Top lane too if a korean team win

That is a pretty freaky stat, though I want to add som neuance, I think it matters alot if the player ever played in LCK or even CK for that matter. player's like TheShy and DoinB became pro players in the LPL. Doinb is the best example as I feel like if he had to play in a korean team he would have been a much worse player than what he is in the LPL, his unorthodox ways don't seem to fit the rigid systems of LCK teams, but I might be wrong on that one.

Not surprise world is asian tourney

Not a shock.. Have you seen the 2 midlaners China actually sent to worlds lol? ICON got slapped and solo killed by all 3 mids.. Cryin is the chinese Nisqy.. LPL is carried by Koreans

@@Snootz86 Knight, Creme, Fofo are all insanely skilled mid laners that could go even or even win against KR mids, all Chinese.

This is sarcastic right?

@@danielgavish1315 the joke is flying over your head

@mcchickenz the meta suited them more last year. If it's Ashe/Senna/Jhin then Ghost/Beryl are fine. If it's hyper carry like Lucian/Kaisa/Draven then they're pretty bad.

@@DairyCat ghost is good in draven he has been smashing lpl bots with that pick

@@sriraamsritharan4691 His only two games this Worlds vs LPL bots is on MF. He has played literally one Draven game on stage this entire year and that was vs Rogue. He played Draven in Season 9 but has barely touched it since and has even said in interviews that he's no longer as comfortable on that champ as he used to be.

Monte should have never left League and carried Overwatch with Doa. I still go back n watch old OGN/LCK matches because they made that shit sooo entertaining.

It's the only part of the show that is watchable whenever they are talking about the Asian regions.

and every single fucking time, the world had to stop and take notes because he was miles ahead of everyone. Did it with nida mid Did it with orianna Did it with zed Did it with twisted fate Did it with riven Did it with azir Did it with lulu

@@m4ng4n u forgot leblanc a champion that only became pro play worthy because of him Azir i would put in easyhoon basket not directly faker but his azir became amazing when it was his worst champ

the guy is solid on every version of league

@@codino97 absolutely true, both things you said. The thing with azir is he was the first person to play it aggressively (even invented the 'shurima shuffle' aka azir insec)

@@m4ng4n It speaks to his ability to adapt when a Champion he was once so bad at that he got benched for his inability to play it (Azir) later becoming the one he earned the most kills on in his LCK career (Yes, even more than his renowned Leblanc)

I like the take that they also came in with the best meta read.

@@bdaniels4627 True, the Yuumi aswell as the poppy were from the LCK weren't they?

@@olsenfernandes3634 its more like lck is used to playing enchanter support compared to lpl who only does those engaging support

I agree I feel G2 did the same thing for LEC. Even though their showing wasn’t great this worlds you can see overall that the teams looked better than any other worlds. But you’re absolutely correct

Gen Geee

And nobodies correcting him lmao

upvote for the truth if it is right

believe me, they would because Faker didn't shit on every other mid laner 1v1 with leblanc/azir/ryze/zed. That's how high the bar is set for him because he used to be that far above the rest. But in comparison, the gap between midlaners have closed to the point that Faker has to develop other strategies to stay on par with the other insane midlaners of the present

I feel like Showmaker does the same thing which is why I feel he’s the best player in the world or ever.

Because people respect mechanics, and those aren't mutually exclusive with game knowledge. It's impressive considering aspects like ego, but honestly not as impressive as Chovy or Showmaker. It just means many mids can play like him if they have his teammates (kinda like Bengi). It pales when compared to his prime.

@@JacobSBierman excuse me.. what did shitmaker win? someone would need to win 3 worlds in a row to take fakers spot. your like one of these braindead fans who think lebron is beter then mj lol.. faker has all the records on his name. showmaker is good for how long? 2nd year? and you dare to name him possibly best ever? Mate stop eating shit and smoking that cheap chemical weed from underground labs

@@zygiskulkulikauskas2862 We’ll see come this semi’s.

I think its hard to say, I think if mad was first seed they would make finals as they would be vs c9 edg then either t1 or damwon. G2 beat skt but then lost to fpx 3 0. Even fnatic got to finals with caps and lost 3 0. Hats what annoys me with worlds is that teams can just get a lucky draw and no loses bracket

@@curt50p89 you need to stop giving MAD this much credit imo please Yes they are strong but the way you say they will get into finals when they barely went 3 - 3 in group plus lost the tiebreaker to GENG fair and square for 1st seed shows they were not capable of going to finals Period Also G2 were made of a different cloth They had various other picks to throw the LCK teams off the loop While MAD has only ARMUT WUKONG special which was neutralized hard by KHAN

Clg eu vs World elite season 2 69 minute game. I've watched that one and fnatic sk famous xpeke backdoor a few times. Amazing games

the rape train ?

Wait what the hell, why is Verlisify here???

yikes not this guy

They were literally the second best team in Korea who took a close 4 game lost in final to DWK who he rates so high. But yeah so bullshit that faker is at worlds lol. Guy was just watching more LPL thinking they would be the best region and Chovy apologist like i know his teammates are shit, but dude is really suspect outside of lane when it matters. Guy never won against faker in best of 5 since Griffin days. Not saying Faker is better . Chovy is a lane god but its more to league than laning.

@@sdfcet theres a reason why everyone says choky choky... he chokes when it maters. faker steps up when it maters. he can be superiour mid laner but when it comes to experience faker all day. im still surprised how faker stays at the top after playing all these years.. he adepted his play style so good. and lets be real t1 cannot rely year after year for faker to carry.. since s3 he was ganked the most ban drafted the most and he still shit on everyone

I have bad memory. Did he say GenG is gonna choke too and now he suddenly says ppl think they are bad just because they are boring?

@@zygiskulkulikauskas2862 But also consider that Chovy has this responsibility to be this lane god. He can't rely on his teammates, so it's safer for him to win lane and bet on himself rather than go gank and bet on his teammates. He's just now so used to playing like that. He'll change once he gets reliable teammates.

LCK fans man..... kek go bully some gay ppl idk

as an lck fan you should know how slow lck minus dwg has been playing over the spring and summer, but yeah, feels good that lck is dominating this hard

@@abirmahmud2242 I watch the broadcast to watch the game, not hear slander from self-masturbation enthusiasts of their own regions.

@@Chris951021 i mean all the casters do that, eu has drakos, lcs has kobe and lpl has dagda, they are insufferable sometimes yeah but you can't do anything about it, to the casters what's more important than the gameplay is the narrative, they'll always try to hype up their regional players for increase in viewership

@@abirmahmud2242 Kobe and Drakos were no where close to Dagda. Kobe gets hyped when the NA team is winning, Drakos gets sad when the EU team is losing. That is totally acceptable (save the G2 vs DWG match last year). Dagda straight up shits on a region with false narratives. Don't even try to defend him.

Edg have two korean player. Sooo....

@@obesebeast2036 not just that, they're EDG flagship players.

it's kind of weird that not a single LCK team can win this so call “LCK Autumn Split”

@@obesebeast2036 they still speak mandarin in team comm ... so its still Chinese team..

Thorin always opposes the popular team, it generates the most attention

Would be no fun if he just agreed with the favorites. Offers more "journalistic" opportunities to go the other way from the norm.

also dwk had one of the weakest groups. the 2 teams in the second place tie breaker had 2 wins each

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hN6CmtiZs66paYE.html check 12:32 it was 2016 springs and I was actually there at this game in Yongsan stadium and they were giving out cone shaped hats xD. There is also an interesting moment in 36:30

@@user-zf7lp9nl5j Cheers mate appreciate the link, couldn't find it cos my search results were in English hahaha

Oof, looks like getting our 7-8th place team to Top 8 Worlds aswell as 3 teams in Semi's isn't good enough. Welp, maybe he might admit it if we get a Korea vs Korea finals.

As a mouldy decripit LCK fanboy, if you took the top 10 teams from LCK and the top 10 teams from LPL and had em play a round robin or best of 5 against their equivalent, I don't know who puts up a good showing outside of T1 and Damwon. Maybe GenG? But like, can summit or deft and chovy or kiin and lehends carry their pile of corpses? It'd be hard to even claim that more than one or two can surprise when the two highest placing teams after those top three were Nongshim and sandbox/the freecs in korea. These teams didn't even look good against their counterparts in Korea. I remember season 3, 4 and 5 where most of the teams looked like they could actually throw some heat all the way down to the fucking greenwings, bless their souls. But since the yearly korean exodus went fully underway it just has not looked like that. You couldn't even pass off as a joke "DRX could win LEC" or APK last year, like you could back when LCK was actually the de facto best region. Damwon's looked like they could be a world beater since that lineup came together, but have any of these other rosters? Really? I wouldn't even bet on Geng to win LCS finals, let alone a full series against any competent team.

@@Slimcognito2012 or maybe all the lpl teams underperform, maybe all the lck teams get destroyed, you don't know what could or could not happen in bo5 on stage based on previous stats, you can make an educated guess yes, but nobody believed fpx and lng would suck this hard

@@abirmahmud2242 My point was, I don't have faith in the vast majority of teams outside of the top 3 teams of the LCK to perform up to their LPL counterparts if enough games were played. Sure, we do a crappy event like worlds and introduce a bunch of randomness, yeah maybe two LPL teams underperform and two LCK teams overperform. If enough games were played, on a stable patch, there's just no fucken competition. It's crazy to judge the overall strength of a roster or region based on a single tournament against a couple of teams, when only one set of b05's have been played. T1 has only played chovy life in a best of 5, Geng has only played Mad lions, LNG and FPX didn't even get to play a b05, Half the LPL aren't even allowed to be at the tournament. We haven't seen GenG play a best of 5 against a single chinese team yet, nor T1 nor Damwon. I'm not talking about the strength of these regions across a single patch or tournament, I'm talking about the strength of the entire region of the LCK vs the entire region of the LPL across a whole year. And unfortunately, the only decent sample size we have is regional play, where, might I add, Nongshim tied geng in second place for summer split perfomance in LCK. Think of it this way, before worlds, if you were told to run a massive b05 invitational event with the best teams in the world, who do you invite besides T1, Damwon and Geng from LCK? Who's even worth considering? I can think of 6-8 LPL teams worth considering, but only as many teams from LCK as I'd consider inviting from LEC. Just like Europe can't just be judged on the performance of G2 from the last 2 years, you can't judge the entirety of the LCK based on the performance of T1, Damwon, and Geng in a single tournament. That's fucking lunacy. Most of these LCK teams are at best, two good players saddled with a bunch of corpses. It's fucken depressing to watch Kiin and Summit and Chovy spend the best years of their careers saddled with a buncha check stealers and deft having a resurgence with 3 dead weights. It's hard to support the overall LCK as being strong when that's the status of things. The only hope is that half these teams get blown up, some talent comes back from china and like 5-6 actually good LCK teams are formed, instead of geng being a wall between the top two teams of LCK and everyone else.

To be fair, worlds is not the best metric for this. Damwon is undefeated, but SKT-EDG and GenG-LNG went 1-1. RNG was 2-1 against HLE.

Play ins teams didnt get to scrim the group stage teams

although the chances are 25% for edg to win worlds, it's still only 2 games for edg and 1 game for LCK. cus edg needs to win the semis and the finals. the koreans just need to win the finals ( cus regardless who wins btwn korean vs korean match, a korean team is movin to finals) put in that context, it's not a "difficult" task. winning 2 games vs 1 . so dont beat urself up for season 8. wasnt that much of a surprise, really.

Yeah now they feeling it

They wont take him. RNG will not take koreans

You could do a Best of 7 but the team coming from winner's bracket starts with a free win. So winner's side has to win 3 games before loser's side wins 4.

i like what they do in GSL which its double elim but just for groups phase then its just the usual

What? They were in groups with the third best team in the tournament (EDG), and they played DK multiple times in LCK. How do you want to test T1 more?

@@popoffrotmg981 edg shat the bed in draft and isn't putting up the best performance. All T1's wins have been won by getting monster lead in early mid game and never had to play from behind. If you look at how t1 beat edg, edg ran into t1 for 2nd herald/mid tier 1 for no reason and actually got killed in teamfight and give 2nd herald values for t1 because it actually got two towers And they are just 1-1 in score with two games being one sided. Bo5 wins would've been where you can say t1 is definitely better than the teams other than dk

@@woah5333 then why don't you talk about how bad Damwan's opponents are lol same goes to DW. Damwan's first hard match is against T1

@@chester9116 coz at least mad is a team. Hle isn't. Their top jungle is non existent and when mid is neutralized (or plays leblanc into liss poppy), they go back to looking like a bottom lck team. Group c being the worst group is almost a universal take right now

@@woah5333 lol u can’t even say mad will win against hle

You will see the True DK on Saturday

@@mannycalavera9629 almost lost to rookies

lck doesn't need lpl super stars lol

What about G2 in the 2020 Summer playoffs? They lose to Fnatic in winner's finals, had an extremely close 3-2 win against Rogue in loser's finals, and then finally come back to win the tournament against the team that just knocked them down. The double elim made a much more interesting storyline. And, it helped to make sure the best team at the time won the tournament.

@@arthurbarelli3315 isnt that what i am saying. Double elim pros are giving consistency+ highly like to get the best team out of it. The pros for Single elim is that there is abig possibility for upsets

For one, football is "BO1s" because it's 90+ minutes of physically demanding play. Just think how stupid it would be if players were forced to play BO3 or BO5 90-min games. And FYI, 2 of the last 3 DoTA TI winners were underdogs including this year's winner (Team Spirit). OG, which won TI8 (and TI9), was ranked dead last (18th of 18 teams) before eventually winning the Aegis.

@@fnfal6286 Yes, I see that. I just remember a really big upset/underdog narrative around G2 and of they could come back and win or would Fnatic stay on top. And I feel like those interesting narratives "oh, X team was beat early in the tournament but they've made their way back" or "that started in the lower bracket and made the run all the way to the finals" can only happen in double elim. It makes the underdog story. Like, I get that it's easier for an underdog to win it all but also the argument is that the single elim tournament isn't the best at deciding who is the best team.

Ok Wumao.

so lowkey, I'm a layman and haven't done my research on this, but I suppose as someone on the outside looking in, you'd expect teams to place higher than 5th to make more money right? I'm just curious, but why would EU/NA benefit more from finishing lower? Edit: also in favor of double elim, we need more EU vs NA matches :)

@@cr4ck_m4g1c I'm not sure what you're asking, sorry. Also, don't take my comment seriously, it was troll. My point though, was that currently since there are ties for numerous placements that don't get resolved. So Riot gives the same prize money to 5th place as they do to 8th place. If the format changed in a way that actually determined final placements, the prize money allocations would be justifiably shifted to be increasing with each one so that no teams in the bracket stage got the same prize money. Hence, western teams make more money now than they would if some of that was reallocated towards higher placing teams. It wouldn't be a huge difference and it is in no way an actual con to switching the format, just tongue in cheek.

@@Haedrix word word, hadn’t thought about it that way, I was coming at it from like a soccer/football perspective, and the way prize moneys distributed there is a little nuanced around whether or not a club qualifies for a Champions League spot vs a Europa League spot, etc etc, but thanks for the insight 👌

Soaz can’t not accept low pay if actually wants in the LEC. The last anyone saw of him was him looking terrible on IMT and that was over a year ago now. His perceived value isn’t high at all and he should know that.

ikr it's like they think T1 picked Liss bcuz Faker can't play carries or other champs. They picked Liss bcuz Chovy popping off on LB was the only way HLE could ever beat T1. They didn't pick it bcuz Faker can't play anything else. Have they seen Faker on non supportive picks? He's still popping off pretty regularly on Zoe, Azir, Ori, etc

@@bertlife7142 I mean it's just the right choice. Why ego and risk a game regardless of your personal skill? Chovy is a good LeBlanc and it would have been disrespectful of his team and teammates to not choice Lissanadra. It isnt who Faker was, is or ever will be. He picked to win the game. That's all that matters at the end of the day. Does it matter if he wins worlds on Galio? Lissanadra? Soraka even? No.

Clown9. 🤡

NA 3rd seed coming from Playins getting out of the group of death thanks to Perkz solo stomping the tie breaker with LB doing 45% of the teams damage. What are you smoking dude

It's not that perkz was bad, it's that you don't have to spend 11million to get out of groups, or you shouldn't have to I feel bad for blaber because he will likely never escape the memes even tho he's actually really good

@@emceemikey Considering NA cant get out of groups to save their lifed apperently you do have to spend 11mil. Imagine spending more on SwordArt and not even make Worlds

@@Nebrophonus93 he only made out of groups due to fpx underperforming, it was more luck than anything else, tl or 100t would've made it out too if they were in this group

Guess it was just luck what perkz did game 5 to beat TL in spring. Was just luck he hard stepped up in tie breaker vs rogue, just luck he won 8 LECs and 3 worlds semi's. Meanwhile TSM misses a whole season of international play spending over 5m on a single player.

i mean i'm not a fan of either of them but shit talking LS is kinda funny since he badmouths every player and org he does not like personally, for example, he says lpl is trash even when he hadn't watched any lpl games over the split, very uninformative. So hating on this guy is kinda cathartic

Because mentioning LS gets views.

boho he is making fun of your favorite streamer wow tragedy has occurred. I think its even more pathetic to wriete what u wrote.

@@Bogoos21 I dont care if its about LS or anyone else, it is a legit criticism of this Podcast, that for some reason or another Thorin permanently has to mention LS out of context to make him look bad in some way. It's just not how an analytics based podcast should work and it is annoying to listen to Thorin whining about stuff that has no relation to the current discussion. I like the podcasts narrative, but these little parts just are not necessary and disturb the flow and the entertainment. By the way, it's called constructive criticism.

@@Chris951021 I guess people magically know that Thorin's gonna mention LS and that's why they click on the video then, correct?