Insulation Resistance Testing

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John Ward

John Ward

7 жыл бұрын

Overview of insulation resistance testing including common problems.
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@seandempsey9396
@seandempsey9396 3 жыл бұрын
This man is fabulous he makes it so easy to understand and learning from JW is a joy
@thomasclay6283
@thomasclay6283 Жыл бұрын
I'm a late learning doing my level two and I always come to you if other channel's over complicate these video. Thank you, I also love your calm approach to teaching
@IAmThe_RA
@IAmThe_RA Жыл бұрын
May i know how old are you? I'm 34 and i also want to get some training and become a licensed electrician (i have a degree in electronics which has helped me a lot to understand electrical topics).
@phillyo51
@phillyo51 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the informative video John. I’m a electrician with mainly on site experience. I’m moving into the testing side of the field so your tutorial is great for refreshing the memory from my apprentice days. It’s amazing the depth of knowledge involved for the job and it’s easy to forget it over time if you don’t practice it. I’ll be watching more of your videos. Thanks again.
@WindmanSWE
@WindmanSWE 4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. Very easy and instructive video with good "common issues" tips. Thanks John!
@ajames14
@ajames14 7 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say thank you for making all these helpful videos. I am a beginner and you're helping me a great deal!
@ashreid20
@ashreid20 Жыл бұрын
" you'll certainly feel it" said with such aplomb. Thank you for these videos, much appreciated.
@keno77
@keno77 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you John Ward, this was the most informative video I have seen regarding the insulation testing, keep up the good work.
@catherineahonsi4989
@catherineahonsi4989 4 жыл бұрын
John thank youfor the excellent videos.You are a great electric teacher.Electricity flows in you
@paulfinglas1305
@paulfinglas1305 7 жыл бұрын
what plain simple explanation well done JW and thanks for the tips on what to look out for!
@MrDunk66
@MrDunk66 7 жыл бұрын
Faulty defrost elements in refrigerator, another culprit I have identified. Thanks for the tutorial.
@chrischaralambous286
@chrischaralambous286 2 жыл бұрын
Great video John. Very clearly explained and informative. Thank you for making this video.👍
@niallers8572
@niallers8572 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video John Keep up the good work
@shadrewan
@shadrewan 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you John, I very much appreciate your videos.
@keithshreve6736
@keithshreve6736 7 жыл бұрын
Great video John. Thank you.
@antonios4926
@antonios4926 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for the video. Very detailed as usual.
@vikingofengland
@vikingofengland 3 жыл бұрын
Love JW, and his very dry sense of humour. Makes me laugh, but I learn a ton at the same time.
@ImranKhan-cf8gs
@ImranKhan-cf8gs 3 жыл бұрын
Very clear explanation of insulation resistance test will explained with drawings very knowledgeable guy in his field keep up the good works
@ImranKhan-cf8gs
@ImranKhan-cf8gs 3 жыл бұрын
New circuits 999 ok
@ImranKhan-cf8gs
@ImranKhan-cf8gs 3 жыл бұрын
How about electrical room heaters with elements can cause rcd to trip
@ImranKhan-cf8gs
@ImranKhan-cf8gs 3 жыл бұрын
How about usb sockects they need to be removed
@thomasryan5068
@thomasryan5068 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative .well described and put simply with diagrams Glad I found JW u tube videos.
@gigaflynn_
@gigaflynn_ 10 ай бұрын
Once when I was working as a Kitchen Porter for a major restaurant chain, I caught our 3 element, 10kW immersion heater JUST as it was starting to catch fire, due to an arc forming across insulation breaking down on one of the connectors. The smell of burning plastic when I went to get the vacuum cleaner gave it away. This lead to a very frantic 30 seconds as I turned off every single switch I could find in the cupboard, then opened up the breaker box and tried to find what exactly they had labelled the heater elements as. Definitely one of the more stressful short events of my life!
@Daniells1982
@Daniells1982 7 жыл бұрын
Insulation resistance testing during electrical installation condition reporting is the biggest ball ache in an electrician's existence!! There's always that one thing left plugged in or light fitting with a transformer that the customer always forgets to mention.
@trickyd-wc7bq
@trickyd-wc7bq 7 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you there. I almost always now pre-agree with the client and do the IR test between L&N together to Earth on EICRs.
@frankhayes1135
@frankhayes1135 7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. The requirement to do an insulation test after even minor work is a pain. You often cannot even determine the extent of the circuit due to a hundred additions over time and you can guarantee things are plugged in behind wardrobes, under beds, behind kitchen cupboards and in lofts; even the home owners don't know they exist!! My registration body advised to simply put LIM on the form otherwise you can be there all day and still not get a test.
@frankhayes1135
@frankhayes1135 7 жыл бұрын
Additionally, try explaining to a customer who has just had an additional socket installed why you are going around every room in the house unplugging everything. Until you insulation test you do not know if you have disconnected everything or not by which time you will have sent the first 500V down the line and may well have destroyed some expensive LED installations or IT /video equipment. Common sense (and safety) dictates that you do only a LN-CPC test unless it is a completely new rewire.
@Daniells1982
@Daniells1982 7 жыл бұрын
You're right, to agree limitations is sensible. The problem with the approving bodies is their advice can be conflicting and inconsistent depending on which inspector or person u speak to. You'd like to think common sense prevails but there's always someone to question it.
@Webbster77
@Webbster77 6 жыл бұрын
trickyd2013 connecting live and neutral together and testing both to earth bypasses the load though right? So no need to really worry about pir's or lamps still in fittings?
@emmanuelsang213
@emmanuelsang213 Жыл бұрын
Candid explanation JW, keep up the good work
@CD17able
@CD17able 3 жыл бұрын
Very good instructions, you should teach if you don’t already. Another thing to look out for since this video was made is USB/WiFi socket outlets.
@ivandrago8299
@ivandrago8299 7 жыл бұрын
Hi John another great video thanks. My opinion on IR; IR is arguably the most important test that is ironically rarely done by Electricians. It's the test that tells you if a cable is melting and if a building is likely to burn to the ground. A good Manager will know if his FWT Engineers are or aren't doing IR Tests based on two things. 1-Are all the test results the same on every EICR/EIC/Minor Works he does? >999 ??? 2-How often do they buy new batteries for their MFT ? IR dramatically reduces battery life. Though maybe your firm has the new Megger 1730 or above which doesn't require batteries. I'd add a few other points; 1-Remember to switch two-way and intermediate lighting circuits etc all directions re-testing each time so you check all parts of the circuit. 2-Warn other tradesmen nearby to get away from extraneous conductive parts. Seen a plumber leaning on a radiator beside the mains getting a zap during IR Testing one time but it's ok he was a Plumber... 3-You never covered the 3 phase process of IR testing. 4-You may have to discharge some circuits you have put 500v through if you need to test Continuity after IR. Testing process is not always done by the BS7671 process. Leave the probes on or touch the cables to Earth Bar and watch them spark. 5-Old VIR Cables should be tested at 250V
@garrycashin9516
@garrycashin9516 6 жыл бұрын
Ivan Drago
@GarBrowne1
@GarBrowne1 8 ай бұрын
Loop impedance will tell you if a building is going to burn down
@yoyoyotooo
@yoyoyotooo 4 жыл бұрын
The best and most well explained videos on the internet, you my friend are priceless!! 👍
@dg2908
@dg2908 7 жыл бұрын
Also worth mentioning, when testing lighting with 2 or more way switching, L-N and L-E tests need doing for each of the different switch combinations in turn. This is most fun when working alone with the board in the cellar and the landing light switches in the hallway and at either end of the landing. An increasingly common permanent load L-N would be a 13A socket with integrated USB power supply
@TheChipmunk2008
@TheChipmunk2008 7 жыл бұрын
Yep, got caught out by one of those we'd forgotten we'd installed during the testing phase. Fortunately the test didn't damage it
@SHANONisRegenerate
@SHANONisRegenerate Жыл бұрын
What a great video. Thanks for the detailed explanation.
@gvvq-pi5ml
@gvvq-pi5ml 7 жыл бұрын
Hi John, could you do a video about testing insulation on things like kettles and immersion heater when disconnected from the mains, and cooker rings etc, from Fred in Essex.
@davidceredig-evans8772
@davidceredig-evans8772 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Many thanks.
@perplexed1471
@perplexed1471 Ай бұрын
That's incredibly helpful, thank you
@train4905
@train4905 4 жыл бұрын
Superb explanation sir.
@TheCodboy19
@TheCodboy19 7 жыл бұрын
John,could you possibly do a video covering global IR testing on split boards? Seen other videos where only RCD is the mains switch,doesn't really help if its a 16th or 17th split board!
@mailoroquendo2570
@mailoroquendo2570 6 жыл бұрын
super explanatory video .Thanks
@mohamedbaghdadi778
@mohamedbaghdadi778 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant thanks John. I am pretty sure if you are my teacher in electrical I gonna be the best electrician in 🇬🇧.
@j3cpg
@j3cpg Жыл бұрын
Great info John, thank you.
@kenmurangiri5223
@kenmurangiri5223 3 жыл бұрын
great work mr John
@StagArmslower
@StagArmslower 6 жыл бұрын
Sir, how would you test GFCI breaker circuit which trips intermittently even with the hot tub is totally disconnected but the wires are still connected to GFCI. Should I disconnect piggy back white wire to not to damage it or disconnect all the wires? Also should I disconnect wires from the breaker in house breaker box for maximum separation or it is enough to turn breaker off. Great presentation, thanks
@SaravanaKumar53
@SaravanaKumar53 5 жыл бұрын
your voice kicks that interest whenever i start your video, great voice sir.
@zokirataj4046
@zokirataj4046 11 ай бұрын
I like youre explanation. This video can be only 1/3 long, but probably everybody will understant all, but remeber probably only few things. If video will be longer, nobody vew to the end. Very nice explained and right long video to remeber everything. Thanks.
@zokirataj4046
@zokirataj4046 11 ай бұрын
I mean remember. Phone have to small keys for my eyes.
@daveo138
@daveo138 4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful. Thank you.
@photographybyabi9379
@photographybyabi9379 6 жыл бұрын
great Video and tutorials
@tomalison7866
@tomalison7866 3 жыл бұрын
love your work. thank you alot mate helping me get my head clear on testing procedures how to and why. side note, bbc news at 10 called they want their voice back. haha
@kaka3661able
@kaka3661able 3 жыл бұрын
Dude your like the Maverick of electrics. Top Gunnn baby
@onefortheroad1
@onefortheroad1 7 жыл бұрын
Hi john all those items that you listed, immersions, pond pumps etc wouldn't these be isolated before the test, therefore not part of the readings?
@HafizurRahman-mw8bp
@HafizurRahman-mw8bp 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Great tutor.
@benwhittle1093
@benwhittle1093 7 жыл бұрын
great videos, thanks
@Tom-Lahaye
@Tom-Lahaye 3 жыл бұрын
Another item which you may forget about when testing may include mechanical ventilation systems often found in newer homes, often wired directly in and situated in the loft. Could a separate net filter mar your measurements? The capacitors in them have an impedance which gets lower as the frequency increases, but they have a fairly high impedance for 50Hz, this impedance may be around 5 MΩ. However, the resistance for a DC current is very high or infinitive, when the capacitor isn't exposed to a voltage too high. When you use a 500v test voltage on a filter which contains capacitors rated for 400v it may cause problems?, could the capacitor insulation fail? I ask this because after disconnecting all known users I could still measure a potential between the earth leads in my consumer box and the disconnected earth lead to the earth electrode. (No metal parts should be touched in the house when earth is disconnected with the power switched on, there is no earth protection and touching a metal surface can be lethal if an earth fault should occur! I made sure no other people or pets were in the house when doing this measurement) It turned out to be the lighting in the bathroom cupboard/mirror which is directly wired in, it contains LED lights and a switched power supply, the lights are switched on and off in the low voltage circuit and the power supply stays energized all the time.
@andreim841
@andreim841 7 жыл бұрын
I could listen this for hours...
@harithapa763
@harithapa763 6 жыл бұрын
Total voltage DC 250,500,1000 in Megger multimeter no more option to set in DC. How can I adjust it AC ? Or DC mean throwing DC 250,500 or 1000v?
@megacisco69
@megacisco69 3 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful for me to find a short the other day. Thanks!
@MrTrumanBrain
@MrTrumanBrain 6 жыл бұрын
Hi john, just to pick your brain really, I use an analog mega tester all the time, its my goto fault finding tool of choice. Quite offer when checking an older property with damp issues, the needle on the tester will do a FSD then slowly sink back to >1Mohm (hopefully more). Would this be because the damp short is getting dried out by the 500v or maybe the initial surge from the mega is producing the FSD? Like the video presenter voice BTW! And how about a short video on analysis of analog mega readings for us older sparks?
@edmundfisher4951
@edmundfisher4951 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks
@ia4387
@ia4387 Жыл бұрын
Hi John, did you ever make a video doing SELV & PELV testing please?
@persupersulast2506
@persupersulast2506 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a video on breaker before SPD, because it needs to be of special kind, thank you
@simont190
@simont190 4 жыл бұрын
Example I just completed a months training for city and guilds domestic installer including 18th edition. Contacted niceic they asked have you worked in the industry for 2 years I said no (honest answer) then you cannot join for 2 years. I asked where it said this on there website? Buried on page 12 of brochure. But when you click on there join us link on the site it says quite boldly join us within 3 weeks. No mention of 2 years experience. I rephoned and said I have 2 years experience (no evidence requested) was told I could arrange an assesment immediately no mention of 2 years experience required. When they discovered it was me call was diverted to a higher up who then refused to proceed. When I asked what 2 years experience was they could not tell me. When I pushed them it could be as simple as 4 items of work done over the 2 years. Judge for yourself. Is that rectum protectum. Or raising the standards In The industry?
@tonymcfeisty2478
@tonymcfeisty2478 2 жыл бұрын
on light switches, understand the need for leaving switches on, but what is the procedure for two way and intermediate switches.
@robkelly5722
@robkelly5722 3 жыл бұрын
I found this very useful, thanks John.
@raymondcwkoh7458
@raymondcwkoh7458 Жыл бұрын
im back here again. because i need refresher. Trust me, this gentlemanyl... Mr John Ward is good. Why need refresher? My bad, my age and memory.
@ipe67
@ipe67 2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful 🙏
@carlmarquardt994
@carlmarquardt994 2 жыл бұрын
Literally amazing
@michaeljohnson1006
@michaeljohnson1006 7 жыл бұрын
One of my college friends used to attach the megger croc clips to his tongue, then wind the hand cranked megger till he was shaking... I remembered him doing this when we were waiting to go into class lol....
@ivandrago8299
@ivandrago8299 7 жыл бұрын
Michael Johnson he's dead now though I bet? Lol
@michaeljohnson1006
@michaeljohnson1006 7 жыл бұрын
not sure!
@mreido
@mreido 6 жыл бұрын
probably a plumber now :P
@TheSpattman
@TheSpattman 6 жыл бұрын
mreido Move
@londonboy9422
@londonboy9422 3 жыл бұрын
Why?
@seychelles44
@seychelles44 4 жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting for you to play that piano...lol great training videos...
@joefranklin4088
@joefranklin4088 7 жыл бұрын
Hi John can you do a video on how contactors work, why they are used and where would we use them please, great videos very informative John
@johncoyne2067
@johncoyne2067 7 жыл бұрын
joe franklin
@omarcaruana
@omarcaruana 2 жыл бұрын
Hi John. In case one is testing a ring circuit, shall one link both L cables (incoming and outgoing) together and test them against N cables linked together?
@MikeSmith-tx2lp
@MikeSmith-tx2lp Жыл бұрын
Provided you have first proved the continuity of the ring for all three conductors, you can just connect one end.
@KarenTookTheKids364
@KarenTookTheKids364 6 жыл бұрын
Noticed for water culprits that electrical showers weren't mentioned. I've had a problem before where an electrical shower was tripping the whole upstairs socket circuit. Just thought I'd add that in case anyone is having a similar issue.
@Pherral
@Pherral 7 жыл бұрын
with regards to neons in plugs or FCUs. What is the appropriate action? disconnect them? link L-N and test across them the CPC? the OSG just says disconnect dimmers but no guide on neon devices
@jwflame
@jwflame 7 жыл бұрын
Switch them off. In most cases there is no need to do insulation testing beyond them as they are normally used for fixed equipment such as electric fires, boilers, etc.
@CrazySparkie63
@CrazySparkie63 7 жыл бұрын
I install a lot of MICC and can always get an IR greater than 499 M Ohm. The worst I have come across was about 30 years ago in the houses of parliament, most of the MICC was less than 0.2 M Ohm (a lot of the pots had no RMX compound whatsoever) and most of the protection was 3036 and BS88
@ivandrago8299
@ivandrago8299 7 жыл бұрын
CrazySparkie63 watch out for asbestos mesh flash guards on those fuse wire carriers mate!
@sports872
@sports872 Жыл бұрын
How common is MICC in 2022?
@CrazySparkie63
@CrazySparkie63 Жыл бұрын
@@sports872 Still very common in new builds!
@jphoward4407
@jphoward4407 7 жыл бұрын
legend John Ward! up ya biya!!!!! man of the year so far👍
@Khanjan-si8me
@Khanjan-si8me 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍🙏🙏
@sexytimetommy
@sexytimetommy 6 жыл бұрын
My meter has an additional Mohm setting of 20,200 or 200 and continuity on it has 20,200 and 2000 ohm setting. Which setting do I need for each test respectively? Any help appreciated, testing exam tomorrow and unsure, and find info anywhere and been ages since used as been on install, any help greatly appreciated.
@jwflame
@jwflame 6 жыл бұрын
For continuity you are looking for very low resistances, so the lowest range would be used, 20. The meter should also be specified as being able to apply at least 200mA test current. For insulation the desired result is the highest possible, so the highest range would be used. The output voltage of the meter is also important, 500V for single phase circuits.
@sexytimetommy
@sexytimetommy 6 жыл бұрын
John Ward thanks mate, so 2000 ohm on ir, not sure about 200mA but sounds right I'll check that out. I will be doing ir on 500v on single phase but just a bit unsure if I would megger 3 phase single phase breaker at any more than 500v unless it's supply 3 phase equipment on a 3 phase breaker then I would test at 1000v is that correct? Cheers
@planetconker1104
@planetconker1104 4 жыл бұрын
On the IR testyou said that you could link the L & N to one prove and the cpc to the other if its impractical to remove something that could be damaged. Would that work for doing IR tests on sockets that have the USB slots on them? as I assume they would be fried with 500v
@jwflame
@jwflame 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and that is the only way to test those sockets. Also used for lighting installations which contain electronic devices that are impractical to disconnect.
@ArvindChauhan-uq6qd
@ArvindChauhan-uq6qd 4 жыл бұрын
Sir why technician required neutral or graunding earthing difference demand 0.5volt.Pls sir make a video and explain with example
@Ralpad1
@Ralpad1 7 жыл бұрын
Brilliant 👍
@Forester17
@Forester17 7 жыл бұрын
An apprentice accidently meggered (500V) through the analogue supply authority kWh meter. Everything is working ok, but can the meter be damaged by doing an IR test on the submains with the meter in circuit?
@jwflame
@jwflame 7 жыл бұрын
No, all that the older meters contain are a few of coils of wire, all of which can easily withstand 500 volts and probably a lot more.
@harrycallaghan2531
@harrycallaghan2531 Жыл бұрын
Always a Joy listening to you John. Thank you!
@07BLUESTORM
@07BLUESTORM Жыл бұрын
Not a joy but boring listen to him, having said that John is very straight forward in his explanations.
@jackcole2347
@jackcole2347 2 жыл бұрын
So if you didn’t disconnect the neutral we’d get a reading between neutral and earth?
@warrengray610
@warrengray610 7 жыл бұрын
John what about dimmer switches, do we omit bypass or what
@bramcoteelectrical1088
@bramcoteelectrical1088 3 жыл бұрын
disconnect or bypass
@surman1816
@surman1816 3 жыл бұрын
great stuff
@Phantom-mk4kp
@Phantom-mk4kp 9 ай бұрын
Would it make sense to test at 250V first before 500V, that way anything that is still Connected won't be damaged
@jwflame
@jwflame 9 ай бұрын
Yes.
@Mark-ij2nh
@Mark-ij2nh Ай бұрын
It's only continuity you need to remove lamps as it affects the resistance reading not insulation resistance as you just test between the bars and breakers on the board
@flinty2006
@flinty2006 3 жыл бұрын
I can understand how can you test between live and neutral because what goes out on the live comes back on the neutral but how are you testing between live and earth because the earth isnt connected to anything at the other end of the circuit except in a fault condition
@Robert-ts2ef
@Robert-ts2ef 3 жыл бұрын
John, what about LED down lights as it’s impractical to go round and remove them especially if there are a lot of them? Your thoughts?
@jwflame
@jwflame 3 жыл бұрын
Connect L&N together, and test between that and E.
@Robert-ts2ef
@Robert-ts2ef 3 жыл бұрын
@@jwflame I am not an electrician but just interested in electrics. Thanks for that.
@charliemegson2915
@charliemegson2915 7 жыл бұрын
Hi john great video, wouldn't it be much safer (and quicker) just to test everything LN to cpc on 250V all the time? This would negate all problems that currently exist with real world IR testing i'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
@jwflame
@jwflame 7 жыл бұрын
250V DC isn't high enough, 240V AC has a peak of 340V. LN to cpc is certainly useful on existing installations where equipment is connected, but for a new installation equipment should not be connected until after testing is done.
@hamidbazmi7948
@hamidbazmi7948 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John, I wonder what test can be practically done for EITR on a commercial job where you cant turn off any circuit or the whole system. THANKS
@jwflame
@jwflame 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much nothing - if power can't be turned off, it's fairly m pointless having an EICR done. There are always opportunities to turn things off, that may be overnight, weekends or some other planned time.
@hamidbazmi7948
@hamidbazmi7948 3 жыл бұрын
@@jwflame thanks John.
@ashokpatel2700
@ashokpatel2700 7 жыл бұрын
Great Videos. Thank you. Lamps: Fly in the ointment is that modern LED lamps have integrated bulbs so not easy to disconnect unless one removes the whole fitting for the ceiling.
@chloetaylor1941
@chloetaylor1941 6 жыл бұрын
Ashok Patel u
@edward_grabczewski
@edward_grabczewski 4 жыл бұрын
Regarding the Guard terminal on an insulation resistance tester: when is it appropriate to use this lead? The Megger MIT525 manual suggests using it for resistances above 100GOhm but another Megger webpage says 100MOhm. (uk.megger.com/electrical-tester/april-2019/the-importance-of-the-guard-terminal-in-insulation). I don't own a Megger but I've got a cheap SZBJ BM500A insulation resistance tester that has a "G" terminal but says little about using it. The BM500A only measures to approx 1GOhm yet it has a G terminal, so I'm guessing it's 100MOhm and not 100GOhm. I haven't yet found a KZfaq video that shows how to use the "G" terminal.
@cannaroe1213
@cannaroe1213 3 жыл бұрын
I thought i knew, but i looked at a picture of a SZBJ BM500A, and I definitely don't xD
@pauljohncross
@pauljohncross 6 жыл бұрын
Would you be able to explain the best way to test both individual circuits and the whole installation where there are ONLY single pole RCBOs (neutral fly-lead, no earth fly-lead) installed where the manufacturers instructions state that "all connections to the device must be removed prior to conducting insulation resistance tests".
@jwflame
@jwflame 6 жыл бұрын
For individual circuits, disconnect the circuit L & N wires from the RCBO and test those wires. If RCBOs are installed, it is not possible to test L-N for the whole installation, but you could still connect L&N together and test LN - E for the whole installation.
@pauljohncross
@pauljohncross 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks John. So would I be in correct in stating that for a ring final circuit, I would disconnect both legs (L, N, & E (I've seen some texts stating that the earth should remain connected to the CU and others stating that it should be disconnected...)) from the CU and connect crocs to one leg only thereby replicating the test for a radial circuit?
@jwflame
@jwflame 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, but leave the earth connected to the consumer unit.
@dale76uk
@dale76uk 5 жыл бұрын
Neon's within Switchgear, Fluorescent Battens (Ballasts Leakage to Earth)
@MrSJT
@MrSJT 4 жыл бұрын
John I heard you say greater than 1megohm is acceptable but isn't it correct that on a new installation you need a minimum of 20megohms to be acceptable? Great videos by the way!
@jwflame
@jwflame 4 жыл бұрын
1M is the minimum stated in BS7671, however for a new installation you would expect values in the 100s for a single circuit. Anything less would require further investigation. Older installations may be lower due to contamination with dirt/grease/moisture at sockets and switches, but even there a value of 1 is the absolute minimum and higher values would still be desirable.
@MrSJT
@MrSJT 4 жыл бұрын
@@jwflame yes you're right, I just found out where I read about the 20Mohms from... Guidance Note 3 page 51 3rd paragraph anything below 20M on new installations should be investigated
@boolve
@boolve 3 жыл бұрын
Are you saying that shortening L and N for testing rings with power sockets that has USB ports integrated shouldn't damage them? Thanks.
@jwflame
@jwflame 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, if L&N are connected together, there can be no voltage between them to damage anything.
@boolve
@boolve 3 жыл бұрын
@@jwflame sure you have said that in video, not even know why I asked. Thank you
@michaelcostello6991
@michaelcostello6991 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have to disconnect the neutral ? when testing between Line. Would it just give a slightly lower reading that would still pass anyway ? Please clarify
@jwflame
@jwflame 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, otherwise the neutral will still be connected to the neutrals of other circuits which could result in incorrect or misleading results. Line and neutral disconnected from everything else, but the protective conductor remains connected to the main earth terminal which will show faults between L/N and the actual Earth.
@michaelcostello6991
@michaelcostello6991 2 жыл бұрын
@@jwflame I watched another video where they left the neutrals connected as they were correctly torqued already. I guess you will get a lower reading between line and neutral or neutral and earth but if the reading is acceptable at least you know the circuit is safe i would imagine !! . However i suppose it would not be acceptable to record this reading in the paperwork. Thanks for your reply.
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 7 жыл бұрын
how would you test fluorescent lighting and recessed spotlights where you may have multiple lights in a kitchen ceiling or a long run of light fittings in a corridor.would connecting L-N be the method to use, with all light switches turned on
@jwflame
@jwflame 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, test between E and LN connected together. It's unrealistic to disconnect all of the light fittings as you would be dismantling most of the circuit.
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 7 жыл бұрын
why not just use this method anyway John,save having to remove bulbs etc
@CrazySparkie63
@CrazySparkie63 7 жыл бұрын
If you need to ask this question then you should not be even be near electrics.
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 7 жыл бұрын
CrazySparkie63 well that's why I asked john the question because I'm trying to understand how and why these tests are carried.no need for smart comments
@nonamesonme1
@nonamesonme1 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is answered a question I've been searching for. Finally I can test my lighting circuits in existing installations to complete my on job :) I appreciate your videos and teachings. Godsent
@raypooley1312
@raypooley1312 5 жыл бұрын
Hello John. Been a while since you posted this but I have a question if you don't mind. Take a look at the first schematic in this link. "The megohmmeter". It shows one lead of the test equipment connected to the copper core of a cable and the other lead connected to the actual cable insulation. When I first saw this I thought: Ok, you're looking to see if there is some kind of current flow through the insulation material. Makes sense right? If there is a current flow then you will notice that in the form of a low resistance across the insualtion material. So, you are actually testing the integrity of the insulation material itself. Then I look at yours and other videos on the subject of insulation testing and they show both leads being conneced to the cable core. Even though the same principles apply as far as testing the integrity of the insulation this first method uses a different approach. Do you have any thoughts on the first approach? When would it be appropriate to take that route for example? When you can't get to the other end of the cable perhaps? Cheers www.ecmweb.com/test-amp-measurement/understanding-insulation-resistance-testing
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 7 жыл бұрын
can a long length of cable, or coiled cable, induct a potentially lethal amount of power to its other conductors or fool the insulaton tester?
@TheChipmunk2008
@TheChipmunk2008 7 жыл бұрын
I've had very long lengths of cable (100m ish of 6mm SWA) take a while to reach its full insulation resistance because of the capacitance. Another thing to be aware of that John didn't mention, is don't disconnect the probes from the wire before the test's complete, or you can leave such long lengths of cable charged to 500vDC... which while it's not dangerous in itself (the stored charge is very small) could make one leap off a ladder or similar when touching it :\
@simonparkinson1053
@simonparkinson1053 7 жыл бұрын
In my field cable lengths can be up to 2km. Such a length of 2-core "half moon" aluminium conductor power cable can hold a massive charge if the tester is disconnected prior to releasing the test button. The insulation resistance can be so high that the charge can even remain the next day. Doing the same with multicore control cables has the potential to damage DC power supplies we use. Although the line voltage is 50V DC, we test at 1000V and if the cable has been left with a charge and is then connected to a circuit, the peak reverse voltage of the rectifier will be exceeded and it will fail short-circuit. The newer power supplies come with 1000V rated rectifiers now, but it has caught a few people out.
@CrazySparkie63
@CrazySparkie63 7 жыл бұрын
yes
@stevegreeny
@stevegreeny 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget shower pumps and showers. Had a Salamander pump only 18 months old tripping an RCD because it was internally leaking. Had a problem claiming it was still in warranty. Salamander registration sucks. As usual one RCD covering 6 circuits including all the lights :(
@richardl1482
@richardl1482 7 жыл бұрын
can you explain the non damage by linking L & N test to earth (9:44) thank you
@ratbag359
@ratbag359 7 жыл бұрын
All devices take their energy from the phase and neutral so applying test voltage between earth and them two allows no current to flow through. only thing that may get damaged is the interference suppression capacitors on switching power supplies.
@richardl1482
@richardl1482 7 жыл бұрын
cheers josh-- appreciated
@TheCodboy19
@TheCodboy19 7 жыл бұрын
So is this how you can get around removing RCD's on a global IR test?
@ratbag359
@ratbag359 7 жыл бұрын
you could but I would prefer to disconnect them.
@TheCodboy19
@TheCodboy19 7 жыл бұрын
So on a 16th/17th ed split board you would basically switch off the RCD and test from the outgoing side of the RCD? So you would have to test the board at both sides,the RCD cover side and then the none RCD covered(16th board) and both RCD covered sides (17th board)? If i've explained that well enough!!
@grandpacocky7618
@grandpacocky7618 7 жыл бұрын
Show us the megger!
@avantgarde70
@avantgarde70 Жыл бұрын
John Ward thanks.
@jalilalmteen536
@jalilalmteen536 4 жыл бұрын
I'm following ur lessons really nice , how can I get the book
@jwflame
@jwflame 4 жыл бұрын
I don't have a book, however there is a website with more info, www.flameport.com/ There are plenty of books on testing written by others available from the usual suppliers.
@Skelton1996
@Skelton1996 Жыл бұрын
I understand 500v across L-N can damage connected loads and give inaccurate results. But how does testing between L-E or N-E cause damage? If there is no potential difference across the loads? If it does would 250v test still give you an appropriate readings and cause no damage? Only an apprentice so asking because this seems to be a great tool for fault finding and sometimes the fault is with the equipment itself.
@jwflame
@jwflame Жыл бұрын
Some equipment has filters which are connected between L-E and N-E. If in doubt test at 250V first which won't damage anything. If clear then test at 500V.
@Skelton1996
@Skelton1996 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply! loving your videos. They’re very informative and contain plenty of knowledge to absorb
@harmeshkumar5836
@harmeshkumar5836 4 жыл бұрын
What shall be the minimum resistance when we apply 500v.do answer plz.
@jwflame
@jwflame 4 жыл бұрын
1.0 Megohm is the minimum required, however you should have values much higher than that particularly for new circuits, which should be 100s of megohms.
@fieldsofomagh
@fieldsofomagh 7 жыл бұрын
There is so many items connected to mains these days and with 500v ,a lot of quick popping can occur. Always best to double check, better safe than sorry.
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