Infant Baptism in the Early Church Fathers
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Жыл бұрынThis video was inspired by a conversation I had with my friend Lynne, to whom I dedicate this video.
A big thank you to Bernadette for giving me a haircut halfway through the filming of this video.
Ernest Evans' edition and translation of Tertullian's treatise On Baptism is now back in print and can be purchased here: wipfandstock.com/978149829578...
You can buy G.W. Clarke's magisterial translation and commentary on St. Cyprian's letters here:
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Vol. 2: www.paulistpress.com/Products...
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You should buy Thomas Scheck's translation of Origen's Commentary on Romans (and I'm not just saying that because he's a friend of mine):
Vol. 1: www.cuapress.org/978081321736...
Vol. 2: www.cuapress.org/978081322021...
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The portrait of St. Cyprian is actually a statue of a Roman senator from the Quirinale Square in Rome.
The portrait of Origen is by the wonderful Eileen McGuckin.
@ImNotSureWho Жыл бұрын
Wow, Potential is the most knowledgeable Baptist ever in regard to church history. You gotta give him credit where credit is due.
@tomtemple69 6 ай бұрын
Yeah that is the reason why I never in 1000 years believe that guy would actually be a Baptist 😂😂😂
@mg_claymore8611 Жыл бұрын
This channel deserves far more attention then what it has. Great stuff.
@tallmikbcroft6937 Жыл бұрын
Amen
@psycoticdew7 Жыл бұрын
I’m an Orthodox inquirer and I find this immensely informative and funny! Great content, thank you. Glory to God in all things.
@ReluctantPost 5 ай бұрын
Be sure to look into the infant baptism of one of the great saints in Orthodoxy, raised in a Christian home, John Chrysostom. There are quite a number of others like that as well. And then ask why....
@tonyl3762 10 ай бұрын
Even earlier testimony than Origen: "For He came to save all through means of Himself - all, I say, who through Him are *born again* to God - *infants, and children,* and boys, and youths, and old men." -Irenaeus (c. 189 AD) "The children shall be baptized first. All of the children who can answer for themselves, let them answer. If there are any children who cannot answer for themselves, let their parents answer for them, or someone else from their family." -Hippolytus (c. 215 AD)
@TCM1231 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see youve uploaded another video. Please! keep up the good work.
@TCM1231 Жыл бұрын
Im already starving for more! Wishing I lived in Rochester.. LOL
@gcr0003 Жыл бұрын
though a rather strange format I thoroughly enjoyed that video and especially the words from some of the early church fathers. Every time I read or hear them it is so inspiring. I need to get some of these books this guy has and do some light reading. As a Baptist convert to Catholicism myself some of my conversations with my Protestant friends and coworkers inevitably touch on instant baptism. I need more of this tangible early church fathers support. Fascinating! Thanks.
@uncreatedlogos 6 ай бұрын
Seeking Baptist here. Great video!
@googlesucks1 10 ай бұрын
The guy doing these videos has incredible charisma. Wish there was more content, been learning a lot.
@krjohnson29 10 ай бұрын
I love that his name is "Potential" ❤ He really does have so much of it.
@MJOLLNIR720 10 ай бұрын
How am I just finding this channel? Great stuff and Potential... what a sport huh?
@carlsonche5125 9 ай бұрын
I love this Ted 😂😂😂😂😂. Miss you all in Rochester tho
@runto83 9 ай бұрын
Amazing stuff and accurate historical evidence. Glory to God for all discoveries. Hope that this opens some people's eyes to infant baptism and the practice of the early church.
@tonyl3762 10 ай бұрын
A quick browse of your other videos' thumbnails makes me think this is the only video in this style 😢 Please make more and your channel will grow. This video is like the patristic version of How to Be Christian.
@iddodomingo6118 Жыл бұрын
Entertaining and informing. Reminds me of the dialog with trypho the Jew. This is a piece of art.
@Veritas1234 Жыл бұрын
This video is awesome!
@tonyl3762 10 ай бұрын
LOL, new favorite channel!! It's like looking in a mirror. So much "potential" ( pun intended)! Keep up the great work! Will browse your other videos.
@thelogosproject7 11 ай бұрын
This was phenomenal. Thank you!
@Mason_O 5 ай бұрын
I have that same green lamp on my desk
@andrewpicklo5262 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@johnbarton8636 Жыл бұрын
This is awesome!
@brianbellic2714 8 ай бұрын
I love it, god bless ✝️
@decluesviews2740 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video!
@jacobmaier8993 8 ай бұрын
Thanks brother.
@tallmikbcroft6937 Жыл бұрын
Love your work. Keep it coming.
@Bah1357 9 ай бұрын
Is he a professor, or why is he so funny. Anyway, the content is offered in such an incredibly interesting way
@ignatium Жыл бұрын
Superb as always
@sabinthekkedathu3978 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video it really does help.
@stefanhenning40 11 ай бұрын
This channel is fantastic.
@Chromebreaks 7 ай бұрын
Amazing video man, took notes on all of it. God bless you.
@NoahBradon 10 ай бұрын
Favorite new channel! Thanks @Veritas.
@thomasmaguire834 Жыл бұрын
Ted “Wells”, You put me in your time machine and sent me back what, 1600 to 1800 years? Then you drove the Morlocks (sp.) back in their tunnels and sealed the sites! Although a sprinkling would have sufficed I have to say I was thoroughly immersed. Thanks so much.
@jesusrosary9067 Жыл бұрын
Wow oh wow ❤️
@tonyl3762 10 ай бұрын
Anyone else see Gavin Ortlund in this Mr. Spam?
@coondogbob Жыл бұрын
More please 😊
@toptech88 Жыл бұрын
#Based phone drop
@katiestover8954 Жыл бұрын
Last night my friends and I were wondering what the church fathers said about infant baptism; this morning this video popped up on my friend’s KZfaq feed. Do you think God answered our question?
@ultimouomo11 6 ай бұрын
This was quite entertaining and informative. That Baptist fellow sounded hauntingly familiar.
@andrzejzelazniewicz8434 10 ай бұрын
Brilliant and funny 😂
@sonicoooknightxx9011 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe that Infant Baptism is true. This is so sad, Alexa play "Oceans" by Hillsong to celebrate.
@NewportSolar Жыл бұрын
You have 2 house phones? What year was this video made? 1999?
@stormchaser9738 Жыл бұрын
This was comedy gold
@jacobticer1643 Жыл бұрын
Based Origen.
@Paul9443 8 ай бұрын
From where can i get some of those gorgeous looking books you have behind you in other videos?
@msully01 Жыл бұрын
😂❤😂❤😂❤
@uncreatedlogos 6 ай бұрын
7:50 are you sure those 14 months mean months after birth or does it mean months after baptism as it is traditional among many Christians?
@chrisw5139 Жыл бұрын
lol
@chrisw5139 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this ngl
@BeatrizMartinez-dy3oy 10 ай бұрын
baptism should be reserved for those who first make a profession of faith in Jesus Christ. This view is known as believer’s baptism, or “credobaptism.” Jesus was baptized by John (Matthew 3:13-17; Luke 3:21) and taught His disciples to baptize those who repented of their sins, believed in Him, and received salvation in His name (Acts 2:4, 38; 9:17-18; Matthew 28:19). Those who hold to believer’s baptism see it as an important initial act of obedience that a person makes after accepting Jesus as Lord-baptism is a public testimony of faith. And baptism by immersion clearly shows one’s identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (see Acts 2:38-41; 16:29-34; and Romans 6:3-4). Pouring or sprinkling, the method used in infant baptism, fails to illustrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
@Naturecraft645 11 ай бұрын
Tertullian then says “let them first learn how to ask for salvation” lol and come with haste is saying, hey, they are innocent and are not needing to be baptized as infants.
@ReluctantPost 5 ай бұрын
So if there really _is_ a need in infants in the sense Tertullian references, why is it that so many early Christian saints raised in Christian homes, including John Chrysostom, were not baptized as infants?
@Bible33AD 2 ай бұрын
Coz they came to Christ later. As adults
@ReluctantPost 2 ай бұрын
@@Bible33AD If any infant has at least a Christian father who regards his new son or daughter as being in peril of eternal damnation outside of a faith-by-proxy baptism, and yet does not see to it done by hook or crook, then he must not be quite a Christian that the histories claim. That would render either the accounts or the Christians involved questionable.
@Kefa... Жыл бұрын
Derived from German
@swilliams7850 6 ай бұрын
Why not start with the church in Acts instead of Tertullian- no clear description of infant baptism in Acts? Households yes, but in all examples they understood and had faith. Infants can't understand the gospel message.
@concrete3030 2 ай бұрын
Do you believe in "Bible Only?"
@swilliams7850 2 ай бұрын
@@concrete3030 As far as infallible rule, yes, but certainly not the only authority established by the Apostles and Jesus (elders, teachers, parents, government, etc). But, I think every tradition recognizes that the new testament writings were uniquely inspired for our guidance.
@concrete3030 2 ай бұрын
@swilliams7850 So in the bible can you descbabe who were in the households and They're personal Professional faith for each of them in each of the households? You can not so you are assuming who, how many, their ages, and their believes. You can not do that. But as one of your requirements you do believe that a person must "believe" in the Lord to be baptized as said in Mark 16.16
@swilliams7850 2 ай бұрын
@@concrete3030 I don't have names, but everyone who was baptized accepted the message (obedience to Christ and His forgiveness). I suspect some were quite young, but there is no example in the bible or in traditional writings that, say, an 8 day old infant has any understanding to the point where God will condemn them if they don't respond. As Paul puts it, the law came alive to him (understanding) and it condemned him. So, he needed to respond.
@concrete3030 2 ай бұрын
@swilliams7850 I'm glad you brought up 8 day old infants.. because according to early writing by Cyprian and 66 other Bishops the only argument that was put to rest was to baptize before 8 days old or wait. The judgement of the Church was not to wait.. As far as scripture.. Jesus even says little ones, which include infants, "believe".. Matthew 18.6. They do not believe like we do but Jesus says they believe. They should be baptized
@JesusRulez-l3j 27 күн бұрын
The church began baptizing babies because St. Augustine taught that unbaptized babies who die go to a special place reserved for them in Hell. Later, St. Thomas Aquinas taught that unbaptized babies don't go to Hell but to Limbo, which is nice but it's not heaven. Pope Benedict XVI realized the absurdity of it all and proclaimed that Limbo is nonsense. As a result, Catholics don't have to worry about their dead children: they're in Heaven!
@frisco61 10 ай бұрын
If you showed up in 200 AD with that theory, they wouldn’t recognize you as a Christian. 😊
@Naturecraft645 11 ай бұрын
Jesus was using the “let the little children come to me” as a parable about having christlike faith, and it has nothing to do with infant baptism.
@perryellison5255 4 ай бұрын
According to who’s interpretation? What authority does that interpretation have?
@Naturecraft645 4 ай бұрын
@@perryellison5255 Does Jesus use the word or imply baptism when he is talking about the children?
@perryellison5255 4 ай бұрын
@@Naturecraft645 he was talking about his desire that they should inherit the kingdom and be with God. So yes, that’s not only the core of baptism but it’s the very essence. Important how Christ says “Do not hinder”… perhaps then we should not take measures to disallow them the kingdom.
@Naturecraft645 4 ай бұрын
@@perryellison5255 That is based on another assumption, that baptism provides salvation. Believing in Jesus is the only way to salvation
@perryellison5255 4 ай бұрын
@@Naturecraft645 so Jesus was just blowing smoke when he said, “Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” ???? I don’t know Christ to blow smoke, ya know…
@jalapeno.tabasco 6 ай бұрын
using tertullian as argument against infant baptism blows up in their face because he also says unmarried people should not be baptized 🤣
@ReformingApologetics 8 ай бұрын
This may be funny but it's not an honest handling of the fathers or history.
Dr. Jordan B Cooper
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