Good advice.

Yes, cutting edge technology will make u bleed.

Same thoughts here.

No. The problems are unfortunate. However, never buy from a country that should build boats instead of cars. I’ve never seen a UK dealers cars that don’t spend more time in the garage than on the road. Here in Canada for the rough winters and off-roading…. I’d buy a Toyota. Not a garbage car.

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Same Herr 👍

Here i meant

This is progress because it looks old and it "aparents" to be old-school technology, but in reality you and I know this is overrated... So yeah... It's not progress, is just progress to the manufacturer pocket. This should be costing like 32-40k tops, this proofs how tendencies and media works to promote things...

I've had 5 and still love my 110 😉

It’s a great bit of kit - 3k mls in on mine and it’s been faultless

Almost can’t give defenders away in Australia, way too unreliable, dusty and almost no dealership support ( ie reluctant support)

Bonjour , Quels problèmes gênants avez vous ?

The vague steering comment completely baffles me. After 2000 miles in my Grenadier I have never felt the steering to be an issue. Might be down to me having driven older Defenders since the early 80's.

@@dipseadiver that'll be it!!

You don't need an off road vehicle if 95% of your driving is on tarmac . Twat!

The vague steering has been noted in all serious reviews since this vehicle has been available to review.

Such a small engine though

Are you sure this doesn't depend on model? There's a difference between the 5-seat commercially rated station wagon and the 5-seat passenger station wagon. The former is obviously aimed at farmers and I'd be surprised if Ineos haven't made sure they can get a vat rebate on it.

@@idabrit I am a farmer and cancelled mine because the ‘certified commercial’ five seater with reduced second row legroom and panel sides does not qualify for VAT and tax relief due to not having the required one ton carrying capacity. It has killed the commercial version and the forthcoming pickup stone dead in the UK. The DVLA decision to class the passenger version as a commercial is just as damaging due to the speed limit and insurance issues raised. In my opinion the Grenadier is doomed as far as any commercially viable sales go after the initial excitement dies down, which will be very rapid.

I’ve bought a Toyota gr86 as a run around until I choose another adventure vehicle.

How's it going now? They have been doing a reasonable job of correcting problems.

they are nice, the GX drinks more gas than this wish the GX had no 3rd row

I’ve had old shape defenders not new ones. I’m holding out for the new Land Cruiser. I’ve bought a gr86 in the mean time.

@@thebrandtour1469 oh nooo Rusty Cruiser is already rusting on the factory line. LC's body sheets are not galvanized, unlike Ineos. Toyotas are red from rust underneath after the first winter.

It seems that either this is an opinion paid for by Ineos' competitors (Jeep, Land Cruisers from Toyota), or the now unsatisfied former owner of the Grenadier doesn't really know what he wants. After selling Grenadier, he bought... Toyota GR86. Apparently, it meets his expectations more than Ineos. Like you, I am also rooting for the manufacturer of Ineos, because he has done the impossible: he stood like David against Goliath. A small manufactory versus big corporations, with incalculable budgets for "black PR". Jaguar Land Rover (JLR), Jeep and Toyota were all in an uproar when Sir Radcliffe (Ineosa's manufacturer) faced a positive response from potential customers who had been waiting years for a real off-roader, and a plastic toy for teenagers like the Wrangler JK or JL. JLR, in an act of desperation, filed a lawsuit against Ineos - which is downright pathetic and infantile. Toyota quickly designed the Land Cruiser J25 to bounce some clientele back to Ineos for a new retro-style offroader. Jeep is just looking at it (maybe it will learn its lessons and end the toy-like interior design and design it along the lines of the Grenadier or at least the Commander XK/XH). Unfortunately, Ineos hit a very difficult time for the company's development - a pandemic, war in Russia and Ukraine (a potentially huge market), the West vs. China trade war, Brexit (tariffs in the EU), the specter of a great recession in the white man's countries, and who knows if not the Third World War, have seriously hampered Grenadier's debut. For my part, I wish them the best. Ineos Grenadier is the first car that was not manufactured to stretch the owner on service costs - the owner gets full documentation and access to the car's diagnostics. In addition, he can service it at any Bosch Services. A car for the owner, not a greedy corporation.

For me the new shape defenders are a lot nicer and more comfortable. If you’ve owned an old defender you will enjoy this more. Let me know how you get on with it.

Should be £30k cheaper

@@sheepdogman1 maybe pre covid inflation spiral

@@sheepdogman1 and I wish Patek Philippe’s were still 10k …

Not strictly true - my 2009 Puma station wagon is PLG

@@MattsBrabusl think it came in with the 2.2 Puma in 2011.

Hi, I’m in Australia I can understand your disappointment. If u placed your order that long ago, it would have been well before price rises etc Original pricing in Australia, included LCT. Then, ( in mid 2022 ? ) when Ineos advised of getting LCT exemption, prices came down. But, not long after this, they then had the first of a few price rises… Seems as though a few stuff ups happened at dealer level and HO level, if they were going to build your vehicle, in a spec that was not what u ordered ?? My understanding is that a logical process was in place with customers who had placed an order, which meant that the model / specs / options u want, we’re confirmed a few times, particularly when it got to the point of Australian HO needing to confirm what they wanted built for people who had already ordered a Grenadier, in the past ?? It’s now June. Grenadier is in Australia, but still no deliveries ! Why ? I’m hearing of 2 possible major issues # 1 Payload is under 1 tonne, so Grenadier should not be classed as a Commercial vehicle, which gets it LCT exemption. If the LCT exemption does not happen, Ineos would need to go back to every customer, and advise that the vehicle will now be at least $ 10 k more ! People won’t cop that # 2 Back in 2021, it was announced in Australia that ADR would make it compulsory for any all New Passenger vehicle to have AEB, by March 2023. Seems as though Ineos have missed that date ! Ineos originally expected to have Grenadier in Australia by end of 2022, so they were not worried about the March 2023 cut off date, and Commercial vehicles don’t need to comply with this new ADR requirement regarding AEB… But Commercial vehicle status now up in the air, and it’s past March 2023. Ineos Australia might be trying to sort out a huge problem Hence why NO Grenadier have got to dealers for customer deliveries… 🤷🏻‍♂️

It’s a great product and I love mine

If the contract was wrong, you shouldn't have signed.

@@shawtravis7384 c’mon - he’s misordered and perhaps got the wrong end of the stick with the dealer We all make mistakes Try and be less troll-like and be forgiving - he’s obviously upset

I’ve had the same experience when my contract was different to the vehicle spec on the ineos portal. I’ve been waiting 6 weeks for a revised contract. Ineos were very apologetic.

yep, way overpriced!

this is 100% more expensive then a mid spec'ed defender new

@@3ddiy So the Defender costs nothing then? I always thought a mid spec Defender was of a similar amount to the Grenadier.

@@dipseadiver 100% isn't literal 2x the cost. it was to say it is confidently more expensive then a mid spec defender in the US. A mid spec defender is 80k. If you spec'ed out a grenadier not even with everything. Just a trial master with say some extra bits its more expensive than 80k, and thats not including destination taxes or anything else the dealership in the us might price on top. I also wouldn't even consider the grenadier similar spec to a mid tier defender. Its probably closer to the barebones stock defender that comes in around 55k. Defender is just a better value for me. Others can argue the value of the grenadier. But it really just feels like early adopter small volume tax to me. Also considering how much they originally wanted it to be which is 60k. Which is an indicator of their original intent and value of the car. The raise in the cost from ineos isn't reflective of the pricing they had in Europe. The cost overall from auto companies across the globe has gone up from the pandemic and inflation. But not at the high rate that ineos taken to raise the cost. I just can't help to wonder about Sir Jim Ratcliffs financial issues with laws being passed that would hurt his oil company. Or his money spent on Man U. That he wants to make more income on grenadier now vs down the road. usually new auto companies will go with opening an IPO to get investment for growth. But here it just feels like the first buyers are the ones subsidizing the growth with no return just a depreciating car. I'm still keen on following along cause as production grows and initial interest fade the prices will have to come down for people who dropped out initially to be interested to come back. Love to see what they do with the pick up and a smaller SUV that will have to be a completely different platform and not be ladder frame if it wants to be electric. Cause then they will be competing in a even more crowded market as Rivian is coming out with a smaller SUV, defender has a fully electric coming in the next year or so and so will Jeep.

@@3ddiy Firstly, please let me apologise for my flippant comment regarding 100% discounts. In UK, if something costs £100.00 and I get a 50% discount, the item will cost me £50.00. Therefore, 100% discount.... The point is I was being an arse and there was no excuse for that. Regarding Defender or Grenadier. I don't think there is really any debate. If you want a beautiful design, brilliant on road handling, good residual's whilst in warranty, credibility at the mall or school yard, it has to be the new Defender. If however, you want something more brutalist, individual, focussed, 'out from the crowd', the Grenadier is the one to go for. It is not a Defender rival. It is more a cut price, old school G-Wagon. Perhaps the Jeep would be a closer competitor than the Defender. On the pricing front. Here in the UK Defenders of an equivalent spec are far more expensive than the Grenadier and come with the added worry that they will not actually get you to your destination. I haven't yet seen, in any of the forums I follow, a breakdown involving an actual breakdown or recovery of the new Grenadier. I already own the new Grenadier and consider it a worthy successor to my old style Defender. For you I suspect you will be much happier with the new Tesla Cyber truck or whatever you choose. 'Horses for courses', as we say in the UK.

try going to Scotland....any ANPR based speeding system will do you

@@shaungilmartin1505 I don't think so, I live in Scotland, I've run VW Amaroks since 2017, around 100k miles in Scotland, use the A9 regularly, pass mobile traps regularly, never had a problem.

I’ve gone for the 2 seater as well. I’ll be interested to see how yours looks ply lined as I’m wanting to do similar. Do you have any ideas or sketches as to how your going to get it to fit round the arches and rear doors etc ? Thanks Olly.

They did hide the kerb weight for as long as possible though didn't they. Is it in the brochure now?

@@stevemumbling7720 it’s difficult to state the curb weight as the configuration system offers a number of OEM options that would result in a significant increase in weight; namely the front winch (plus updated suspension), the bumpers for other markets (which are steel), and other accessories such as rock sliders , different wheel/tyre types etc. they all weigh more, so it would be as confusing as the government’s guidance on speed limits for car derived vans and dual purpose vehicles. I’m not making excuses for Ineos or their representative suppliers; I suspect they may have dropped a small bollock there, but as previously mentioned, customers (for every product that falls under ambiguous legislation) need to do their homework first, as best they can, before signing along the dotted line. However, with hindsight not being an option, I’m grateful that you’ve raised the topic for the rest of us. Such a pity you had to find out the way you did. Again, good luck.

@@Grenadier2024 Hi Olly. I have my Mercedes Citan vans ply lined when ordering from my dealer. But there are plenty of ply lining companies who can offer a bespoke lining, as long as they have access to either the vehicle or precise measurements. I’m awaiting a response from Gearmate (UK company) whom I’ll be asking to design and produce a shelving/split level module for the cargo area. I carry a number of pelicases and solar generators, so will need both robust and secure racking etc. I’ll let you know how I get on (once my Grenny arrives; hopefully Aug/Sept). Robin.

@@robinireland810 I suppose they could have stated an approximate weight range for different models with different accessories. This is the first time I have heard of different speed restrictions for different weight commercial vehicles. We don't have that here in Australia.

I think the problem was that HMRC weren't on board but VOSA were, so you've got LGV speed limits but can't reclaim the VAT.

@@johnhebenton1525 That is exactly right for the two 'certified commercial’ versions. Not too sure why the van version, the one with no second row seats, doesn’t qualify with HMRC but for the panelled five seater it is because it has way below the minimum payload limit required of at least one ton. The empty weight of the Grenadier, of often 2.9 tons, only gives a 600kg payload while remaining within the 3.5 ton maximum laden weight limit for this class of vehicle and driving license category. Shouldn’t make any difference to the van but is all important for a vehicle with a second row of seats.

Thanks for watching. I hear the cyber trucks are starting deliveries very very soon. Not sure they will make it to the uk sadly.

Give it a wide berth

Those seem like really quite different vehicle choices. Mind you I can't imagine anyone who's buying the cybertruck as a serious vehicle rather than for its looks?

@@cjeam9199 I feel like the cybertruck looks incomplete. Like they just got the metal sheets fresh from the factory, welded it on and called it day lol. Looks hideous

It won’t be. Hopefully they might sort some of the quality issues given that everyone is saying the same and improve their customer service. I’m 99% certain the pick-up will still be too heavy to be able to do normal speed limits but one can hope.

@@thebrandtour1469 The speed limit laws are out of date and need to be reviewed. A 38 seater bus can be driven at 70MPH on a dual carriageway but a Ford Transit Connect is limited to 60MPH,

I agree. Thanks.

He is describing the regulations for a dual purpose commercial vehicle. Ie van with 2nd row of seats with rear windows or 4wd vehicles. 2040kg max unlaiden without fuel or driver.

I thought even the full commercials version of the Grenadier would count as a car derived van. Do the Discovery commercials not?

@@MrJordanwain no they don’t, they’re well over 2 tonnes unladen, let alone max weight.

@@simono4991 that makes sense - thinking of the old Astra, Corsa, Fiesta and Punto vans which weigh about the same as an alloy wheel on a new Discovery commercial 😂

28mpg. That’s in the UK.

But that is Insane Socialist laws in Europe. Not insanity that is endured in the rest of the world.

Speed camera vans and modern fixed cameras as well as portable police cameras such as used by patrol officers from cars or motorbikes are linked to the DVLA, so automatically take account of the appropriate speed limit for the vehicle. Lorries are mostly limited to 56mph these days while buses can drive at 70 on motorways like cars. Cars and vans do exceed speed limits but a proportion, in the thousands, get caught and fines nationwide daily.

That’s crazy money.

Even more expensive then the New Defender

There are way more and worse issues than mentioned in this video like how you the side windows are so low you can't even look out them without lowering your head in an uncomfortable position.

@@Redneck_Wizard I’ll just stick with my defender thanks

I’ve put my name on the list for the new Land Cruiser. Looks cool.

Direct line took 5 mins on mine

Yeah. You are correct.

It’s very vague and doesn’t self centre.

Yes, but the actual “certified commercial” versions do not qualify in the UK with HMRC for VAT rebate or business tax relief either.

Problem was we were so early, what they told us about the station wagon not being commercial wasn’t right at time of purchase. We could have pulled out but would have lost space in the que and had to pay the new inflated prices. We took the gamble. Lesson learnt. If you watch my first video on it you will see what we do like and don’t like about it.