In studio with George Massenburg - Ep. 1 : miking the drums

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Masterclass with the famous George Massenburg about drums miking.
En studio avec George Massenburg - Episode 1 : la prise de son de la batterie
George Massenburg nous explique la façon dont il envisage la prise de son de la batterie, de la théorie à la pratique. -
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@adamcoe 10 ай бұрын

holy SHIT the part about the overheads made so much sense. for years i've set them up more or less visually, thinking as long as it's vaguely the same left to right, this sort of thing. following his method of a) keeping the mics equidistant from the center of the snare (which usually leads to one mic being lower than the other, which seems like the wrong thing, but absolutely is not) and b) attempting as best you can to arrange those overheads on a perpendicular line relative to the kick/snare axis is mind blowing. i'm doing a session this week and i don't want to oversell it but it has absolutely changed the way i'll set up overheads going forward.

@SpiderBite777 5 жыл бұрын

That was literally the BEST video I’ve ever seen on micing a drum set

@SoBeit777 3 ай бұрын

same here. in less than 10 mins even.

@branjimusic4048 6 жыл бұрын

Those Earth, Wind and Fire Drums are legendary. Never the same after Mr Massenburg.

@sartoriusrock 8 жыл бұрын

1:40 Yes you can, George. Yes you can.

@konradatprofile 8 жыл бұрын

wow. love the idea of the ribbon position on the snare. eliminates the need for top and bottom mic. really cool

@KayMuller 11 жыл бұрын

The EQ man of men doing his best to not filter. He loves to hear a music performance not gear. And the ribbon is just way to cool. Massenburg is one of the guys that I scower the net to find. With a hand full a short list .

@willfosterhaze 8 жыл бұрын

He's like the Bob Ross of drum miking

@nogoogleplus 12 жыл бұрын

Golden words from an audio genius!!!

@rgscherbak 7 ай бұрын

Wow, I reached the same conclusions about overhead positioning by experience. For me, people that set the perspective of the drum kit from the front of the bass drum are just hearing with their eyes and usually get a phasey image of the snare, that shifts to one side of the stereo image after the initial attack captured by the close moc. Thanks for this reassurement.

@ArtsLaureate 12 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing. Looking forward to Episode 2.

@79dakster 11 жыл бұрын

Really enjoying this!

@gonzomuse 12 жыл бұрын

More please. ? Great video, GM is a ledg and it's amazing to hear him talk about placement and the thought that goes into it. Audio examples would be amazing. Thanks uploader!

@Messerschmitt07 5 жыл бұрын

Fantastica lezione. Grazie!

@MisterSilverGroover 12 жыл бұрын

Très intéressante & enrichissante vidéo : merci Audio Fanzine !!! :)

@davidcurtis4478 8 жыл бұрын

Nice drum grooves, drums in all sound great! I love passionate people!! David Curtis Drumming

@seungwoohan4258 6 жыл бұрын

The amazing Massenburg

@theDrumkilla 12 жыл бұрын

George said "fucking"!!!!! He's definitely the man!

@selfinflcted09 12 жыл бұрын

1:40 just made me love him more. lol!!!

@keefrichards5557 9 жыл бұрын

George knows his stuff

@freelance_commie 8 жыл бұрын

I CAN say fuck..oh okay...love it

@theunionbeats1 7 жыл бұрын

george youre a genius!

@Fos3tex 5 жыл бұрын

Annnnnnnd you didn't let us hear how it sounded.

@ChrisreggaekeyboardTv 11 жыл бұрын

bon groupe 1 love

@jonmattox 12 жыл бұрын

Great video

@AUdioHipster 12 жыл бұрын

Common cents... bright man... like tailing to Karl Diehl about how electronics deals with sound... mind automating ... Thanks Doyen

@CreatorCreepy 4 жыл бұрын

fantastic

@2PlayGuitarNow 12 жыл бұрын

cool players!! when the musicians are good, it makes it so much easier for the sound tech.

@dhampex 10 жыл бұрын

The great massenburg!

@Gorangrooves 12 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@DJDMass 12 жыл бұрын

finally someone else who knows how to mic overheads!!!! wait... it is George Massenburg... no surprise...

@TiqueO6 2 жыл бұрын

it's not only phase "cancellation", it's also phase summing so basically 'comb-filtering' so some frequencies are up to 2x louder than normal and others down to silent depending on phase interactions. Maybe we could call it phase-colorations.

@lilastudio.music.factory 12 жыл бұрын

thanks

@AudioWonderland 6 жыл бұрын

9 mics ( not counting ny room mics we can't see.) on 3 drums is considered minimal micing?

@sws2h 12 жыл бұрын

Do you a list of the microphones used? Figured most out, but unsure what he used on the rack tom and high hat. Thanks! Cool video.

@jeffbridges6110 6 жыл бұрын

LoL. You CAN say fuck. I don't mind. Great video. Very informative. I'm micing a drum set in a 10x12 shed , dry-walled with comforters covering the walls and ceiling. Having a heck of a time with my 2 over heads....

@junejhunkie 12 жыл бұрын

bravi

@Studio201 12 жыл бұрын

You can put on as many microphones as you'd like, but if you turn them all on in the mix you're gonna have a bad time. I often put on a lot of mics for choice, but I leave many/most of them muted in the end.

@suatrilha 12 жыл бұрын

Nice Sanken CO-100K Mics.

@MattsterFelix 11 жыл бұрын

1:37 SO TRUE LOL

@bigunit5932 8 жыл бұрын

If I could not get a great drum sound with 15 to 20 k worth of mics then I would give up!!What about getting a sound with mics in the normal range like 2 to 3 hundred?

@jamesmeeker6933 6 жыл бұрын

Placement is critical. It is easy to make pricey mics sound bad.... interns do it all the time.

@ethanfrantz790 6 жыл бұрын

get a pair of Beyerdynamic M201's, some SM57's and maybe a Beta 52. A bit more expensive than 300 but if you looked for used stuff it wouldn't be so bad. You can get a great sound with that provided you have a good room and nice sounding drums. I'm currently working on my own album and things changed over time, but for the most part I used Beta 52 on the kick, 421's on snare and toms, 57 on snare bottom, a crush mic, and then M201's and U89's as overheads in the position George talks about. I find that for the sound I was after the M201's sounded much more natural and full than the Neumanns. They're about like 10% the price too. Money isn't everything, but you do need to invest if you want great recordings!

@donpakka 4 жыл бұрын

I routinely use 4 mics on drums since watching this video. None of them are over 500.00. Using this technique you can get a great sound even if you choose not to close mic anything but the kick and snare.

@breakfastsex 11 жыл бұрын

what's the intro song? i love a good ska song! and what's the name of this band?

@breakfastsex 6 жыл бұрын

what is the song in the intro?!

@darrenguitar 12 жыл бұрын

less mics = less spill aswell

@andrewarbogast1 8 жыл бұрын

Is there a specific spot that the overheads are pointing to?

@donpakka 4 жыл бұрын

You've got to use your ears. You create an imaginary line running diagonally through the top head of the snare and the beater head of the kick. That's where you start. Then you move them forward or backward, to bring out more or less of different elements. You can also raise or lower either side and narrow/widen them. As long as they are equidistant to that diagonal axis, you get a great drum sound.

@Frank55 6 жыл бұрын

Now what do we know that we didn't know when we started watching this video?

@dBuBeatz 10 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know which mics he uses for overheads?

@buddyvannieuwenhoven9274 10 жыл бұрын

Sanken CO-100k's.

@Mic1904 12 жыл бұрын

@deadbirdsings For better or for worse, by today's recording standards, I would very much count seven mics on a drum kit as being "fewer" than average. Besides, this is George Massenburg. He's done enough for the audio world that he could get away with being self-indulgent if he wanted, and probably no one would really mind.

@offthewallstudio 11 жыл бұрын

3-7mics r good...

@theGuitarik 11 жыл бұрын

Using less mics makes for better phase? like using no mics and going with a drum machine, lol!?

@jeremymorrissy9144 10 жыл бұрын

This guy is fuckin hilarious

@stillphil 12 жыл бұрын

3:54 - 4:08 =)

@JustinColletti 10 жыл бұрын

As much as I respect George, he comes across as a little arrogant here for my tastes. I can't help but roll my eyes a little: "Right. All the engineers who prefer a more traditional overhead spacing 'have no f*ing clue.' Thanks George. Please tell us about it. While completely missing any of the tradeoffs inherent in this position. :D" Each approach has its own tradeoffs. I've used this one many times, but still prefer centering the kick in the overheads on many occasions. To each their own!

@easyguitare 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Justin, i do understand your point regarding arrogance. And i know that him and Al Schmitt are friends so i fowarded that video to Al. He just anwsered he does not do such things but, that does not mean GM would be wrong about that OH positionning. I think we have to take what he says without forgetting it was mostly under the mood of that particular day. This was make for a french website were lots of amateurs are connected to. Pro's too but my guessings mostly are that video was made for beginners there. I know this website a lot because i am french and had my moments back in the days where i was posting a lot on it. We have to admit that as a beginer we first make lots of misstakes and obviously, GM is a very passionate guy that also loves teaching. And if you want to know the truth i mostly laughed when i heard him say what he said.

@HandsUpDK 10 жыл бұрын

I have never heard anyone explaining something so complicated/weird. He is talking in east and west, and in the end talking about how there are no rules, yet dissing the engineers placing overhead mics in a certain position.

@donpakka 4 жыл бұрын

I would say that's on you. I found it very easy to understand. Having struggled with whether to center the OH on the snare (as most do) or on the kick, for years, I tried this and haven't looked back. It pulls everything together so much better than all the work-arounds (like high-passing the OH at 150). I've been using less mics and getting more detail as a result. The first time I tried this I just used a stereo mic (Rode NT4) and was blown away. The second time I used a pair of 414s and played around with the positions. George is absolutely correct. WTF have all these engineers with tier OH over the cymbals or XY measured to the snare been hearing? I also tried the ribbon on the snare, and have been using that ever since. It works great even in live situations. I also tried a figure 8 condenser. It can work on the right drum.

@RustyIronloins 12 жыл бұрын

@deadbirdsings 7 mics is very few by most standards today... I often deal with 24-30 mics on a standard size kit... of course, most aren't that great and their signal is discarded. But the overall sound suffers because the recording engineer relied on too many mics instead of trying to get a great sound from just a few--a few meaning approximately 7.

@morbidmanmusic 2 жыл бұрын

Work harder with fewer mics.. it's that simple. More is less on drums. Unless you have 8 tom mics, and do top and bottoms... yuck.

@eimidioskouroi 5 жыл бұрын

Damnit! Which one of you upset George?

@breakfastsex 11 жыл бұрын

the more mics you have, you'll get alot of phase cancellation, 7 mics isn't alot. i record with at least 16 mics

@morbidmanmusic 2 жыл бұрын

And I'm sure you get lots of cancelations. ...

@TiqueO6 2 жыл бұрын

it's not only phase cancellation, it's also phase summing so basically 'comb-filtering' so some sounds are up to 2x louder than normal and others down to silent depending on phase interactions. Maybe we could call it phase-colorations.

@junejhunkie 12 жыл бұрын

i meant bravo' lol

@BobMitchellMusic 12 жыл бұрын

Yeah! that's all well for the adult but I had to stop the vid, my 3 year old was sitting on my lap watching with as much interest as I was. I'll pick this video up later I guess. :-)

@henrymoss5272 6 жыл бұрын

Well at least she's ahead of the curve.

@RustyIronloins 11 жыл бұрын

It is outrageous... honestly, I don't like it and I wish it were different... that just seems to be the way things go with a lot of tracking engineers these days--they aren't skilled enough to be able to place mics well, so they just place a mic everywhere... and when I get the tracks for the mix, it's chaos. Also, there is inevitably too much hhat in every mic and phase incoherence between every mic... George knows best. I wish the ppl I worked with had the skill to do what he does.