Good drummer for shitty music. Check!

​@ThePedophileExposingHunterfound the insecure guy going around, spreading his bullshit. Go on, keep on being miserable. You'll never achieve anything with this boring attitude. Take a good look into the mirror once and see.

​@@petegrusky2715 found the other one

Lol ok bro. Isolate her drum track. Sounds like a little kid after playing the drums for a few months of practice.

@@stonaraptor8196 1: you liked our own comment 2: that's kind of the point, man. Jack White said it himself, her drumming is like a little kid beating the hell out of a drumset, caveman style. 3: The drumtrack was never supposed to be seperated, because it only works together with Jack's guitar and voice and whatever other instrument he plays. You could say "oh, but Jack's guitar and voice work with any other drummer". Yeah,I agree. They do. BUT he has never been as successful as he was together with Meg. It just works. Her playing inspired Jack and that inspiration isn't there for him anymore and quite frankly it shows on all of his post-TWS records. TL;DR: you're stupid /j

Raise a toast to Saint Meg White

I get your point but according to that quote eating crisps is music, and I think we agree that that isn't true...

@@meif6302 Eating chips definitely doesn't sound good. Not for the eater who hears a full load of crunch nearby their ears 😂 and for the people who are listening to a person smacking their lips and chewing on something crunchy. Atleast I wouldn't say so 🤷🏿‍♂️

@@meif6302 That has to be the dumbest argument ever lol

@@meif6302 I'm not sure? If crisps aren't music then what about celery? I thought that was Paul Mc Cartneys greatest moment!

I came to write the same thing 😂

Dang....

I wouldn't say "how Jack wanted her to sound", I would say it's more like Meg sounded the only way she knew how to sound and... it worked for what the two did together.

I agree with Thom and C.S. Meg was perfect for Jack at that time. All the rest of this explanation presented here is somewhat contrived.

The Way He Needed Her To

I have never heard an accomplished drummer diss Ringo Starr or Meg White, so that’s speaks for something.

@@cremetangerine82 I've been a drummer for over 2 and a half months.......they both suck. So now you've heard it.

With Ringo, it depends on the track. My problem is that his drumming sometimes comes off as boring. Like in "I want you (she's so heavy)", I always felt that his drumming lacked the intensity that the track seemed to be going for, at least until the end of it.

@@shadez123 Ringo has to keep time on a song that changes quite a bit, so that may hamper going as intense at the first half of the song.

@@shadez123 George Martin fucked him over and turned him down a lot listen to the white album remixes from 2019 they turned ringo up and he almost hits as hard as bonzo on some tracks. Also don’t diss the guy, come together alone is a genius drum track.

The Third Stripe!

Jesus Christ.......

I think he likes the white stripes...

You got a reaction, didn't you?

no

Shes like charlie watts

Grizzlo ....Well said.

Aye ti that.

She was the right drummer for that band. She was never off the beat. A more proficient drummer would have been wrong for the WS.

david tingley *She was never on the beat

We’ll give it a *home*

That free flowing ability and confidence to be spontaneous and rock steady at the same time is what it's all about, no matter what the technical demands of what you're playing.

You can really see how incredible she is at reading what Jack is doing on the Blackpool concert. Even when Jack was going to all fucking places on Death Letter she was right there with him.

On top of that she has horrible anxiety playing live. Keeping up with Jack on stage while dealing with that is nothing short of incredible.

Thousands of drummers could do what she did. Why do people who know jack shit about music say this kinda stuff?

@@yeeehawwdy2638 THANK YOU! 🍻 my 9 year old could keep all that time 🤦‍♂️ so Fukin mind boggling how much everyone sucks this band off 🤯😂

Meg got shit in constantly when the White Strips were active - I think that's part of the reason why she left the band...other than you know, being in a band with your exhusband, who is an eccentric person....I wonder if Jack would act in character while on tour and would emotionally deny Meg.

the praising in this video doesn't make much sense. don't wanna sound overcritical or rude but she's really not a great drummer or a great singer like the video claims (she hardly keeps her tempo and literally sings out of tune). but the thing is: who cares?? she was never supposed to be "great" because that was never the point. I love The White Stripes, people seem to forget that they were a garage/punk rock band, not prog/jazzy/classical rock or something like that. and I truly believe that's the beauty of their sound. god, everything is raw and sloppy, including Jack's guitar(!), the arrangements/production and even the quality of the recordings. I wouldn't say that she's a "great drummer" because she simply isn't... but well she's the drummer of a great band. that's a subtle distinction (and there's nothing wrong with that!)

Yeah but it he a lot cooler if she was a skilled drummer. But she’s ight so that’s cool I guess

@@turkeyleg201 I think her drumming serves the songs pretty well. idk but perhaps a more complex drumming would require more complex arrangements, with bass, more guitars etc or maybe it wouldn't. all of Jack's could've been White Stripes songs, all of his guitar parts have the simplistic/minimalistic approach but the production make them sound different. The White Stripes is my favorite project of his, and Meg's drumming definitely has something to do with it!

pedro tavares considering that Jack White has access to better drummers and he hasn't made music that was as good as the White Strips, proves that Meg is a great drummer because she brought the best out of Jack. Now just's solo stuff is just Jack Shite.

Well Ringo IS a mediocre drummer but he was reliable and had perfect timing and that was what they needed: not the very best. It’s ok.

@@jamescarter3196 Far from mediocre. Don't confuse speed with skill. Most of the great drummers out there disagree with you as well.

As the saying goes "ringo isn't even the best drummers in the beatles" as the members said in interviews, but that doesn't stop him from being one of the best in history, drumming isn't about the complexity or speed, it's about how you hold the whole band together while pulling everyone along and allowing them to feel the rythmn in a song

in a society that idealizes individual prowess, it's very common for supportive work to be undervalued. rhythm section players who stick to the part (which runs so deep in traditional music the world over) are often criminally underrated by people who expect technical wizardry as a standard for competence... and it extends to film with supporting actors getting little recognition, the continuing degradation of stay-home parents, and just generally downplaying anyone and everything in reverse correlation with their proximity to the spotlight...

@@Mystic_Apollo And if you look at all the great drummers out there, how many of them have as many (hugely popular) songs where you can just hear the drums and know what it is even if you weren't told who the band was? And I don't mean just some short catchy riff bit, but the just the song being played. Ringo has quite a few. That's one of the things that makes drummers with far better technical chops respect him.

@@pawnhearts8785 Later: In defense of Fred Durst... ok maybe not but honestly Limp Bizkit can have some pretty good instrumentals, Fred's voice just ruins it

If Meg was actually a bad drummer she wouldn’t be able to even keep a steady beat. The people who stigmatize simplicity in music must only be aware of the Dream Theater school of instrumental masturbation.

@@Vitorio582 I relistened to Nookie the other day and was kind of impressed by the jazz guitar technique I never noticed as a kid.

@@killergoose7643 but she can't keep a steady beat. Just watch any live performance. Legit a key part of her "simple" style includes a tempo rollercoaster

@@dylyjay It sounds good to me

People talked a lot of shit about her at the time when the White Stiles were competing with nu-metal bands on the radio.

I confess I was one of those people. But really, how can you not make fun of her when she can't hold a tempo on the literally simplest rock beat ever?

I have seen endless people say she's a bad drummer. I don't listen to White Stripes but I'm guessing 95% of those calling her bad don't know jack shit about drumming (I don't either but that's why I don't comment on drummers).

@@chopsuey-- except she can hold a beat. She has incredible rhyme, especially in the way she has to work with Jack.

I'd love to hang around your crowd. Yours must be the most intelligent and artistic crowd in the world. The rest of us are surrounded by Meg-haters - the stupidest dumbshits ever. : (

Love this, so well said.

Agreed! His solo stuff is quite good (especially from a songwriter's perspective)... But it just. Isn't the White Stripes

Yeah I 100% agree. The white stripes have a simplicity that hits harder than any of Jacks other bands do. Meg kept Jack grounded and forced him to make more focused music. All of his stuff since then has been too overly complicated for my tastes. Jack is an incredible musician, but without meg i think he gets lost in the weeds.

Most regular people like simplicity, extremely complicated music is the artist trying to outdo themselves or flex on other musicians. Simpler melodies and drums hit harder with normies. That won't change. Technical musicians always have a niche following.

Honestly prefer him in stripes. He needs tight structure to fight against

Lovely ❤ I hope so, hope she is happy and healthy.

I saw the White Stripes in Boston on their last tour. Her drumming was amazing, and she also sang “In the Cold, Cold Night”.

Very good point, succinctly made 😂

Yeah but where did she disappear to??

@@Star-he5bj Who cares? Apart from creepy stalkers...

Technically a bank account can’t be full,it’s totally open ended so there is no point at which the account is at a level at which it can’t be added to. A bank account can be massive,or stacked, or even loaded. But....it can’t be full. It’s a limitless thing unlike a box or can that has finite room.

@@rapman5363 don’t be a douche. You know what I’m trying or say.

I've never understood the allure of any of his music. His voice is...weird, I guess you might say, and the lyrics are just gibberish half the time. Still, I've heard worse.

@@TH3F4LC0Nx I think that may rather be the point lmao

Same I only like the White Stripes

Interesting. I’m a HUGE JW fan - love the Stripes, solo work, Racs, Dead Weather...all of it.

White Stripes were more punk rock/blues. Jack White in his solo career seems to be going for more of a country angle. But he's not really the stereotypical country singer.

I remember watching that set live on the BBC. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen, and I wasn't even there.

Before Jack had a decade to make a mountain of less interesting music after the end of the White Stripes, some speculated about what he would be capable of without her "primitivism."

I didn't really know much of them back then (I was a kid/teen, through most of their career) but since I've been looking into music and bands she's almost always mentioned in a positive light.

Lol, I don’t love everything jack does either but his newer stuff is only “less interesting” to people whose don’t know shit about music and have an emotional connection to his less-sophisticated work. It’s fine to enjoy simplicity but it sure isn’t your place to make silly assertions about music you’re clueless about.

@@jamescarter3196 That's a pretty condescending reply, stranger.

​@@jamescarter3196 Jack White's Meg-less music definitely sucks way more than his Meg-filled music.

well said

You should probably check out "It might get loud" documentary, mate.

@@jasonsea6110 I assume that falls under "every White Stripes show available online"

No, I don’t think The Who would sound the same with Meg. 😄

Totally agree- i never really appreciated charlie watts until i saw the stones live last summer. there is so much going on with mick and keith it kinda makes sense his low key style.

Exactly! Slash is a great guitarist, but you wouldn’t put him in Death cab For Cutie. Different people work with different styles.

yeah but put keith moon in the white stripes and tell him to hit quarter notes all day and he could do it, he would just be bored

The Who did have different drummers and we're different. Personally I've always thought Moon beens overrated,his fills too busy. Kenny Jones was good but didn't have that explosive power of Moon. After the reunion tours started they had some passable sidemen . The best was when they had Ringo's son behind the kit, he was the better than Moon and the whole lot .

She’s good. But she’s not the brilliant minimalist that is: Jamie Cook from Arctic Monkeys

Good thing she didn't have to play like Neil Peart, because she can't.

bored312 so what she couldn’t drum like Neil Peart, many can’t, it’s not something to be ashamed of, cos Neil Peart was a very good drummer, a drummer doesn’t have to be highly skilled or super technical, tho if you can do something and you can do it well, go with, Meg had her own style and she clearly wasn’t trying to be Neil Peart

@@bored312 neither could ringo starr, and he was key of the greatest band of all time. technical talent =/= good music

I wasn't trying to offend in saying Meg can't play like Neil Peart. This comment made it seem like it was an artistic choice she made, to not play as well as Neil Peart.

Well, not really. It kind of gave him a showbizzy name.

Bryan Cordova shutup

@@MrDirtclodfight What? He's not wrong. The Gillis Stripes doesn't have the same ring to it.

@@saintelsewhere6513 Don't make me r/woosh you, my guy.

@@emigrant1510 I'm guessing if he had married someone without a show biz name, he would've come up with another band name, you know? 😉

brilliant synthesis Matteo.

@@henrydorsett6076 thanks man. Glad you liked it and agreed with me :)

Saying Meg is bad is like saying Jack played a sour note. Dumfuk judgmental perfectionists are boring and so pre Covid. Hey guys YOU AND YOUR RULES ARE IRRELEVANT. and so is your playing. Please quit and get out of the way. You're cluttering the bandwidth of our souls..

Nice post. Moe Tucker's contribution to the VU sound is as great as Meg's to the WS sound. Amazingly primal percussionists who DRIVE the music forward. Now I feel like playing Playin' Possum.

Why do you say Meg is a punk drummer? Otherwise I agreed with everything else you say.

Agreed.

Same

Death letter live

She's a woman. There's not enough well-known female drummers to begin with and she's not as technically skilled. She's an easy target for certain people.

​@@Aster_Risk As much as I hate it, that certainly plays a big role. It's less common these days, but women in bands have always tended to be criticized more than men. Here's hoping listeners can move passed that in the future and just base their opinions on how the music itself sounds.

I enjoyed it as well. I hope Polyphonic will sell some of the art and design he did for this video. I especially loved the different styles of Meg all lined up together.

Haha, I followed you on that haha

I hope you do learn some White Stripes songs someday! (Now is the perfect time if your only excuse has been not having time to get around to it)

Do it, anyone can learn an instrument and it's never too late, if it's something you wanna try, give it a try

@@TundraMouse dependin how lazy yarr 😏😉

So, go for it. Nothing to lose, and music's meant to be fun.

Same! I started lessons because of her too! I taught myself every one of my favourite songs and played them way too loud (oh my poor family)

If you want underrated and restrained. Check out Jaime Cook from Arctic Monkeys

Pawn Hearts are you kidding me? My brother showed me fluorescent adolescent when I was in 2nd grade and it blew my mind

You're both crazy haha

Up there with Ringo, Keith Moon, John Bonham, Neil Peart, Lars Ulrich, Dave Grohl, and Phil Collins. She's that good.

@@liammcnicholas918 she's really not but ok

Ha!!! Yes! I just wrote a comment saying the same thing! Then I saw your comment - hell yes, brother! You 100% on the money!

@Random Hajile I don't know what Lenny Kravitz is doing these days but I saw him in the 90s in concert with an African-American female drummer and she stole the show! Beat the hell out of them drums and rocked (BURNT) the house down!!

Considering he took her name and the way jack talks about her, she influenced him in ways we’ll never know

@@jacktowers7533 👍🤭😄

very well put!!

Yes that's very often the case. How many so called "supergroups" full of well known musicians came and died slowly out because most of them sucked tremendously. Music is rarely about technical abilities. It's about emotions. For me it's way more important what you can achieve as a songwriter than as a musician per se. You can suck hard as a musician but if you write good songs I will probably still be able to enjoy your work. But if your songs are utter shit it doesn't matter to me if your the next Mozart. Your songs just suck even if they are performed in technical perfection.

This is exactly what I was going to comment. She fits the sound perfectly, as Ringo Starr did.

Just like how people call Jaime Cook a “bad guitarist” because he messes up a little and doesn’t do the solos like Alex

I get the analogy but Ringo is so much better than her it’s ridiculous. They are not actually comparable. Ringo had a phenomenal sense of time.

@xentakis Ringo makes most modern metronomes sound sloppy. That’s how good he was. Human metronome indeed

But did she write a song about an octopus?

I think being a prog fan makes you more open-minded. My husband listens to prog, noise, math rock, and loves Meg (and a ton of all female or female fronted bands). He's also a drummer himself.

*off-white

semiotics innit..kinda..neuro ocular resonance on them cones...errr 🤪

@@really.not.important no

Blue and pink at 1:39

Even the youtube bars are red and white

It’s clear she could care less based on her drumming.

Exactly. She's the straight man of the comedy duo.

Sounds like an actual couple lol

You know, when rock purists worship Bonham and deride Meg White, I don’t understand it. His technical chops, at least as demonstrated through their music, were better than hers, but not by much, and his strength always came from his power and groove, which Meg White has in spades.

Have you heard the song “Meg White” by Ray LaMontagne? If not, you’d probably enjoy it :)

@@goji7273 but not by much? Man, any live rendition of Moby Dick is enough proof of it and if Meg had power and groove in spades, Bonham had it in nuclear levels.

Emi Grant Yeah, that’s fair. I guess a more accurate statement would have been that, on most Zeppelin songs, the technical proficiency wasn’t what shone or what people still worship to this day.

@@goji7273 That I can agree with.

I think you are seriously overthinking it. I'm pretty sure she just has bad timing.

@@graysonherbert4604 That's not what he means. Yes, her timing isn't solid. It doesn't matter. I've played drums for over 30 years and she would choose beat placements that "proper drummers" would never even think to. It wasn't a timing issue. She'd just throw a bass drum beat or snare hit in where you would never expect it. And it sounded amazing. It doesn't matter if she was "trying" to do it or not. She did it. And it's totally unique.

@@doublestrokeroll No, I understand what he means. I just don't think it's true. There is a such thing as breaking rules artistically, but I don't see any sign that Meg even knows the rules. From my perspective, Meg makes a lot of mistakes because she isn't a good drummer then fans of the band try to read creative genius into it. I have listened to some of their music and I generally enjoy it. I'm not just hating on them, but you can make good music even you aren't a good drummer. I think the primary fallacy that people have is that they make good music, thus Meg must actually be a good drummer. That isn't necessarily true though. You can have a member in your band that isn't good at their instrument, but make good music anyway, and I think The White Stripes is a great example of that.

@@graysonherbert4604 Again though, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that she isn't a technically proficient drummer. I don't think anyone, including the original poster her is suggesting she's a genius "creatively". Simply that she makes choices that are not common but still work. Whether she does that consciously or not doesn't matter. As a drummer of 30+ years, I know what she's doing even if she couldn't explain it, and it's totally interesting in my opinion. And it makes her "good" because creativity is as much a part of music as technique. Of course this is all subjective anyway. Even technique. I can show you technically amazing drummers that I think are boring and uninteresting because musically they've done nothing that I like.

@@doublestrokeroll It sounds like we generally agree on the fundamentals, we just interpret her playing differently. I do however 100% agree on the technical skill. I have watched some death metal drummers, and it is crazy impressive, but it's really rhythmically boring. I listen to prog metal because I love hearing the weird rhythms and creative rule breaking. I think the difference I see between the unusual rhythms in prog metal and Meg is that in prog it is intentional, while Meg's seems accidental to me. I think that makes a difference, but it may not for everyone.

Who does?

He's the most overrated musician of all time, and that's coming from a drummer, he is amazing but I'm so sick of hearing he's the best, it's all subjective but my god I hate neil peart. It's like when people say Hendrix is the best guitarist of all time. It just isn't true. Maybe it is for the people who say it but these people tend to not respect other peoples opinions. So if you think he's the best, then he is, to you. And fair play to you for that. I'm just tired of hearing it because to me, he's not even worth listening to because his band fucking sucks

@@TundraMouse Sounds to me like you just don't like Rush, which is fair. That said, you only need to listen to one of their songs to appreciate their technicality and musicianship that has garnered them such status. To not be aware of it at the very least does come off as ignorant to a degree.

@@TundraMouse This is exactly why it's not entirely fair to think Meg sucks. We're all trying to get something different from music. Neil is just not your guy. I'm not a fan either despite recognizing his technical abilities.

That's the most beautiful metaphor I've ever read

I've found there's a Simpsons metaphor for almost everything.

Omg I love this lol