to the bottom because of gravity 5. Putrefaction i. e. the decomposition of matter which leads to loss in cohesiveness of the tissue 6. Decomposition of the body and subsequent skeletonization where at the end only the skeleton remains And if you wait long enough eventually the skeleton will either become decompositioned itself or if under the right conditions it may experience fossilization.