Cheers!

Cheers Bruce!

how is it a year on?

I'm very excited for you! Please come back and update us when you can.

@@Inmotion70 That was exciting. Mike would have loved it too.

@@rao4sos Great to see you Rao! Hope you're well sir.

Sounds like Freddie couples. He cranks that right shoulder/elbow back real far and then fully releases those hands hard through impact. Lots of effortless speed. Fred’s my fav!

The videos with Eric really turned out good!

Hi is that Eric Cogorno?.... if so can you leave me the link as I cannot find it. Thank you

Yes! The throw out method - more speed, more Distance Eric Cogorno golf. excellent video, Steve is really good enjoy the video

@@jeffepperson99 Glad you enjoyed the collaboration!

@@marcussheldon9220 Yes we did a collaboration.

Hey that's awesome! I love this comment!

Yes they are all on my site. Https://www.hititlonger.com/pro-shop

It's so simple when you compare it to these other sports...I'm amazed when people disagree on this point.

Looking at old swing videos of his....he actually never did.

Either did John Marshall.

He was like Scott Hoch...a bit unconventional and not a long hitter...but certainly an ATM machine.

Well that's awesome! And if you can hit 100 mph wristers you should absolutely crack 140 mph with a golf club.

I hope i can - your classic release sure feels more athletic for me. I know people like Dustin Johnson hold off that forearm rotation super late - but he’s a relative freak! I’m converting to the classic release ASAP - all that holding off of the forearms has made me one heck of a frustrated player aside from short chipping.

@@migbgold3191 He's coming about 3-4 degrees outside in at it, which allows him to use less forearm rotation.

At the 3:19 point in this (your) video.

Good concepts.

You've made so many anatomical errors here that I don't know where to begin. Go back and watch Jaacob again. You cannot find me a video where he actually employs the Shauger hand action going back.

@@Inmotion70 The following videos all explain what I was explaining in my original post to your modern vs classic release. Which by the way I think your swing is excellent. By no means am I judging you at all so let’s clear that of the table. I’ve watch your very detailed videos from start to finish and relish in your in person lessons from Mike Austin who did actually use more than one hand action in his teachings depending on the time the student was learning from him. Both Austin and Dunaway spoke of pronation of the lead arm during Austinology Tapes and later on in the privacy of Mikes home can be seen discussing the lead wrist Palm flexion and trail wrist pronation to keep the trail elbow on plane without getting stuck as it folds up! (The bowed left wrist at the top!) One thing that is very important to keep in mind about Dan Shauger was in reference to Mike Austin’s compound pivot as it pertains to the twist away wrist action. They had according to Dan in one of his videos a difference of opinion over how the pivot works with the new release that Austin was speaking about. It is of utmost importance that one does not mix Austin’s new release with the modern teachings of the golf swing since the use of the legs today and the weight shift are much different than they were in Mike,s swing and in videos where he taught various pros in his clinics. I don’t know your back ground prior to Mike’s lessons you had so if you already rolled your forearms on the backswing and downswing why would he advise you to change something that he himself did do and explain in various swing videos. He did also teach the opposite in clinics or demonstrations and to me he looked fully confident in his explanation as it was before his stroke using a one iron! In truth as long as what you are doing does not impede the free release( rolling or not) through impact and you are consistent enough to manage your ball around the course while being satisfied with the scores you shoot then keep up the good work. I think you will agree that giving yourself the greatest chance to consistently time your impact sending the ball to your target is really the true measure of your ball striking ability! If you cannot do that then it would be of the greatest importance to get clarification as to why your inconsistent at impact in order to practice the correct body actions to achieve higher quality results. Obviously you are from my observations of your swing videos performing your swing exceptionally! Shauger was an advocate of using as much of Austin’s pivot and hand action that your body allows you to based on age, or physical limitations. Better to use a portion correctly rather than over reach in frustration! So anyway here are the searches for some videos pertaining to our discussion. Please watch them with an open mind like Einstein and Borh had to have in order to appreciate the other’s observations. 1) Mike Dunaway Explains Hans Action. 2) Jaacob Bowden Spin the meatball concept 3) David Duval describing the Austin No Face rotation release 4) David Duval Discusses Hands Release part 1 & 2 5) Jaacob Bowden Video Testimonial of Dan Shauger Golf 6) Mike Austin Riveria Clinic (In this video Mike specifically explains the way he starts the backswing and counter rotates the trial forearm to keep the trail elbow in front of his body rather then get stuck behind him and why!). All while smashing his one iron😊 7) Dan Shauger Release (Jaacob Bowden is used in this demonstration). Notice that Jaacob’s lead shoulder externally rotated post impact allowing the elbow stay under his lead hand preventing the chicken wing that you said happens in your video on Dan Shauger’s counter wrist action takeaway/release. I know Dan said in one of his videos that the lead shoulder must rotates in the socket to keep the club on plane in the follow through but I saw that one several years ago when I was a member on his sight and cannot remember the video title. Most of his KZfaq videos are segments of full ones from his sight I was a member of a few years ago prior to his death. Jaacob had some videos on his Swing Man sight but I am not a member on it any longer either. Anyway I doubt your going to see my point here and that’s totally fine. I will continue to watch your stuff and take from it stuff that I consider essential and not fret over what may not apply to my swing. I prefer a simple single plane swing like Moe Norman’s over the two planes commonly taught today. Max distance isn’t my goal by any means the least complicated and easiest to time with the least practice is. I prefer to practice situational shots as opposed to my full swing since I never truly swing full for any club including the driver! Thanks for your feedback and keep up the great swing😎

now there's a name from the past....wonder how he's doing these days?

@@redhed9776 he has a channel, mostly does golf fitness stuff it seems

That's the in plane force which uncocks the wrists.

Don't delay the flap either....it's step and flap just like you are hitting a home run. If you wanted to hit a stinger or a low wind shot, you would then delay the flap.

What you're seeing is the release action isolated. When blended with a proper pivot, it will time out perfectly to give you a neutral wrist at impact.

Steve Pratt Golf - Steve, many thanks for clarifying so promptly.

"It's in the HONS MON!"

That's a Shauger concept.

The classic release moves the clubface square to square through the impact zone. If you are hooking the ball it means your body is not in position to support it...i.e. pivot is off.

Ram 1v ,I'm going s&t style swing ,nick Taylor and tom saguto do great vids on it,this type of swing has to many moving parts ,I recommend you at least look at it

@@slipperman1633 I watch Tom Saguto and subscribed to him also. Been watching a bunch of Mike Malaska and he had some good info on how the hands work and how to properly use your hips. His info and what Steve Pratt explains seem to go hand in hand. All great info on the golf swing.

Will only work with a good hand path, which he taught the opposite of.

Cheers Paul! At that point you have momentum to carry the club up. We just try to keep winding up the torso and the shoulder blades.

Steve Pratt Golf Many thanks.

@@paultompkins6148 Cheers Paul. Thanks for watching.

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This is not correct. The 'Old Method' is the ONLY way you can possibly swing a golf club unless you're holding it off or doing something terribly wrong. The order is FLAP then CROSS OVER.

@@Inmotion70 I totally agree, that this is the only way to swing a golf club. All that rubbish about swinging low left and keeping the club face square by closing it with your body, only negates the power of centrifugal force.

The hands do both. The flap dominates the impact zone. There is in plane torque, and out of plane torque.

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Your last name rocks.

Good question. Topic for another video. The left arm must be in the process of rolling through the impact zone before the hit or you will slice. Rolling the forearms can still keep the clubface moving square to square.

I like the way you put it.

Yes!

You're probably not sequencing the hips right.

@@Inmotion70 Thanks

Jaacob never made it past the regional in long drive, nor made much money playing mini tours. Ultimately he has made his biggest mark in speed golf, placing top 10 nationally. Super smart and nice guy.

Same action on all clubs.

He stated that he was in the Canadian RAF but there are zero records of him. I have searched. If you have anything about him from the Navy or a plane crash please send it on!

Yes. Although to me, a flip is a different motion than a flap.

Thanks Peter! Too kind.

Well he never made it past regionals, nor did he ever use Shauger's hand action. It is obvious watching him swing.

Wow I've rewatched every video and just incorporated the double wrist action and it's pretty amazing . Just swinging inside the house I thought the club was gonna fly out of my hand and into the TV tonight. Also unbelievably for some reason my contact is right on spot Everytime. I always thought this would cause me to flip or something into the ball but it's just produced more speed wow. Thanks man for making me rewatch these videos. Only been golfing for under a year and I've discovered the gold nugget. Now... practice!!

Yes way way way after impact...halfway through the finish.

I'd love to see a swing video sometime.

In my opinion the framerate of this video is not high enough to really assess the hand action during and immediately after impact. I think in the takeaway in Steve´s (very rhythmic and sound) swing the clubface is neutral to slightly closed, but surely not open. It seems to me there is more flipping action then rolling-over action in impact, but I´m not sure.

Actually you can't hit it as far because in his method the left wrist is in flexion at the top which is a weaker position than radial flexed.

OK I have made a note to do another video on that.

Interesting take. Let me think on it.

It's in the HONS mon.

No flap means dorsiflexion and palmar flexion of the wrists to flap it back and forth.

@@Inmotion70 Sorry I must be dense.. but I still can't see a difference between a flap and flip. How are the wrists working in flip that is different than a flap.

@@johnt697 wrists way more active turning with a flip and flap where they hinge rather then hinge and rotate over at contact

@@jimmypeach8838 I don't want to sound like an a&&hole, but what the instructor is demonstrating as a flap doesnt look any different than a flip. I guess he is trying to avoid the negative connotation a flip has. And not sure what you mean by turning motion that makes it a flip. I've never heard any one define a flip as turning motion.

@@johnt697 I mean rolling wrists over... think of the club head.... stays square thru impact with a flap and head is only square for a millisecond with a flip cause its rotating thru impact.... so you gotta time it spot on making it harder

Strong grips can be great for hitting fades...no roll just flap.

@@Inmotion70 I agree so many think strong means hooking but not if you're a flapper lol

@@jimmypeach8838 Most of the greatest faders had a strong grip.

Thanks Gary!