This Chinese style of Kickboxing blows me away - Expert martial artist breaks down Sanda

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@jm7578
@jm7578 Жыл бұрын
I lived in China and trained San Da, all of the moves comes from traditional Chinese arts, especially Shuai Jiao, that’s why, when people say, the traditional arts don’t work, that’s not entirely true it’s just that the practical parts of the traditional arts were all put into Sanda
@burningknuckle26
@burningknuckle26 Жыл бұрын
100% the shuai Jiao is awesome. Cung le does it
@LeyvatenLoop
@LeyvatenLoop 10 ай бұрын
The Chinese cultural revolution from the 1960's have a lot to do with this disparity, as the Chinese government used martial arts as a form of propaganda tool to foster nationalism, more specificaly creating form competitions and exagerating them in a sort of martial themed gymnastics, as training forms exclusively leads to a much bigger adhesion than fighting, as very few people are willing to face a fight or even sparring. Sanda's roots comes mostly from the schools/teachers that didn't adhered to the type of training the government pushed, and wanted to have some sort of combat sport to use what they trained, and eventually got government support for reasons that are pretty much what was said in the video Edit: Mistyped the year :v
@watamutha
@watamutha 5 ай бұрын
Well that's the hard part really...finding the moves that work for you among all those Chinese martial arts! There's practical moves in all of them.
@johnyossarian9059
@johnyossarian9059 4 ай бұрын
@@LeyvatenLoop The Cultural Revolution in the 1920's? Training forms leads to bigger adhesion? What?
@LeyvatenLoop
@LeyvatenLoop 4 ай бұрын
LMAO I mistyped the year, thanks for pointing out I'm gonna fix that, but that aside, what's your question? Training forms led to massive adhesion, as, unsurprisingly, not a lot of people are willing to learn how to actually fight, as this involves a lot of uncomfortable situations such as getting punched, facing the fact that a lot of people are much better at fighting than you, etc... Training only forms for casual practitioners on the other hand only require you to do the movements that look and feel cool, while your teacher gives you some lip service to make you believe you are a fantastic fightes because of it. Guess which type of training had a lot more casual students in the pre-internet, pre-MMA era?
@SuperCucko
@SuperCucko Жыл бұрын
I saw a video a while back that had an interview with a sanda coach who was there in the 80's when they developed the style. He said the punches were boxing, the kicks were wushu with a little muay thai (they have snappy and thai style roundhouse kicks), and the grappling is all shuai chiao and mongolian wrestling. I got to train in it a little, super fun style! It came pretty natural to me since i already had tkd/kickboxing/judo experience
@robertmiller8110
@robertmiller8110 Жыл бұрын
Awesome man, I remember watching this as well. Similar to the way the various British wrestling styles evolved to form catch wrestling (Cumberland, Devonshire, Scottish pummeling, Irish collar & tie), different regional variations also exist in shuai jiao focusing on belt, lapel etc. Which were incorporated but they definitely took some inspiration from judo/jujutsu, too. Chinese styles do have a very diverse array of takedowns but man I'm in HK and there are almost no shuai jiao or sanshou/sanda schools at all.
@crypticnomad
@crypticnomad Жыл бұрын
Shuai Jiao is really fun! It is similar in a lot of ways to judo but I like it a lot more than judo for a few reasons. One of the main reasons is they allow striking in competition which changes things a lot. Another reason is that Shuai Jiao has some extremely useful concepts that I haven't really seen anywhere else and those concepts are extremely useful/practical in real world situations vs some high level hypothetical type thing.
@nicholasgreen339
@nicholasgreen339 3 ай бұрын
Modern sanda came out in the 1970s But originally it's thousands of years old Ironically hardly anyone does sanda in china
@Zack1440
@Zack1440 Жыл бұрын
Sanda is a brutally effective martial art. I did it for several years.
@PAPALAMRecordings
@PAPALAMRecordings Жыл бұрын
Man, i ve been training Sanda for some time. And I have to say, that your analysis is basically on point, except for takedowns. Takedowns of this style are pretty much unique and come from Chinese and Mongolian traditional wrestling styles. There are some nations where Sanda is really popular, therefore this nations have strong Sanda schools. . So you mentioned that the Only Sanda fighter in UFC was Cun Lee, which is very far from the truth. Pretty much all Chinese UFC fighters have Sanda background. Some Russian fighters as well. Zabit Magomedsharipov, Muslim Salikhov and others, Iranian team is pretty strong and they compete in all kind of MMA organizations. Sanda is one of the best systems to transition to MMA from, in my humble opinion.
@HiroIndo16
@HiroIndo16 Жыл бұрын
isn't Zabit studies Shaolin Kungfu? he does a lot of tricking & flips, they are not present in Sanda.
@PAPALAMRecordings
@PAPALAMRecordings Жыл бұрын
@@HiroIndo16 there is a legendary boarding school in Dagestan, named" 5 Directions of the World". Zabit is from that school. Muslim the king of Kung Fu, also it's graduate. It has produced a lot of Sanda champions. I mean world class fighters. Rather than only physical and skill trainings, there are lots of phylosophical and art studies of Eastern cultures. So them guys are all so humble, but extremely skilled. As far as Shaolin kung fu, idk, may be it is in the program, may be he studied it himself. But for sure Wushu Taolon is in the programm. It is forms, basically like katas in karate.
@leesamardzija9165
@leesamardzija9165 11 ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h5Z1qrpyz6_NYmQ.html Great video on Zabit and the school you mentioned
@grandwonder5858
@grandwonder5858 11 ай бұрын
Chinese wrestling predated western wrestling, but these biased western talking heads always claim any wrestling style that came out of China, or any other country, as being a copy of their wrestling despite the fact that Chinese wrestling predated their wrestling by at least 1000 years! The Anglos stole so many things from the Chinese, but they always have the biggest mouths when it comes to accusing the Chinese of stealing things from them!
@burningknuckle26
@burningknuckle26 10 ай бұрын
​@@HiroIndo16zabit is Sanda
@ChrisM-tn3hx
@ChrisM-tn3hx Жыл бұрын
Many years ago, I studied shaolin kung fu, and we practiced Sanshou constantly. My instructor had a record of 23-0 and had won the championship in China twice, and also trained two other world champions as well. Until a car accident that tore or severed the ligaments in my legs and damaged several vertebrae, I was on track for the same. It's beautiful in its function. What you're describing at 6:20 is what we called "stealing the march" (in an older meaning of the word), which means you time your moves to intercept their attack and throw their balance and timing off. This allows you to turn their attack into your won. It's highly effective, especially in a real life situation. The ability to put someone on the ground fast is very useful. EDIT - someone else mentioned Shuai Jiao below. This was our basis for grappling in that school, and again, highly effective. It's one of the oldest grappling systems in existence. The push-pull method of throwing an opponent, again, makes it very difficult for them to use their own torque.
@HiroIndo16
@HiroIndo16 Жыл бұрын
stealing the march sounds a lot like Sen no Sen in Karate.
@burningknuckle26
@burningknuckle26 10 ай бұрын
100%
@Gongolongo
@Gongolongo 10 ай бұрын
Hey, can you tell me which gym or temple this was?
@robertsothmann8110
@robertsothmann8110 8 ай бұрын
Who was your instructor? 23 must have been his pro record, because if he came up through the college system he's had 100's of matches.
@jackochan
@jackochan Жыл бұрын
My first experience with this I think was 2005. I started Kung Fu and was introduced to it, and it changed my outlook on combat sports. I was formerly a Tae Kwon Do fighter obsessed with Tae Kwon Do. I was quickly pulled in by Sanda, because of how it seamlessly incorporated kickboxing and takedowns.
@jackochan
@jackochan Жыл бұрын
Cung Le during Strike Force days was amazing to watch. His Sanda Matches were amazing to watch. He had a good start in UFC but he was old by the time he got there.
@thattrickytrickster612
@thattrickytrickster612 Жыл бұрын
Goju-Ryu has very similar movements when it comes to transitioning from striking to takedowns and throws, the only problem is we never focused to make it work in sparring. We only focused on bunkai, the application used in self defense. This just goes to show that kata/forms do work, but will only work when the training methodology focuses on these techniques and pressure tests them. Great video, man ❤️
@RAPEDBYBLACKS
@RAPEDBYBLACKS Жыл бұрын
No one cares about your stupid story.
@j0van87
@j0van87 Жыл бұрын
A similar situation with me, I trained Wado-Ryu Karate and later kickboxing. I always wanted to traning Sanda. But in my country (Serbia) there were no Sanda clubs!
@leonnunezcano1900
@leonnunezcano1900 Жыл бұрын
The same happen with taekwondo, there are kicks, punches and elbows plus throws and some joint locks similar to Hapkido, but in the combat didn´t apply for the rules of taekwondo competition.
@leonnunezcano1900
@leonnunezcano1900 Жыл бұрын
Sanda teaches more use of punches, punches to the head, kicks to the head, body and legs, takedowns, throws, its really good.
@EliteBlackSash
@EliteBlackSash 6 ай бұрын
It makes sense because The Bubishi is mostly takedowns. With some leg grabs and ground takedowns thrown in.
@falkunkungfu
@falkunkungfu Жыл бұрын
I started my journey in the modern styles of Kung Fu 15 years ago. Sanda is complex and extremely technical, and today we have great fighters in the UFC who are growing through Sanda. I have been teaching for almost 5 years now, and I see more and more students migrating from styles like kickboxing or Muay Thai to Sanda. However, it is still relatively unknown here in Brazil.
@thelaundryman9287
@thelaundryman9287 Жыл бұрын
I been training Dutch Kickboxing for almost a year, had my first smoker a couple weeks ago and can't wait to add some BJJ to my skillset once I'm a better kickboxer. I'm learning alot from this channel.
@michaelcarvalho4834
@michaelcarvalho4834 6 ай бұрын
I never understood why Sanda isn't as popular in MMA or in the West, but I always knew that it could gain popularity at some point. As soon as I abandoned the purist and "traditionalist" BS mindset of martial arts and began to embrace and understand real combat sports that are compatible with MMA, I instantly fell in love with Sanda.
@Jenjak
@Jenjak Жыл бұрын
Sanda is too underrated. It's the best combat sport to learn the basics of fighting imo (kickboxing+wrestling). The ruleset is almost perfect. It's in sanda I learned the overhand into kneetap takedown. Which is stupidly simple and basic but super effective. Probably one of my favorite technique.
@BogalaSawundiris
@BogalaSawundiris Жыл бұрын
Did you lead with your strong leg forward (like in wrestling stance) or with you power hand in the rear (like in boxing stance) for this overhand into knee pick ????? Also how did you get to the knee pick after the overhand ? Did you get an underhook ? Was the overhand from your power hand ? PLEASE RESPOND
@ronselporter4739
@ronselporter4739 Жыл бұрын
I mean its underrated because, finding a place that teaches Sanda is kinda rare for most folks
@numb_vfx
@numb_vfx Жыл бұрын
@@BogalaSawundirisstrong hand in the back
@BogalaSawundiris
@BogalaSawundiris Жыл бұрын
@@numb_vfx doesn't that weaken the takedown though ??? Because having strong leg forward is fundamental in wrestling ??????????
@markmessi9020
@markmessi9020 Жыл бұрын
​@@BogalaSawundirisyou're asking the wrong question. Are you better at striking or wrestling? If you're better at striking, power hand back. Better at takedowns? Power hand forward
@baterg2344
@baterg2344 Жыл бұрын
Sanda is arguably the best stand-up style in the world.
@michaeldonnelly8068
@michaeldonnelly8068 Жыл бұрын
My sambo instuctor incorporates a sanda/muay thai blend for the striking portion of the combat sambo he teaches. Also has some really effective techniques from Kyokushin and American Kenpo. You gotta be dangerous from all angles! Btw, you and chadi have the best martial arts channels on youtube, bar none.
@ussambo
@ussambo Жыл бұрын
Ah. The Battle of Brooklyn days. Those were some of our best events. Good times at Gleason's. So many fond memories.
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting Жыл бұрын
Do you want to come on and talk sambo? Miss being in NYC brother 🙏🏼
@ussambo
@ussambo Жыл бұрын
@@inside_fighting Sure thing man. Would be fun.
@yizhuolin3906
@yizhuolin3906 3 ай бұрын
the second video of two kids sparring that was actually shot in a kickboxing gym. The name of the gym is “张记录搏击” and those kids are beast!
@angelocarantino4803
@angelocarantino4803 Жыл бұрын
New vid! Love sanda, i first learned about it after seeing a video on how they catch kicks. There side kicks are also really nice :p keep up the good work bro 🍷🗿
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting Жыл бұрын
Thanks brother! I’ll be posting more
@808frontline
@808frontline Жыл бұрын
I’ve always said (Growing up training Sanda, Hung Kuen & Choy li fut) that “Sanda” is the best art to transition from striking to MMA.. In my opinion if a Sanda man uses knees and elbows, Sanda is a far superior art and much more realistic for real world self defense and for mixed martial arts being that the only goal in Sanda is it the most proper form or aesthetics but to win it’s not about gambling as Thai boxing is, it’s not about attaint perfect balance before and after and during every strike it’s only about winning.. high pace, high intensity, with the goal to win.
@hungniirulfur920
@hungniirulfur920 Жыл бұрын
sanda style has knees and elbows though
@AngryGrape1337
@AngryGrape1337 Жыл бұрын
Sanda can also be a great style for BJJ practitioners to get into striking, as that can allow BJJ to learn basic kickboxing and transition well into takedowns. The "fast wrestling" allows users to be standing up while the other guy is on the ground, potentially making it so the user can take any position he wants, mount side, even north-south after the takedown, rather than trying to pass guard.
@mkleng
@mkleng Жыл бұрын
This is great content, Ilan. Indeed, I also wondered why is Sanda not that well-known as an effective fighting art. More on Sanda please! And also on Xingyiquan (Hebei style). You’ve got yourself another subscriber!
@redbird3697
@redbird3697 Жыл бұрын
I say this as a muay thai practitioner, I'm really annoyed by the dismissive attitude that many muay thai guys have about other martial arts so an art that humbles muay thai is satisfying to see.
@allstarlord9110
@allstarlord9110 3 ай бұрын
Yeah I don’t get it, both Sanda and Muay Thai are brilliant martial arts, why do they have to be so cringey
@finnmiles7311
@finnmiles7311 Жыл бұрын
Sanda is northern shaolin/kung fu kicking mixed in with TKD and Muay Thai kicking. The throws are shuai jiao mixed with other kung fu styles, some western grappling styles and maybe some direct judo influence. Theres suggestions that due to ties from the communist era that sambo was one of the western styles that influenced their throwing system as well. I dont think theres any Savate influence. Karate is another style whose kicking is not part of Sanda which can be seen by the way they chamber kicks, which are more chinese/korean like.
@hotpopcorncake
@hotpopcorncake Жыл бұрын
Yes, That's true due to the fact monks travel a lot taking a little bit of art from other countries. Since monks are knowledge gatherers everything they travel through their journey. Also, I have done TKD and Northern mantis kung fu and various other arts. which I can distinguish very well the arts.
@Autonomous_617
@Autonomous_617 6 ай бұрын
Zabit Magomedsharipov was a sanda fighter in the ufc. Absolutely amazing fighter.
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting 6 ай бұрын
Yes he’s amazing
@larsvadstedt1614
@larsvadstedt1614 2 ай бұрын
thank you!!!You really ay the true and I Have AL LOVE AND RESPECT!!!!!
@jamestan4165
@jamestan4165 Жыл бұрын
Love your channel and love the clip. Sanda has a very political and checkered history but it's a great system. You mentioned 'wild' punches - a lot of this is the inclusion of the 'long arm' style casting punches found in many chinese martial arts. It can look wild but those swinging arm strikes feature in many Chinese styles.
@IronMantisMartialArts
@IronMantisMartialArts Жыл бұрын
Excellent! Thanks.
@MarkMiller304
@MarkMiller304 11 ай бұрын
Sanda with all those sweeps and takedowns would be brutal on concrete floors. Quick way to end a street fight.
@BogalaSawundiris
@BogalaSawundiris Жыл бұрын
Everyone here talking about Sanda being underrated, wait till you see Kuo-Shou, its Sanda with MMA gloves
@PMC607
@PMC607 10 ай бұрын
I started learning Kung Fu at a traditional Kung Fu school. They also taught Sanda, so I thought I’d give it a go. I got my arse kicked by someone that had done about 2 months Sanda training, when I’d done about 2 years Kung Fu. Needless to say I started learning Sanda. I got quite good at it nationally and internationally. Then I went to an amateur and professional boxing gym and got my arse kicked. Guess what, I started to box and then got quite good at it . Then I went to Thailand to stay and learn Muay Thai. I love all three arts equally, and find it fascinating that there are many variations and styles within each. Now I teach boxing for Sanda, Muay Thai, K1 etc… My favourite of the three arts is Muay Thai because of its tradition and use of the 8 limbs. However, I also love Sanda for when I spar someone that gives me trouble with their hands or feet, because I can put myself in a position to pick them up and dump them. I also love to use boxing for anyone that can’t hold a proper guard and leaves their chin out. Isn’t the world such an amazing place with so many different fighting styles to choose from 🌎
@Guilherme-ne5kf
@Guilherme-ne5kf Жыл бұрын
The part where you said they use their sidekick against muay thai guys made me think, because I do the same thing in sparring and they never see it coming. It's almost like they have no concrete counter to a sidekick.
@kuo.taichi
@kuo.taichi Жыл бұрын
The story of 20th Century Chinese Martial Arts is one of divergence and convergence between what was practiced by Mainland Chinese Martial Artists and those in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and the wider diaspora community. Sport Wushu was constructed by the Chinese Communists after Mao sought to purge traditional Kung Fu (as possible dissidents, since Kung Fu societies were parts of several notable revolutions - the Taiping, Boxer, and Xinhai Revolutions). Similarly, Sanda was reconstructed with modern combat sports elements after this elimination of much of the traditional stuff. However, the Sanda practiced by schools descended from Taiwan or HK masters will retain more elements of those traditional styles. The oldschool Kung Fu movies weren't Wushu-based though (except for Jet Li), those HK movies made use of Peking Opera action theatrics for their choreography. Separately, they do teach Sanda as the "Friday Night Sparring class" at many Wushu (and/or Kung Fu) Schools. There aren't many places that focus solely on Sanda, however.
@junichiroyamashita
@junichiroyamashita Жыл бұрын
Sanda has striking and takedowns,add standing submissions to it and you have Shoot Boxing,such a format seems to be best for stand up fighting. Sanda is also a way to test kung fu at full contact,i would love to see more peculiar styles,such as Baji and Xing Yi. They offer also some unique shoulder strikes,that can help with your close range game.
@jashardwallington
@jashardwallington Жыл бұрын
Jeff chan has a video of him sparring a baji quan fighter an so does Ramsey dewey
@SupremeSwaggy
@SupremeSwaggy Жыл бұрын
Your rant was very informative, thanks! I subscribed 💪🏾🫡
@hotpopcorncake
@hotpopcorncake Жыл бұрын
That was a good analysis of Sanda, I trained in northern mantis also which has Sanda stuff. Wow, thank you for showing me how effective those sidekicks from Sanda are, that I learn while I was in Mantis kung fu days. Since sometimes I have a bad habit of brawling in Kyokushin mode. Sometimes in matches, I forget stuff that I learn from other arts that is effective due to age I think I'm like 46yr btw. I'm also thinking about writing a notebook down all the kickboxing styles that I learn including Yaw yan and Enshin karate to make it for self-defense or something.
@thecoach717
@thecoach717 10 ай бұрын
I've fought the San Shou circuit when Chung Le was fighting a lot. I also fought Koushu Lei Tai fighting in Taiwan. I consider both amateur Sanda and it was a great experience. In 2003 I moved to Bangkok and studied Muay Thai. Fun video, thank you.
@LINKchris87
@LINKchris87 11 ай бұрын
I took Sanda lessons for a couple years. It was a blast to spar with that ruleset. You can outstrike the grapplers and outgrapple the strikers.
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting 11 ай бұрын
But can you out dance the dancers 👯‍♀️🤔🤔🤔 These… these are the questions.
@LINKchris87
@LINKchris87 11 ай бұрын
@@inside_fighting That's still to find out I'm afraid 🤣
@iNightTiger
@iNightTiger Жыл бұрын
Sport Sanda is a mix of multiple Chinese martial arts ( mostly styles that came from the north ) using modern methods of training. It’s the military who first designed a sport version of Sanda so they could test and compete against each other while minimizing injuries. Sanda is traditional kung fu, shuai jiao and other Chinese system gathered in one using modern training methods. Wushu is the true word for designing Chinese martial arts, but nowadays it is used to describe Chinese gymnastics. Sanda is Kung Fu 🐅 PS: Sanda has elbows and knees it just depends on the organization who is creating the rules. You should have a look at leitai fights, another competition where kung-fu fighters competed in that predates Sanda. Good video !
@thecommentator5937
@thecommentator5937 Жыл бұрын
wushu just means "martial art". in chinese wushu competitions, it is split between the more popular, performative taolu (forms wushu) and sanda (combat wushu)
@ronselporter4739
@ronselporter4739 Жыл бұрын
tbh gymnastics is a great base for martial arts
@Encai.
@Encai. Жыл бұрын
is there southern styles in sanda or is it only a mix of the northern styles?
@iNightTiger
@iNightTiger Жыл бұрын
@@Encai. Choy Li Fut was also added. In the end, Sanda is primarily a ruleset for kung fu practitioners or martial artist to compete in. So as long as you play by the rules, any styles can be used in my opinion although some might be watered down due to the ruleset.
@Sir_Pants_Alot
@Sir_Pants_Alot 6 ай бұрын
Sanda is awesome. I’d definitely study it if there was a school around. Hope it gets more popular someday
@dostma1
@dostma1 Жыл бұрын
When I saw the video Chinese sanda guy vs. Black muy thai huge guy, I couldn't understand how the Chinese was able to destroy him. Great explanation, interesting video!!!
@waimanlam3035
@waimanlam3035 10 ай бұрын
A documentary you might enjoy is Dragon Girls it is about 3 girls who attend a martial arts school in China.
@mikeneidlinger8857
@mikeneidlinger8857 Жыл бұрын
I've been practicing Silat and Escrima since 1993 and Taiji, Bagua and Xingyi since 2008. I like practicing slow twisting and circling steps with blades. It nourishes my brain and I circulate my chi to stay healthy and massage my internal organs to stay soft and limber. The first thing I would teach someone is how to relax and root and circulate Qi. After relaxing, someone can learn basic Gong Fu!
@mikeneidlinger8857
@mikeneidlinger8857 Жыл бұрын
What kind of swords?
@junichiroyamashita
@junichiroyamashita Жыл бұрын
I am really interested in the body strikes of internal martial arts,i know that Xingyi and Taiji are famous for them,does Bagua have shoulder strikes too?
@mikeneidlinger8857
@mikeneidlinger8857 Жыл бұрын
I have a Silat and Escrima background so I tend to use everything. I like takedowns and locks for holding them until the cops come. I want to learn BJJ.
@michaeljovan3836
@michaeljovan3836 Жыл бұрын
I would love to hear your opinion on the Keysi fighting method. Great video!!!
@akinakinsiku6818
@akinakinsiku6818 Жыл бұрын
thanks for show casing Sanda/Sanshou. It is very underrated. I will say that it has a lot more traditional 'Wushu" techniques in it....more than people give it credit for. Those who practice both forms and combat will know this. At 14.45 in your video, that sweep/ takedown is from a traditional Shaolin form called Xi Xing Quan ( 7 Star Fist).
@JEM-fo6rs
@JEM-fo6rs Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@snooker9773
@snooker9773 2 ай бұрын
Qi Xing Quan
@VisibleMRJ
@VisibleMRJ 5 ай бұрын
It’s a good system. I think the reason why is not as popular is because they don’t have Mike Tyson, buakaw, saenchai, Bruce Lee, the Gracie of Sanda. If Sanda guys start winning then I’m sure it will become more recognized.
@MarkMiller304
@MarkMiller304 13 күн бұрын
It’s a system that pairs will with bjj. It’s striking with takedowns build in. What more can you ask for in mma. I’ve seen in pro matches (not strictly sanda) where sanda fighters have incorporated knees and elbows. With knees and elbows added in it becomes the perfect striking art to compliment grappling.
@bighouse7931
@bighouse7931 Жыл бұрын
The fucking song! Excellent
@Thunder_Bird0
@Thunder_Bird0 Жыл бұрын
If sanda fighters added taekwondo or boxing elements they’d be unstoppable.
@justinsmitley7619
@justinsmitley7619 Жыл бұрын
I used to do Sanshou when I was in high school and would do local tournaments in San Jose California. I enjoyed the art.
@dababy4182
@dababy4182 Жыл бұрын
Nice haircut! I'm learning Shuai Jiao and it's been fun, I find it more realistic than greco roman.
@G0ld3n_F3nd3r
@G0ld3n_F3nd3r Жыл бұрын
Love the vid, love Sanda/Sanshou/Xanda. Just one thing about the vid I would like to point out. The Dutch kickboxer was Andy Souwer, he indeed is a Dutch kikcboxer but also traind and competed in shooto/shootboxing. So takedowns aren't unfamiliar to him. I agree with the point you made about Dutch kickboxers and takedowns, you used just the wrong vid to showcase it.
@DenshaOtoko2
@DenshaOtoko2 11 ай бұрын
Inside fighting, I heard from Fight commentary Breakdowns video that Sanda is English Boxing combined with the kicks of Taekwondo, Karate, Muay Thai, Savate and the 52 Takedowns of Shui jiao compiled from the Chengdu Police Academy.
@bongkem2723
@bongkem2723 3 ай бұрын
damn, the Sanda guy vs the Muay Thai guy is insane, the boxing is clean, the takedown is clean, the pressure is amazing despite his slightly disadvantage in size or raw strength.
@cpa314
@cpa314 10 ай бұрын
I train MT and have sparred and trained with a few guys that train Sanda, always alot of fun to learn some of the kick catch counters from them. I think its a great art as well, different from Muay Thai, but also a great system.
@leesamardzija9165
@leesamardzija9165 11 ай бұрын
Zabit Magomedsharipov used this style very successfully in the UFC. Smooth, technical and great to watch with seamless transitions between the striking and grappling
@tranquil_dude
@tranquil_dude 6 ай бұрын
lol, the seamless transition between moves is precisely a vital concept in many traditional chinese martial arts. e.g. in both traditional Changquan and Taiji it's called 绵绵不断 (roughly translated as "unbroken like cotton") Same with the emphasis on lifting the opponent to take away the latter's power. the traditional chinese martial arts term is 拔根 (“uprooting"). And it ties in with the seamlessness. If you train all your attacks to have an "uprooting" effect whenever applicable, then you can very easily, say, turn a strike into a throw. if you look at each move as distinct, then you can perhaps say, "this came from boxing ... this came from muay thai ... this came from xx ..." but to a practitioner of chinese martial arts, it's not the distinction between moves, but rather the thread that connects all moves, that matters
@sirrobinofloxley7156
@sirrobinofloxley7156 Ай бұрын
I trained wushu in Beijing over a number of years and downstairs from the wushu hall was the sanda gym. I used to have hours worth of videos of them training and sparring, which were very early, from 2005. Like wushu, which sanda belongs, it's an ever evolving sport, so there's never any one true definition of historical input, geographical input, yadda, yadda. For example, Yi Quan has a sanshou element and is extremely effective, and again unique. I trained for a while in a specialist club and small guys threw me around like I was a 7 yo girl, and they didn't break sweat. Literally wore their street clothes too. The main reason sanda is lesser known about is because there's basically no coaches for it.
@evyatarof
@evyatarof Жыл бұрын
Love sanda and shootbox i wish i could find some place to learn one of them
@DUMMYPLUG77
@DUMMYPLUG77 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. Just one thing on the origins of sanda/sanshou/leitai. Those are the settings and rules for traditional Kungfu combat. Is way older than most combat sports - they didn't put something up as response to. Leitai maybe is more traditional (knees and elbows allowed, wearing little protection), sanda more combat sport oriented, more up to date. Leitai goes for the platform where they fight, sanda/sanshou is something like "free combat". Is not oriented to a style, is just the rule set. Sanda is what Kungfu is supposed to be IRL. At leat thats the way we were trained kungfu in the school. I trained Shaolin Chuan for years, and compited in sanshou, sometimes agains sipalki, kikboxing, chinesse boxing, even taekwondo opponents. We still have those "open tournaments" here. There are schools of kung fu that have sanda trainig clases, and there are full sanda schools, but at the end of the day it's all kungfu (even more kungfu than modern wushu IMO).
@jelaneytaters8149
@jelaneytaters8149 11 ай бұрын
This was really interesting to look at I've noticed in my own sparring that while my calf kicks are pretty great, and my head kicks are passable I often get caught and thrown when I do stand Thai kicks above the knee. I have far more success throwing teeps, side kicks and even up kicks which I always pull back an inch or so cause i dont wanna be "that guy" but can tell would easily land alot. I realized that my kicking style in sparring is actually much more reminiscent of karate or Sanda vs Muay Thai.
@MRBundle5
@MRBundle5 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to most Chinese styles there's wasted movements,ima huge muay thai head,so I like and have added from similar styles like savate.....Sanda is pretty clean,and I'm digging the sneak trips n throws😊
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Very smooth and clean especially for a Chinese system
@joeie010
@joeie010 Жыл бұрын
​@@inside_fightingcould you eloborate what you mean with, especially for a Chinese system? Does it mean the most of the Chinese systems are not clean and smooth? Could you eloborate which system is not clean and smooth?
@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y
@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y Жыл бұрын
The last 3 Sanda World Cups are uploaded on YT. All matches.
@yizhuolin3906
@yizhuolin3906 3 ай бұрын
This sanda rule set were designed to limit and avoid certain senarios so the fight could reflect some of the traditional kungfu tactics-- they want to takedown opponent FAST and clean within a split second, and if couldn't take him down at once they prefer to get out of range instead of keep brawling in the clinch.
@Orimthekeyacolite
@Orimthekeyacolite Жыл бұрын
Only one thing that I want to specify, cause it might be misleading to people who never trained traditional Chineese styles. When you compare the "flowery" kung fu movements to the straightforward combat sports moves - it's apples to oranges. You're basically juxtaposing training excercises vs actual fighting techniques. So yeah, even though modern sport Sanda/Sanshou trains completely differently from traditional methodology, the final results in terms of applications might be pretty similar, or at least look pretty similar
@burningknuckle26
@burningknuckle26 Жыл бұрын
Sanda/sanshou has some of fastest moves. There sidekick prob is the most powerful with speed. Great techniques
@hagenanon9484
@hagenanon9484 Жыл бұрын
I trained Sanda for years and nothing else so far has lived up to the standards that ive known from sanda. not the fitness value, not the effects on the mind or the speed you have to implement. even the way my sanda trainer trains us is WAY different from other trainers (i also train BJJ, trained boxing, and different sword arts).
@BogalaSawundiris
@BogalaSawundiris Жыл бұрын
How often did you get injured ? How is the injury rate compared to boxing and BJJ ?
@hagenanon9484
@hagenanon9484 Жыл бұрын
@@BogalaSawundiris id say less severe than bjj but in sanda we also dont do sparring as often as in bjj. In bjj we do sparring rolls every training session. In sanda we only did sparring when i think our trainer saw that we are mentally alert enough. We dont use much protective equipment though. No shinpads most of the time. It really makes you work around the idea of clashing your shins together :D the injuries i got from bjj required xray and resting for weeks. The injuries grom sanda hurt but didnt stop me from training most of the time.
@BogalaSawundiris
@BogalaSawundiris Жыл бұрын
@@hagenanon9484 Were those injuries mostly from training or competing ??? if they were from training then which sport has a higher injury rate per competition ??? Nogi-BJJ vs Sanda
@angelocarantino4803
@angelocarantino4803 Жыл бұрын
could you elaborate on the physical conditioning and the training aspects?
@hagenanon9484
@hagenanon9484 Жыл бұрын
@@BogalaSawundiris i didnt compete, so i wouldnt know. But the thing is that Sanda competitions vary quite a bit when it comes to protective gear. If you look for Sanda Comps on youtube you'll see some where they wear headgear, gloves, body protection. and then theres some where they fight in a classical boxing ring with only gloves, but include throws (zb look for Muslim Salikhov "king of kung fu")
@crypticnomad
@crypticnomad Жыл бұрын
I really like Sanda and Shuai Jiao and I think both have some really useful concepts not seen often in MMA. Of the 36 basic Shuai Jiao moves, probably like 25-28 are directly applicable to MMA and the majority end in a perfect setup for an arm bar. I think a person who was well trained in Sanda, Shuai Jiao and jiu jitsu could be a serious contender in any MMA match.
@robertsothmann8110
@robertsothmann8110 8 ай бұрын
Fantastic technique assessment and historical commentary. I have a few small comments. 1. about the teaching of martial arts or sport in general in comparison to North America. The percentage of young people doing it is even less over there...there are just way more people. The sports school system breeds athletes though, and you can get degrees in Sanda, ShuaiJiao, Judo, Boxing etc. 2. In MMA Sanda has had loads of success. In the UFC, you can see more than Cung Le have had success. Zabit, Muslim, Weili, Nan XiaoYan (high level Sanda fighter since young), and Li Jing Liang. ONE locked up Team Lakay from the Philippines, and their base art is Sanda. In my meagre opinion, the best striking style is a blend of Thai kicks and elbows, Sanda catches and throws and pieces of Karate, TKD and Capoeira to fill in the rest.
@frithjofgioertz
@frithjofgioertz Жыл бұрын
Idk if I am unaware of something here but wu shu translated literally means martial arts. So from what I have learned and understood so far is that wu shu are all those styles together, like wing chun and all those "fist styles". That might include ALL martial arts including those foreign to China. Kung fu or in mandarin gong fu translated actually means your craft, your training.
@THEANPHROPY
@THEANPHROPY Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the upload Brother! Wu su is modern kung fu adapted by the Chinese Government to reduce martial effectiveness but promote Health & Fitness! Traditional gong fu: that which preserved & practised in secret; is a Martial for close quarters combat. San shou aka Sandai: is historically practised on a raised stage; was modified in the 1920s to reduce risk of Death & serious life changing injuries of Masters to exclude chin na (joint locking, muscle division, nerve trapping), elbows & knees. Since then there are variant rules & styles of Sandai such as Military Sandai whereby you can ground fight: knee; elbow, chin na e.g. joint locks, eye strikes! Peace & Love!!!
@MrCBTman
@MrCBTman Жыл бұрын
Your take on Sanda is way off. The throws are all Shuai Jiao, the oldest Chinese martial art. The rules privilege it. The kicks are all found in traditional kung fu. Many traditional Chinese martial arts are expressed in Sanda.
@stoopidhaters
@stoopidhaters Жыл бұрын
Sanda isn't strictly Chinese TMA though. Remember Sanda isn't even highly known in China so that's why it's more open to non-Chinese style. In fact Sanda is a loose term. You could strictly train Muay Thai and call yourself Sanda credit to Ramsey Dewey. But yes, Sanda generally has Savate, Boxing, Muay Thai, Karate, TKD (one of the most trained MA in China), Bajiquan, Shuai Jiao, Judo, Wrestling.
@dababy4182
@dababy4182 Жыл бұрын
Shuai Jiao isnt that ancient, it was mostly introduced by Manchurians during its conquest of Ming China.
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting Жыл бұрын
My friend is a shuai jiao champion and although i agree i also disagree. The movements and style of takedown in sanda have certain fundamental differences to shuai jiao.. The striking in sanda is definitely different than traditional kung fu systems. The system is most definitely influenced and created off of other styles that are modern combat sport systems.
@dababy4182
@dababy4182 Жыл бұрын
​@@inside_fightingspeaking of both TMA and Sanda, highly recommend the good ol' Fight Quest's episode in Shaoling Temple. Jimmy Smith was an og btw.
@MrCBTman
@MrCBTman Жыл бұрын
@@inside_fighting They may not be the same techniques as the “sport” of Shuai Jiao, but they are definitely all Shuai Jiao techniques, or more specifically Kuai Jiao, and not Judo or wrestling. I agree that modern Sanda has added some western boxing but so has nearly every other art including Muay Thai. Sanda is absolutely kung fu.
@ronselporter4739
@ronselporter4739 Жыл бұрын
Cung Le is a good rep for the style, remembered when he broke Shamrock's arm... cool stuff
@cagemachine2492
@cagemachine2492 28 күн бұрын
In order I love my wife my family hsing yi tai chi and then sanda. Thank you for understanding us.❤
@garysmylie975
@garysmylie975 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant KZfaq channel... Any chance you can cover Collar and Elbow Wrestling and other arts from Ireland ?
@angelocarantino4803
@angelocarantino4803 Жыл бұрын
Hallo fellow Irishman 🍻
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting Жыл бұрын
Of course! Thank you :)
@nelsonglinton
@nelsonglinton 9 ай бұрын
Cung Le did in fact train Sanda as well, but mainly Sanshou. He was a Sanshou champ and used mainly Sanshou in MMA.
@OatmealGrillBlazer
@OatmealGrillBlazer 6 ай бұрын
Sanshou is what Sanda used to be called
@laoaganlester1728
@laoaganlester1728 7 ай бұрын
Taijutsu Yaw-yan, the Philippine version of kickboxing.
@davidcdun8896
@davidcdun8896 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a Savate (Boxe Francaise) fighter vs a Sanda or Sanshou fighter spar. Becuase the striking is very similar. And Muay Thai DO have takedowns, too bad the Western Muay Thai fighter never learn them. One Championship, if they add a kategory for Striking + takedowns (between Muay Thai and MMA), Sanda and Muay Thai will be in that kategory.
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting Жыл бұрын
Definitely a lot of similarities as they both took elements from similar styles
@autistpatrol2493
@autistpatrol2493 11 ай бұрын
If you ever get the opportunity to cross train: Ashihara, Enshin, Shidokan or Byakuren Kaikan. The kenka karate or brawling karate styles that are off-shoots of kyokushin* ashi-waza leg throws and judo throws and takedowns abound! They are great at the transition from standing to ground without a break in between the two! Seidokaikan (Andy Hug’s style) on the other hand, basically recreated Dutch Kickboxing but in a GI. “We will take kyokushin and incorporate elements from Kickboxing, Muay Thai and Boxing.” Kudo, Combat Sambo, Shooto and Pankration are all great systematized MMA-styles but as you said like sanda they all focus on too much you get Jack of all trades fighters who are good at everything but have no specialities *Byakuren Kaikan is actually a form a full contact karate that originates with Shorinji Kempo but took the kyokushin training and sparring philosophy.
@Dan0rioN
@Dan0rioN 3 ай бұрын
Taido is also really cool!
@Reflectionmaterial
@Reflectionmaterial Жыл бұрын
If you look at the applications behind most of the Wushu and Tai Chi forms you realize it's mostly mixing strikes into takedowns. People just get to caught up because it looks flashy. Originally it was very practical. And the underlying philosophy is that in a streetfight or on the battlefield you did not wanted to end up on the ground. Hence why in Sanda takedowns are only counted if the thrower remains standing.
@yzodelgado6735
@yzodelgado6735 2 ай бұрын
Would love to see sanda x muay thai x letwei x daido juku x sambo x shoot fighting x mma
@allstarlord9110
@allstarlord9110 3 ай бұрын
I did a bit of Sanda when I was a teen and I’m starting training again. I’m a little nervous to be honest 😂
@enderbykarate
@enderbykarate Жыл бұрын
check out Kudo for a complete-ish full contact competition system, take-downs grappling and full contact striking
@tiagopatricio3805
@tiagopatricio3805 7 ай бұрын
We can't forget that Sanda was created by the Chinese Armed Forces FOR the Chinese Armed Forces, so, like Krav Maga, it is above all others because both were created for real life and not for demonstrations, to win championships or just for the octagon!!!
@ninjasolarteam
@ninjasolarteam 11 ай бұрын
sanda is commonly underrated chinese kickboxing-mma style sanda is a hybrid boxing style of kung fu, derives from bajiquan, shaolin, southern style and military combat(western boxing and wrestling) with jeet kune do influences and shuai jiao(not judo)
@hotpopcorncake
@hotpopcorncake Жыл бұрын
Yes, I envy how in China they throw those sidekicks I can't ever do. I notice in Vietnam too they are very good at sidekicks from what I notice. I wonder what would happen if a Savate guy would go against a Sanda do in Muay Thai rules or Sanda rules. Cung Le was good in his younger age but he got kinda old just like me.
@bronzetiger6360
@bronzetiger6360 Жыл бұрын
Great Insight and Breakdown. Subscribed. I look forward to more.....Hey, You Did NOT call Martial Arts Legend( Kickboxing, K-1 Max, Shoot Fighting), Andy Soewer " The Dutch Muay Thai Guy"...😮... .😅
@thebaneking4787
@thebaneking4787 Жыл бұрын
Cung Li was a Sanda champion. Wow. I like it. You need to play it in real time. It’s sped up.
@luxurybuzz3681
@luxurybuzz3681 Жыл бұрын
What would be best for multiple opponents
@quentinj6357
@quentinj6357 24 күн бұрын
This my 7th month in the process of learning this system.
@smiffs113
@smiffs113 Жыл бұрын
How long ago was it when you were doing Sanda in NYC? I remember finding out about it in the mid to late 00's and there were only a handful of schools that offered it, with I think maybe only one that was strictly Sanda. I don't remember their name but it was in a building/office space in like the 40s and owned and operated by a schlubby, balding looking middle aged guy and most of their group photos only ever had a few where there were more than 10ish people in frame. The. main thing that I remember about the school is one dude who was competing and in basically every photo and he looked like a very tattooed, very ginger bearded Irish guy who looks like he was probably given an FDNY or Union membership card for his first Holy Comunion.
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting Жыл бұрын
I used to go train with those guys 😂😂 David Roth or whatever his name was! That’s when i first discovered it and when i did the event at Gleason
@bradycharles9571
@bradycharles9571 Жыл бұрын
9:10 do you know what we are witnessing here? It's very special, this is modern Kung Fu guys. They created a form that people might study 200 years from now, trying to recreate the throws, strikes and various applications. Just like we have with traditional Kung Fu... Cool to think about how we are still adapting human hand to hand combat. Biggest takeaway is we have realized flashy big movements with traditional styles waiver from the principal of "the fastest way to a target is a straight line". Our strikes and blocks have become direct and minimalist but effective and practical based off experience. One of the aspects of studying martial arts I find very interesting is their evolution.
@petereriksson6760
@petereriksson6760 6 ай бұрын
I thought Sanda was more a competition format. As people have trained for such competitions, has it developed into its own style now?
@MrPunch-io6jo
@MrPunch-io6jo 10 ай бұрын
You forgot about Zhabit Magomasherapov he was the best to bring the San Da game into the octagon. Currently, it’s Kevin Holland being a Kung Fu Sanshou fighter. Which is San Da but in Mandarin. San Da is Canto annunciation.
@hungniirulfur920
@hungniirulfur920 3 ай бұрын
sanda took boxing,but elbows,knees,kicks,throws,sweeps and takedowns are from kung fu
@drez13
@drez13 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely women could benefit from learning self control and to keep their cool In conflict.
@JohnThor13
@JohnThor13 Жыл бұрын
4000 years of chinese martial art...
@unifieddynasty
@unifieddynasty 2 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with giving credit where credit is due. Different societies do some things differently. Chinese people like what they have over there so they can keep doing what they do over there.
@johnyricco1220
@johnyricco1220 9 ай бұрын
Very very small percentage of Chinese kids do Sanda. Almost all American boys have some basic training in high school wrestling. The reason its not popular is because most Chinese schools don’t do sports at all. I wish that wasn’t the case but it is what it is.
@MbisonBalrog
@MbisonBalrog Жыл бұрын
Problem with sanshou/sanda is the rules allow for excessive clinch spamming. It has gotten to the point where every fighter does the same thing. When someone throw punches clinch right away. The only strikes have become very low sidekicks. I do not know how they can fix without turning into muay thai.
@MrCBTman
@MrCBTman Жыл бұрын
I actually like this evolution.
@christophermorocco1709
@christophermorocco1709 Жыл бұрын
Dude, check out Shuai Jiao wrestling and baji kung fu cuz the techniques from both styles, and including Choy li fut techniques are the kung fu techniques that shine in sanda
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting Жыл бұрын
One of my good friends is a shuai jiao champion :)
@christophermorocco1709
@christophermorocco1709 Жыл бұрын
That’s cool,man. Have your friend as a guest for your video on gung fu.
@inside_fighting
@inside_fighting Жыл бұрын
@@christophermorocco1709 good idea actually
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