Good video! The part about LoF weirdness at 14:30 thankfully is addressed in the rulebook on page 24, assuming I am understanding your meaning properly. "As long as any Trooper can draw LoF to its target, the target can draw LoF to its attacker as well, as long as the attacker is within the target’s front 180º arc."

I agree with you on the "Corner-Cutting"... The example CB gave was very SPECIFIC about how to use the half base size for movement, and in this case, the Specific does not override the General. Good Call. Jason Vero Beach, FL U.S.A

The half-base thing is clearly not their intention, but it is allowed by the rules. I would just avoid playing with that person. As a TO, I would just shoot it down from the start. Impetuous, As long as they end closer to the DZ than they started, without moving backwards (to shuffle around a building or so) it is fine. Id overlook a "stuck" trooper. As for the getting in contact...if more than one is in range, pick one. TBH, I have always though impetuous being optional was the mistake. LOF: yeah...it makes sense, like keyhole shooting...but we fall back to "if the shooter can see the target, the target can see the shooter (unless the 180deg thing, or what not)" Old rule, but solid. Guided: Yup, you can use it and it is subpar. Other GMLs are D15 AP+EXP (3 hits instead of just shock). It is kinda neat you can take 2 and coordinated fire them. Tohaa can do 4, but they cant mark stuff well.

Yes, Guided does create those kinds of attack (the Missile Launcher remotes also have a AP+EXP attack that becomes a template attack), but everybody under the template does get a ARO to dodge. From the rule, for when a unit gets an ARO: "It is affected by a Template Weapon, or is the target of a Hacking Program or other Comms Attack." The Dodge will be at -3 (dodging a template weapon without LoF to the attacker). Also, are you misinterpreting shock ammo? If I understand it correctly, it only makes a trooper immediately dead if he falls unconscious (preventing his revival). It does not kill a 2 Wnd model outright, if it only suffers 1 Wnd.

Ok, fast and dirty my interpretations: 1. no gap, no squeeze (if there is enough room around something you move around) what I would like to see is that this is not only on width, but also on heights, but that is a totally different topic. 2. you end up nearer to the Enemy deployment you are fine. Never move towards your own DZ. That means nearly horizontal movement is fine. 3. you see me, I see you, as long as you are in my front arc. 4. the Template is given to any weapon on every possible profile. span-o-pplies trigger interesting situations also. And the template is important ruleswise, because it is 1 of 3 triggers of Dodge.

Thank you for making those videos for the community. I believe that Corvus Belli clarified the 'cut corner' abuse on the FAQs & Errata: Q: While using Move or Climb, can you move 'through' a corner, in the same way that you can move through a space that's half the width of the Trooper's base? A: No. If the space is wide enough for the Trooper's full base, you must use the full base. Example at the bottom of the page here: infinitythewiki.com/Move With my interpretation of the impetuous movement rule, I believe that the movement should always be towards the Enemy Deployment Zone. Sure that can be any point of the Deployment Zone, but I think that you should be able to draw a straight line from the movement starting position and the line drawn by the movement (that should always be the full movement value) should point towards the enemy Deploy Zone that only has the maximum of 48" width. So I don't think that a nearly horizontal movement would classify as a movement 'towards the Enemy Deployment Zone'. On the account of the guided, shouldn't you ignore all MODs, with the exception of the negative ones of ECM? Even those that boost you damage? Keep up the awesome work.

Re: Impetuous. It's already been ruled you don't need to take the shortest path towards the enemy deployment zone or an enemy. That's RAW and RAI. They left out the word nearest on purpose. It's supposed to be flexible, and not as rigid as it was in N3. I'm pretty sure CB have already ruled on this. It's fine. If you want to go 3" to the side and 1" further forward, and only end up 1" closer - fine. That's no problem. Re: LOF. If a trooper can draw LOF to a target then the target can automatically draw LOF back, if the enemy is within the front arc. Can't remember which page this is on. Re: Guided. Yeah, sure. It is very good, and it's supposed to be. Ariadna can't use spotlight though so they need to expose themselves to enemy fire to get something targeted. You can always dodge a template that comes from outside LOF. That's explicitly WHY guided uses a template. So you get a PH-3 to dodge the templates from guided. The other versions of guided remotes are better. 'Just a missile launcher, nothing to write home about'?! Bro, any hit from a guided missile forces 3 saves with AP ammunition. It kills virtually anything. I also just want to make sure you understad how shock ammo works - it does NOT instantly kill any model without shock immunity that takes a wound. It means that if a model without shock immunity would go unconscious it dies instead. If it had two wounds and takes one then it goes to one wound and lives. If it has one wound and goes unconscious then it dies. It doesn't insta-kill. It just skips the unconscious state.

I would say you could vault a wall if it was less than half the height of your Silhouette, but cutting a solid wall is cheating, regardless of if you think it is in the rules or not. The half base rule is for getting through narrow gaps, not cutting corners.

This is y I love board games. U discuss what ur discrepancies are and adjust the gameplay. If homie wants to cut corners than it means u can cut corners. Tournaments get a ref to rule in on it. Easy. Ur major concerns for balance are unit specific rules.

had that cutting corners also being used against me to pass enemy models that would normally block the way. Felt all kinds of wrong.

I agree that the move is illegal, but for a different reason. The rules state that you must always be in contact with the surface on which you intend to move. For a player to cut the corner in the way shown, they would have had to rise to the top of the wall to make such a move. They would then lose contact with the surface they want to move over.

Dodging templates out of line of sight is -3 even if the unit getting clipped isn't the declared target. (against guided or a large template weapon in the back). Dodger can ignore the -3 mod if it has sixth sense on their profile or are in a 4+ fireteam.

Guided is available on all ML drones, which then fires DMG 14 EXP+AP templates on 18s. Uragan is not nearly on that level tbh ^^

As for the template on nearby troopers without los, one of the requirements or triggers for being able to dodge is if you're affected by a template so they would also be able to ftf dodge at -3 for no los.

I've been looking at ways to optimize coordinated orders, and was wondering about coordinating BS guided attacks. I want to make sure I'm not abusing the rules by doing it: The rules say the burst of a guided attack will always be 1, but with coordinated orders the sense is that each attacker has its own burst value (always B1 unless it is the spearhead), so I think you could still do up to 4 guided attacks in one order. It would still eat up 4 (or however many shots you take) of your 5-guided-shots-per-turn limit. So, all you would be doing is conserving orders (and maybe limiting ARO opportunities) at the expense of a command token? I also assume that you could mix regular BS attacks and BS guided attacks because guided isn't a separate skill, just a tag that only applies to the particular shooter making the BS attack? Each shooter in any coordinated order always has its own mods and shot requirements (which is why coordinated orders can be such a hassle...). So theoretically you could do a coordinated Move+BS attack, reposition 2 troopers to shoot, one at B2, one at B1, and add 2 guided attacks for a total of 5 shots, two of which are at +6 and have blast templates? And it would leave you with 2 troops with LoF of the target if it manages to survive (which a TAG easily could, or if someone crits on a dodge roll).

We had a lomger discussion about that movement thing. It is not safe how to play it, but I will not allow it on my tournament

Rule 1: RAW, if the object is taller than their silhouette they have to climb it to get over it and the Movement stops if the unit wants to move over unless it has Climb Plus. If the wall is lower than S2 they can vault over it, doing so also exposes them to ARO on that segment if anyone can see them. What he did, if the wall was taller than S2, would be ignoring the context of the movement rule and only looking at one thing in isolation to get his desired effect. Rule 3: I would use the rule from N3 that if you can fire at me then I would be able to fire back, as long as other visual rules were fulfilled. They would never able to see the Trooper so no ARO, unless attacked.

LoF: 3x3mm minimum is satisfied by a 1x10mm strip as 3x3=9 < 1x10=10. Also, 3x3mm is not a measure of volume, which is three dimensional, but of surface.

For the movement ruling, how are you leaving out "any surface they move on"? I'll agree that they can cut the corner of the walls if the walls are low enough that they could jump over (without causing additional movement requirement). You are not moving on the surface of the wall, unless you're Spiderman, otherwise in order to cut that corner.

My friend and I used to argue about this kind of stuff all the time for games until we just came to the conclusion that the rule only says what it say and it does nothing extra.

Thanks for the video! I agree that the Uragan is good, but I don't think it's better than your average missile bot. (Other than points.) For example, a Clipper Dronbot is shooting in guided mode on an 18 using Dam 14 AP+EXP! I think that's much scarier than a Dam 15 AP+Shock hit in my opinion. Guided became a lot more viable in N4.

The ambiguity on impetuous is deliberate. You’re reading too much into it, just move towards an enemy or dz by whichever way you want, the old n3 thing of closest enemy is gone to allow players more agency. I don’t believe that’s a bad thing

Cutting corners: I would accept any ruling from Corvus Belli, but I can see this being intended and accepted. We don't have giant round bases we need to get around corners in real life so while your interpretation is clean and how I play, I think that it really increases friction on terrain which isn't necessarily right.

If I got you right I understood, that you say that if a guided missle hits a unit it gets a dodge (-3) because LoF is missing. And if a second unit is standing right next to it, it dosen't get a dodge? I think the second part is not right, since the second model is affected by a template and therefore get's a dodge as well (Requirement of Dodge: They are affected by a Template Weapon)

Hey Infinity Gamer... How about a video on Impetuous units and how to better use them strategically.. And maybe a Co-Op type video if you happen to be friends with that Vault guy down there in y'all's country.. he's a real good talking book, but his verbage and tone and inflection of tone aren't (in my opinion) as practiced as yours.. You see, in my opinion, where you are a humble gamer, and often apologize if you get anything wrong, Vaul comes across as being "In the Know".. and there's nothing wrong with that, but I, personally, tend to fall asleep during his videos, not because of the content, but his lack of tonal modification, i.e.inflection of tone.. where you are upbeat and motivated, he is not.. But I the arena of confidence in rules knowledge he is quite knowledgeable.. So, in my opinion.. I believe the two of y'all, whether buddies or not, could literally benefit from each other.. There, I said it.. now I'm read for dishes, pots and pans and the occasional Cat to be chucked at me... But before anyone gets too mad at me, please note that I have been gaming since June 1984, and miniature gaming Since October 1992 when I graduated from Basic Training. The U.S. Armed Forces loves using miniature pieces to represent strategies before an Op.. which quite literally got me into WH40K in 1996, when I got out of the USAF, and went home to Army National Guard Infantry, 53rs Support.. So, because of my time in the Military, I know a thing or two on... You guessed it.. Speeches.. specifically, something we American Service Members call.. Death by PowerPoint.. so we have to learn how to speak in a classroom setting so as too keep the troops motivated. You sir, could teach a class on this.. every time I watch your videos, I go set up the game table in my Den and have to play a game of N4 with one of my sons. So, anyway... Thank you for letting me share my Opinion, Strength, and Hopes, that in my opinion are New Zealand's best representatives for Infinity N4. Good Night, and Good Luck, Sincerely, Jason13

Discussing it on French forum Guard shenanigans and spec ops combo are much more concerning... 12BTS + Bio Immunity are tough

I struggled to understand and I still don't get what the guided part was about.

I think the line of fire rule advantage would actually be really hard in an actual game because how would you convince your partner that there was line of fire but the window back to your model was less than 3 mil.

At 15:00, Don't they also clearly state in the rules that if a model is being shot at, the other model should also be able to shoot back as long as it is in their front arc?

I think the vagueness of the Impetuous rule is so vague, it has to be intentional. If I'm guessing their intent, its to tone down the idea of Impetuous from berserkers rushing straight into gunfire to just being so eager for the fight that they refuse to back up. So they still are raring to get to the enemy (since they refuse to backtrack) they just aren't as single minded, nor quite so suicidal.

I would disagree with you on the 1st exploit - Its not something I would have thought of but just because I hadn't thought of it doesn't obfuscate the concept that your miniatures are moving in a dynamic fashion and are able to hug walls and squeeze through tight gaps in fact the more I consider it blundering round a wall with the widest arc of travel available seems thematically the opposite of a tight skirmish game heavily focused on use of cover - IMO this should be the canonical method of moving around a corner - the disadvantage should be you reduce your arc of fire by half in doing so as it is now filled with wall to represent your action - now my new house rule thanks :) Regarding LOF that seems really gamified - I would think if you can shoot at a model while within its front arc logically it can shoot back at you. The other two seem legit to me - particularly the last one as its rewarding a player that has thought about their unit composition and logically follows that an Artillery unit being guided by a spotter is a lethal combination while being within the explicit text of the rules.

Question: is the rule carried over from N3 that said if one model has LOS to another, then they both have LOS to each other ? I know it was there in N3, but I didn't go looking for it in N4

About impetuous movement I don't see it as vague. It's not N3 that's all, so you CAN move just half inch toward enemy deployment zone. The goal of N4 is to make the game much more fluent, removing constraints helps playing quickly those impetuous orders without so much planning as in N3.

Any rule "bending" action shoumd be allowed. Even if they are obviously againts the idea of the rule. That's the only way to make sure this misleading rule description will be clarified in N5.

I think your ruling on impetuous is not only correct it is not only allowed it is exactly what raw imply.

The method you show for moving around the corner isn't the most effective legal move either. Sticking to the corner and having your model "roll" around it would be shorter as well, and potentially avoids breaking cover. The corner cutting method isn't a really impactful amount shorter than that method Mathematical explanation for why the roll method is shorter. To roll around the corner you essentially trace 1/4th of the circumference of the base. .25x2πr. using the same method shown in the video you instead from the same point move directly in the x direction one radius and then down 1 radius. Ie you move the diameter of the base. Some simple math shows that using the roll method would be about 25% shorter than the straight lines legal method.

I don't know or really care how the ads are allocated on KZfaq, but there were far too many on this video and I found it unwatchable.

In general, for all rules, interpretation should follow this constraint: Only those interpretation of concepts (e.g. the concept of surface) are acceptable as can be generally arrived at by the vast majority of players in a quick and easy manner, that is to say concepts should be treated, as far as possible to mean what the self-evidently mean in everyday discourse. Any interpretation that seems clever and that you had to arrive at by turning things around in your head most likely does not satisfy this constraint and should therefore not be accepted. Example: In issue 1, surface as something to walk on meaning the corners of building seems unlikely to fit this criterion as we do not walk usually on corners of buildings. Surface rather self-evidently means the vertical part that a sufficiently small person could walk on. That surface is sufficiently wide according to the movement rule.

I really like your content, but 15 commercials when you cant reach your device to skip them was kind of painful.

Apart the ignorance of defining a volume in mm^2...in your example, if u expose 2,5×25mm^2 is well above the 3x3mm^2 minimum area. How you are supposed to measure such a requirement is beyond any comprehension, tough...

Wow sounds like the books and rules need a native English speaker's guidance to sort this stuff out...

You mic is way too quiet in this vid unfortunately.