As a Sval player, I am absolutely lost at the idea of a defensive piece.

​@@Blaze_Raven Beasthunter?

@@Blaze_Ravenlinked Karhu with +1b fueurbach is a good start

Eh, we do have: - Beasthunter - Nökk Minelayer & Hacker options - Vargar HRL & the K1 Marksman/Minelayer, especially if your opponent brought visor units as the primary big attack pieces - Karhu Feuerbach in a 4-unit link - Nisse Sniper in a 4-unit link (Machinist & Uma Sorense count as Nisses, making this much more viable) - Böyg ML, exceptional potential for making your opponent waste orders as they dodge on 16s - Knight of Justice hacker ...and general typical PanO options of - Defensively deployed Peacemakers - Fugazis - Sierra - Spotlight ARO/Designated KHD casualty Fusilier hacker Granted, some of the choices are very situational (Karhu suffers against even MSV1, Böyg suffer against any kind of smoke shooting or mimetism, Vargar are not very good if your opponent has no visors etc) but what in this game isn't?

@@slingshotmaster99 He's not a defensive piece unless you're final turn putting everything out on ARO. The Karhu FB's main strength is dice advantage from its spicy HMG plus the mimetism further compounding any AROs without visors. So you're counting heavily on the dice to shield him from being shocked off the table. In reactive he loses that, and just becomes a 35pt 1.5swc not-shock-immune sitting duck.

I tend to find I try to dial in one list that can do all the missions (or at least has a plan for them, even if that plan is 'annihilation my way to a minor victory'). However, that's in large part because I tend to play a new faction for each event, and in terms of limited practice time, getting just one list down minimises how much I have to learn. By comparison, If you're a newer player, you should definitely start out spending more time getting to know one chosen faction with more depth. In this case it's definitely fine to start by building a core army list that you're comfortable with, but from there you want to start branching out and experimenting - seeing how different missions can be tailored for in different ways.

@@R0bertShepherd Thanks for the reply. I'm playing around with SC at the moment which is a challenge in itself, but having fun and experimenting. I have a Core list which has scope to tweeked to better suit the missions. Really like you CANCON Tohaa list and the way it performed, might have to try that at some point.

To be honest I used Tohaa because I added that slide last after I realised I probably needed an example and had already used Haqq, Nomads and PanO lists for another slide. I thought about Dashat but didn't have a list that quite worked for the example but was at least confident in Tohaa as an example of defend-first. But I appreciate that the entire faction reads like a setup for a Ligma joke to most people.

Yes, exactly that. Firepower that either neutralises enemy ARO pieces, forces them to guts prone, or is threatening enough that they don't stick their heads out in the first place. :)

@@R0bertShepherd I often forget guts is a thing I play Aleph and the guy I'm learning with is playing haqq

@@liamhoward9027 it's definitely one of the most important rules in the game - if you're new, one of the things to remember is that voluntarily failing your guts can be one of the best moves you can take.

That's a really good question. If you were starting from scratch I'd have suggested the faction Action Packs, but they actually have a lot of overlap with Operation Icestorm. So instead I think I'd suggest for each faction you grab a remotes pack, and then for Nomads maybe the Booster Pack Alpha, and for PanO a few models of equivalent value (PanO's booster packs both overlap with Icestorm, but you can get pieces individually). Play whatever points level that will let you to start with, and take it from there, moving up to 300pts over time. Something to remember is that Infinity really wants you to paint up a small force but use models as proxies for other models from time to time, so what you really want are a collection of pieces that are versatile enough for each of you to experiment. A mix of light and heavy infantry, that sort of thing. If you're both starting, TAGs are probably the last thing on the list to buy. They'll be good to add eventually (when you're playing at 300pts) but TAGs are big, focal pieces and when you're learning, having a piece makes the game so much about it will give you a skewed experience. Definitely get one (probably for each faction), but down the line.

@@R0bertShepherd Thank you for your quick response and such a detailed explanation!