Inner Wheel Lift: A Method For INFINITE Cornering Grip

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This is the Inner Wheel Lift for Assetto Corsa Touge. An extraordinary technique popularised by initial d that many drivers want to replicate. In this video, I’m going to be telling you all you need to know about the inner wheel lift, and at the end ill be showing you exactly how to do it. So, make sure you stay tuned, because you won’t want to miss out on this one.
So, what exactly is the inner wheel lift? An inner wheel lift essentially means floating a single inner tyre float above a gutter. It’s stated that Wheel lifting allows the driver to take a corner at higher speeds than usual, due to more weight being shifted to the rear tyres. But, as usual, there are a group of people that deny this, and would call inner wheel lifting anime make believe. So, let’s take a look at the actual physics behind wheel lifting, and make up our own minds about it.
Wheel lifting has been around for far longer than initial d has. And, even without gutters. In fact, we can see race cars as far back as the 1950s lifting their inside wheels. This wasn’t done by accident, either. Many race cars and even some street cars are intentionally set up to lift up their inside tyres. From F1 cars, to trophy trucks and even that riced out honda civic that blasts past your house at 3am every morning. So, why do they do this? Surely less tyre contact with the tarmac means less grip right? Well, not quite.
In fact, lifting a front tyre can actually increase traction. Let me explain;
When you corner in a car, it practically wedges itself into a corner. The weight of the car is shifted towards the outside due to g force, and as a result, your outside tyres are putting far more work in than the insides. However, the car will want to distribute grip equally to all four tyres - and as a result, we actually waste grip on the insides, simply because it isn’t needed there.
So, that’s why racing teams across the globe want their inside tyres to lift. Simply because it allows the car to send more grip to the outside tyres, which aids with cornering, and allows the driver to do so at higher speeds . But, this does come with one downside. With only two tyres putting in 95% of the work, the car also becomes more unstable. It’s far easier to go over the limit of grip, making the car much more unstable.
It goes without saying that pretty much all cars that are raced on the touge are also street cars. They didn’t have teams of mechanics behind them, or suspension systems that cost an arm and a leg. The cars we race on the touge have to be driveable on the day to day. So, naturally, their suspensions are relatively soft compared to the cars we were just talking about. Lifting a street suspension - or even coil overs is next to impossible. So, the question is; how do we lift a wheel without actually lifting a wheel? The answer is of course gutters. Not only do gutters allow us to load our outside tyres with more grip, but they also allow us to do it in such away that doesn’t sacrifice too much stability - simply because we aren’t lifting our wheel mechanically. In fact, we still maintain all the characteristics of a soft suspension. We’re just not letting our car deliver grip to our inside tyre.
The touge that I chose for the inner wheel lift is nagao by euro and kozzren. It has massive, open gutters that are perfect for this technique. When I first started attempting the inner wheel lift, I had a lot of trouble. I was actually trying to do it on a full grip run - which is where the issue lies. I found it hard to keep up enough momentum for the wheel to actually float, whilst also staying on the racing line. You need to already be near the limit of grip for the lateral g forces to be so high that your car doesnt just fall into the gutter. Another factor that played into this was the ability to get just one wheel over the gutter whilst gripping. It was surprisingly hard, and I found that you needed to be oversteering - or drifting if you want to do the inner wheel lift.
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@bleachit42
@bleachit42 2 жыл бұрын
I love how Initial D just seems like anime being anime but it’s actually a drift bible.
@TSRB
@TSRB 2 жыл бұрын
They hired Keiichi Tsuchiya as a consultant, so it's extremely accurate! I think people focus too much on the visuals instead of the technical stuff
@bubbleman2002
@bubbleman2002 2 жыл бұрын
@@TSRB To be fair the show does cut out a lot of the technical stuff the manga had.
@s1l3nt30
@s1l3nt30 2 жыл бұрын
@@bubbleman2002 I remember a lot of parts said by the narrator/the box text that went pretty in depth about why things were happening. They tried to add some of it in through ryosuke and the spectators but a good amount was left out. For example, there was almost 2/3rds of a chapter explaining how Kai Kogashiwas superior left foot braking from driving on the circuit was helping him catch up to takumi near the end of their race, and I don't remember that happening in the anime.
@tommyshommy
@tommyshommy 2 жыл бұрын
@@s1l3nt30 you're right, you could only see him doing it in one of the scenes but they didn't explain it
@EuroBeat
@EuroBeat 2 жыл бұрын
It really isnt. Although it does name-drop some things like "braking/inertia drift", it never goes into detail about how you properly do it. And as mentioned by others, it cut out a lot of technical stuff from the manga.
@drulik9929
@drulik9929 2 жыл бұрын
finally tutorial for mx5 drivers
@darttroll7666
@darttroll7666 2 жыл бұрын
"If an 86 can do it, so I can do it too" 5 seconds later... *Rage your dream intensifies*
@AverageAviationist12
@AverageAviationist12 Жыл бұрын
@@darttroll7666 FR Maita be like
@GamerKabsYT
@GamerKabsYT 3 ай бұрын
Miata becones airplane ​@@darttroll7666
@Kxll_Edits
@Kxll_Edits 2 ай бұрын
💀
@UncleRJ
@UncleRJ 2 жыл бұрын
The inner wheel lift is probably the best technique Takumi had ever done. It's the perfect combination of both performance and show. It's a work of art.
@mexicanjesus8672
@mexicanjesus8672 2 жыл бұрын
he slays his death star
@caledonianrailway1233
@caledonianrailway1233 Жыл бұрын
@@mexicanjesus8672 English please
@mexicanjesus8672
@mexicanjesus8672 Жыл бұрын
@@caledonianrailway1233 the greatest thing luke skywalker ever did was taking out the deathstar ae86 inter tire lift is taking out a deathstar
@caledonianrailway1233
@caledonianrailway1233 Жыл бұрын
@@mexicanjesus8672 ok
@6pytuc570
@6pytuc570 2 жыл бұрын
I dont have a steering wheel and do not play asseto corsa or any other serious simulators other than beamng but dang this channel is so chill and nice overall. Keep up the great work fella!
@kunaikilla
@kunaikilla 2 жыл бұрын
I wish i had beamng so bad. About how many gb?
@MrRadicalMoves
@MrRadicalMoves 2 жыл бұрын
@@kunaikilla Well... it depends on the amount of mods you want mostly, and the Dev team know that thus why on the Steam page they recommend 30GB's. The reality though is that the game is (currently) only about 5 or 6GB's in size.
@ztsottles
@ztsottles 2 жыл бұрын
All I have is an Xbox and forza so it's okay
@kunaikilla
@kunaikilla 2 жыл бұрын
Thats crazy small. Im gonna try to get it soon.
@cmbaileytstc
@cmbaileytstc 2 жыл бұрын
Physics is pretty much physics and SRB plays Beam sometimes as well so it all applies. My first car sim was Beam, then got AC because of all the awesome old car and track mods, but sigh Beam’s latest updates that’s all I’ve been playing for a few months.
@IKATEN501
@IKATEN501 2 жыл бұрын
"Inner wheel-lift, he's good but i doubt that such an artistic control actually contributes to his speed." -Kai Kogashiwa
@feherzsombor1930
@feherzsombor1930 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot the i
@was_legendaryYT
@was_legendaryYT 2 жыл бұрын
Right before he got smoked.
@superspeeder9184
@superspeeder9184 2 жыл бұрын
He was right. Inner wheel lift makes you lose contact with the ground which is not optimal, unless you do it in a corner that youll be very briefly going through, so that you dont need grip in it anyway. Think using the grass on the uphill chicane near the end on gunsai. You dont need grip there so you use the grass to get a better entry into a corner that will legit require grip. On top of that, in most cars when you go out of the gutter, despite lifting the wheel, if you have soft suspension like most kunos touge cars aside from the 86 drift and tuned, youre gonna drop one of your tyres into the gutter, even if its just a little bit, and as a result your car will jump up on the exit slightly, upsetting the car, and making you lose grip. Having said that, its not fast, but extremely satisfying to do on tsubaki line or nagao. tl:dr - inner wheel lift messes with your mid-corner speed, and messes up your exit in almost any corner type. Resolution - it's slower, don't use it, unless its for fun or style points :)
@supawonk
@supawonk 2 жыл бұрын
@@superspeeder9184 average IQ moment
@failingattempt9984
@failingattempt9984 Жыл бұрын
@@superspeeder9184 didn't watch the video moment
@ProfessorHoots
@ProfessorHoots 2 жыл бұрын
3:33 man, thats a lot of wheel lift. Your a pro at this!
@PiroFyre
@PiroFyre 2 жыл бұрын
Inner wheel lifting is very common in autocross. You'll see it a lot on FWD cars since a lot of them have a weight distribution of 60F/40R or similar. I will take my own car for example, the Veloster N with a weight distribution of 64/36. It lifts the inner rear wheel a lot, even when it was 100% stock. The benefits of it for a FWD car is that it does cut the rear grip in half and allows the rear end to rotate. A lot of race teams actually try to avoid this when setting up racecars because they want to have their driver have 100% control of the car with 100% predictability. When a wheel is off the ground, it gets to be a little unpredictable of what the car will end up doing. Even then, it still happens to them because you can't beat physics. Also, FWD usually lifts the inner rear wheel on corner entry while RWD cars lift the inner fronts on corner exits. It's all about weight transfer. And when you see an inner wheel lifting, it usually relates to the car understeering. I don't know if Assetto Corsa will let you adjust car settings but if you want to setup a RWD car for this effect, try doing a very soft rear end and stiff front end with more camber in the front than rear. Running a mid-engine car and slicks for tires would help too.
@LUCKIPUP
@LUCKIPUP 2 жыл бұрын
its even in FD im pretty sure Vaughn and Chelsea ran inner wheel lift specifically for this reason, it allows for more grip and grip in FD is everything, moreso than power
@superspeeder9184
@superspeeder9184 2 жыл бұрын
i wish tsrb was as well-informed about racing as you are, thanks for this comment, i learned something new!
@Creeperboy099
@Creeperboy099 Жыл бұрын
I hear inner wheel lift and I think of Jordan Cox’s EG civic
@terrorbird4022
@terrorbird4022 2 жыл бұрын
You can get inner wheel lift on street cars with the right sway bar stiffness. On my FWD Honda I have a stiffer rear sway bar that causes my rear inside tire to lift so I can decrease rear grip and reduce the cars tendency to under steer and I see Miata’s wanting to lift their front inside tire while tearing up AutoX courses all the time.
@kasuraga
@kasuraga 2 жыл бұрын
That's basically the primary factor in lifting a wheel. Spring rate and sway bar stiffness. Stiffer front bar and softer rear bar will cause the front to want to lift, softer front bar, stiffer rear bar will make the rear wheel lift more.
@Impactjunky
@Impactjunky 2 жыл бұрын
I've lifted the inside front tire in a hard curve with my 68 Satellite Roadrunner before. Some people didn't believe me until I found a picture of a stock 68 Charger (which is the same car as the Roadrunner under the skin) doing the same thing on little pizza cutter tires. Another guy I know with a 69 Satellite with a full fiberglass front end has done the same thing multiple times. He actually thought there was something wrong with his suspension until I told him inner wheel lift was fairly common and desirable. The 68-70 Mopar B body platform was designed to handle as good as possible on skinny little bias ply tires so they actually drive really good for an old car once you put some good tires on them. Mine has just shy of a foot of rubber on each rear wheel and just over 10 inches on each front.
@moto324
@moto324 2 жыл бұрын
My wrx wagon was getting the rear inside wheel off the ground a surprising amount on track
@Tycy2014
@Tycy2014 2 жыл бұрын
Ya I run a stiff rear sway bar on my vloster n to combat its tendency to understeer and I have got the back inside up before, but I was getting the best slip angle possible and I don't think right now I can do it consistently or when I want... no I know I can't right now.
@terrorbird4022
@terrorbird4022 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tycy2014 if you don’t have adjustable suspension you can try over inflating the rear tires a tiny bit. That will cause them to balloon a bit and less of the contact patch will meet the road so it’s like running a fake staggered tire setup.
@TheHengeProphet
@TheHengeProphet 2 жыл бұрын
Gutter dipping is also a known rally technique, called "hook" I believe, and a large part of the purpose is to actually lock the front wheel into the gutter to pull the car through the corner. Much closer to the technique featured in Initial D.
@TSRB
@TSRB 2 жыл бұрын
Both were in initial D and I've actually made a vid on the other one already! :)
@TheHengeProphet
@TheHengeProphet 2 жыл бұрын
@@TSRB That video covered shallow edged gutters, and not hard edged gutters like what is featured here, in which the inside of the wheel can be hooked onto the gutter (this isn't the safest technique for your suspension, so probably not something you want to do if you don't have a budget or mechanics team).
@FOXeye95
@FOXeye95 2 жыл бұрын
careful with cambered corners irl at certain speeds, it does help you corner but it can give you a false sense of safety and slingshot your car against a rail instead of the corner exit.
@fitomunozserrano9500
@fitomunozserrano9500 2 жыл бұрын
i came to say, that this works while keeping the grip in front whel drive too, the trick is to imagine the apex a few steps before it would be in the simple turn and keep hard in the stearing while you are nearly entering over the gap
@mrpandasian8871
@mrpandasian8871 2 жыл бұрын
I actually never even considered playing assetto corsa until I started watching your videos on driving touge in racing Sims a few months ago and it's been pretty fun so far, I average about just under 7 minutes on the akina downhill instead of 9 minutes now haha
@lachlanevans1157
@lachlanevans1157 2 жыл бұрын
I’m loving the new videos, it’s good how you’re doing some real life examples with the touge examples
@sumiya1780
@sumiya1780 2 жыл бұрын
your contents are so detailed.. i always jump into your channel when I'm stucked and can't figure out what am i doing wrong in my sim touge sessions.. Thanks so much, you helped me a lot! +rep
@superspeeder9184
@superspeeder9184 2 жыл бұрын
ts good that you like it, but please dont take any of his driving advice seriously. Most of his techniques are just displayed as being fast, but actually would lose you time in most scenarios as opposed to more traditional driving. a good example of that is the "shift lock" or this inner wheel lift. For actual driving advice id recommend channels like Driver61.
@NekoPufferPPP
@NekoPufferPPP 2 жыл бұрын
I love this kind of content, keep it up! You're doing a fantastic job explaining everything!
@ThBlueSalamander
@ThBlueSalamander 2 жыл бұрын
owo
@superspeeder9184
@superspeeder9184 2 жыл бұрын
its good that you like it, but please dont take any of his driving advice seriously. Most of his techniques are just displayed as being fast, but actually would lose you time in most scenarios as opposed to more traditional driving. a good example of that is the "shift lock" or this inner wheel lift.
@acethemain7776
@acethemain7776 2 жыл бұрын
7:09 thats me!!!!
@wh0isgeorgee270
@wh0isgeorgee270 2 жыл бұрын
ayo fr.
@acethemain7776
@acethemain7776 2 жыл бұрын
@@wh0isgeorgee270 in the comments section
@automota
@automota 2 жыл бұрын
Always contextual content, that’s why I loved this channel. Really helps to improve my driving!
@vadim752
@vadim752 2 жыл бұрын
initial d taught me so much abt touge(heel and toe, tires gestion, slip angle, gripping, all whel drifts,etc....) it was the main reason i started to touge
@JediTazz35
@JediTazz35 Жыл бұрын
I love how u explained this even watching initial D I can understand it but u make it more understandable
@Homicidal_Llama
@Homicidal_Llama 2 жыл бұрын
It's not to make you faster. The whole point of it in the show was using the technique to have a tighter line so Takumi could pass on the inside by driving over a place that has no road.
@ndb6ndk99
@ndb6ndk99 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff! Wish I found your channel sooner, you have great production quality!
@kreiyt28
@kreiyt28 2 жыл бұрын
4:45 WHAT A BEAUTIFUL TRANSITION!
@ryosuketakahashi4957
@ryosuketakahashi4957 2 жыл бұрын
Love your content man, especially these guides. Keep it up
@tommyshommy
@tommyshommy 2 жыл бұрын
Damn son a stamp of approval from the leader of Project D
@charusu6624
@charusu6624 2 жыл бұрын
AAAAAAAAAAAAA RYOSUKE
@Samxd90
@Samxd90 2 жыл бұрын
Yea approved boi
@azagedon
@azagedon Жыл бұрын
The production value of these videos is second to none, subbed!
@kaedeschulz5422
@kaedeschulz5422 2 жыл бұрын
This is amazing mate! And i have noticed that this is something i always did on certain tracks without even knowing it WOW
@simondehaas6460
@simondehaas6460 2 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic channel you have, your hard work doesnt go unnoticed. Great writing, and pacing. And so goddamn informative!
@SidewaysGts
@SidewaysGts 2 жыл бұрын
Been awhile since I watched, but if i recall right from initial d- The "idea" behind the gutter lift is that it allowed takumi to take a shorter line / tighter apex through the corner.
@SychoGamingMemes
@SychoGamingMemes 2 жыл бұрын
I've asked for it and ITS HERE! Nice video
@Smug_Azami
@Smug_Azami 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video on the intricate art of inner wheel lift, I just have one issue with how you described the transfer of grip. When it comes to the tires of a car they are designed to operate in a certain ground pressure range, often when you start transferring weight you will loose total grip because you will be overloading certain tires, this is ok because it’s usually those tires that are doing the most work like you said, but it’s important to note that this does decrease the total grip a car is making. In rwd cars atleast (not sure with fwd) the reduction in the grip of the front wheels through this transfer to the rear wheels helps with corner exit, thus the inner front is the least loaded, and if the car is soft enough and the suspension can’t extend enough the front wheel will lift.
@Abeerfrv
@Abeerfrv 4 ай бұрын
You can also do the gutter run while gripping. The gutters shown in the video weren't suitable for that though. These gutters also resemble the one from when Takumi battled that red miata. Takumi didn't put his inner 2 wheels in the gutter. He simply put his front right tyre over the gutter. But the gutters in Akina can allow for 2 wheeled gutter run, due to them not being very deep. And you can also see Takumi doing it.
@groovefox1593
@groovefox1593 2 жыл бұрын
The reverse is also possible with this same technique IRL. When I need to cut a corner that has sharp bump, I'll make that wheel "float" so the car doesn't get affected by the sudden hit. Same thing either direction. Especially useful when you forgot the track, but cut the corner anyways...
@Joopyter724
@Joopyter724 4 ай бұрын
This works really well in rally as being on gravel negates almost all the downsides of it so if you're sliding anyways dropping an inside wheel off a ditch is very beneficial
@fin8748
@fin8748 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is so underrated!
@muj7697
@muj7697 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video thank you man
@GSpinsOnTrack
@GSpinsOnTrack 2 жыл бұрын
this was a very good video i have tried to do this but it never worked while gripping now I know to drift to get the wheel to lift
@specializedracer
@specializedracer 2 жыл бұрын
I use this technique on tsukuba touge its fun to do it with the r32 thanks for teaching me this
@CV511
@CV511 5 ай бұрын
A lot of rally stages allow us to inner lift effectively. Fun stuff.
@SeanCampbell_iRacing
@SeanCampbell_iRacing 11 ай бұрын
I have been grinding the record down on Tsubaki for the past 5 ish months, and it turns out that wheel lifting actually isn't quicker at that track in some corners, because of the grass on the inside. This is probably an Assetto things, but even the tiny bit of grass makes the tire lose overall grip, slowing it down 'till the grass comes off. Interesting mechanic i guess, it does work on other tracks, and most corners.
@SpaceFoxAD
@SpaceFoxAD 2 жыл бұрын
I've found that lifting the inner wheel is easy to practice on usui short's first few corners
@onizukabetrippin5732
@onizukabetrippin5732 2 жыл бұрын
Ngl if i have this setup for Asseto Corsa i will try all your techniques that you show on this video good job
@UyeGaming
@UyeGaming 2 жыл бұрын
I liked this video so much I even downloaded it.
@TMCharly
@TMCharly 2 жыл бұрын
you should try it on Tsukuba Fruit Line, you can make your inner wheel reach the other side of the gutter and actually cut corners
@davidmadison5582
@davidmadison5582 2 жыл бұрын
This was awesome
@johnstephenson3019
@johnstephenson3019 2 жыл бұрын
another killer video!
@mexicanjesus8672
@mexicanjesus8672 2 жыл бұрын
this is nice and fun keep them up
@oross4001
@oross4001 2 жыл бұрын
So interesting n cool n chill
@harvs597
@harvs597 2 жыл бұрын
like button smashed lad
@thisiswtfitis
@thisiswtfitis 2 жыл бұрын
The gutter doesnt load outside tyres. Its lateral g force that does this and lifts the inner wheel. The gutter allowed viewer to see this mechanism in action more clearly and allowed Takumi space to get closer to the apex which was unavailable for his opponent without falling in
@ALPatingitGaming
@ALPatingitGaming Жыл бұрын
Slip Angle + this technique = More than a Legendary driver
@HarleyWolfe66
@HarleyWolfe66 Жыл бұрын
At a dirt track I used to race at there was a driver in Outlaw mini stock Had his car set up So he could lift that inside front wheel as he went into the curve and carry it all the way through the turn. No one could touch him in a turn. They'd be a little ford pintos with high performance engines.
@winter4
@winter4 2 жыл бұрын
soooo thank you for letting me know I did this unconsciously but meow I can see if and can do this faster then I already am!
@thatoneperson7640
@thatoneperson7640 2 жыл бұрын
3:29 history repeats *If an 86 can do it* Is you fav colour yellow
@Cyberware77
@Cyberware77 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@colten2524
@colten2524 2 жыл бұрын
i'm pretty sure wheel lifting makes you faster because you're basically using more space, making the corner bigger.
@satriabagaskara4198
@satriabagaskara4198 2 жыл бұрын
the formula cars are still within track limits when they lift their wheels. i think its really more to do with grip distribution. trophy trucks does that a lot.
@caseys_cozy_garage
@caseys_cozy_garage 2 жыл бұрын
This video was super cool! I'm glad you've recommended me this. Can you set up gt3 cars like this?
@flummi6966
@flummi6966 Жыл бұрын
There is a similar situation at Boulder Bank long reverse in Wreckfest,i always struggle there bcs you have a double bump braking zone into a gutter.
@potatojake197
@potatojake197 2 жыл бұрын
2:33 I did smashing the like button like in the video, covered eyes for random amount of clicks and boom, landed on a like
@tankingwithtigers136
@tankingwithtigers136 2 жыл бұрын
Bout do go do this in my MX 5 with my new eibach sway bars. Not whilst chasing an 86 of course.
@999benhonda
@999benhonda Жыл бұрын
The wheel lift in initial d had nothing to do with speed, it allowed for an inside racing line that wasn't possible by the opponent. In initial d, the wheel lift basically changed the radius and Apex of the turn.
@santiagogiuntoli6726
@santiagogiuntoli6726 2 жыл бұрын
One of the most counter intuitive things in racing physics. If outer wheels keep a major grip, I would have bet that it would PULL the car towards the outer side of the curve therefore making the car more prone to understeer as, like we all know, more grip means more rolling resistance. But it seems ita negated. A thing I learned by racing karts. I was leaning towards the inside of the corner when I was supposed not to or to do the contrary
@bananatofusbox
@bananatofusbox 2 жыл бұрын
ooooo.... very helpful, thank you sir, i got a question, would you ever make a vid on Toshiya "God Arm" Joshima's driving technique? One handed steering
@muhammadryanelyeddari8631
@muhammadryanelyeddari8631 4 ай бұрын
Could be a great overtaking move. Imagine moving to the middle of the road to stop the car behind you from attacking from the outside, then moving toward the apex to be cut off by a car drifting on the absolute inside of the corner way faster than you're gripping. You'd think, surely they'll lose control and crash into the guardrail but then they don't and end up coming out of the corner ahead and blocking you while drifting through the next corner.
@zackunderdown9713
@zackunderdown9713 Жыл бұрын
You can negate the exit speed loss by using a "four wheel drift". By which I mean The classic Jackie Stewarts era technique, not having all four wheels burning rubber. The idea is to use snap oversteer at the entrance, then once you hit the apex you transition to a state of understeer pulling the car out of the slide. Funny enough you shouldn't be countersteering much either. You want to keep the slip angle as low as possible. Your inside rear wheel should be right on the edge of the gutter, while the inside front is actually over the gutter. The less slip angle, and countersteer you use the faster you will go. p.s great video I'm subbing.
@reecemacdonald9442
@reecemacdonald9442 2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid
@connorharrison5013
@connorharrison5013 2 жыл бұрын
nice enjoyed
@fdota
@fdota Жыл бұрын
Incredible 😀
@chapel976
@chapel976 6 ай бұрын
My favorite thing to do in Rally and dirt ovals
@DTXShadows
@DTXShadows Жыл бұрын
yes I enjoyed it
@miguelregovieites7604
@miguelregovieites7604 2 жыл бұрын
GUTTER TECHNIQUE!!!!!!!
@NothingXemnas
@NothingXemnas 2 жыл бұрын
Assuming street cars to have softer suspension (therefore necessitating the gutter for lift) is right, except it doesn't apply to specifically Takumi's AE86. Both anime and manga heavily imply that the car is modified by Bunta to a racing spec, specifically rally and drifting. MAYBE, despite being a modified car, Bunta decided on keeping the suspension softer (and requiring the lift) deliberately, to better protect the tofu cargo during delivery.
@carlosrey1331
@carlosrey1331 2 жыл бұрын
AC its not the best example for this experiment. It´s well known that AC physics are well acurated in track/flat tarmac surfaces, but when becomes to rally/bumps/ditches situations or lets say out of "track situations" like this, car behaviors could be very imprecise. You could achieve this better using NGP6 physics RBR, but anyway you made your point successfully. AC its better for recording and sharing though . Love inital D, Good work mate.
@majestic6idiot
@majestic6idiot 8 ай бұрын
haha yeah so good i subscribed earlier today for more videos just like this one!!!!!!
@RYZEN2077
@RYZEN2077 11 ай бұрын
I use this with slip angle it eliminates problems
@daneneedoba8930
@daneneedoba8930 2 жыл бұрын
I actually utilize this irl in a civic. A corner you take at 110km/he can be done at 120-130 depending on road conditions. Passengers flip out, it's great.
@thesmilingknight4982
@thesmilingknight4982 2 жыл бұрын
to think these tips and tricks are helping me drive in a roblox game... its pretty impressive
@itonylee1
@itonylee1 Жыл бұрын
There are few conditions that need to be meet for doing front inner wheel lift. 1: RWD is a must, 4WD may work, AWD is no and definitely no FWD. 2: Shorter front wheel suspension and more stiffer spring as well. rear wheel suspension need to be softer and longer to ensure the lift. 3: It only work when car is exit the corner and when vehicle is in acceleration. that mean there must have enough traction at rear wheel to continue push the head up. This is actually very common stunt on off road truck, check on Robby Gordon
@mio4786
@mio4786 2 жыл бұрын
Can you pls go through the best hairpin method for RWD, FWD and 4WD?
@jakebarlow100
@jakebarlow100 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, but what about a 3 wheel lift? On a road I used for work for a few months there's one corner marked as "safe" at exactly half the speed limit, but it's got a huge smooth inside to the corner that let's even the worst handling car take it at the speed limit if you use the shoulder. The problem is they've patched a large chunk right on the apex which has lasted well, while the road before and after it has sunk. The 3rd last day I used the road I really pushed it and tucked in at over double the recommended speed for the corner, upon hitting the bump every tyre besides the front right (luckily it's a fwd) lifted off the ground for the entire exit of the corner. It was an unbelievable feeling to feel the car lift off and rotate the final bit around a single tyre, luckily I kept it pointed where I wanted to go and the throttle in and it just sat down straight and pulled out of the corner happily. I'd love to see you try to replicate this if there's any tracks with a similar mid apex bump
@ghostofakina2512
@ghostofakina2512 2 жыл бұрын
I think gutters like that can also help a bit because you are more on the inside of the corner
@kasuraga
@kasuraga 11 ай бұрын
yeah, that was the reason why takumi was told theres a different way to use the open gutters. Its all about weight distribution. His car wouldve been just as fast around the corner normally, but he was able to cut a far closer line on the inside by letting his front wheel float above the empty gutter
@jankington216
@jankington216 2 жыл бұрын
The only way this helps is that because the weight is already on the left wheels, the right wheels aren't gonna wanna fall into the rut and you have more road to steer with. Inner wheel lift is the result, not the input. Removing ground from the right side of the car does not increase grip on the left side, it decreases grip on the right side. Luckily, the car is being yeeted to the left with enough force that you don't need the right wheels as much for that moment
@FiftyCharacters
@FiftyCharacters 2 жыл бұрын
“From f1 cars to trophy trucks” *shows pictures of Robby Gordon’s Super stadium truck* Me: *confused driver noises*
@communistloser3182
@communistloser3182 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, small issue I have with it is that for the grip run it looks like you are in the middle of the track instead of following the classic out-in-out, which could really change the speed you can take through the turn. It also looked like you were turning in a bit to early but that could just be me. I should also say that I don't know what the corner before this looked like, this is just my observation
@TSRB
@TSRB 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah both cars were in the middle of the road, one was just sideways. That's the correct line as it is after a right angled corner.
@communistloser3182
@communistloser3182 2 жыл бұрын
@@TSRB Ahhh, that explains it
@sumblwnup8695
@sumblwnup8695 2 жыл бұрын
Time to do this in my NA Miata
@nsxlocalities
@nsxlocalities 2 жыл бұрын
Go Beat Crazy *miata flip intensifies*
@norton7881
@norton7881 2 жыл бұрын
Me who see the video very times when you upload: Fuck a special techniques who now is common More seriously it's very cool your videos it permit for some people to have a tutorial and make it more easier it's better than do like me and training for 10 hours just for that 😅
@bchayden9535
@bchayden9535 2 жыл бұрын
I've done this before in a drift run down akina not fully intentionally and the feedback felt so weird
@DrabenGaming
@DrabenGaming 11 ай бұрын
thank you! this works but i almost crashed into my neighbors house... but good thing no one saw me
@char_rb7367
@char_rb7367 2 жыл бұрын
5:01 its called a banked corner btw
@CancerArpegius
@CancerArpegius Жыл бұрын
Make a review of the actual drift bible vcr
@mikeraphone7868
@mikeraphone7868 Жыл бұрын
The point at 1:44 doesn't really add up to me "However, the car will want to distribute grip equally to all four tyres - and as a result, we actually waste grip on the insides, simply because it isn’t needed there." I don't know if I'm misunderstanding or you're oversimplifying, but this isn't how I've understood vertical load and grip to work. I've always understood that there is a near linear relationship between weight on a tire and the resulting grip. However this does approach a limit where the grip increases less and less for the increased vertical load. This means that, for example, a car cornering with 80% of the vertical load on the outside tires (which are doing most of the work) would be bringing the outside tires further into this decrease in grip. If the car was set up in a way that caused only 60% of the vertical load to be on the outside tires, all the tires would be kept below this point of decreasing grip. Applying this to a car lifting its inside wheel, the three other wheels would be vertically loaded more and would be providing less total grip, according to this reasoning. This is an explanation of tire grip I've seen in many places relating to rubber tire grip on asphalt. So I'm curious where you got your information, I'd like to look into it more because this technique clearly works, but I don't think the theory is completely solid.
@_mr.boss_1308
@_mr.boss_1308 2 жыл бұрын
Its best to use this technique with slip angle instead of drifting, check his video on slip angle if u dont know what it is.
@rodrigojimenezsosa2124
@rodrigojimenezsosa2124 2 жыл бұрын
what music do you use for the background, im in love
@cb22ng
@cb22ng 2 жыл бұрын
Ironic I just tried doing this for the first time randomly yesterday and then this video comes out lmao
@flyingscotsman_a3
@flyingscotsman_a3 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly it's one of the only techniques that makes drifting faster than gripping.
@pentilex4338
@pentilex4338 2 жыл бұрын
It's not drifting, it's slip angle. You haven't actually broken traction, you're just close to it.
@datdabdoe1417
@datdabdoe1417 2 жыл бұрын
@@pentilex4338 This is drifting. Slip angle is a Very Slight thing. Almost difficult to notice if you don't know what to look for. Slip wouldn't generate enough angle to keep the rear on pavement. Notice the countersteering. if there is sustained countersteering, it's a drift.
@thischannelisback3153
@thischannelisback3153 Жыл бұрын
drift is faster if you do it right
@youraveragegamer8832
@youraveragegamer8832 Жыл бұрын
@@thischannelisback3153 If this were true most of F1 and rallyists would drift more. They do sometimes, but it's pretty rare. It's definitely cool as hell though
@mgtowphilippines8164
@mgtowphilippines8164 4 ай бұрын
@@youraveragegamer8832they might be doing four wheel drift or slip angle
@qrowok1104
@qrowok1104 2 жыл бұрын
inner wheel lift seems to be good to overtake on the inside
@gaijingabber1056
@gaijingabber1056 2 жыл бұрын
2:39 omg I know this fucking song your gonna have me going through all my old dnb albums to find this track
@TouringCarsAndStuff
@TouringCarsAndStuff 2 жыл бұрын
I use techniques like this in a game in roblox called midnight racing
@luispsotorc5137
@luispsotorc5137 2 жыл бұрын
I guess this should be used like takumi did, to overtake
@duzzlotkteam4154
@duzzlotkteam4154 2 жыл бұрын
haha yeah so good im already subscribed for more videos just like this one!!!!!!! xd
@jar-jarnotbinks7685
@jar-jarnotbinks7685 2 жыл бұрын
nice !
@turkicsayajin2274
@turkicsayajin2274 2 жыл бұрын
how would you tune a car to specially have a bit of inner wheel drift if that’s possible ?
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