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Cheers. The thought did occur but we've got dormers eight foot below with a very similar view. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/epyJrZSqnLvKc2w.html

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Well spotted, St. Mary's. a most remarkable jumble of a church. As featured in Bram Stokers "Dracular".

Thanks for commenting, the law difference is interesting, over here the law is that it has to be done and signed off to building regs and HETAS registered installers are the only one that can self certify. Gravity is powerful agreed but the liner is very light so the advantage compared to friction is minimal. Being free to twist the liner when going in from the top is of greater advantage but as I've proved it's an option to go from the bottom. I have to disagree with you on the insulation, even those who insist it is required state condensation of flue gasses and tar build up as the main reason. Achieving adequate draw is only a problem solved by extra insulation in very long and exposed stacks.

Yeah over here it is only Building control that has to be notified. I am completely for HETAS being a regulating body in Northern Ireland. To many people are being killed by carbon monoxide from poorly fitted flues. Especially as Multi-fuel and Log burning stoves are becoming the new trend. People need the correct advice not criticism for lack of Installation knowledge.

Jonathan Lee Registration systems all sound good but they are really only as good as the people who run them. Electrical building trades that have part-p regulations simply means nothing. An educated public and a good follow up regulatory system would be better than forcing people especially the trades down the route of registration. With electrical it is still the BS 7671 regulations that are master and registration bodies simply do not answer the problem that exist in the field of poor installation of services both mechanical and electrical.

You don't need to be a HETAS certified Installer in Scotland.

You still operating? I’m in Moville and need a flu liner fitted ASAP.

Thank you Cal, that is driving me mad too.

Whitby, yes it's beautiful

It sound more like an open fire that you are talking about. So I'm not certain of what you are trying to do. If the existing clay flue is in good condition it can be reused but check/test it first. Clay liners shouldn't slide down the chimney but if you are trying to raise the height of an opening there are structural issues to be aware of and it will be a messy job. www.idostuff.co.uk/sections/DIY/Chimney%20Arch/Chimney_Arch_Rebuild.html might give you some ideas.

+Ben Hughes If tha as a fire Tha sends Wife up wi a bucket a watter to chuck daan .....Job done

+Jonathan Atkinson I suppose you are joking. 6 foot flames and a pot glowing cherry red which will explode if you pour water on it.

+Ben Hughes +Jonathan Atkinson, I think Jonathan does jest. With ref to your earlier comment, after much discussion, research and thought I would now, on balance use a pot hanger, but not for safety reasons. The link in the description explains in more detail. I now have an inspection camera, at some point I'll use it to monitor what kind of residues do build up both in the liner and pot, this should be helpful to either prove or disprove any arguments that have been made.

+iDoStuff I was just codding in told days we used to burn Tin cans and bang some salt on t fire to put any Chimney fire out....... Quite a common occurrence in the fifties and earlier times less common in cities as we burnt mostly coal I used to watch the soot deposits burn up the chimney more interesting than the Telly Tin was the main element in the fuel Catalyst used for the Hurricanes in WW2 sent to Russia as the Russians used fuel injection the Octane of the petrol was not as critical were as the Rolls Royce used carburetors and high octane petrol the tin introduced in a molecular form ( Tablets dropped into the fuel storage tanks) allowed the fuel to burn more efficiently and keep the carbon deposits low and the engine oil less contaminated.....The RAF engineer involved later formed a company called Carbon Flow .... So the Tin from the tin cans helps keep the deposits in the stack less likely to stick around. I can't see any evidence of Chicken wire reinforcing doing any great deed in the flaunching if it's done correctly in the first place it lasts for decades and the brick work has probably been eaten away by Sulphur erosion Yellow Bricks inside the stack! If you think that Benching ( in brick manholes goes through a lot more stick than Chimney flaunching) never saw any need for it You know out in the middle of nowhere saying to your mate did you bring the chicken wire? after beding in a new pot taking of the Old pot and flaunching that had been there a hundred plus years Still if you have some knocking around.....PS Send up t Mother in Law to see t Stack tha nos All the best

Thanks SWS, The HETAS sign off, is something I can't comment on, it seems some are happy to do it (as long they can see it's all done right) and some are dead set against it. The tar build up is something I'm going to monitor over time, I'm thinking of getting a inspection camera on some rods. It'll be interesting to see in real life what actually happens.

Try Perlite.

It is for a stove so 6" 150mm is the right size, for on open fire it would have to be much bigger.

Well Spotted.

Fitting the stove is on a separate video.

yes it is!

Me thinks there is smthng called gravity. Instead of pulling up the bugger it better to slide it down with gravity

The pot will have expanded and cracked the mortar and if necessary will need remedial work just like any other stack and pot.

Or Perlite.

Yep, well spotted

The video show the pots going back on at around 6 minutes.

With the weight of the liner gravity doesn't make much difference so its personal preference really. The issue of pot termination is covered in more detail on the website. on balance it would be better terminating at the top of the pot, although this method is by no means unsafe.

Certainly is. Whilst I'm typing this, I'm watching a front rolling in from the north sea, It might be time to light the fire and get cosy. PS the cottage is now available to let - www.idostuff.org/whitby-cottage/

Thanks for replying. I have a good friend who was born and raised there. He lives in Scarborough now. I am in France and will soon install flex tubing in two chimneys in our house. Thanks for the video. It was quite helpful.

I know what you mean. It is frustrating when some wont (or can't) back up negative comments with reasons. It is great and I encourage knowledgeable folks to criticise as it gives the opportunity for us to expand our knowledge base. The input from some of these comments have been very helpful. It does seem that HETAS models its self on the "Magic Circle" threatening to excommunicate members if they expose the mystical secrets of the sacred fire.

It has gotten completely ridiculous. Part P of the build regs have been a mess to be honest.

I have to agree. Loads of people fit these themselves. By withholding or by trying to prevent people from understanding how to do it the right way, people will get it wrong. Share the knowledge - that's what the internet is all about. For those HETAS people, you will always get business from those who don't have the confidence or inclination to do it themselves (so stop moaning).

Mark Wright Not that HETAS actually tell you how to install a stove, just what not to do. All the information is there for people to look up in ADJ if they are so inclined

Not always. Julian www.stovefitterswarehouse.co.uk

Thanks for the comments Adie. You might want to follow the link in description and read some of the other comments that cover some of your points. The difference between pulling up or pulling down is only gravity (apart from maybe having more room at the top for twisting the the liner if you need to). So comparatively virtually no extra strain on the liner. Before recommending shortening a pot you should consider why the long pots where used in the first place. But yes I agree the pots will be coldest part of flue and I do point out that a liner to pot hanger is probably a better technique to use in the long run. It's a shame that the official publications don't point out the all the pros and cons, at least the video and related discussion is enlightening to a greater degree. When looking at the arguments in detail there isn't anything dangerous shown here but some minor points would be solved by using a pot hanger. Some literature recommends bedding pots in two or three courses of brick, this advice goes back to the days of lime putty mortar, good deep flaunching with portland cement is a well proven method. To conclude, the little bit of knowledge given by many flue suppliers is not perfect. I hope what we doing here expands on the information available.

Pulling up is fine. I prefer feeding down but have done both many times. Julian Patrick www.stovefitterswarehouse.co.uk

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Ariarnos Wilsabona Can you back up your comment with any detail? What is "terrible"? and What is "Dangerous". How can this installation cause a chimney fire? . I'm up for any valid criticism, so if you know what you are talking about please expand. You might want to read the other comments and the website first.