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National Director of Zimbabwe Peace Project ,Jestina Mukoko, In Conversation with Trevor

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In Conversation with Trevor

In Conversation with Trevor

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In this episode, Trevor sits down with Jestina Mukoko, National Director of the Zimbabwe Peace Project. They discuss her torture, the police's involvement in abductions and torture of certain members of society and many more.
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@MrArthurbanks
@MrArthurbanks 3 жыл бұрын
Bless you Mama Mukoko and Taku, my brother. It’s so unimaginable what you went through as a family. Not all heroes wear a cape!
@Pfumoreropa
@Pfumoreropa 3 жыл бұрын
Trevor is such a great listener and an amazing conversationalist. Thank you Jestina for sharing your story. This regime is evil
@tapiwanashejames8468
@tapiwanashejames8468 3 жыл бұрын
@Trevor Ncube, you are documenting conversations that will forever reflect the Zimbabwe that many people seem to omit. Thank you very much for such work. Jestina remains a strong woman.
@winnetymunemo53
@winnetymunemo53 3 жыл бұрын
L love
@charleschimbindi5675
@charleschimbindi5675 Жыл бұрын
A wonderfully courageous woman.Jestina, keep inspiring people especially the youths.
@AfroWisdomVault
@AfroWisdomVault 3 жыл бұрын
I idolized her from a young age..., I remember saying when I grow up I want to be Jestina Mukoko back then she was the news anchor on ZBC. I wish to meet my idol in person some day
@nickposh2557
@nickposh2557 2 жыл бұрын
I lost my wife,my brother, brother in law and numerous other close relations due to the regime's heavy handedness, what Jestina went through is heart rending. Why I watched it through defies logic,I shed tears of undescribable pain,tears of retrospection.
@nikuvriggington911
@nikuvriggington911 Жыл бұрын
If that happened to me, I wouldn't be alive today - asi ndainge ndisingafe ndega, pamwe Zimbabwe ingatodai yakasununguka right now.
@sifisosithole7656
@sifisosithole7656 Жыл бұрын
ZANU PF is full of people who cannot differentiate between an animal and a human being. Once we have a new and people-oriented, we will sll need to be assisted to re-adjust. Thank God you are still alive. You are a very very strong woman. Thank you very much Trevor for your gentleness. I believe that conversation is therapeutic. Zvinochemedza 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭.
@ronitad2123
@ronitad2123 11 ай бұрын
⁠@@sifisosithole7656why do Zimbabweans celebrate ZPF? Is this normal?
@tonderaimurwira7351
@tonderaimurwira7351 9 ай бұрын
May you find healing from a higher power
@stephenmanjoro1104
@stephenmanjoro1104 3 жыл бұрын
Great work Trevor. Jestina's story is inspirational towards a strong will to survive the brutal dictatorship in Zimbabwe...
@tonderaigwarega3129
@tonderaigwarega3129 3 жыл бұрын
She is inspiration to me and fellow young Zimbabweans ... God bless her and may she continue doing great work for Zimbabwe Bringing in change
@marg86
@marg86 3 жыл бұрын
This conversation though 😭😭 I am in awe of this woman. On another note, Trevor please put these on podcast.
@rosenyamhukutu2680
@rosenyamhukutu2680 3 жыл бұрын
Qqqààà
@lovenessmukumbuzi6880
@lovenessmukumbuzi6880 3 жыл бұрын
What an inspirational woman. You are a shining example of a strong woman Jessie! You refused to be broken. Instead you rose like a phoenix!
@lovenessmasere7483
@lovenessmasere7483 Жыл бұрын
Mrs Mukumbuzi my teacher
@shirleygeza5677
@shirleygeza5677 3 жыл бұрын
Growing up at Lobengula west. I watched the news just to marvel at your beauty. You God' child and the chosen one. Thank you for the work you do.May God bless you abundantly 👏👏👏
@zakaroyalty62
@zakaroyalty62 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jestina for putting forward a cogent, well put & very persuasive case. Trevor, you’re such a celebrated & accomplished interviewer 👏🏾! The torturous ordeal you endured was so dehumanising, totally deplorable & anything so abhorrent, unacceptable & shouldn’t be allowed to happen in any sane society!
@0bertmatiyenga329
@0bertmatiyenga329 3 жыл бұрын
The allegory of the 'Elephant Tree ' has taught me something today. Thanks so much . May you continue to heal. I also applaud you for the honest, motherly assessment of the impact of all this had on your son. Hats off to you.
@SharonLindelwa104
@SharonLindelwa104 3 жыл бұрын
This conversation brought a realization of how lucky some of us are, born free. However, we need to soldier on and fight the battles of the day. Fight against corruption that is weighing down our economy
@fidelisfugeti2348
@fidelisfugeti2348 3 жыл бұрын
i don't think we are lucky , considering that Jestina was tortured in 2008 (independence was achieved in 1980) and the system that tormented her is still operating to this present day. We are still faced with the same realities that she faced eg the Joana Mamombe scenario.
@mucharuzamukoni1652
@mucharuzamukoni1652 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like crying, so painful, you are such a strong woman.
@mukundutsitsi8126
@mukundutsitsi8126 3 жыл бұрын
The strength, the resilience, determination and big heart exuded by Jestina ummmm powerful!!!lrespect you woman!!!!
@Naphirispeshari
@Naphirispeshari 3 жыл бұрын
The brutality that she went through exudes a strong woman.. A powerful woman. She went through the deep and came out even stronger. God bless her.
@jmukba
@jmukba 3 жыл бұрын
Jestina Mukoko a legend in the newsroom and what a resilient individual I’m humbled but God is faithful and nothing is impossible it is well whatever is meant for you will prevail nobody can deem your light 💡 sis Welldone for all you are doing 👏🙏❤️😇
@vanzskies89
@vanzskies89 3 жыл бұрын
I have always liked this lady, Jestina we love you, an inspiration and please stay strong. God bless you.
@paulinejackson7562
@paulinejackson7562 3 жыл бұрын
Painful experience. My Form 1 history teacher at Matinunura High. Can't help tears trickling down my cheeks. I love you more
@phathisanincube3185
@phathisanincube3185 3 жыл бұрын
A force to be reckoned with, you are an amazing woman . You are an inspiration to many.
@chipo5942
@chipo5942 3 жыл бұрын
Her excellency JM just resurrected SUPERP QUALITY in Zim. Tried to break you, but instead you broke through, undeniable genius!👩‍🎓 Hero...is an understatement! Trevor keep it up!
@dubejulius1801
@dubejulius1801 3 жыл бұрын
Trevor thanks to bring this wonderful woman. She is strong she is likeJoice mujuru powerful heart vision about our country let keep on praying God never forsake his people let remember children of Israel
@TendaSithole
@TendaSithole 3 жыл бұрын
I believe stalwarts like this fine lady allow the African story to be one of nobility and resilience rather than the victimhood narrative that is dictated to us. She stands purposefully as a giant in the face of the evil that prevails in our day. To God be the glory.
@invalidcode21
@invalidcode21 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the interview Trevor, inspired by Jestina since I was a little girl when she read the news
@crlynchazita1185
@crlynchazita1185 3 жыл бұрын
I’m in tears watching this You are a strong woman & I would love to meet you one day & tell you how much of an inspiration you are to many of us 🙏🏾
@kaie7308
@kaie7308 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this interview, it made realize that most of us bury our heads and try to simply try to survive or escape the situation in our country without lifting a finger to change the situation, hence we have become accustomed to injustice, intimidation and corruption. Thank you for being the woman that you are!!!
@happinessmsonza5254
@happinessmsonza5254 2 жыл бұрын
Zimvabwe is full of shit nxa
@rudodorahchipendo8087
@rudodorahchipendo8087 3 жыл бұрын
Truly what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, I'm touched by your experiences dear. Your resilience is inspiring & we thank God who made it possible for you to tell the story yourself. Love you Jestina.
@elvismudzengerere2093
@elvismudzengerere2093 7 ай бұрын
As a kid watching the news in the 90s, i loved Jestina Mukoko and i thought she was the most beautiful woman in Zim. I admire her courage and resilience
@ish1330
@ish1330 3 жыл бұрын
l would imagine they did more to her, she is probably minimizing things what happens for her dignity. This regime is heartless for sure.
@tutsiraimwanaka780
@tutsiraimwanaka780 2 жыл бұрын
Just bought the book. Cant wait to read it. This brand of Zimbabweans is long gone. What an interview. Kudos to both of you
@nyashamugumbate9973
@nyashamugumbate9973 3 жыл бұрын
If so many women in Top positions in our country were like you ...We would be somewhere ...You stand for the Truth
@innocentmadanhire2391
@innocentmadanhire2391 3 жыл бұрын
Jestina's story is painful but with its own beauty at its end, Trevor thanks for bringing a balance in your Conversations. You bring folks from different walk of life. I am waiting for a time when your show grow to have different topics from social, economic/finance, edu, youths... Good luck
@innocentmadanhire2391
@innocentmadanhire2391 3 жыл бұрын
Trevor, this story made me cry ..... what a painful experience! who are those "animals" who torture people like that?
@brendonmartin9737
@brendonmartin9737 3 жыл бұрын
Apparently there’s no gross human rights abuse in Zimbabwe also citizens fake their abductions , that’s the answer from the ruling government. Listening to Jestina Mukoko ordeal makes one to stop to breath ,what about the unreported world of the people of Zimbabwe , very sad indeed
@innocentmadanhire2391
@innocentmadanhire2391 3 жыл бұрын
@@brendonmartin9737 you are correct, it is us the youths who should re-write the story , sad stories which define our nation.
@brendonmartin9737
@brendonmartin9737 3 жыл бұрын
@@innocentmadanhire2391 I have just watched on bbc world demolitions happening in the city of Harare similar to the old clean up the trash from the Robert Mugabe era. This is the so called new dispensation that is still operating like Mr Mugabe even worse than him. As much Mugabe was cruel he was a little bit civilised in his thinking.
@innocentmadanhire2391
@innocentmadanhire2391 3 жыл бұрын
@@brendonmartin9737 it's sad that repression is being as a tool to find political mileage and the Corona virus as the shield where the "killers" are hiding. it is sad that fellow countrymen are after weak compatriots. Thank you for having a look on how an average Zimbabwean is living-Torture!
@ronitad2123
@ronitad2123 11 ай бұрын
@@brendonmartin9737that’s a gvmt that has a record of having staged a genocide & didn’t admit they had done so. The whole world knew - ZPF doesn’t give a damn. What’s shocking me is why do Zbweans allow this to happen? Why do they celebrate, dance around & ululate for ZPF? Is that normal? Why ignore this inhumanity 😉
@dephine8815
@dephine8815 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful Jestina.I remember when she used to be a newsreader at ZBC. Long live Jestina.may those who tormented you rot in helltogether with their families
@sirrramones3472
@sirrramones3472 3 жыл бұрын
You are already in, what has their families have to do with this?
@hermisphasha5404
@hermisphasha5404 Жыл бұрын
Most cases such people they terroriser their own families, let the evil doers face the almighty ,I might say
@pearl5565
@pearl5565 3 жыл бұрын
This is so painful , sis Jessie. I pray that God the Holy Spirit comforts you. I really do.
@tawandamataka133
@tawandamataka133 3 жыл бұрын
This is painful. I salute you Jestina and Trevor. The struggle will continue until they fall. You give us the courage to soldier on in our smaller ways. These looters have no mercy. You have written history. Those who tortured you shall know no peace. God will punish them. We owe you for the courage and the never tiring spirit.
@tineyishoko2343
@tineyishoko2343 3 жыл бұрын
You are a strong woman Jestina. One day justice will be served.
@sisahncube
@sisahncube 3 жыл бұрын
Wow wow what a strong woman she is, she went through the furnace and came out stronger 💪 thank you Trevor for that inspiring interview.
@felixmukapa9927
@felixmukapa9927 3 жыл бұрын
A true fighter Jestina you went thru hell on Earth my sister ,but eish your strength is an envy for many,to Trevor thank you for bringing a powerful voice on this lovely show kip it up my brither
@user-oj6sq9pq5r
@user-oj6sq9pq5r 4 ай бұрын
Thank you Lord Jesus for blessing Zimbabwe with courageous women like Mai Jestina Mukoko and many others who have stood for truth and refusing to be silenced
@lawrencemotsi4882
@lawrencemotsi4882 3 жыл бұрын
we were together at Fletcher 1987-88
@normanmunyedza2105
@normanmunyedza2105 3 жыл бұрын
To continue supporting a regime which inflicts such treatment on its citizens is being complicit.
@sheltonmapfumo5537
@sheltonmapfumo5537 3 жыл бұрын
No wonder our problems as a country are worse, evils done by some people in gvt are a curse
@Lsibongan
@Lsibongan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes you are right bro
@prudencempofu8933
@prudencempofu8933 3 жыл бұрын
My mind goes to thousands of families who were tortured during Gukurahundi and were traumatized for years… they were not lucky to get therapy or anything like that.. yaaa okuyi zanu lokhe kubusa
@passmorematizha5097
@passmorematizha5097 3 жыл бұрын
What really drives some people to be so cruel This level of cruelty is just too much
@yeukaigandiwa70
@yeukaigandiwa70 3 жыл бұрын
Moving story imagine those heartless people are somebody's husband ,dad and a son ,after beating someone to death and you still have guts to go home and face your family shame on them those animals
@qiniselapossentindlovu4918
@qiniselapossentindlovu4918 Жыл бұрын
A painful story for a woman, mother and working female professional, all Zimbabwean female need to know how vulnerable they are under the present rule. an unfair experience to children of activists, the pain and trauma is not told by them; it is their parents who became heroes or heroines what about the pain they bear and what kind of people do they became years later? Will they not turn to be like people who tortured their mothers, if they are not followed. Jestina mukoko thank for the bravery to tell the story and the story of your son's pain and your mother's pain; you have told our story.
@rufarodeshe7179
@rufarodeshe7179 3 жыл бұрын
This made me cry. Thank you Jestina for being such an iron woman.
@rudonyabako2816
@rudonyabako2816 3 жыл бұрын
What a strong woman you are. One who doesn't give up despite your horrible experience. I am proud of you.
@chefpedro5311
@chefpedro5311 3 жыл бұрын
Mr Trevor . We want Jonathan moyo to cme for interview please
@netsayimisingarabwi8856
@netsayimisingarabwi8856 3 жыл бұрын
You are an inspiration to women Jestina. Very courageous indeed. You have a unique strong Fibre.
@dubejulius1801
@dubejulius1801 3 жыл бұрын
Am sorry again cause l have being painting all the shona speaking with the same brush since l started following Ami Mujuru and l realise most of them are not bad people lets unite and build our country and the future of our kids we have nice country
@Bthula
@Bthula 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much pain they inflicted on dzamara , Tonderai Ndira and others
@hermisphasha5404
@hermisphasha5404 Жыл бұрын
It's painful, to here those names , I think as Zimbabweans should do rememberance of all the people who perished under this regime
@gibsonmakamure9415
@gibsonmakamure9415 3 жыл бұрын
The cruelty by Zanu pf is unmatched. Some people are not human beings, they are beasts. Really the dehumanisation by Zanu pf is evil. This is really painful.
@cassandramayo8577
@cassandramayo8577 3 жыл бұрын
This interview made me really sad! Kudos to you Jestina for standing strong in Zimbabwe and telling your story!
@daddyteddy85
@daddyteddy85 3 жыл бұрын
Trevor you should have asked how she feels about Jonathan Moyo...That man ..If there is mercy from heaven he must NEVER receive any..he attacked her and defended her disapperance for months
@dadiraidera8185
@dadiraidera8185 3 жыл бұрын
thank you for everything what you did jestner it's all about god you're a fully herorian
@melissapenyai
@melissapenyai 3 жыл бұрын
This is a very painful story. Mama Jestina your resilience is an inspiration to us young women
@maritadee9233
@maritadee9233 3 жыл бұрын
This is sad to listen to. The gravel moment when you speak about ‘something leaving your body’ you were dissociating from reality to protect yourself as a coping mechanism. You are a strong woman.
@in-thegarden
@in-thegarden 3 жыл бұрын
Takudzwa is a son to be proud of, a true gentleman. God bless you and your beautiful mom.
@annamubaiwa1414
@annamubaiwa1414 3 жыл бұрын
Jestina Mukoko you are my Heroine. One day all this too will go away. Resist dictatorship and register to vote so that all this will not happen to your children
@shadreckhandsen819
@shadreckhandsen819 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I would like to thank you Trevor for this episode inini hangu ndadzidza zvakawanda from her story
@rojamillerover
@rojamillerover 3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, l was wondering where Jestina mukoko was or if she was still alive
@clivetendaupenyu1461
@clivetendaupenyu1461 3 жыл бұрын
What a painful story. Im speechless
@admirari1
@admirari1 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir for this interview,i can relate to all that she is saying.i was a victim of abduction on 2001......Zanu PF has a private force that deals with that.
@nickposh2557
@nickposh2557 2 жыл бұрын
I empathize with you,wherever you are
@donaldchetse4849
@donaldchetse4849 3 жыл бұрын
Trevor you are the best such a calm gentleman! Good interviews keep this up!
@trymoremutandwa8317
@trymoremutandwa8317 3 жыл бұрын
This Regime is very cruel, l can't imagine that they could treat a woman that way. SHAME ON ALL OF THEM
@christinenyabango793
@christinenyabango793 3 жыл бұрын
What a painful and heartbreaking experience.
@tw1g700
@tw1g700 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Trevor, great show
@74tawa
@74tawa 3 жыл бұрын
@Trevor Ncube you are bringing up inspiration to many.
@sophiamuzvidzwa3109
@sophiamuzvidzwa3109 3 жыл бұрын
May God heal u Jestina ,wat a strong woman .
@kudakwashebriankatsere9488
@kudakwashebriankatsere9488 3 жыл бұрын
She is just an inspiration to many. Zanu cabals have blood on their hands
@happinessmsonza5254
@happinessmsonza5254 2 жыл бұрын
God bless you sister Jestina
@AbsolomMukonyo
@AbsolomMukonyo 3 жыл бұрын
Trevor, this is emotional and very moving! It is deep
@rendanindou3593
@rendanindou3593 3 жыл бұрын
But he also need to watch his back the devil is still very much around.
@crisnakoma9176
@crisnakoma9176 3 жыл бұрын
May God continue to heal you and deal with all those involved in your abduction 💔💔
@ruvarashemhazo7590
@ruvarashemhazo7590 3 жыл бұрын
The first time l heard of Jestina Mukoko was during the Constitutional law lecture when we discussed the case of Mukoko v AG and the principle being discussed was infringement of rights,which is established in section 53 of the Constitution of Zimbabwe.What a brave woman who fought for her rights entrenched in the Constitution that seeks to protect Human rights.You are an inspiration ma'am,keep up the good work for standing your legal grounds.Viva Human rights defenders!✊
@ratidzotakawira6191
@ratidzotakawira6191 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, your grit is unmatched 🙌🏾🙌🏾 you’re truly an inspiration
@leviekwarambakwaramba7715
@leviekwarambakwaramba7715 3 жыл бұрын
God bless 🙏 you mama God made you unique for a reason a woman of courage
@morenmanhombori4800
@morenmanhombori4800 3 жыл бұрын
Shame one day all those people will answer for this on the final judgment before the Lord .sorry mama jestina mukoko for what you have gone through you're such a strong woman I salute you Mummy
@hermisphasha5404
@hermisphasha5404 Жыл бұрын
I hear you dear, but is there a final judgement for all of us fo really,
@harare767
@harare767 11 ай бұрын
Respect and Love to you Lady Jestina. You are a hero to many of us Zimbos.
@africa_golden
@africa_golden 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing woman
@pridegwandomba8020
@pridegwandomba8020 3 жыл бұрын
Mr Ncube you never disappoint !
@manashemusiq85
@manashemusiq85 3 жыл бұрын
This is so saddening. You are a great woman Jestina. I'm Inspired
@tomnyathigratty2426
@tomnyathigratty2426 3 жыл бұрын
I will try her as a minister in the Chamisa gvt Zim will benefit a lot from her experience especially in the media industry
@pilatedube5619
@pilatedube5619 3 жыл бұрын
This is indeed painful and inspirational.l would love to meet this lady,the heroine of brutality.I m so much inspired and uplifted.l feel like crying but at the same time l am encouraged.Jestina Mukoko is a true heroine..
@MELO-ij8wy
@MELO-ij8wy 3 жыл бұрын
I just hate being a Zimbabwean. I'm sorry to say so. We are heartless people. Moyo yakasviba
@moyomoyo2334
@moyomoyo2334 3 жыл бұрын
You’re right!
@antonymbayiwa312
@antonymbayiwa312 3 жыл бұрын
And you find people like Obert Gutu talking shit about Gugurahundi when people suffered...
@tauraimaphosa6070
@tauraimaphosa6070 3 жыл бұрын
You are very right here, very heartless we are. No love in us, who does stuff like that. Embarrassing I must say
@hermisphasha5404
@hermisphasha5404 Жыл бұрын
The thing Zimbabwe , is captured by foreign domens zvigure spirit,take a look many politicians a of malawians descendants, vane mweya yeugure, really born Zimbabweans we a taught love, unity
@antonymbayiwa312
@antonymbayiwa312 3 жыл бұрын
Mzilankatha mfoka Ncube thank you for this program
@tashie6466
@tashie6466 3 жыл бұрын
Very painful to listen to, so touching 💔😰
@elvismudzengerere2093
@elvismudzengerere2093 7 ай бұрын
My utmost salutations to you Trevor . great show
@vimbainashenyamatore6305
@vimbainashenyamatore6305 Жыл бұрын
i was in grade 7 when this abduction happened and i used to hear stories from my aunt just saying her name and i would wonder what is actually going on and now am grown up hearing your story am in awe right now what a ;lioness. great interview there trevor
@tanakasikwila5613
@tanakasikwila5613 3 жыл бұрын
very moving interview
@user-ie7oe9le1n
@user-ie7oe9le1n Жыл бұрын
God my Lord free the nation of Zimbabwe. Tatambura.
@maps263
@maps263 11 ай бұрын
I can't continue watching this anymore, it reminds me of 2008 june, very sorry mama J Mukoko
@peenyikayaramba5433
@peenyikayaramba5433 3 жыл бұрын
Painful story 😢but indeed you are a strong woman Mrs Mukoko
@kennymabwe165
@kennymabwe165 3 жыл бұрын
What a moving story !!!
@wallacemapiye383
@wallacemapiye383 3 жыл бұрын
Oooo my GOD I can't hold my tears
@johnmadanhi7460
@johnmadanhi7460 3 жыл бұрын
An inspiration to many ...
@funfun7916
@funfun7916 3 жыл бұрын
I cried through out your story Jestina. It's like as though I am the one who was tortured it hurts &I hate to think there are humans capable of such evil but now I do understand why. Yesterday I heard in the BBC news that a man signed a contract with the devil which was a full page by using his blood to sign agreed to kill six women every month or year ( I can't remember the length of time) but lets look at the extent of the evil. The man is just on trial for murdering two sisters.😢😢JUST FORGIVE these evil headed men who tortured you. IT'S POINTLESS GETTING ANGRY AT THE DEVIL himself. THAT'S HIS job TO steal,kill & destroy so he uses a human body that's why we see some acts comitted by some people are so evil that we wonder if they are human at all. That's proof that these evil people will be possessed but time is coming for them to answer for their evil deeds because it's their fault to allow the devil to use them why can't they resist the devil so that they are not used to commit such atrocities to other humans? Please just forgive them soon the owner of all humans is coming to deal with all the evil headed people OUR SPIRITS DO NOT DIE WE ALL KNOW THAT EVEN THE MOST STUPID PERSON KNOWS THAT.😢😢😢.
@blessingruwocha157
@blessingruwocha157 Жыл бұрын
Tears in my eyes . Wish you more strength
@graciousmahonde1117
@graciousmahonde1117 3 жыл бұрын
Much respect to the Iron Lady.
@Bthula
@Bthula 3 жыл бұрын
All this was done to protect Mugabe and then you hear some fools saying mugabe was better than ED . My sister I don’t know you well but I look at your face and hear your voice,I see strong woman yes you still looking in big pain but be strong .to my fellow human being if you want to the devil don’t look far it’s mugabe
@princebond
@princebond 3 жыл бұрын
You do realize that ED was in most cases the one that was tasked with executing Mugabe's orders? Ask the Ndebeles that lived through the 1980s and they will tell you there is no objective difference in terms of cruelty between the 2 men.
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