I've had my Defender TD5 here in the mountains of Portugal for over 15 years and love every troublesome, uncomfortable inch of it. Its taken me places I would never otherwise have been. After all these years, It still makes me smile when I open the garage door. The Grenadier takes the purity of it's DNA, to a level Landrover could never have achieved. I want one so much.

Good viewpoint, I share the same feelings about the Grenadier, it’s exactly what some of us want 👍🏻

Loving the daylight visible at the top of the Defender's door while it's driving along. Such a Landrover thing :)

Been a Jeeper for 40+ years but have lately felt it’s slowly been evolving into more a toy than a proper utility vehicle. The Grenadier by contrast strikes me as much more the sort of “adventure vehicle” that can get me through the last decades of me life, so I, like you, don’t mind waiting a little longer for it.

My dad is due to pick his diesel version up at the end of the month in donkey grey but we have yet to actually road test a diesel version 😂. I just said to him price has gone up anyway from when you ordered yours and someone will pay to jump the que so just get it and if you don’t like it sell it within 12 months and you’ll make something just for being interested and having the patience will reward either way 👍🏼🇬🇧

Good video. Thank you. Clear communication with examples of valid experience to support your assertions. Too many people fail to differentiate between explication and explanation, thereby confusing both themselves and their audience.

Worth remembering that Ineos have now said there will be further models - the Grenadier is in some ways only a first attempt and it's a really good start.

Hi there, you talk about outstanding „customer experience“ because you received a video of your vehicle with the exact specifications instead of a real physical car. You are waiting since months for delivery of your car but you are still extremely happy with INEOS? And you willing to wait „as long as it takes“! You are a very, very loyal customer! I am impressed!

Your patience and calmness in addressing comments is truly impressive!

You feel exactly the same as I do. There are a number of folks that simply cannot seem to internalize the gravity of the effort put in to make this all come together. I haven’t been able to drive one myself yet but I have absolutely zero issues waiting for mine for as long as it takes to get it all right straight out of the box. Great content. 👍🏻😎👍🏻

Agree 100%. I will wait and see before buying, but it's definitely on the wishlist.

Awesome content as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along

The sheer belief is wonderful to see, I have that exact same belief in what Sir Jim and INOES are striving for. It's patently clear from all content released since inception some three or more years ago. Everything points to the outcome you staunchly support, as do I and many others. There are so many cynics and couch-critics out there who just spew negative codswallop without the faintest factual support, sad. If my situation changes but one Iota I will join the queue again without hesitation.

A lovely video, your enthusiasm shines through. Enjoy your Grenadier when you get it.

I really enjoyed that ! I’ve been following the Ineos story closely and maybe one day in the position to buy one . I look forward to seeing a video of your one and how it gets on in everyday use . Once again great video

Fabulous. Exactly what we needed!

Really enjoyed watching this and listening to your experiences.

Mine is also on order and I have high hopes for before the end of the month. I sold my '89 LR110CSW last August, so the wait is beginning to grate.

Great video!

Grenadier… a new legend in the making, a synthesis, dare I say in many areas an improvement of the Landrover? …either way, Landrover should be proud for inspiring this well thought through, quality build machine, which in time most likely will become a much loved classic.

A huge amount of pure faith in a product you don't have yet!

Having watched all of the reviews, I was finally able to sit in one here in Australia. The hump on the floor beneath my let foot was annoying, and being 188cms tall would become uncomfortable on a long journey. The engineering on the drivers side windscreen wiper is reminiscent of a series 1 Land Rover. Surely the could have designed the pivot point so that the wiper blade cleaned right up to the A pillar. I don't like the position of the speedometer, and perhaps a Heads Up Display would have been better. Time will tell if it is successful.

I love this statement about all the delays: "If it takes another six months, I don't care. I'll wait as long as it takes to get this vehicle because I think it's going to be a spectacular success" - Well said! 👍 I also don't care how long it takes to get my Grenadier delivered, it's worth all the waiting. In the meantime, I'm happy to drive my 2016 D4. And the Grenadier will be way better for sure, a car I'd like to keep for a long time.

wow the fairey on the trailer! 8.38

one of my dream cars!

I agree with you , it is worth the wait, I was in the vehicle industry in Canada back in the late 80's-90's and totally enjoyed my time i was with a dealership that sold Jaguar,Land Rover and Volvo, it was not uncommon for a customer to order their vehicle and wait a few months for it to be built and delivered and most often these buyers were long term repeat owners of these same cars, and often bought their children or elderly parents a new car to have a peace of mind and no problems with an older vehicle, the Grenadier is built on the premise for a solidly built reliable vehicle without an owner worrying about it while working or on holidays with it, I am in Canada and know it will be awhile before they are sold here, which is fine by me and allows me to save up a larger deposit for it, like my Volvo 240 , it is purpose built and reliable and I will definitely order the manuals that'll be available to me, great video 👍

Enjoyed the video. Not purely for the fact I have one on order but because we share a similar enthusiasm for the concept of the vehicle. I too have a Defender which I will probably sell on receipt of the Grenadier. The aging design of the Defender is now catching up with aches and pains of my aging body.

Great video and great rationale. Really like your logic and I completely agree. I’m happy to wait a bit longer for my Grenadier too.

This vehicle should have been built in the UK.

in my bucket list 🤩

It's certainly a looker & I wish Mr Ratcliff the best of luck & success which I'm certain it will come to pass. I also love the back to basics approach too, the best vehicle Land rover haven't produced.

Look forward to a video when you have your Grenadier in service which I hope you’ll do.

very good video!

Well good luck with it!

Yes !! ❤❤

I am like you, I am convinced that the Grenadier will be a very good product, much better than the old Defender 😂❤❤👍👍👍

A relatively simple vehicle that's been tested to destruction. 'First production' or not, I'm in.

Good video really enjoyed this. Will you give us a review of your grenadier when you get it?

My sentiments exactly the same as yourself I'm prepared to wait also. Very excited, thanks for sharing 👍.

Talking about a Grenadier whilst driving a Defender, comical 😂

I've got series 1 land rover i love it.... ❤

I was onboard with you until you talked about its off-road ability. According to all the measurements (articulation, etc.) it's no longer anything particularly special off-road and well exceeded by many other vehicles right out of the factory. That's because the market of off-roaders has become massively more competitive in the last decade, with _extremely_ high-performance vehicles on offer from several manufacturers. Moreover it's questionable how much its off-road performance can be easily improved with aftermarket parts without doing incredibly serious modifications on the bodywork etc. What I do agree with and fully support is how you characterize it as very capable off road and above all more robustly made than perhaps anything out there. Actually almost certainly more robust than anything we've seen (at least in several decades). Grenadier also has a totally new outlook on "right to repair" for customers with open shop manual availability(?) plus customers able to order parts directly. It seems to me that it's primarily targeted as a particularly robust, off-road capable tow vehicle. With emphasis on tow vehicle! That huge weight is a hindrance elsewhere, but helps when towing. Any young lad whose father has ordered an Ineos Grenadier can expect to be driving it one day with their child in the back.

I'm not discussing the Grenadier's performance and off-road capabilities,. In fact, I've never liked it aesthetically, there's something about its shape that doesn't convince me. The 2016 Defender you're driving looks a thousand times better.

Nice and great…

My company was part off the team which made robotics assembly line for Ineos....I believe it's amazing car like is Defender....but because of price I can just admire both of them 😢

Have you since recieved the vehicle? Great video!

This dude needs a Chevrolet Silverado ZR2. Proper offloader, absolutely the best tow rig...

Please can we get a follow-up video to see what your impressions are of the vehicle, which has presumably now been delivered.

There will be early teething problems , that is normal , but i am confident everything will be resolved fast .

It was interesting listening to your advertisement for INEOS Grenadier, sorry did I mean video! You ask the question, is it Worth the Wait? The answer for me was NO. What surprises me was the customer service you said you had from INEOS. Because my experience was very different. I contacted INEOS, and two of their agents. All of which directed me back to the website, as someone who has dyslexia, That was about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike! In the almost three years I have waited for INEOS to call me back. I have bought three new Land Rover Defenders and a Range Rover sport. Land Rover may not be the best product in the world. But the salespeople know how to sell, and they return calls and follow up on inquiries

I ordered mine last week , I’m fully aware I will wait at least a year for it , got my video emailed to me 15 minutes after I placed my deposit, got an email from my chosen dealership within 24 hours ,and my deposit (vat) receipt within 24 hours, I’m extremely impressed so far with their customer service, this is going to be a good experience I’m sure 👌

Who wants the Ineos Grenadier? Every Australian!

Excellent taste in English motor boats, do you still own the Fairey?

Nice sales pitch.

Why would you want electric seat controls, heater controls, etc. in any car?

Is there concern of parts availability. I would be concerned if anything broke that Ineos would keep the parts for new units over service/repairs. Has anyone had experience of this yet?

A Key to start a car whatever next,Good Vido👍

Great discussion and why the Grenadier. I have the last of the Defenders here in AU and definitely keeping it. I really love the Grenadier and the concept but unfortunately it is outside my price range. Oh and the Landrover these days is just another luxury car company and no original heritage left in it. Cheers

Bang on review. Such a shame that Gerry decided the new Defender needed to be a luxury SUV, not a through and through utility vehicle. Whilst the ND is hugely capable off road, it’s purpose has completely missed the point. The classic Def hasn’t been the ‘best off roader’ for a generation, so making that the focus of the ND and ignoring the true beauty/USP of the classic (it’s simplicity and adaptability), in favour of an SUV or it could be argued, a true Discovery, was IMHO both wrong - commercially speaking, and ignored 70 years of LR/Defender heritage. Why not build exactly what SJR has with the Grenadier? A ground up, brand new Def for the 21c? All the best bits of other utility 4x4s added to the best bits of the flawed Classic Def. If rumours are to be believed, whilst the ND has sold ‘well’, certainly not brilliantly, it’s mainly done so by pinching sales from Disco/Velar/RRS not by entirely new owners from Audi etc, nor by classic Defender owners choosing the ND as a replacement vehicle. Even in the US market, a LR target market for the Def, sales have come from existing LR SUV owners, despite the market having the largest Utility, off road and modifying market in the world. Imagine what LR would have gained had they focused on that market, but they didn’t. Indeed their target audience is amplified by the frankly horrible 130 that’s just been launched, a clear challenger for the bloated American super SUVs such as the Chevy Tahoe or the GMC Yukon, oversized lumps for a single market. So, their loss is another’s gain, imagine the potential for the Grenadier in the US. What’s more, indeed worse, is that LR didn’t need another SUV. Between LR and Jag they already had 7 SUVs (including the Disco) so why another one? The argument that it was a vehicle that was no longer needed and wouldn’t sell, has been roundly dispelled by the Grenadier. As such, I think LR have shot themselves in the foot. The ND is a Disco in all but name, a capable one at that, but a vehicle that has lost the heart, the soul and the heritage of LR in favour of a vehicle that will in the main be bought by people as a luxury, city based family SUV. What they now look like (black, 22” alloys, tinted windows, slammed, ‘Urban’ specced) as they drive around London has nothing whatsoever to do with what Maurice Wilkes initially designed the Series 1 for. Well done Grenadier, shame on you LR and Gerry McGovern.

My next Car🎉

I’d be interested to know if you’ve specified petrol or diesel

The only thing i dont like is the steering damper is on the underside of the front axel, when the vehicle goes up at the start of this video you can see it hanging down, that needs sorting before it will compete in true off road settings...

I'd love to see them enter one in the Dakar rally.

How much space did you have for your left foot and how comfortable was it driving for longer period of time? When I tested it, I felt it lacked space in the foot well especially for the left foot, and the seating did not seem to be symmetric and straight on. I wonder if that was a pre-production thing.

Has to be more reliable than the current LR products, I see they still come bottom on the JD Power surveys, no surprise there! I have 3 older LR but would never buy a newer one.

Pity there is no work vehicles. Big cockup , can't get VAT refunded in UK . So have missed a big market for sales. So it's only a 4x4 car , like the new Defender.

On the basis he promoted Brexit promised to build it in the UK then bought an ex mercedes factory in Europe I believe I think it's appalling anyone in the UK would even consider buying one. He should sod off to Singapore with Dyson.

driven two, both new , both throwing up a heap of fault codes ,

Really a great off roader .But unfortunately available only in uk and eu.Must think of selling in India.That make sense to value the market and response .

A G-Wagon for the masses.

Ineos may be upping the service levels, but the arrogant other manufacturers will just become more arrogant. I hope Ineos keep up their standards. I will be looking at one in South Africa.

Is this the vehicle Radcliffe said he was going to build in post Brexit, UK.

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Although I am not in the market for this type of vehicle I would not buy one as a matter of principal. Production was promised by a Brexit supporting Jim Ratcliffe in South Wales. He then abandoned his morals and went on to build it in France. OK there's an economic argument but he abandoned his own principals and lost my respect.

I get it and it dose look good. But it’s also become complex and by the sounds of it another vehicle that’s a dealer machine, and also is more expensive than the new defender.. i was also disappointed they chose to produce it out side the uk. Personally im in the market fore a decent 4x4 but has to be cost effective and important to be simple and easy to get most services and mantance done by myself or and by any mechanic or independent. Also if it were priced around 40-50k new it would be easy to stomach especially as a business that runs on 0 debt good or bad but asking around 70k+ on the road that’s too much there is still better second hand options on the market that is less risk and easy to swallow. Ineos reminds my what lr did with the defender in the later years and seems to of fallen to the same issues like making it more complex and focusing on the premium end and it concerns me, that ineos seems to follow a similar path and seems to be another expensive luxury yes rugged 4x4/suv and has strayed from the original brief. But i will wait and see how it preforms in the second hand market in a few years time. In the meantime ill be buying ever another Land Rover product which I don’t like the direction they have gone, but I’ve found owning a far few they have been prity reliable and actually surprisingly easy to work on and a tone of decent specialist that are way better than main dealers. And yes I’ve tried so call reliable brands and had worse reliability issues or no better than my experience. But it’s good there’s competition and we will see.

I think this is by far the best video commentary made on the Grenadier. If I had any small doubts before, after hearing you speak, with clarity, simplicity, and a lot of passion, those small doubts vanished. I was about to buy a 2012 Galway Green Defender 110 with 120,000 kilometers, I'm still thinking about it, but I went to the dealership to see it up close, touch it, and smell the scents of a new car, the smell of its leather. I'll leave the old Defender aside and become an Ineos customer! I can't understand why Land Rover didn't think (as Porsche has always done with the 911) about modernizing the classic model, making it "drivable" without altering its nature and its iconic look. The new Defender hasn't looked good for a long time! A very poorly done mix between a new Range Rover Sport (another terrifying car) and a new Discovery. This will surely bring many customers to Ineos.

Short answer, no it’s not worth the wait. The new Defender is better in every single aspect

Yip, driven in one, maybe one day…..

My biggest disappointment is the light grey pillars and headliner in the interior. I hope at some point Ineos offers an all black interior option. The Landcruiser 79 Series has a similar colour and frankly I think it is hideous and I am not the only one that has wished Toyota would provide an all black interior option.

For same money I get the troopy 4.2 diesel fully fitted for overland

Demo vehicles have just hit the shores of America. I have a test drive and my first in person look at the Grenadier this Saturday.

Why not the G Wagon. Too expensive?

The greatest mistake Land Rover will ever have made is ending production of the Defender.

I would never consider a LR product. But I suspect I will buy a Grenadier.

They need to honour warranty work at LEVC

How much are you getting paid for the add??

the only reason that there are 70% of land rovers are still on the road is because the other 30% got to there destination

Ineos lives in the 20th century ?

The Grenadier is everything the Defender should have been. JLR dropped the ball…..badly and the new Defender is no Land Rover. The queue for the Grenadier is proof.

Check the Lowball hight .I notice that you use a drop plate on the Land Rover 110 You CAN"T use one on the grenadier they have not thought of people who tow 4 wheel trailers. You are unable to use a 2" receiver because of "European" regs

Thanks for your insight to buying an Ineos however the old saying applies here "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" please come back in a year and tell us your story.

The real question is will it be financially viable? No doubt there’s a market for it, but it’s small. I think it will only stay alive if Ineos continues to cross subsidise it.

Landrover in price and everything eles are gone mad that 3ltr ford engine was a joke you never knew when it was going to blow up

The only (obvious) downside to the Grenadier is that it is not a Land Cruiser....

What’s wrong with the new Defender then?

Why sell a Land Rover with only 40k on the clock? It makes a bit of a nonsense of looking for longevity and durability in a replacement surely ….

Jim Radcliffe. The patriot who said we would be better off out of Europe and then sets up his factory in France. I wouldn't touch one of his cars.

Land Cruiser 70 series might be a good tow vehicle.

Biggest disappointment is that there are no driver gauges. Hey designers, human beings have eyes in front of their heads. This stupid electric car movement to put an Ipad in the middle of the dashboard and call it a day is ridiculous.

Worth the wait? I can't even afford it so the wait doesn't matter