Russia blindly trust india and give sophisticated technology. India must maintain the trust and do proper inquiry

Security must be careful as not only indian technology but also russia trust is on stake. Do the needful and jail the anti national.

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Bc inko publically faasi honi chahiye.

for few green bucks and asshole our some dept will give anything

@@Jefe-Grande who said anything about NATO being behind anything buddy

​@@parveshkumar5423 he has 2 brain cell😂

​@@prabhuraaj101good analysis. It's the west's hand here.

Just keep working on our economy and the military is enough to tackle this weak alliance. Maldives in good conscience won't want a war coming to its tiny islands. China and turkey may use this as a launch pad for their benefits but when india counters people of Maldives will be ones to pay, the same is applicable for Bangladesh as both are in our backyard. And not all in Maldives and Bangladesh are foolish enough to go behind religion and money by sacrificing their peace and prosperity.

yeah in 3200 kaveri will be ready...

So true!

So true!

We all want this to come true but it never happened. AMCA is just like a dream.

At least by 2050!!

India should scuttle the failed tejas program and go for Grpen assembly line.. and then rafael line.... how long we gonna fund thhe last chance aircraft.

No american engine will be a big relief for tejas sales

Blah blah blah...Kaveri is just a renamed GE engines.

Pta nahi Kab hoga

And refuelling line

@@Jefe-Grande i doubt whether this will proceed as planned. This will be time consuming and by that time it is available, no use. These guys think next year they will have this engine and start replacing 🙂

5 years is too short

@@vaimurthy They're only going to modify the existing core. NOT a clean sheet design.. The core offers potential too. Unfortunately, India doesn't have FTB, Wind tunnel test facility n stuff..

@@humungous09 Exactly, it will take many more years

pushing the thrust is easy but making it efficiency is the difficult part that require multiple trial and error but the fund is like peanut and people working on that lack work discipline. decision is taken by too many individual thus some negative and positive. so let only a few to run the program would help.

@@Jefe-Grande You have missed the point completely which I stated clearly. I am not comparing the fighter jets or even the engines themselves. I am stating that you can't just use a single spec of total thrust (that too afterburner thrust) as the sole criteria to select an engine. Thrust to weight ratio is as critcal as the total thrust because a heavier engine with larger thrust will perform worse than a lighter engine that has higher thrust. In addition, service life and maintenance requirements, self-diagnostics and unit costs are all important considerations. So the issue is you misunderstood the moot point and went after comparing engines rather than how the parameters scale up and interplay. I specifically said "The point is that the specs are nuanced and thrust alone is not the final arbiter of suitability". How did you miss that? The Kavery had sufficient thrust since 2015-2016. But it was too heavy. Thats why it was rejected. It even had better service life and lower maintenance than the Russian engines IAF is used to.

@@Jefe-Grande As far a project management and funding goes; the MoD as well as air-force have much of the blame. Both of them have been moving the goal posts and changing specs and not funding the program in earnest or committing to procuring numbers upon hitting milestones. The DRDO has far exceeded the original specification. The funding as well as unrealistic development expectations are prime reasons for the delays. No nation has gone from zero aviation industry to jet engine design and production within 15 years. They wanted it done in 5. Then reality struck them after 10 years. The problem is seen in both the Tejas project as well as the engine programe. The Indian defense establishment is notorious to come up with procurement specifications which allow only a single vendor's single model to pass the screening. They have often been taken to court over this and single vendor procurements end up with investigations. they have a fetish for imported brands (including public subsidized liquor) and its mostly the government (parliament) shoving indigenous products down the military's throat. No nation's military has ever become a major global power by importing everything that is critical for war fighting. Even now, GTRE has no buyers or a target project. They are just developing it for the sake of the technology. They have not been given a specific target. The Tejas program is firm on F-404 / F-414. The AMCA is already designed for F-414 uprated to 125KN. Where does it leave the GTRE engine? Just the drone project and the HLFT light trainer / fighter. A 91KN afterburning engine is mostly an overkill for an attack drone but perfect for an attack drone without the afterburner section. I don't think they are developing the engine for any actual aircraft.

@@Jefe-Grande There is an issue with that. You can have a purely R&D organization when your entire country is industrialized and the public in general has really high skill levels. That is not the case with us. The Tejas program created a complete industrial ecosystem that is being leveraged for AMCA and now the same is helping bring in Airbus and Boeing sub assembly work. When Indian industries have no interest in R&D, the Government has to step up it's game to make up for the lack of public capacity as well. There is no choice in that regard. While you are correct that the PSU's are based on the Soviet planned economy system, they have become essential production centers with no present alternatives. I still don't think GTRE project is futile. What do you think happens when you are sanctioned and have no spares for the engines? We are not getting 100% of the tech. In fact, the 404's are being imported in its entirety. Lacking domestic alternative is unacceptable. The knowledge base of complete end to end design, metallurgy and manufacturing of jet engines is only known to GTRE personnel. No one else in the entire nation comes anywhere remotely close to that. So it's essential to complete the work and build skill set and the industrial ecosystem.

@@Aerrow62 Wow, really nice discussion from both

India is the new Israel... Only thing is Israel has unconditional American backing. India is on its own.

Relying on USA was a mistake in kargil

Yes a great news indeed. Replacing american engine should be done at earliest

@@Vartik-tq1du replacing reliable US engine for an engine which will take many years to be available is best decision. Thank god, forces does not think like you

@@vaimurthy yes very reliable that within 3 years use it crashed our reliable tejas

@@vaimurthy yes very reliable that it made out tejas crash within 3 years

@@Vartik-tq1du Compare that with the record of russian junks. mig 21 crashed 500 times. check the same record for Su 30 as well. You will know.

As per reports Greece already offered three ports to India to buy one of them.

@@animeshortnightcoresunburn1138 if that's true than we can have a port at turkeys backyard

Not to Greece but to Taiwan.

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What's wrong with his doubt? Kaveri is a must have for us but we're repeatedly delaying it and going with OEM engines

@@Mahan-Bharatiya I am not a chinese bot. We hear a lot about kaveri engine..but it's progress is painstakingly slow.. Maybe because modern turbofan jet engine technology is too complicated to master..

​@@Simbathelionking-so1xpthe reason is mainly the pace of defence PSU's and also funding which was halted since the last 12 years or so

Dry varient of Kaveri had passed all parameters in 2021-22 and is under serial production to get used in Ghatak UCAV prototypes.

The video says The dry thrust is 57 kn for kaveri and dry thrust of f404 is 47 kn, the one you are mentioning is afterburner of f404 i.e. 84 kn , 27 kn gap, the video claim 91 kn afterburner for kaveri, but it still on paper and doesn't achieved till now.

yeah by 3200 it will be ready for first test....

@@Jefe-Grande Also economic investments will help party to get power not defense spending. I still think we should allocate 2.5% from 1.8%

We still have a near 6% of GDP fiscal deficit Lots more required in health & education

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Kaveri 2.0

We can and we should , India as a nation shouldn't be shy of taking any risk , especially when we have huge manpower ready in defence of our nation . Unless risk taking ability is increased new technological achievements wouldn't be possible. All advanced nations take a lot of calculated risks , even Chinese and Russians do so , it's important in national interests.

@@bmmilind4333 The reluctance was there with the IAF regarding reliability. Wonder if they are OK with it now.

@@Parasuram5 doesn't matter as I said , even with less than 100% reliability we should take a chance , although I care and wish the safety of Pilots , but as I said national interests is best served with taking risks , as risks taken during peace time is less costly than losses that happen in actual war time actions .

@@bmmilind4333 It does not work that way. One accident will bring the reputation down. Reason why there are only few engine manufacturers

dont worry ,, by the time(3200) Kaveri is developed,, We will be importing space aircrafts,,, kaveri will be technology demonstrator....like obese Arjun, obsolete teajas . underpowered vikrant,, and low quality pinaka and trishul and nag

Al51 is a completely new engine with different dimensions and compatible for 5th gen only. India had offer of al41 but IAF went with Al31 again because 85% of the engine is made in india and we have complete supply line made in india. For al41 we will have start again the whole process.

For Bangladesh the biggest defence suppliers were China and Russia. Now that Russia is too busy fighting a war with NATO supported Ukraine they can no longer sell the amount they did before (plus their weapons have not proved too great in the battle field), Bangladesh is replacing Russia with Turkey. So Bangladesh will in the future buy advanced weapons from China and Turkey, joy Bangladesh.

Very true. In 2019 also pakistan 16 jets(f16) were against a single su30 in air. And still 16 Pakistan f16 could not shoot down an alone su30. Meanwhile su30 defended 6 bombs launched by PAF and evaded 5 amraam missiles easily. Excellent agility and radar capabilities these russian birds have.

@@SomeGuy-yb3sl That excellent radar capability could not lock on one F16 and it has to evade incoming missiles 🙂

@@vaimurthy mig 21 radar was more modern right? That shot down f16 easily🤣

@@SomeGuy-yb3sl Why most powerful jet Su 30 could not attack is the question? Why it has to run away?

@@vaimurthy yes i accept mig 21 is more powerful than su30😁