NEW! L-TWOO eRX Blue Edition: What's new? Did they finally fix the issues?

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L-TWOO have updated their eRX groupset into what I'm unofficially calling "The Blue Edition." As well as some surface changes, there's a few changes under the hood. In this video, I unbox the groupset, see what differences we can see, and weigh the differences between the new and previous versions.
Will this finally be the end of eRX's woes? Do we finally have a true groupset of the people? More long-term testing required, but things are looking good.
00:00 Intro
00:40 Initial Unboxing
02:12 Rear Derailleur
03:30 Front Derailleur
04:38 Shifters
07:10 Brakes
08:52 Weight Savings
09:18 The eRX Story so Far

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@801chris 2 ай бұрын

Can't wait for your wheeltop review

@PauloSerra 2 ай бұрын

I'm using it for a couple of days !!! So far so good... only small niggles with the app.

@801chris 2 ай бұрын

@@PauloSerra is the app translated well to English?

@PauloSerra 2 ай бұрын

@@801chris yes. It's in english now. That makes it much easier :D Niggles as in, sometimes you need to force close it and reopen to get it to pair again. It gives you a popup that a firmware update is available but then it says you got the latest when trying to update. I talked with them, it was just a version they reverted, so it gives the popup, will be solved when they actually release something. It's not perfect, but usable. It still does not pair with Garmin/Wahoo/etc, so you can't see the gear data on the GPS, but they mentioned it's coming soon...

@801chris 2 ай бұрын

@@PauloSerra got it. I understand all the bugs and stuff as long as it's translated well. Everything will be furnished as it goes. Thanks for the info tho

@maniastrat 2 ай бұрын

Me 2 on wheeltop Especially since they offer a cable brake option

@pierrex3226 2 ай бұрын

Fwiw, I've installed 5 er9 groups. All been flawless. Haven't ridden in the rain, people have had success with liquid electric tape around the RD plug to seal it. Everybody seems to have the new version with springs and not tabs in the battery. That was causing the group to die / go to sleep for no reason. The other problem for some is weather proofing, and this liquid tape thing seems to work. I don't think anybody has had problems beyond that. Bearing in mind that most people who install these groups are individuals who don't really know what they're doing, me included. Point being: I am very happy with my L-TWOO er9.

@Sansuiification 2 ай бұрын

Dielectric grease works too (silicone grease)

@aanonymuss3603 2 ай бұрын

Sadly this isn’t a fool-proof for EU/UK weather. If Di2 can handle it, they need to reverse engineer a better system. Otherwise what’s the point?!

@pigupigu 2 ай бұрын

I've waterblasted the shit out of my erx. And ridden in rain. 3000km no issues Another friend has done 5000+

@peterhsu355 2 ай бұрын

how do you use it, just fill connecting ends with the grease?@@Sansuiification

@pierrex3226 2 ай бұрын

@@peterhsu355 you plug the cable and you just make a bead around the seal so that water can't possibly enter into the plug socket

@thejuampi 2 ай бұрын

looking forward for a complete review. Looks really promising

@paulstuart9465 2 ай бұрын

Very interesting. The new logo's are a big improvement as is the front mech reshape of the plastic cover. Can you let everyone know when the updated version will be available. Thanks.

@p5ng476 2 ай бұрын

Indeed! Look changed from „cheap Chinese groupset“ to „I could be from a major brand groupset“

@seraph4581 2 ай бұрын

Damn good. If they offer electronic shifting for mechanical/rim brakes they'll definitely make an even bigger splash in the market. Those'd be fantastical upgrades for any bike out there.

@jimbo9030 2 ай бұрын

If one of these Chinese companies just made a TT blip button, then I'm pretty sure they would dominate the build your own TT market

@rascal1234 2 ай бұрын

Good stuff! I am glad there is a serious competitor to the majors. Should keep their pricing honest.

@trackar134 2 ай бұрын

Ordered the EGR groupset, very cheap with the current sale and excited to try it out.

@robertwhyte3435 2 ай бұрын

Looking forward to the build.

@yspegel 2 ай бұрын

Good that they keep improving.... I'll wait for reviews a bit =)

@geoleo2597 2 ай бұрын

What we really need is e-shifting for 2x12 flat bar road gearing. Now THAT would be the ticket!!!! Please tell someone to do that. This is also a growing segment that meets the needs of many 😮 Currently I can only do 2x mechanical flat bar road gearing

@poudreuse8391 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for your work!

@HaoTran-jv6pz 2 ай бұрын

I need them to do the rim version 😤😤

@fpgamemearray 2 ай бұрын

agreed, this would give some competition to wheeltop and a lot of people still ride rims

@darrengarvie8832 2 ай бұрын

I agree too we need a rim brake type

@ariffau 2 ай бұрын

Wheeltop EDS TX

@cpt.slackbladder3187 2 ай бұрын

Yep 💯

@jasonreynolds1715 2 ай бұрын

Us old retro rim brake users have been left behind - it’s a crying shame!

@sig256. 2 ай бұрын

I had thought that perhaps a similar update might be coming to ERX since the shape of the levers and calipers had changed when the EGR was announced, but I never thought it would really come!

@Carftymk 2 ай бұрын

i hope they will consider dropping the price somewhat, it's not very competitive against 105 di2 after you add the drivetrain and rotors

@travispyle2905 2 ай бұрын

Yes get it to like $400 and proven reliability, and then will sell like hotcakes.

@invisiblescout6335 2 ай бұрын

@@travispyle2905 er9 is close to that

@qwertyazerty2137 2 ай бұрын

Ltwoo has an issue with their qc and assembly. I had two gr9 groupsets in a row with the same problem of left lever bleed port bolt overtightened to the point at which it does not budge and you end up stripping its head. And their customer service is rubbish. I asked them to check these ports before shipping but they refused saying it's already checked, but apparently it's not. Also the quality of these bolts is rubbish. Firstly the metal is too soft if you can easily stripp its head. Secondly, the heads are badly machined as there is too much play for the allen key to fit tighlty enough to engage and loosen the bolt, but it wouldn't be a problem if they weren't tightening them so hard in the first place. I returned the first groupset with free shipping andgl got a full refund although nobody reimbursed me the customs. With the second groupset I managed to loosen the bolt with a torx bit and asked ltwoo to send a replacement bolt because I think this one will get stripped eventually. Still waiting for their response... And this is not just me or just the gr9. I saw one review of e9 groupset on ali where the buyer had the same problem.

@tubularmonkeymaniac 2 ай бұрын

If I'm spending a chump change on a gruppo I expect cut corners. But as Ltwoo try and compete with more expensive kit, they can't get away with it. I won't be touching their higher end stuff for the foreseeable future.

@qwertyazerty2137 2 ай бұрын

@@tubularmonkeymaniacyep, I think that with all these hydraulic groupsets it is a gamble you have to account for. With the mechanical groupsets, both road and mtb I think they are worth the risk as they are really dirt cheap. I've had their R5 shifters for 3 years now and they are all fine. Same partiallt with the AX 11 speed mtb groupset. All fine expect for the shifter who's clamp bolt snapped for no reason half a year after purchase but it was an easy fix. With such faults you can see where they are cutting corners to compete with price.

@maxpetification 2 ай бұрын

agree, they are still much too expensive for what they are offering, if you consider that you still have to pay taxes in EU

@michaelbruceharding 18 күн бұрын

excellent videos, and has helped me to make the buying decision on the eRX groupset today. I dont believe I have the blue edition coming though? I have a question, is there a compatiable oversized rear pulley wheel for the eRX rear derailer?

@mjharrisleeds 2 ай бұрын

Great video as ever. Just a quick question l-twoo erx carbon or wheel top eds road carbon groupset. Which would you buy if you only had 1 road bike? Thanks and keep up the excellent content

@yoyo510 2 ай бұрын

10:00 TBH you can say that for the other electronic groupsets we've had over the years. It comes with the complexity of adding more components for better performance. Every person I know who's owned electronic shifters have had power issues, both resolved (driving vibrations draining the battery) and still a mystery. I'm just glad someone's been able to step up and challenge what was a duopoly on the electronic groupset market and really show us how overpriced they have actually been.

@malcontent510 2 ай бұрын

Encouraging, esp. the brakes - we'll see The front derailleur changes are curious

@SgtFinaldo 2 ай бұрын

WheelTop are another electronic groupset, they had a MTB system available the past few years, but havent seen any coverage. But they do have a road groupset out now. Early adopters beware!

@michaelmechex 2 ай бұрын

This looks very nice. It's almost a shame I'm currently set for drop bar groupsets for years to come. Although I'd prefer a mechanical version, is that one getting new calipers as well? Also I'd really like to see dropper post compatible left lever on the mechanical gravel version, that is probably the biggest reason I went with Shimano

@user-mp3zd8ob7y 2 ай бұрын

Hi! Thanks so much for comparsion! Can you say release date? I’m building my bike from AliExpress and can’t choose between old and blue version. It depends on release date. Thank you!

@LordFata 2 ай бұрын

Got a question regarding brifter shape. My GR9 feels great so far, but the shape is somewhat tapered towards the front, feels a bit like "falling into the front" compared to the Rival Hydro I had before. Is the eRX a bit wider at the front than the mechanically-shifting hydro LTWOOs? Hard to judge from the video. Great content as always, many thanks!

@IanCoveny Ай бұрын

If you’re thinking of L-Twoo, I cannot strongly enough recommend against it. I have two group sets, the RX and the GR9, and they’ve been a disaster. Unfortunately, I don’t have the platform that Trace/GC/Panda has, so L-Twoo just dgaf about my issues, and I’ve been stuck having to replace both with Shimano/SRAM. All-in, I’m out 2x what I would’ve been just going mainstream in the first place.

@philipsimmonds1103 2 ай бұрын

I've put 5k on the egr.. flawless.. changed the lithium battery.. and siliconed all the electrical inputs .. it's on par [rear derailleur] to my ultegra d12 .

@seraph4581 2 ай бұрын

Very good to hear that, I'm looking forward on getting this groupset in the future. Never thought I'd be able to afford anything even close to Di2 performance

@richiejames928 2 ай бұрын

How can you say flawless and then go on to say you had to silicone all the inputs to make it waterproof….. that’s a pretty MAJOR flaw. 😂 laughable.

@philipsimmonds1103 2 ай бұрын

@richiejames928 .. thus .. it's 'flawless'.. I took some information and created a solution.. I've also tweaked my shimano..

@richiejames928 2 ай бұрын

@@philipsimmonds1103 haha wow.

@edymarkonthego4096 2 ай бұрын

Seems identical. Let see if the performance and longevity testing make the difference.

@dennisvangenabith Ай бұрын

Any ideas if there will be a new eGR blue edition be released anytime soon? Many thanks, Dennis

@carlogalopo2605 2 ай бұрын

I hope they release a mountain bike edition

@seanwatson8831 Ай бұрын

Need a tt blip version,thatll be awesome

@godwindracing6056 2 ай бұрын

5:33 you now got a pair of AMSR musical instruments with those shifters

@zerstorer78 Ай бұрын

Any idea when the new version will be in retail?

@jrmhng 2 ай бұрын

Are these compatible with SRAM apex cassettes, cranksets and road flattop chains?

@SamuelBlackMetalRider 2 ай бұрын

Quintessential China Cycling video 👌🏼

@jasonxiong8259 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if my fully external frame can install this half-wireless group set since I really want my bike to be upgraded to electronic but not ends up bank broken😂

@Zammmmzounmmm 2 ай бұрын

+1 to know release date and if the er9 will get similar update

@jiggamanjnu1on1 2 ай бұрын

I’m not against L-TWOO but they should do more testing before releasing a final product so it can build that trust with the consumers. (That goes to other Chinese manufacturers also.)

@philipsimmonds1103 2 ай бұрын

Shimano sram pinarello trek giant are all manufactured in china .. 94% of all bikes/components come from them .. 'trust' ,isn't an issue.

@jiggamanjnu1on1 2 ай бұрын

@@philipsimmonds1103 oops I guess I worded it wrong.. “Up and coming” Chinese brands cause those brands that you mentioned been tried and trued that’s why they obviously hold their names.

@philipsimmonds1103 2 ай бұрын

@jiggamanjnu1on1 yes .. when I buy shimano I have confidence.. l2 I knew there would b challenges .. ps l2 app is way better than shimano in adjusting shifts .

@kozmicbluescali1 2 ай бұрын

Hi, is the industry going to consider 1X chain rings for road bicycles, ? Because of the simplicity, aesthetics, practicality and lightness?

@treyquattro 2 ай бұрын

big comparo with the equivalent SRAM and Shimano groupset?

@TheBarnCarsandBicycles Ай бұрын

what is cost? or price range? shipping to USA? seems like a great competitor to DA. Most likely at 1/2 the cost?

@Keksator 2 ай бұрын

I can only hope it works if I order it

@scherzo0o 2 ай бұрын

the capacity? what is the biggest cog it can shift in the rear?

@Dobiecx 2 ай бұрын

When will it be available?

@xuchenglin6256 2 ай бұрын

Looks interesting... One question (actually 2): is the brake compatible with existing Shimano calipers??? what I mean is can I just buy an pair of levers and RD and FD, put them on, and then I'll have wireless electronic shifting with the same old actual brake??? The second question is how safe in your opinion as of the "Brake"??? You know the worst of worst is a break failure when you going down hill at car speed... I had one when I accidentally ran out the brake pads, it's just so scary... that when it's metal-on-metal there's basically no stopping power! I managed to a stop luckily with my foot and other brake, almost crash into the corner, which is the side of the mountain... Though this is human error but it's just to show how critical the brake is... How do you think these products (including the other similar brand, forget the name) will hold in a day to day, sub 0 winter to 40C summer, year over year, seriously hard use situation??? Would these brakes last just as Shimano ones and Sram ones, which is basically forever for average rider, or is it somewhat skeptical, or at least nobody has ever "tested"??? It's funny though that I actually have 0 concern of the electronic shifting part, it's just step motor easy stuff... Well but for the hydraulic brake part... I don't know why I just don't have the confidence, and I actually live in China... 🤣Maybe it's the experience of too many years with "Chinese Quality" leaves a huge shadow over the now better stuff???...

@victorfulgencio6029 2 ай бұрын

when and where can I buy that groupset

@ADVRaiderKTM 2 ай бұрын

Can you please do an update on Wheeltop EDS?

@mikebrundt6931 2 ай бұрын

TT option when?

@maustar6746 Ай бұрын

A real problem with this brand (and nearly the same for Sensah) is the lack of a good of services around the products. No decent Web sites, nearly no post sales assistance, no organized technical information, nothing. I do not pretend having all this in my native language (Italian) but english will be sufficient. Sensah have something but L-twoo nearly nothing. For comparison, other chinese brands (e.g. Winspace) have all these things, witch IMHO are very important.

@kimwarner6050 2 ай бұрын

Joe can the gravel groupset be setup to shift like scram. Up on the right shifter and down with the left shifter

@justineseiferth8010 2 ай бұрын

Yes, you can reprogram which lever does what. Doesn't have two sets of switches though (more like wrap setup than di2 hoods)

@kimwarner6050 2 ай бұрын

@@justineseiferth8010 thank you

@amol4184 2 ай бұрын

They seem to push ERX a lot. Will the ER9 get same updates? ERX isn't that light or better than ER9 anyway.

@touzenjodan Ай бұрын

I believe that if you purchase such devices from overseas, there will be legal problems with radio waves, but are the regulations in each country lax?

@ChinaCycling Ай бұрын

As long as they don't use any frequencies that they shouldn't use, I think the risk is low.

@ariffau 2 ай бұрын

Indsutrial design wise, shifter gets a solid 10/10. But RD and FD are hideous. So boxy and square. Calipers makeover is well done!

@2ninjamoz Ай бұрын

does new fd work with the old erx? my fd sucks

@billmaidment5623 2 ай бұрын

How about some hydro rim brakes for updating old bikes?

@fpgamemearray 2 ай бұрын

no manufacturer developed hydro rims after sram back in the day. i'm sure there are niche products but it wouldn't really make sense for them. I hope they consider a cable actuated version for mechanical brakes, this would cover both rim brake and entry level disc brakes (which are still cable actuated) and would thus be relevant for decades to come

@bikesavvy3654 2 ай бұрын

Can you do a video of the build

@michaelybanez3240 2 ай бұрын

When will it be available at panda podium.

@ChinaCycling 2 ай бұрын

I got a few different answers from L-Twoo... so... watch this space.

@endtimeslips4660 2 ай бұрын

with that new group set probably i guest the new build bigrock will be sub 6 kilo

@tteitei 2 ай бұрын

Do they make a rim brake version?

@leeroyjenkins7915 2 ай бұрын

virtually nobody will heavily invest in rim brakes in the future. They will stay as part of pro cycling but the production agenda for consumers only knows disc brakes for the future. You can find cheap/garage sale Magura RT8 (mineral oil) or RED 22 Hydraulic Rim Brake (DOT) and attach them instead of hydraulic disc brake calipers and you get a rim brake electronic version.

@itsmepickles 2 ай бұрын

No rim brake option in the works? Shame

@rugiOHHHH 2 ай бұрын

gotta water test this new one.

@manfrommontreal 2 ай бұрын

Big Rock ⛰⛰⛰

@christophbosshard4028 2 ай бұрын

Go Joe! 😀

@dbgrand 2 ай бұрын

I would like to receive this new version for test. It will match my frame colors perfectly. If anyone in Ltwoo is reading this please contact me.

@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte 2 ай бұрын

they have a pretty fast turn around

@travispyle2905 2 ай бұрын

My concern is the Pre-release aspect of this "Blue" version... And the Major reliability issues with the Pre-release version of the older units. Please provide an update long term review of the originial ERX. Great to hear the EGX is going good with no issue.!!! That is huge news and should be more focused on. I don't really care if it 50 grams heavier or lighter, we just need it to work. Also another plug for a slightly cheaper road 1by ERX (crit racers don't need a front derailleur). But because you brought up the weight, would be curious to see how this compares to 105/rival electric groupsets. Love the videos!

@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 2 ай бұрын

This is huge in cycling.

@mikelohmeyer4140 2 ай бұрын

You need to finish off the build with a set of Kom bike pedals from Pitbull bike pedal. Free just for you:-)

@ChinaCycling 2 ай бұрын

Haha, if they hit me up on Instagram i'll give them a try!

@mikelohmeyer4140 2 ай бұрын

Just give me an address and a set will be on their way for your opinion. Thanks!

@PatrickLino 2 ай бұрын

Subscribing again.

@wtfiswiththosehandles 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for letting us know.

@PatrickLino 2 ай бұрын

@@wtfiswiththosehandles you're welcome.

@DenzCasuela 2 ай бұрын

L-TWOO eRX Holo

@WeRideSouth 2 ай бұрын

This is what Joe is calling the "blue edition".

@pawelodz8050 2 ай бұрын

Why so many days awaiting? 😂

@nochancecw 2 ай бұрын

Re-brand by selling to a major bike brand. In house groupset to keep costs lower on their bikes. Force SRAM and Shimano to bring down prices. This is what I hope for.

@who_squad9865 2 ай бұрын

I dont now but it seems like they took some influence from Shimano😂

@jaredfontaine2002 2 ай бұрын

Rim brake???

@Carftymk 2 ай бұрын

nope sorry. but wheeltop will have electronic rim brake

@tubularmonkeymaniac 2 ай бұрын

Would love to be able to buy their higher end gear, but they have burnt so many consumers, at this point I'd rather spend more money on something that has a better record.

@Carftymk 2 ай бұрын

the font you use has absolutely garbage numbers. the 1 and the 7 look VERY similar @ 8:58