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Installing Victron Multiplus charger/inverter. Sailing Exodos, ep.18

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Sailing Exodos

Sailing Exodos

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Episode 18 of Sailing Exodos. We install the Victron charger/inverter, make cushions from IKEA mattrasses and remove the old boat name. And we try our full size washing machine without shorepower.
Music: free, royalty free music by KZfaq, Kevin McLeod and Danosongs.
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@MonkPetite
@MonkPetite 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Hey ,, there you are again.. I wondered where you both wend Nice victron, it’s huge and thats good. It will not wear out quickly. Good to see you use the unit also as a “line tamer” it will compensate shore power fluctuations. The RCD is smart .. to ad on your explanation.. is best named Earth leak protection.. it protects crew from being shocked. if apparatus and its wiring is damage or burned tue. Very clever to have in addition to a fuse system. Top job
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
Thanx! Yeah, I just didn't know the full English name. Before I started to get myself acqainted with the Victron and everything related to it, I didn't even know what it did :-) New knowledge is always nice. And yes, we are still here, haha! I just can't get more videos out per month. Just no time for it.
@crisbrown9074
@crisbrown9074 5 жыл бұрын
You have come a long way, look forward to seeing it finished thanks for sharing
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
You are welciome, and thanx! Yeah, it looks like this project will once be finished. More or less. :-)
@anthonyellis9804
@anthonyellis9804 3 жыл бұрын
Noticed you took amperage reading using clamp around only one positive cable. You have a parallel positive cable setup, the clamp needs to surround both positive cables to obtain the total amperage draw.
@Craboeki
@Craboeki 5 жыл бұрын
Good work bro! Hurry up! I am in for a sailing holiday with a lot of fishing, diving and BBQ! 🤓
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, I'm trying!!! Start practicing in your bath tub already! :-) And lose some fat. You'll have to fit in the rear cabin, hahaha!
@Craboeki
@Craboeki 5 жыл бұрын
Sailing Exodos 🤪🤪LOL!
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
@@Craboeki :-)
@Capfka
@Capfka 5 жыл бұрын
It's "spin cycle" in the washing machine, but I rather like "centrifuge". Another great vide.
@willemduitemeijer1683
@willemduitemeijer1683 5 жыл бұрын
Capfka water is extracted by centrifugal force. Hence the Dutch name “Centrifuge”
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
Thanx for the info. Yeah, as a non English native it's difficult sometimes to find the right term, especially when I'm talking into the camera :-) But as long as our viewers know what I'm talking about, it's okay, i think.
@Capfka
@Capfka 5 жыл бұрын
@@DoubleUThings Oh yeah, just informing, not criticising! :-)
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
@@Capfka I know! :-)
@SailingSVEasy
@SailingSVEasy 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video, good spirit, enjoyed it a lot. If the two plus cables run parallel you want to put them both into the clamp amperemeter to measure the current. Your total current might probably be twice the value you measured. With a 2000 watts heating element of the washing machine you can expect some 160 Amps at 12 Volts.
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
Hi! You are the second one who tells me this... Hm... I got too look this up again. I asked a professional electrician, because i thought the same, but he said it doesn't work that way. So he must have been wrong, or he must have misunderstood me. But I guess 160 amps is a little much, because I measured the same amps in both cables. So the highest amount of amps (2x the short startup amperage of the washing machine) should then be 50 amps max. I measured peaks of max 23 amps. (not more than 30 degrees Celsius, which is the lowest possible temp) Thanx for the info! Wim
@CatGreatcircle
@CatGreatcircle 5 жыл бұрын
Getting there!
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
Def-def-deffunnuttullie!
@PaulusPHM
@PaulusPHM 5 жыл бұрын
very informative , thank / bedankt
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
Graag gedaan. Ik hoop dat ik niet te veel onzin heb staan te verkondigen, hahaha!
@finnsailing69
@finnsailing69 5 жыл бұрын
Now you can call it a victron! (Victory🤣) nice unit
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
HOOAAAAAAAH! Yeah, we are happy we could afford it. At last some good piece of equipment in our boat! :-)
@MachielIedema
@MachielIedema 5 жыл бұрын
Leuke video. Klein dingetje. Je meet met de ampère meter maar één kabel. Je gebruikt twee kabels parallel, dus je verbruik moet je verdubbelen. Je wasmachine verbruikt dus twee keer zoveel dan de aangaf. 🤔🤫😍
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
Dat vroeg ik me daarvoor ook af. Ik heb dat toen aan een professionele elektromonteur gevraagd en die zei dat dat niet zo was, vandaar. En als hij echt 2x zoveel gebruikt, zou de zekering er toch uit moeten vliegen...?
@rickankone5635
@rickankone5635 5 жыл бұрын
Sailing Exodos Je doelt op de 16A zekering? Dat is de AC zekering en je meet DC. Die heb je beschermd met een 400A zekering. Je hebt dus nog iets speelruimte ;)
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
@@rickankone5635 Haha, ja, je hebt gelijk! :-) Ik zit natuurlijk het amperage over de 12V te meten :D Lekker helder!
@willemduitemeijer1683
@willemduitemeijer1683 5 жыл бұрын
Lekker man. ‘T gah je goe.
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
Danks! Ja, zolang we het allemaal aan de praat krijgen... Maar ik moet eerlijk toegeven dat ik soms "hard" tegen bepaalde apparatuur praat, zucht...
@jeromepark7002
@jeromepark7002 4 жыл бұрын
Hi there i think i saw the fuse installation a bit confusing Can you double check ... I have just installed my victron easy solar unit 48/3000/35 . 250V 70 A Cheers and enjoy you unit i know i am 😎
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
Hi! Can I double check what? :-) The 400 amp melt fuse, and the placement of it, is conform what Victron says. The 230V fuses and the "ground fuse" are also according to what Victron says. And yes, we enjoy that Victron too! We just also fitted new solar panels and two solar chargers (Victron SmartSolar 100/50 and 100/30, and a BMV-700 battery monitor). Love them! Video about it coming soon. But first a video about our diesel heater installation.
@macabhaird8789
@macabhaird8789 3 жыл бұрын
Did I miss it... or, 1. what gauge wire, for the hot, neutral & ground going to the shore power plug, 2. stranded or solid? 3. and I assume regular battery cable gauge going to the battery bank?
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Man, that's a century ago! 😂 Let me think... 1) I really don't know anymore. Sorry. It's not written on them either (16 millimeter square maybe...?) Anyway, thicker than the normal 230V cables. 2) They are stranded, but not tin-plated. Wasn't available over there. 3) I know this one! :-) It's two times 50 millimeter square, as suggested by Victron, so a little more than regular.
@jackneff179
@jackneff179 5 жыл бұрын
We call those ground fault protectors
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
Thanx for the info! Sometimes I wish I was an English native. But probably most English natives also don't have the slightest idea those things excist, let alone what they do :-)
@ianb4801
@ianb4801 4 жыл бұрын
Something I didn't see. Your charger/inverter connects to your house battery bank, but what about your starter battery? Is there a secondary, low power (ie trickle charge) connection so you can keep your starter battery totally charged as well?
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
Hi! Starter battery has it's own small solar panels and regulator. It's a separate system. It's the oldest system on the boat, but it still works fine. I wanted to have a separate system for that, just to be sure. And if neccesary, in case of emergency, I can switch the house batteries to the starter engines.
@ianb4801
@ianb4801 4 жыл бұрын
@@DoubleUThings Interesting way of doing it. In addition to the trickle connection in some charger/inverters, like the old Victron that I'm scrapping (copped some water damage in a Biscay storm and it is not pure sine wave anyway), the best way I child think of keeping the starter battery in good nick was to run the engine for an hour or so each week; I'm planning my journey back home to Australia from Europe so it's pertinent. I'm using low tech lead-acid batteries (actually scrapped a ridiculous blend of AGM and lead-acid for the house bank) but my power needs are modest - no washing machines for example. Now have 3 115Ah batteries for house, enough it seems. At sea, I need to power my marine equipment, charge a PC, iPad, handheld, my InReach and then see what capacity I have left. As far as emergency use of the house bank to start the engine, I figure simple automotive booster cables would do the trick - or am I missing something? Fitting a solar arch too, of course. Just wondering if there is some way of periodically topping up the starter battery from the panels when the sun is bright. Have you heard of such a way?
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
@@ianb4801 I think you can do that last thing with a simple switch, which allows you to switch between the house bank and starter battery? I think that is the simplest and cheapest solution. Yeah, we are using simple lead acid batteries too. LiFePO4 would be great, but we have 5 x 105Ah lead acids for less than the price of one LiFePO4 :-) And our Victron charger/inverter has a trickle function, but we don't need it. We live on our boat full time and actually don't need shore power (which is a problem over here anyway). We even run the washing machine on solar and batteries when the sun is approximately at it's highest point or a little before that. Work fine with our total of 420Ah battery pack. From Europe to Australia? Nice. We'll follow, but not yet, haha!
@ianb4801
@ianb4801 4 жыл бұрын
@@DoubleUThings Yes, a possibility but really one to address an emergency. I'm thinking more of just keeping the starter battery in top condition, and monitoring it, in the first place
@whiteboi3818
@whiteboi3818 4 жыл бұрын
Residual current device ...RCD.
@SVFresh2Salty
@SVFresh2Salty 3 жыл бұрын
Did you add a VE bus dongle.
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. Actually there should be a bluetooth connection on it, like with our solar regulators, is my humble opinion.
@MstrRo
@MstrRo 3 жыл бұрын
What would you have done if you did want to use the AC out #2 as there is only one terminal screw for the ground on the AC out side?
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 3 жыл бұрын
Ehm... All grounds go to the same point anyway, so i don't see the problem 🤔🙂
@MstrRo
@MstrRo 3 жыл бұрын
I found out that the Victron Multiplus takes care of the grounding internally for the ACout #2, that is why there only one terminal screw for both ACout#1 and ACout#2. According to my research, it is not a good practice to combine (twist) two grounds and stuff them into one terminal lug hole so if you were to do as one might think, one would need to pigtail all the grounds together with a third wire, and then plug that wire in the ground terminal lug. Since this is not necessary, with this inverter, all you would need is a two wire stranded conductor for the ACout#2 benefit. I guess this makes sense for a $1000 plus piece of equipment. That would be odd to leave out necessary terminal lug if it were necessary.
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 3 жыл бұрын
@@MstrRo Yeah, I guess so 🙂
@sailingmessenger8125
@sailingmessenger8125 5 жыл бұрын
Lekker hoor! Redden jullie het nu helemaal zonder walstroom?
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 5 жыл бұрын
We hebben één keer 's nachts moeten bijladen, maar we redden het net met deze paneeltjes. Tot nu toe. De MPPT-lader doet echter raar en gaat niet meer door de gebruikelijke stages heen. Maar we zijn nog steeds blij :-)
@zscpro
@zscpro 3 жыл бұрын
i think you do need a isolation transformer for your shore power...
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! We don't use shore power. We have enough solar, even in winter.
@chilledout8334
@chilledout8334 2 жыл бұрын
Hi what batteries and how many do you have ??
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi back :-) 4x Varta closed lead acid 105Ah. It should be an A-brand, but they suck. They should give me 210Ah free to use (50%), but after about 60Ah they are already half empty and are ducking below 12V. I bought them new, with just three months after production date, with the right and the same voltages, and I had them professionally tested. But within a year they already went bad.
@alexanderbreitschaedel9070
@alexanderbreitschaedel9070 4 жыл бұрын
Ferrules are missing on the flexible lines
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
Not anymore :-)
@Dosheimer
@Dosheimer 4 жыл бұрын
Hi! Very good video! Have in mind to buy the same. Do you also need to connect the housing itself with boat ground?
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
Hi again 😊 Honestly, I don't know... I read different things about it, but there seems not much agreement about the subject.
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
And thanx!
@Dosheimer
@Dosheimer 4 жыл бұрын
@@DoubleUThingsYesterday I have spoken with an authorized/trained German Victron dealer about that. He clearly said that it shoulbe be grounded as also mentioned in the manual. Officially the grounding shoukd be same wire size (mm²) as the big batterie cable. In my boat from the 80´s I would need to make a through hull grounding point for that as there is nothing yet.
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dosheimer The thing is that if you make a through hull for grounding, and you get a lightning strike, you have a hole in your hull.
@Dosheimer
@Dosheimer 4 жыл бұрын
@@DoubleUThings I have the same concern. On the other hand you already have other existing thru hull groundings already: echo sounder, bowtruster.
@eiya2012
@eiya2012 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there. I am thinking of installing a Multiplus II 24/3000/70-32. Looking at your video, can I ask, what is the rated amperage of your AC Input and AC Output cables??. The Multiplus II 24/3000 has a transfer amperage of up to 32Amps - would you then need to put higher rated cables (up to 32A - 4mm2) on there as the 3-core cable you are using looks like 1.5mm2 - rated for 20Amps - is it sufficient? Many thanks.
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! The maximum amount of whatts our Multiplus 12/3000/120 can give at 230 Volts is 3000W peak. Continuous is 2600W. So 3000W / 230V = 13Ah. Breakers are 16 and 32 Amps. And max charging from generator or grid is 120Ah at 14.3V (max charging voltage). So 120Ah x 14.3V = 1716W. 1716W / 230V = 7.5 amps at 230V side. If I'm right, haha, the maximum amperage that's running through those cables is 13Ah. And that is peak for a short time. The cables are shorter than 5mts. We love the Victron. It always works and haven't been giving us troubles since we started using it. And also our Victron solar chargers work great. Happy greetingz, Wim
@eiya2012
@eiya2012 3 жыл бұрын
@@DoubleUThings Hi there Sailing Exodus - many thanks for your reply - and yes, I agree with your maths / calculation. What about when there are spike of up to 4 or 5KW. Have you had any occasions like that - Is it OK for the Inverter? I notice your transfer switch is rated at 16 Amps - have you had to use this on any occasion when you had to coupled the inverter with onshore power and or a generator to manage larger loads?? Many thanks.
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 3 жыл бұрын
@@eiya2012 You are welcome! Ehm, we never use anything that's over 3000 Watts :-) We could do that with our full size washing machine at higher temperatures, but we don't do more than 30 degrees Celsius. But for example our espresso machine or electric tools stay way below that, even when used at the same time. That's the reason we chose a 3000W Multiplus, instead of the 1600W version. Before we installed our new solar panels, we used shore power, but we never had loads so high that the shore power needed essistence of the batteries. And after installing the new solar panels we never used shorepower anymore, although I still used my power tools a lot after that, while we could run the espresso machine or the washing machine at the same time.
@eiya2012
@eiya2012 3 жыл бұрын
@@DoubleUThings Hi there SE - Many thanks for your reply again - its good to know it is meeting all your needs. What about times when you have to use something with a AC motor with quite a high initial spike - e.g. an angle grinder, compressors, hoover or anything like that? No problems? Many thanks...
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 3 жыл бұрын
​@@eiya2012 I think my angle grinder has the highest peak when starting up, but no problem. Also our vacuum cleaner (before we destroyed it with the rebuild :-) ) was no problem at all. We tried our full size washing machine one time at 60 degrees Celsius, and that's when the Multiplus started to feel it, so we stick with max 30 degrees.
@ek9772
@ek9772 4 жыл бұрын
You might want to put a GFCI or RCD before shore power. You might need an isolation transformer: www.victronenergy.com/isolation-transformers/isolation-transformers-2000va-3600va-7000va If you plan to travel to places with a different voltage and frequency, you might want to install a Skylla charger after the isolation transforme and before the inverter: www.victronenergy.com/chargers This would allow you to store shore power into batteries, and then you use the inverter to take power out of the batteries for house loads when traveling, but you still keep the option of using cleaned shore power after the isolation transformer when moored in places with the same voltage and frequency as house loads. If you don’t plan to travel to places with a different voltage and frequency, then you place the isolation transformer after shore power and before the inverter. In either case the isolation transformer will provide galvanic isolation and electric isolation from shore power. Ask an electrician how to do boat grounding. It is different from house or car grounding 😊
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
Thanx for the info, EK, but an isolation transformer is meant for professional ship installations, not for small yachts, says Victron. And we probably won't need shore power anymore :-) We have 1000Wp solar panels and even now, in early spring, our 400Ah batteries are full before 12 'o clock, even if we run our full seize washing machine in the morning. And even if we would need some extra charging, we have a 2.6 kW generator. Yeah, i need to read more about grounding. But not going to consult professionals. They ask way too much money. :D
@Dosheimer
@Dosheimer 4 жыл бұрын
@@DoubleUThings Hi! A quite good alternative (much cheaper) to a costly isolation transformer could be a Zinc Saver (i.e. from Sterling),
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dosheimer Thanx, but it's one step too far for us. We have way more solar power than we need anyway, and we have a backup generator. So we probably never will need shore power. We even run a full size washing machine on it 😊
@Fransvanschie
@Fransvanschie 3 жыл бұрын
No Rcd switch what are you doing on the water with electrics
@Fransvanschie
@Fransvanschie 3 жыл бұрын
Ok i see you added later but i think you need one for shore and one for inverter
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 3 жыл бұрын
@@Fransvanschie Wat is een Rcd switch? :-) (alweer te lang geleden, haha!)
@off-gridsolarsystem-mindor7627
@off-gridsolarsystem-mindor7627 4 жыл бұрын
Come visit philippines we have alot of victron energy stuff here maybe ur interested
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha! That is half a planet away from here, my friend :-) And we already have everything we need: Victron Multiplus, MPPT 100/30 smart, MPPT 100/50 smart, BMV 700 battery monitor. What else would we need? Ah, LiFePo4 batteries! :D No, waaaay too expensive.
@roderickmchardy3650
@roderickmchardy3650 4 жыл бұрын
nice instillation man ( just wonder how much it all cost )
@DoubleUThings
@DoubleUThings 4 жыл бұрын
And more to come :-) Costs? Around 1500 euros for the Multiplus (ouch! yes, i know) and another 150 euros for fuses, cables, cable shoes, crimping.
@roderickmchardy3650
@roderickmchardy3650 4 жыл бұрын
@@DoubleUThings mmmm oouchhh !!! thank you
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