Also the diff locks are a"faf!" When you need to use diff locks you don't care if they're a faf you're thankful to God that you've got them and you're going to get home. As it says in the title. ITS NOT A SUV

My 2003 Mercedes ML had a electric low range switch.Worked extremely well.

@@thia1963 of course every Mercedes ML ever made is still roadworthy and currently crossing the savanna and outbacks of Africa and Australia. Ever heard the phrase “Keep it simple stupid”?

@@Br1anuk My Mercedes never let me down, since when have most 4x4 owners crossed the Sahara. A bigoted remark.

easy fix to the footwell issue the other footwell doesn't have the hump created by the exhaust routing. you folks just need to learn to drive on the correct side of the road

These days people spend 60k plus on Wranglers and the new Broncos nicely optioned are not far off. (welcome to the high inflation era) The Grenadier has better interior quality and seems to be engineered to a high standard. Plus, built in France with German components will command more money. Jeep and Ford manufacture engines/ gearboxes in Mexico and people don't mind paying high dollar for those 4x4s.

It is priced more than the wrangler

20k for a new pick up, who will buy this is beyond me.

@@diesel92kj1 trust me the US market the same one that cries all the time about inflation yet buy broncos with 11 grand markups will eat this up.

Agree, but as Ineos say themselves, 60%+ of buyers will be 'lifestylers' and lifestylers are used to certain SUV creature comforts and are likely to be turned off by not having at least some of the convenience features available.

Yawn.

@@evoermine thanks for your stunning contribution to the discussion 🙄🙄🙄

@@GarySlegg if the Defender had been like the Ineos it wouldn’t have sold in the numbers needed for Land Rover. There’s a reason why JLR went down the route they did - volume sales.

@@evoermine But I yawn you even more because I will buy a fully lladed Ineos Grenadier anyway.

@@evoermine and in doing that they are slowly eroding the ethos of what a Land Rover is. The Defender shouldn't be a "volume sales" car, it should be a halo model that defines what the brand is so that people who want to be associated with that ethos, but don't want the compromises that buying such a vehicle entails, will continue to buy Freelanders, Evoques etc in their droves. By turning the Defender into an SUV Land Rover are undermining their own legacy.

Exactly. First he says he doesn't want an SUV, then he says he wants his comforts! smh

Nobody does that anymore, except maybe Jeep Wrangler and Toyota Tacoma

I think if they offered a stripped down version, like the county spec Def, it would sell very well, to both private and commercial buyers.

This is the first Gen. They need to recoup R&D and tooling costs by selling them to rich country-estate owning feckers.

David, hope you have the £70k to stump-up - that’s a bit of a shocker!

Sadly I don’t. That’s going to be their biggest downfall unfortunately. Although, if it lasts as long as they say, 10-15 years then it might be worth the investment. Although I’d like to see them put their money where their mouth is and offer 15 year loans to bring the cost down.

@@MatthewThirteenFourtyFour sadly, at that cost I think you will see many of these on the Cheshire and Surrey school runs, as it will become a rich man’s toy. Most ordinary country folks will have to settle for pick-up trucks and old battered Defenders.

I think you’re right. Just looked and with inflation, a factory defender from 2016 was 33k and would be 39k today. So maybe if you bought the commercial one with no options, that’s 55k. Given they aren’t jlr with the existing manufacturing line and expertise, it’s actually not a bad price. Just a shame how much everything costs these days

Yep 80 k us for that lol maybe shouldn’t have put those expensive BMW parts in a bare bones vehicle

It will be for sure. This feels very well built. Something similiar to a lexus.

The modern Defender has already willingly stablished itself as the "BMW GS" of Land Rover, a vehicle so vaguely reminiscent of what it one was, yet so ridiculously priced, that its natural habitat is now the streets of Kensington and the parking of Harrods. G Wagens still retains its 4x4 blood but costs virtually double of the already overpriced Defender, which leaves a target market that even surpasses the wealth of an average luxury vehicle owner.

@@Mister.Unknown Because these marques seen and seeded market for this suv mess cannibalizing real offroaders and station wagons on both sides while replacing status car role from luxury saloons. Range Rover was the start, everyone copied it, and honed in rest of line ups to crossovers and suvs as they finaly found out what most women car is, from all ranges of wealth. High riding, "secure", "kill the other person" barn onwheels, or car that fakes these qualities well enough(all crossovers). In america it also affected pick up trucks similarily. End result is more money for them and little or no choice who legitimately need and want a proper car be it true offroader, manual transmission sporty wagons, or compact workhorse cheap pickup truck. All these are virtually gone, and even if some stranglers exist they are expensive. While this featureless SUV/crossover blob grows cannibilizing more and more of segments that used to exist and be affordable(B segment super mini wagons for example, we used tp get 207SWs, Ibiza wagon, Fabia wagon all these are gone as new cars). Its just a disaster... Things like Grenadier are a bit of hope, but its not so.ethong that can happen for too many more lost kinds of vehicles...

97 Cherokee here - agreed on all points!

I think he was reviewing this as if it was a luxury sports car, he was wanting modern luxuries in a vehicle designed to do what the original defender was designed for.

Agreed, more info...

About £70k starting price and less than 20mpg for the petrol engine - hope you haven’t spat out your coffee!

Agreed, they’re a complete waste of time. I live in chilly Scotland and on freezing mornings with a leather steering wheel, it’s only about 10 seconds of mild discomfort at the worst.

You don't have a lot of choice with developed world emissions legislation but to have an electronically complicated engine. Anyone who has the diesel in a country that permits it would be wise to delete the DPF and EGR though.

Some of, lol, its near identical but that's a good thing as I love the defender design and this company has added modern comforts like comfy seating and Satnav and modern audio system.

Not popular in the USA, I used to see Defenders all the time they were very popular. Now I have seen ONE new model in the last few months.

I always hear about " muh safety".. proper buyers know limitations of design and don't give 2 craps about IHST results or NCAP scores... only people who won't buy them anyways scream that garbage

Hi Steve. In my opinion it looks like the review don’t fully understand the dynamics that comes with hard-core solid axle 4x4,s. Most of the dislikes mentioned comes as spart of the package and don’ really bother buyers in this segment. We don’t expect a soft roader SUV to be brilliant off-road either.

100%

Indeed, just like James Dyson, another hypocrite.

Knowing this, if advocate not buying this vehicle.

I'll be surprised If I ever see one. Wouldn't buy. Too niche. Crummy video.

When Nike stopped selling yank Nikes and farmed them out to China I learned a valuable business lesson Nobody cares what you think, the idiots that buy the latest crap will buy these regardless of your views

It will be way slower because of the extra weight which will negatively affect 0-60 times.A Land Cruiser or new Defender is better able to manage extra weight while retaining the creature comforts VIP passengers are used to.

Why was the vehicle rejected?

It passed. Frankly, these standards are irrelevant off-road.

At some point it'll be on road.

That’s because it’s abilities off road and for utility purposes are 40% better than an Amarok or Raptor which are just pick ups for urban posers. Neither are serious off road utility vehicles which is what this is.

My favourites are small, cheap things in the UK!

You can get 400w AC power as an option with additional battery as an individual option.

a missed opportunity to add another mid size pickup to the market?

Starts from £58k - Trailmaster and Fieldmaster editions (most people will buy) costs just under £70k

I know it’s so expensive!

@@steviefowler wasn’t the last defender about £30k

Jeep Wrangler JL (2018 until today) still uses recirculating ball steering.

@@JorgeRomero-jt2ne is that because it’s more durable (a 4x4 raison d’être) than rack & pinion?

@@DavidDatura As I understand, the recirculating ball steering reduces friction and wear in the gear and reduces play in the gear. Therefore, as you stated, more durable.

@@JorgeRomero-jt2ne 👍

That foot rest, we're told, is a RHD issue only. It's the exhaust routing!

Well that was where the speedo etc was in a series 1 Land Rover,in the centre!!

I don't want pin-sharp steering on a 4x4 either, but because these cars will be used on road predominantly, I'd have liked the car's steering to be a little less vague - it will put some people off. It's about what most buyers want and the vast majority of buyers, Ineos says, will be 'lifestylers' not avid off-roaders.

@@steviefowler I would have said given the market the vehicle is aiming at Lifestylers would go for a Land Rover Toyota or Mercedes product. This is designed to be a working vehicle farmers, 4x4 and offroad users, utility companies. I signed up before the 1st prototype and the premise was initially to fill the gap left in the market by the Defender. Look to the South African and Australian Market the Land Cruiser is way more basic and harks back to the 1980's body style with the Troopy. I think the engine choices and driveline say it all here including recirculating ball steering.

He evidently wants an SUV for dusrty parking lots not a purpose built 4x4.

Starts from £58k - Trailmaster and Fieldmaster editions (most people will buy) costs just under £70k. Petrol 286PS/450NM, Diesel 249PS/550NM

@@steviefowler That's the info that's needed 👍

You do have to pull yourself up into the cabin and when I sat in the prototype, you’re jammed right up next to the door, similar to an old Defender.

@@stonemarten1400 Ouch! I saw a video by 4Xoverland where Andrew St Pierre said the same thing. He was hoping the ergonomical issues would be fixed in the final version. As far as the height goes, it doesn't sound like I'll be able to lift myself from my wheelchair to the cabin. I did climb into Yukons/Tahoes/Escalades on occasions before, but I couldn't pull it off on the daily and it looks like the Grenadier is even higher than those by a couple of inches. Thank you for your reply!

Yup, every Bosh service and pretty much every BMW service could take care of them. Built in a former Merc plant and designed by Magna Steyr just like G class (some say it's the pretty much the same chassis) just with different drivetrain.

Built in France by a big Brexiteer!

Agreed Paddy, but the cost is eye-watering, taking it out of the price range of many who might need a proper, hardcore off-roader.

Ironically it will likely become a Chelsea tractor, Defenders and G-Wagons are plentiful on school-runs, this is possibly something 'cool' and different for them to show off with.

@@stevenrostron6671 True, it only takes a couple of high profile footballers to buy them and it will become another Chelsea tractor.

Good luck repairing a modern engine as you go.