lol he said tits

I would have been so disappointed if the Devil Triggers were just visual things for the supers, so I'm glad they actually function like they do in DMC. On a side note, I really hope we get a new MvC game at some point that includes Vergil, I wanna be able to Judgement Cut End in a fighting game.

It's so cool

@@PlayerZeroStarthonestly, just a DMC fighting game or a DMC crossover in a game would be enough for me. I’d lose my shit laughing like a madman if Vergil were put into a game like Strive and just automatically made the most broken character

@@Stryfe52 A DMC Fighting Game would be cool, though I'm concerned they wouldn't have enough characters to fill a full roster

Vergil is gonna get into fortnite and he's gonna be the most broken skin despite the fact that it's just a cosmetic​@@Stryfe52

Tengu stones top tier tho insanely useful

He didn't respect the stones...

Geneijin and Seiei Enbu are also very much noteworthy, as well as being from the same game. even if Yang doesn't use Enbu often because his EX moves are super good, it's a strong install

I mean, does it really count as an install if there's no form change or actual power boost? Tengu stone just adds extra projectiles. Oro doesn't even physically change himself.

@@Chaos_Vergil Installs are less about changing the character itself and more about the move giving the character added properties/damage to their moves. Any kind of temporary state that changes moves activated by a super move is considered an install, basically.

Yep!

Especially in Night Warriors with Jon's install special and Wolverine in COTA with a similar ability.

It's mostly case Sol gave the mechanic a really cool name and everyone stuck with it. Plus, install as a term makes a lot of sense The process of installing something means you are adding something to the system, and while most installs are temporary, they add new stuff to your character that improves their overall gameplan

@@silverdededestruction2197 Which is most funny because the eponymous dragon install isn't even a transformation super anymore in Strive, just a commandgrab dash.

​@@marzipancutter8144 they gave Ky Dragon Install

I was looking for this in the comments. This is my favoutite install

Goes from worst character to best character on a coin flip

​@morganpriest7726 and that's how it works in his canon too- man can go from "look at my lawyer dawg im going to jail" to the man who has taken nigh impossible cases and found the truth and enough evidence to crucify the culprit

lawyer install

Ironically I'm not even sure if I'd call her install an install, despite literally being named install. It's more of a stock & spend mechanic like a resource character. Having started with Blazblue as one of the first franchises I really got into, she really threw me off as far as my perception of "install" went haha.

If she gets it from stocks of resources (I really don't know anything about BlazBlue so I have no idea), then it's not exactly an install. According to another comment on this same video, A.B.A's Moroha mode from Guilty Gear isn't an install either, but rather a stance (however, Goku Moroha mode is indeed an install). I think it makes sense, but I'm just repeating what I read a minute ago, take it with a grain of salt

@@raghugba863 I'm actually talking about her double quarter circle back super that turns the stock meter into a timer the length of the install depends on the amount of stocks you have she gets a slight damage buff and can use as many enhanced specials as she wants during the time frame

@@Kora_exe Oh, I never saw this reply! I still know nothing about BlazBlue other than some videos I watched like a week ago, but that sounds like a very instally install to me

@@Ennbeardshe’s order sol in blazblue, and yeah, hos isn’t an install character

FUU RIN KA ZAN

Wait, I don't remember him getting a costume change during Fu-Rin-Ka-Zan

@@wakkaseta8351 Oh yeah right, my bad, I mixed up his Astral Finish win pose with Soriz's install. Well, glowing golden kind of counts?

Just gonna ignore the amane drill I see how it is You lost all your barrier blocking the drills

@@V2ULTRAKill blocking? what's that, I only know about dp and wakeup forward roll

@@fatyoshi696 blocking is that thing that makes amane drill install kill you faster

@@V2ULTRAKill Love to somehow take more chip from blocking a poke than I would have taken from getting stabbed, Amane hours that man has fucked up shit

@@syrelian to be fair He has to earn it Its not easy to get lv3 drill

Moroha mode is a stance, not an install However Goku Moroha is an install, but he's mostly going over the most popular games, so no luck for us A.B.A players

​@@justsomeguywithoutamask9602ehh it's Abit of both

@@justsomeguywithoutamask9602it’s a timed stance that is objectively better than her base mode… so an install lol

@@BudewFan_ 1. Timed doesn't equal install 2. It's not objectively better, it trades her defensive options for better offensive options, it's the main reason why she's a "high risk high reward" character in the first place 3. Also if regular Moroha is an install, what is Goku Moroha? An install over an install? Also Goku Moroha does fit into the "objectively better" category since it's basically just Moroha but with better everything Also one thing that imo defines it as a stance is the fact that you need to keep changing between normal mode and Moroha mode a lot during the match, which is not something that happens with installs, Goku Moroha is something that happens at most once per round, meanwhile in a single round A.B.A might change between Moroha and regular mode as often as necessary since she has plenty of ways of changing and/or resetting the stance Or think of Sol's Dragon Install, do you see him going back and forth from the Dragon Install mode and normal mode? Or think of Narmaya's stance in Granblue, you see her changing between Kagura and Genji stance all the time just like A.B.A.s Moroha, the main difference is that she doesn't need to manage her time on one mode specifically because that's not the kind of character she is. Yes both are stance characters, but the properties of the stance are a bit different because it depends on what the devs want with the character Hope this helps

@@justsomeguywithoutamask9602 I see your point and I kinda agree but I do feel like jealous rage is just better, what defensive options does she lose, she gains a decent reversal, her normals and specials don’t get any smaller, her movement becomes a lot better too, to me there’s no real downside, I feel like the main difference between a stance and an install is that a stance has both upsides and downsides and you need both stances, while an install is a state you want to get into as your win condition, or at least a win condition (or can get into for some kind of huge power up, I don’t think being garbage due to its downsides disqualifies sol’s level 2 dragon install from that one game from being an install) I don’t think anyone would be like “oh yeah this character is balanced” if you made A.B.A. permanently in jealous rage, goku moroha is an install on an install kind of like gohan’s levels in dbfz Mostly I feel like calling it a stance just doesn’t convey the right thing, when you think of a stance you tend to think of a mode that is for a different purpose in a character, like a defensive and an offensive stance, where with A.B.A. in strive jealous rage at least to me feels like what you’re supposed to be going for and normal mode is so awful at basically everything to incentivize going into jealous rage and using your win condition

That is a fun fact! I’ve heard legends of Urien’s 2nd v trigger but I had no clue that anyone had ever came across the rare and exotic creature

Oh people who were there know of the rumored v-trigger. If a urien had that trigger loaded you knew you were about to witness someone who truly has forsaken being a man.

That's not an install

@@eddventure6214it’s a fun vtrigger if you want to go monkey mode with urien. Especially using vskill 1 to get the armour then hope your opponent forget to jump or grab on reaction

Small correction. It’s Sammy who has a crush on Yggdrasil. Since Lowain’s crush is Katalina. (to Vira’s annoyance)

i love big microwave

who is old man jimbulus?

If everybody has install,then it just mechanic

I mean Overdrive is just a system mechanic and Susanoo's seals fits more neatly under the snowball character list. His overdrive gives him access to all seals but iirc still doesn't let him use either distortion at max level, even his OD unique distortion only unlocks level 1 of all of his seals and no further. Hakumen's Mugen is a more reasonable example of an install for BB imo.

Guys why are you saying that overdrive being a system mechanic disqualifies it from being an install? Is dust from gg not an overhead because it's universal? The video even mentions the V system from SfV, which is also a system mechanic.

@@zaktak4380 Okay, yeah my b. I guess I should reword and clarify I think OD is definitely an install but unlike V Trigger-which is more a case by case basis on whether or not it actually is, is more interesting to talk about since its less of a given I guess and I'm guessing they just knew more about SFV than BB. I just thought your example of Susanoo is one of the weaker ones, like Izanami is a better example of interesting ODs imo-and I'm a Susanoo main in that game

@@ListlessWither I wasn't mentioning Susanoo as an example for OD, rather as an interesting take on a character powering up. I admit that his seals being an install is debatable though (maybe more of a level mechanic) thats why I also mentioned Jubei. As for Hakumen and some other characters, their installs aren't all that playstyle defining.

My favourite thing about Sol is his simplistic kit with minimal gimmicks, so I'm glad I don't have an install to worry about. Not like I disagree tho lol

I mean there are actual plot reasons as to why he doesn't have it in Strive

hi endermanprince

Only right to have the example for install type 3 be Sol's Heavy Mob Cemetery in Strive

I think a better install in ASBR is Fugo's Purple Haze Distortion. It can be activated when his health falls below 25% (It might be 20% I don't remember exactly), as well as when he uses his GHA. Distortion increases his virus damage, but is one of the best installs because it persists into the next round. Plus it's Purple Haze Feedback representation and we love to see that.

Yeah, ASBR does have quite a few installs and similar stuff. Diavolo and his Epitaph, Diego's Dinosaur form, Josuke's counter. Not sure if Mode abilities of the Pillar Men count, but Kars has an Ultimate Lifeform install. I'm also not quite sure if New Moon Pucci qualifies.

@@painsufferingevenperhapsag2980 PHF rep is always the best rep

@@sirskitariibush5570 new moon pucci definetly qualifies as an install. I found hilarious how dragon ball main feature are transformations and it has like 2 installs while jojo has like 3 major transformation moments (Ger, Pucci and Kars) but has SO MANY INSTALLS. Like a 1/6 of the rooster has major installs not to mention minor ones like the level up mechanic of Joseph and Johnny, the corpse parts charcters, Hermes' stickers. You'd need a video just for the installs in this game fr

4 different FuRinKaZan songs would be badass, but it's just two: the OG one and a second one from Chronophantasm on.

@@itsshauta Ah, my mistake. I've only played the original and CentralFiction.

I feel like I've seen that idea somewhere but I forget where From a design perspective, you really have two figure out two major problems from how I see it A: A lot of stance characters draw strength directly from HAVING a Stance Mode, since it often gives them a very safe special cancel for blockstrings and followups, cheating the frame data as it were, and giving that up needs some kind of consummate return B: This kind of ties into A, but a lot of characters have multiple moves off one stance state, or unique movement options such as a different jump or dash, which means you need to figure out how to integrate that into their normal moveset in a natural feeling way and often without removing their normal options, having a stance often means having a second toolbox, whether its a couple moves out of the stance, or a whole second moveset I don't think either of these are necessarily unsolvable, in particular, A is pretty easily solved by just making it that under install, the stance command special cancels you... to neutral state with some kind of short animation, so you keep the advantages of using it, if it happened without an animation it'd be its own kind of fucked up, people pay meter for that kind of privilege once, getting to buy that shit at monthly rates would be wild B is a much harder task that is likely unsolvable for a lot of character designs, especially the more options and the more discrete their changes are between stances, you could obviously normalize any base spec changes like move speed or special mobility options(eg an air dash only existing on one side), but stuff like having different normals or specials gets a lot harder to solve, especially if they don't reflect a clear paradigm swap, someone having an invincible reversal on one side thats like, a standard projectile on the other doesn't exactly blend well, if you wanted to be fucked up its now two projectiles, one at an angle and also its now invuln like the reversal but like, that alone is a massive power up and not simply blending stance concepts You'd likely have better results trying this with a character that has restrictions rather than mode-based abilities, if that makes sense, releasing limiters is often easier than melding strengths, a Perfect Stance type gimmick is something you kind of need to approach from the get-go to make everything bend to the concept

Totally! There are certainly installs that predate guilty gear same as there being transformations in Japanese media before dragon ball, it’s simply that GG popularized the idea and had it named after itself

@@eddventure6214 an example of franchises with transformations before dragon ball is robot boy and super sentai rangers

or Sans Culotte or ANYTHING :( granted I doubt this channels audience is big into SNK stuff so I'll live

To my knowledge, only Chris had an install and that was only in one game. Otherwise the orochi variants are completely different characters. At present, the best install in SNK is Rock Howard's install in KOF XV.

@@Ninja07Keaton they may mean iori and leona's orochi installs in some of the games (i think the dream matches specifically?)

Fun fact, I’m from STL and we actually had one of the bigger scenes for this game awhile back! Me personally I’m sticking to my own business 😭