*VG SPORTS CORRECTION!!* So massive thank you to Luuk Rutten and others in the comments for pointing this out. For the VG sports cassette I actually needed to use a spacer behind the Cassette to make it function! 🤦♂Apologies to VG Sports, I'll quickly throw together a video explaining this later!
@biggaywizard Жыл бұрын
I'm a former race mechanic and a former mechanic for Trek bicycles, the spacing issue isn't uncommon. There are several companies that make spacers for that issue. It's really just from the cassette being built for a broader tolerance, some 10 speed cassettes don't have the same width as 12 speed so my guess is that it was built for the older spacing. To be honest there's been so many spacing changes over the last ten or so years that even I have a hard time keeping up with all of them.
@lb0538 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it is a mtb cassette for hg a road hg 11s freehub is longer so the freehub is longer than the cassette that is why its loose.
@galenkehler Жыл бұрын
Got to say that was a little too harsh on VG (perhaps a little too quick to jump to criticism based on the past experience) Bit sloppy there Trace 😁
@hisdadjames4876 Жыл бұрын
Good on you, Luke. Those natural and spontaneous reactions make your content so much more engaging and, of course, you offer a fulsome explanation and apology if you get it wrong…like that shifter lever issue where you missed the adjuster screw😂
@mrhankbotful Жыл бұрын
No one is perfect, keep learning new stuff, share it, learn more new stuff! Love the content you're making, don't sweat the occasional mistake, just share what you found out in the next video.
@riemervandenhaak Жыл бұрын
Hi luke, just a quick tip from a bike mechanic here ;), when working with hydraulics (especially bleader/removing a hydraulic system) take your wheels out the bike, and take the pads out. Then if some brake fluid spills, you dont ruin your pads/rotors. If you dont plan to reuse those, it does not matter ofcourse ;)
@TraceVelo Жыл бұрын
Also forgot to mention, the small issue that I had with the RX road version of this groupset (where the shift lever didn't return fully, sometimes blocking a shift with the thumb trigger), it's not present here at all! The shifting is basically perfect 👌🥖🥖🥖
@itstheterranaut Жыл бұрын
On the back of that, Luke- did you work out whether the shift lever could be moved away from the brake lever using the grub screw on the underside? I keep looking at mine, and wondering.... **EDIT Answering my own question: on the R9 11 speed from L-Twoo, a 1.5mm hex key on the grub screw will move the shift lever away from the brake lever.
@squee666 Жыл бұрын
also do note i mentioned this before. my sensah/senicx crank i replaced the bottom bracket also i had 600miles clocked before i had clicking cranks under pressure. spent money on a nukeproof horizon one with titanium coated bearings been solid so far and chainreaction sell the bearings. not the cheapest but 800 miles later still no issue. and yeah for cassette wobble you need a 1.85mm spacer on your road hub to fit an mtb cassette. I had this issue when i first built my sensah 11 speed groupset also congrats on removing the conduct kit now you can get a fancy chinese carbon stem PS , Peak Torque KZfaqr makes an adapter that lets you mount hydraulic flat mount brakes with 180mm rotors , he also UK based
@adambarlev8992 Жыл бұрын
It's a quirk of the Campagnolo mechanism - same thing happens on my Ekar 1by13 shifter if the levers are depressed at the same time.
@mireia3208 Жыл бұрын
Mine are fine in the RX version. Maybe it is just not consistent from unit to unit ? Also mine don't rattle, I checked it. Mine are faultless except for the shifting performance, which is overall ok but no super crisp in all gears, it tends to be a little more lousy in the small cogs.
@bama95 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry about the crash, glad you are ok. Could you possibly use the R9 lever as a temporary replacement? Curious to see if the epoxy repair job comes along as nicely as expected. Ciao! 🥖
@luukrutten1295 Жыл бұрын
The cassette issue is simple enough. You are required to use the 10 speed spacer, required for mounting 10speed on 11 speed road bodies. The spacing of this 12sp cassette is based on the 10sp mountainbike body, which basically still is the same as the old 10speed road body. Mountainbike cassettes never required an upgrade of the spacing since the larger cogs can overhang on the spokes ( if the wheels are properly dished ). This means 11 speed mountainbike cassettes fit 10speed bodys ( also road bodys ) and so do the 12 speed cassettes. I am sure you have one of those spacers somewhere.
@woutervanderdoes5163 Жыл бұрын
exactly! I was curious about this one too, since it means I can get a 12 speed cassette on my old 'mtb'
@luukrutten1295 Жыл бұрын
This is btw a great hack for using your older 10 speed wheels on modern 11 speed groupsets. Buy an 11-34 SHIMANO CS-HG700 which fits older style 10 speed wheels. Beware that most other 11 cassettes ones wont fit on 10 speed.
@woutervanderdoes5163 Жыл бұрын
@@luukrutten1295 (edited) it seems that indeed the 105 r7000 11-34 has a removable spacer, so it can fit 10 speed hubs! That's very cool obscure knowledge, thank you sir. I might try it out to play with different gearing on my 26 incher Also seems like the ultegra HG800 one has the removable spacer. I've got that one laying around, so I might try it soon
@TraceVelo Жыл бұрын
Right ok. I did think think this myself actually, so as you suggested, I slapped a spacer behind the VG sports cassette. It mounted fine, but the indexing was WAY off, and the shifting was terrible. Then with the SRAM PG 1230 cassette on the same HG freehub (it's a bog standard 11 speed HG freehub btw), no spacer needed, and the shifting was perfect... I was pretty sure SRAM and Shimano 12 speed cassettes were interchangable...? (EDIT - *I was wrong!* 🤦♂shifting is actually fine - See pinned comment)
@johnnyboy4711 Жыл бұрын
1st thought i had,put in a spacer
@123moof5 ай бұрын
I've been using the GRT groupset now for about 6 months, mostly pretty happy. I went with the aluminum version. The shifting took some getting used to after years on Shimano style, and after a while I really don't mind the difference. Shifting from the drops is easier with GRT than my R7000 for me at least. The shifting mechanism is not as crisp or refined feeling as Shimano, and the upshift has some phantom half-click feelings that can result in not shifting, or getting a double shift if you are not intentional. Braking has been issue free. The left lever has a void where guts would have been, and I wish they filled that up so your left hand sits on the hood just a little different than the right. The "butter zone" for the rear barrel adjuster just a tiny couple click region, and if I did it again I would add an inline adjusted at the front so I could adjust while riding. Overall it does what I needed with minimal fuss, and made for a nice build I don't mind getting muddy or beat up.
@edmundhodgson2572 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff Luke. The larger numbers on the adapters are for mtbs as they start with 160's where as road bikes start at 140, hence the 20mm difference.
@noci3316 Жыл бұрын
Was looking forward to the groupset for a potential on a cyclocross bike, after seeing how easily the shifter snapped off I think its a big swerve from me especially for a cross groupset.
@MrThearijal Жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, about the caliper adapters, 140/160 means it's for 140 front and/or 160 rear. 160/180 means for 160 front and/or 180 rear, so you can use the same adapter for rear or front depending on the rotor size
@endianAphones Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if it's that. The front one is usually reversible, but the rear is not (brake mounted directly to the frame). At least on my Cannondale. I think it might be related to some gravel bikes using the same adapters with a 20mm offset. Like using a 140mm adapters to use 160mm rotors, and 160mm adapters to use 180mm rotors, as AFAIK the flat mount standard only supports 140 and 160mm.
@MrThearijal Жыл бұрын
@@endianAphones That might true though, I don't have any experience with flat mounted frames, but it's common with these chinese adapter products using codes like that, usually for MTB that often uses big rotors than road bikes
@MrThearijal Жыл бұрын
@@endianAphones I think you're right, because the common adapters I was talking about are usually coded F140/R160, F160/R180, and so on
@lolbubs11111 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes the disk brake mounting adapters can be flipped the other direction to fit either 140 or 160 (or 160/180). The other orientation might put the caliper closer or further relative to the wheel hub.
@michaelmechex Жыл бұрын
I'm really sorry about the crash, but also glad you're okay! Those deep ruts can be nasty. I've found moving my center of gravity a little bit back on the saddle helps me keep the steering steady on rough roads. I'd like to see how you go about getting a new brake lever, because I haven't seen any spare parts from L-twoo. Anyway, those cranks seemed a little bit too hollowed out to me, sadly, they were. In my experience the only way to get super stiff, reliable and light cranks is carbon. Aliexpress has been showing me some lovely looking carbon cranks from Racework, maybe they're worth checking out. Altough I got older Sram Force gxp cranks second hand very cheap, and they're amazing.
@mrhankbotful Жыл бұрын
Brake caliper spacers are 140/160 for the minimum size rotor the mount is designed for (either 140 or 160mm depending on the frame) and the 160/180 is to go from minimum 140mm to a 160mm, or from minimum 160mm to a 180mm rotor.
@jimhize Жыл бұрын
Came here to say this. That’s exactly what it is.
@wtfiswiththosehandles Жыл бұрын
I basically stopped riding with heavily flared bars because of what happens whenever you crash like you did... After snapping two levers I went back to regular(ish) bars and never looked back. Glad you're OK though
@cunvericht Жыл бұрын
Great episode Luke, good to see they stepped up the game with solid disc brakes and improved derailleur set up over the GR9. The thumb lever is in a better location over the GR9 and drops multiple gears at a time. 🥖🥖🥖
@maritimezombie768411 ай бұрын
Be nice to see you review the aluminum version of these shifters, see if they are any more durable.
@jpotter Жыл бұрын
Yo luke, if you reverse the mounting plates for the calipers, the size will differ. Use the 160 side & you move the rotor placement to accept the 180 disc. Switcheroo does it bro. Hope it makes sense
@TimR123 Жыл бұрын
I think the 160/180 markings depend on what was the baseline setup. If the bike was designed for 140 originally it would (and did) support the 20mm larger 160. Had your bike come with 160s, the 20mm would have supported 180mm rotors
@roilev Жыл бұрын
I LOVE the ZTTO 10-52 12speed cassette! I bought it for my winter alu wheelset for my XC MTB. I have the SRAM XX1 oilslick one on my summer carbon wheelset, but they look and work the same. The weight difference is minimal too!
@boyacki Жыл бұрын
loving the work and damn, you would think that the redemption cassette would be checked before shipping! always fair to give a chance and the real time footage guides are so helpful. youve mentioned that the groupset shifts smoothly and quietly, would you praise the cassette and/or chain? im so sorry to see the crash!! so glad to see you didnt get hurt, unlike my face...thank you for the shout out!! got another week to recover but nearly there! really helps with confidence so thank you!
@mireia3208 Жыл бұрын
The crap getting in and not getting out is an issue also with original SRAM bottom bracket. I have also the same issue with wheels and so. Solution (or kind of) ... drilling holes for things to breath and dry. Otherwise the water ends up destroying steel/aluminum axles, bearings, everything.
@craigsmith5134 Жыл бұрын
Howdy, thanks for the great content. I just installed a 2x11 sensah group set for my old bike. Works like a charm!!
@charliewhelan9488 Жыл бұрын
What did you go for?
@pigeonpoo1823 Жыл бұрын
Now that you've gone full time pro, I'd love to know more about your workspace. I like the sound deadening foam, the lobster pic, how you've arranged your tools, the green lighting. So what's next?
@rapidrick Жыл бұрын
True to your word Luke, thanks for including the shimano / sram equivalent pads that fit!!
@raleighcosca7189 Жыл бұрын
Baguette nation X Siroko when?
@jonaqwerty Жыл бұрын
And another amazing video from Luke. I got to say man you have become my favorite bike KZfaqr. By far the most entertaining one and just spitting amazing review videos.
@martinjfabbro Жыл бұрын
I had the same issue with a sunshine 11s 11-42 cassette. I ended up using the 10s spacer at the back of the cassette. Enough space left for the lock ring to go in. All working fine now
@danalec4742 Жыл бұрын
Great news, Luke! I was waiting this video to crack on and to replace my 105 hydrolic groupset. Thanks, mate! I hope China cycling is watching this video, because he wasn't fully satisfied with this groupset. 😉
@61tree_VR_Gliding Жыл бұрын
Sorry you fell and glad you didn't get hurt. I fell on my gravel bike once and smashed my knee cap. Couldn't ride for a few months. I love your pet duck you brought along for the ride!
@brianwilson3881 Жыл бұрын
My eyes light up when i see you have posted another video Luke. Love your videos, and you are a very talented lad.
@ilikewasabe Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate all your effort on making videos through the years on products that are easily dismissed by most youtubers. Bless you sir!!
@jonburnell532 Жыл бұрын
Peter, if you read this, I hope you're recovering well 👍 As always, much love for the video Luke, thank you. Interesting to see some crash testing, I wonder how one of the big three would have survived that.
@itstheterranaut Жыл бұрын
I've crashed my SRAM CX1/Force several times; other than some scratches, no issues.
@boyacki Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jon! Really appreciate it! fractured my whole right side but somehow, miraculously, im ok now, 5 weeks down the line?! time will tell! another week before return to the saddle!
@jonburnell532 Жыл бұрын
@@boyacki sounds nasty 🫤 Glad it wasn't a whole lot worse though 👍
@kimmyyimmel2010 Жыл бұрын
one of the best tools for cleaning dirt and old grease out of small components like bearings, chains, and cassettes is an ultrasonic cleaner you can get them on amazon and you can just set your stuff in it, turn it on and forget out it!
@charlesci7766 Жыл бұрын
I just order the same group set,really exciting to install them on my bike! and a reminder: ltwoo grt 1x12 group set of alloy version is 500rmb lower than the carbon version in the video.
@cogsnbanjo Жыл бұрын
Unlucky with the crash and glad you're okay. My impression of that was lack of grip at the side of the tyre. You hit an off-camber rut and it sent the tyre sideways. I have done the same in the wet. It is most likely the result of over-inflated tyres, which can bounce off and be deflected by off-camber edges. You need less air in your tyres to allow the tread to distort and grip the side of the rut rather than ping off them. 25-30 psi is the best pressure for gravel I reckon plus get tyres with reasonable grip at the side.
@fpsninja1 Жыл бұрын
What happens to the "welcome to another -insert random sound gif/phrase- trace velo production". I loved those intros
@chinitoreno Жыл бұрын
Gravel bike is looking tasty, so is the quality of the content Luke puts out 🥵 Baguettes on deck for this video 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖
@mikelacross Жыл бұрын
WOW, the colour saturation & lighting was amazing when you got onto the ride revue. The gear looks pretty good too 😁
@roiattilucas2669 Жыл бұрын
Nice video ! To adjust the stroke of the brakes, you can push out the pistons a little bit and decrease the distance between the disc and the pads. you remove the wheel and you activate the brakes, you have to be careful not to press too much to be able to put the wheel back on
@Membrillo81 Жыл бұрын
I guess the brake adapter numbering is because some forks are designed for 140/160 rotors while others are designed for 160/180 rotors. Same for the rear brake, some frames are designed for 140 while others are designed for 160. Depending on your fork/frame you´ll need different adapters in different orientations (or even no adapter at all) to use 140/160/180 rotors. Anyway, yes, the way they printed the numbers doesn´t help a lot.
@abdessamadparkour6905 Жыл бұрын
The video that I was waiting for 👌
@micahsherer7189 Жыл бұрын
Love the video, love Trace. Best production quality this side of Rides of Japan. One note on the snapped lever... I noticed when you initially set up the levers, they were sitting a good bit outside the curve of the drops... Do you think that could have contributed to the lever not being protected by the bars and snapping off?
@abedfo88 Жыл бұрын
It's funny you should say this. I think because of the content and lukes presentation and humour its easy to miss how damn well made the videos are.
@gregdevins937218 күн бұрын
Great content! Just curious how the groupset is working after a few months of use?
@RohanRidesBikes Жыл бұрын
I still use the hard rock CVR crankset with the aluminium spindle 2-3 years later still going strong!!
@alexandrnaumenko3250 Жыл бұрын
Test pilot that we admire
@olafbollrath5086 Жыл бұрын
Many thank Luke, very entertaining!!! Good you’re fine after getting off your bike. 👍🏻
@chrisdown2591 Жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone is a cyclist unless they have stacked! Glad to see you didn't hurt yourself physically!
@mrhankbotful Жыл бұрын
The crash didn't seem that bad, to have resulted in a snapped off lever is a bit concerning to me. I've bailed onto my 11sp di2 Ultegra levers a number of times on dirt, gravel and pavement and they're still going strong despite some battle scars. That durability is probably worth it to me in terms of a small crash not being a ride ending event, as I need them to survive week long bikepacking trips in remote places without leaving me stranded.
@the.communist Жыл бұрын
In those flared bars, the shifters are more in danger of breaking
@mrhankbotful Жыл бұрын
@@the.communist I run 52cm Salsa Cowchippers, so mine are flared too...
@dan_lazaro Жыл бұрын
@@mrhankbotful52cm?! Not 42? Can't imagine riding bars wider than 38cm currently looking for 36cm ones.
@mrhankbotful Жыл бұрын
@@dan_lazaro I'm bigger than your average cyclist, plus broad shouldered. I did double check though and they're actually the 50cm version of the Cowchipper Deluxe. The 52cm bars I have are PNW The Coast bars.
@Kittyjesus503 Жыл бұрын
@@mrhankbotful I run the kitchen sinks in the same size. I love them.
@dymbag14 ай бұрын
The 160/180 front adapter doubles as a 180 rear adapter. So it’s used for 160 front and a 180 rear
@thomasalison6188 Жыл бұрын
Another OUTSTANDING video, from Trace Velo!!
@sidneyroyongkingco7951 Жыл бұрын
Greetings from the Philippines! Glad you're OK! Nice work! Always enjoy your videos.
@kritan84 Жыл бұрын
That crash test seems to explain part of the low price, I've crashed more times than I care to think about and my GRX600 is blemished but works as good as day 1. Hopefully they will fix that in future iterations, having a good cheap groupset is a win win for everyone.
@fathybalamita1537 Жыл бұрын
I crashed into a tree and hit my shimano 105 shifter really hard, The only issue i had was a broken shift cable.
@adrianc6534 Жыл бұрын
yea my GRX and Rival groupsets on my gravel bikes have all taken a beating and still work like new. the only thing that happened was some scuffing on the shift lever where it hit the ground.
@endianAphones Жыл бұрын
Shimano has the advantages that the levers rotate, so they should handle a lot more lateral stress. On the other hand my SRAM levers are like first gen 11 speed and they're fine... scratched, but fine.
@TheoreticalCyclist Жыл бұрын
You can take apart the BB cups sing a gas torch and replace the bearings (if thy come in a standard size). Nice videos!
@Oilyhands749 Жыл бұрын
Top vid , appreciate your honesty
@Oilyhands749 Жыл бұрын
W⚓️
@tomahoks Жыл бұрын
That chainstay design on the blue bike looks marvellous.❤
@pewwpew Жыл бұрын
how to pronounce SRAM " SRAM is the conglomeration of our founder's [sic] names, Scott, Ray and sAM. The initials provided a simple way to come up with a corporate name that could be trademarked and directly translated into languages other than English. It is not pronounced S-RAM, SchRAM, or SkRAM. Just SRAM"
@shaneparry4066 Жыл бұрын
Another entertaining and informative video mate. I really enjoy your reviews of alternative equipment.
@JonneytheKidd Жыл бұрын
Thank you for calling out the scammers. I got scammed $500 dollars this first time I received that message.
@romankuchak4 ай бұрын
Hey Luke, speaking about fork adapter - I’ve just installed my GRT and 160 adapter let me use 180 front rotor, and same happened with my previous TRP Spyre C adapters, so it depends on fork mounting holes position
@jonathan_f2 Жыл бұрын
Another great video! Sucks about the crash. I'm running 10 speed GRX 400 alloy shift levers (converted to 1x). I've crashed on them numerous times and they've held up just fine. They're not the lightest, but the alloy shift levers are built tough. Just a bit of nail polish gel touches up all the scratches nicely! 🥖🥖🥖
@DilbertMuc Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. A snapping lever is a big no-no on a bike, especially on gravel bikes. Maybe the carbon is in reality just ABS plastic with carbon print?
@jonathan_f2 Жыл бұрын
@@DilbertMuc The thing with gravel is that crashes/bike drops are more likely to happen. I'm guessing carbon fiber isn't a great material to use for a high impact component.
@DilbertMuc Жыл бұрын
@@jonathan_f2 Yeah? Tell that Boeing and Airbus. Hopefully their stuff is better resistant to impacts. Don't wanna lose a wing in turbulance...
@kipcc3918 Жыл бұрын
Tips for riding farm land roads, Never stay on the middle/elevated part especially standing pedalling, Those roads are typically by a four wheel type of vehicle, And how cars work is that where the car tires are it would be typically flatter there. I might be wrong since I’m not from the UK, But back home, roads that are a car lengths wide are typically like that.
@PauloSerra Жыл бұрын
Groupset looks amazing, and I love the detail that you present this. I would love to get one of these, but the price is starting to get a bit out of hand. 1 - I really don't like the campy style button. 2 - These appear to me at over 400€ (+23% custom tax), I can get SRAM RIVAL/FORCE AXS at around 750€ that are wireless...
@letmein218 Жыл бұрын
thought about grabbing a set of those cranks. Thanks for the PSA!
@danjo1967 Жыл бұрын
their derailleurs are good but didnt previously have a clutch - game changer!!
@fajnalowiec Жыл бұрын
u can get a water in the bb from your seatpost, the frame should have holes eg at the end of rear triangle to let it go
@TheRozzers Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your efforts with the entertaining and informative content, and good luck with your full-time venture 🤞 Ps, I was hit by a car a week before Christmas which almost amputated my left leg. I’m still not home after 10 weeks but you have kept my sanity for which I’m eternally grateful 👍 Don’t lose the magic Luke! Edit as I wrote this post whilst watching the video : PLEEEEASE don’t glue your lever and use it, you’re worth more than that! 🥖🥖🥖
@richardggeorge Жыл бұрын
Heal up well, mate
@robinbebbington7063 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree don't glue a brake lever.
@TheRozzers Жыл бұрын
@@richardggeorge thank you, it’s gonna be a long 12-18 months and have life-changing injuries but okay considering they were going to take the leg off initially! Always someone out there worse off though aye 👍
@guandasin3099 Жыл бұрын
Get well soon my dude!!
@TheRozzers Жыл бұрын
@@guandasin3099 thanks!
@BIKE-PLUS Жыл бұрын
28:20 - SUPER GLUE 🛢🛠
@stephenbetley9596 Жыл бұрын
Cable routing kit. Absolutely essential and pretty cheap. No need for £50 park tool. £15-20 on Amazon. Job done.
@charliewhiskey8440 Жыл бұрын
Crash survivability is a major issue. I wouldn't want a lever to break on me on a multi-days bike camping trip out in the middle of nowhere with no transport back. I've crashed my Shimano Sora levers multiple times and it has always held up fine - the big lever also being a shift lever helps of course but it does go to show how robust Shimano's engineering is. Glad you're ok and got that on film, and I hope L-TWOO can come up with some kind of a response.
@bartroberts5953 Жыл бұрын
Always entertaining and informative!
@apagunaberlari2929 Жыл бұрын
as usual awesome content , i'm so confident your content i liked it 1st before watching it .
@mathieuvivier3171 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Luke for this very detailed and interesting video. Once again an amazing job. As mentioned, you are using a BH59 hose, could you please explain why BH59 over a BH90 ? is there any kind of compatibility issue or is it a performance related reason ? Thank you very much for your videos and long live the baguette !!!
@larisonjohnson Жыл бұрын
Great video! Love the 1x12 group sets. Giving the Ratio update a go for SRAM mullet. I’ve tried fixing carbon/plastic shifter cracks in the past, with no success. The epoxy is strong, it just can’t adhere well enough. Will be interesting to see how you make out!
@matttiggerward6147 Жыл бұрын
I think the adapters are numbered both ways as it depends what size rotors your fork/frame is designed to run eg most suspension forks are designed around a 160 rotor, but some are designed for a minimum 180mm so the adapter to take them up to 203 is different to allow for the difference in the frame/fork.
@davekashuba4730 Жыл бұрын
No other reviewer I can think of willingly goes the extra mile to also crash test products. Thanks for the dedication, but can you crash on the drive side next time? For real though - while you CLAIM that you're OK, I (we) surely hope you are!
@klahlahrides Жыл бұрын
Thanks Luke! Would love for you to make a foray into hardtails and MTB groupsets...
@11robotics Жыл бұрын
That crash (btw, hope you're OK) proves that Chinese cheap and cheerful components are still lagging behind what Western companies have been producing for decades in terms of design, materials and general mechanical engineering. No mid-range Shimano, Campagnolo or SRAM lever would have snapped like that after this sort of crash. In most cases, even their curvature and angles are designed in such a way to minimize the risk of failure in case of crashes (besides other considerations, such as ergonomics). I am rooting for them - and for any other manufacturer besides the "Holy Trinity" to come up with groupsets that are as good as the last/current generations of mechanical Ultegra/105 (R8000/R7000) or their counterparts from Campagnolo or SRAM. Good from all points of view: gear shifting precision, ergonomics, weight, robustness, crash resistance, the lot. They aren't there yet - but who knows, maybe in 5 more years they will manage to fill in the gap that Shimano and SRAM have left behind: reliable, precise and lightweight mechanical groupsets (with high quality rim brake options as well) for similar price points to what they used to cost before Shimano and SRAM decided to ditch them (about 500-600€ for a R7000 groupset and about 700-800€ for a R800 groupset). Also, just wondering: are all the real derailleur cable pull ratios among the 12 speed L-TWOO groupsets identical? I would totally try out an 1x12 mechanical for my rim brake road bike using the levers from the 2x12 groupset (with the unnecessary bits removed from the left one for extra weight savings) and the GRT rear derailleur and a wide range cassette (an 11-46 should work at a pinch for the sort of riding I do).
@colinboulton4796 Жыл бұрын
Great show always a good watch 🤘🏼
@jonobuckley3215 Жыл бұрын
🥯 🥖Just installed a Twoo 8 speed flat bar shifter on my 1981 Dawes due to your recommendation. It only cost about £8 - which suits me as I’m tight and the bike is a bit shite. It works surprisingly well- why pay £25 for NOS Shimano Alivio. All hail, the baguette.🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖
@bradsanders6954 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on surviving the crash! A friend busted a GRX brifter, it was well over 300 US to replace. Talking about breaking cranksets, I was standing climbing and broke the crank where the pedal went thru, and launched my self over the bars, catching and breaking my thumb on the hood, and landing on my feet on the road scuffing my forearm but not falling down. I stop, and wonder why the pedal is still strapped to my foot, but Im not on the bike. From there on out it hurt some. Somebody gave me a ride home, 1st car that came by.
@strikeIII Жыл бұрын
Sorry about that crash. Great video. We need a video on that wheelset pronto! 😜
@britonabrompton9912 Жыл бұрын
As mentioned elsewhere it looks like you need a cassette spacer to go on the inside of the cassette. I have not worked out the circumstances for using them. It is generally written it is to put a 10 speed cassette on an 11 speed body, but I also think whether it is an MTB cassette also has some bearing here as well. I have 10 and 11 speed cassettes, some need a spacer, some don’t
@fernandoanchetajr959 Жыл бұрын
new subscriber here from philippines trace... enjoy watching this episode.
@pippinc7113 Жыл бұрын
I'm using the JFOYH CNC 11spd 11-36, so far love it. Less weight than GRX at only 239g with lock ring. We will see how long it lasts. 175g savings btw.!
@monsters8730 Жыл бұрын
i like those quacks at the end
@YuPeeJay Жыл бұрын
That crash made me scream out a bit. Glad your ok, sad for the break leaver. 🥖 For future luck, what the heck, have a 🍩 as well.
@TraceVelo Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jesper! Yeah hitting the dirt at 18mph was not _particularly_ pleasant i have to say 😂Anyway, thanks for the comment!!!! 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖
@stephen_101 Жыл бұрын
To be fair I had a Shimano GRX brifter snap off in a slow speed calamity - sometimes the impact angle is always going to ruin your day.
@gemini8675 Жыл бұрын
We need to check prices before and after your videos because this word "budget" does change according to aliexpress prices😄
@nirio789 Жыл бұрын
🥖🥖🥖 Here are the bagels you have requested on a previous video for that sick wheelset hahaha Great quality as usual, keep up the good work!
@icreyes3 Жыл бұрын
Trace got B-Rolled!!!!
@seth7293 Жыл бұрын
Those adapters where a bit misleading but those numbers are correct. If you're using 180mm rotors use the other side which corresponds to the 180
@qwertyazerty21377 ай бұрын
I just installed my GR9 hydraulic groupset and I am disappointed. The shifting resistance is appauling. I used ltwoo's supplied cable and a jagwire housing. The cable looks good quality. Copper-colored so maybe it's coated with something. It's definitely polished and smooth so maybe it's the cheap housing or the fact that I routed it on the front side of the handlebar where the horizontal bent is bigger forcing the housing to bent more. The levers have another groove to route the housing on the back side of the handle bar for a less bent of the housing so I must give it a try. But the worst thing is that the left lever bleed port screw is tightened so hard that it won't budge. I stripped and rounded its head trying to loosen it and now it's stuck forever. Suprisingly I was able to bleed the system using just one syringe plugged into the caliper so from top to bottom. But anyway I am waiting for the seller's response and his solution becasue this lever qualifies for a replacement. Other drawbacks: 1. Rubber of the hoods is slippery although it has a matte feel to it and has a texture. Shimano's hoods are way more grippy. 2. To save manufacturing costs, for the left lever they use a lever from a 2x groupset (maybe rx) because it has guiding groves for the shifter housing under the hood. They simply just don't put the cable ratchet pulley and shifitng paddle and trigger. That's ok but without this ratchert, there's a gaping hole underneath the lever where all the gunk and dust may build up. Also while on the hoods having your index and middle fingers wrapped around the hood, you can feel that hole and it's edges under the fingers tips which is uncomfortable. Especially when you grasp firmly while pedalling hard out of the saddle uphill. How much would it cost them to desing a simple plate cover with an i.e. elastic latch similar to those of battery compartments in tv remote controllers? 3. Downshift trigger is in awkward position. Its position and overall lever shape is heavily inspired by Campagnolo Ekar levers which apparently have the same problem which Paul from Mapdec Cycles reported in one of his reels. On the hoods to reach it you have to sort of lift your hand and twist it inwards. also when pressing down the trigger, if you have your fingers wrapped underneath the lever, they are right under the trigger and obstruct its downward travel so you also have to move them away. I would expect the trigger to be place more towards the front of the lever just like it is in ltwoo's mechanical road levers like r9, r7, r5... Also, it offers up to 3-4 downshift with single push. I think this is unnecessary, because it causes excessive unwanted downshifts. It could be justified in the road RX groupset in finish line sprint situations, but this is a gravel groupset so I think it's pointless and useless. On the plus side, the trigger is ergonomic and right were you'd look for it while on the drops. 4. Lever instllation is troublesome. The bolt clamp is located in the center of the lever body so the vertical part with the master cylinder obstructs access to it to an extent. Also, the bolt is very hard to reach becuse the rubber of the hood is very tight and does not peel off enough to expose the bolt. You need to have an extended hex wrench with a ball-head end and prefferably with an attachable handle. With a standard-sized wrench it will be very hard to reach the bolt. For comparison, in Shimano levers the bolt is on the outer side of the lever body and it only takes to slide the wrench under the hood to reach it. 5. The rear derailleur isa bit too big. I've installed it on an Accent Furious Pro frame and noticed that if I loosen the b-tention screw too much, the front of the derailleur where the clutch is located touches the chainstay and wedges on it preventing normal operation. Also, the part of the derailleur with this clutch is visibally made out of some kind of composite material, probably based on nylon. It's definitely not metal. The rest of the parts, like the pantograph, pulley cage are indeed metal. Unless you buy a version with a carbon pulley cage of course. Pros: 1. Overall quality is good. The logo imprints are good. They are thick and have a nice sort of brushed aluminum texture. 2. The shape of the hoods and lever blades is ergonomic. They feel good under the fingers both on the hoods and on the drops. A this point I honestly do not recommend GR9. It's not worth the risk. I can recommend R5 because I have had these levers for two years now and they have not failed so far although the shifting resistance is also quite strong but not as strong as with these GR9 eventough I have the shifting cable routes along the front of the handlebar as well . The overall build quality and shifting is comparable to Shimano Sora..
@dhrideronsession8032 Жыл бұрын
I really like your content! I cant wait to see you reach 100K subs!
@maniastrat Жыл бұрын
These groups you have been showing are really coming along quickly! Hope the keep the prices down
@Jinedan Жыл бұрын
Trace Velo video days always make me happy … 🥖🥖🥖
@grantnyenes3742 Жыл бұрын
Another great vid Luke. When you mentioned the brake lever was plastic I felt a shudder only to be proved right after your crash… just seems too flimsy for a life saving part of your bike.. hope you are ok? 🥖
@stevechoi9835 Жыл бұрын
Some forks add 20mm to the clearance, hence the confusing 160/180 sign. I have one like that, so use 160mm adapter for a 180mm rotor.
@malcontent_1 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, Luke
@deanhempshall13359 күн бұрын
My GRT group set arrived yesterday, just a heads up they’ve changed the labelling on the brake adapters now so they only have the right disc size on them. E.G the ones you have fitted here only have “front 160mm” or “rear 160mm” on them.
@denzzz28 Жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. I will be considrering this group set on my next build or upgrade. However, im just a wee bit concern how easily the lever snapped when you crashed. That will never happen on a shimano lever. Oh by the way why on earth are you riding in the middle of the track?? thats is the worst part of a track you should be riding.
@IlkkaHarmanen Жыл бұрын
Love the bonus clip! Thanks Luke! P.S. do you have a Patreon or something of the kind where we can support you directly?
@jasoncherry60979 ай бұрын
Has there been any updates on this groupset? I'm considering purchasing it for a bike that took a fall at 50mph and it's shifters are now in many pieces.