Intel's 12th Gen E-Core Gaming Is Surprising!
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I try to do some gaming on Intel's new E-cores and I was surprised at how well they worked.
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@buggerlugz6753 2 жыл бұрын
E-Cores have been designed by Intel specifically to handle all the bloatware included with Dell PC's.
@chrono393 2 жыл бұрын
Fr tho lol
@Dark.Shingo 2 жыл бұрын
I have no proof but also no doubts.
@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!! They should have called them bloatware cores. 😂
@viztiz316 2 жыл бұрын
Those will probably ship with the CPUs without e cores(i3 12100, i5 12400, etc) lol
@number1salesman-1997 2 жыл бұрын
@@DawidDoesTechStuff b cores
@colddripgaming 2 жыл бұрын
Other KZfaqrs: “I’m going to test the E cores but i’ve got a scientific method for the most accurate testing” Dawid: “IDK zip ties i guess?” Never change, you glorious zip tied bastard
@raven4k998 Жыл бұрын
microcenter the place where nerds dreams come true🤣🤣🤣
@connorphares8157 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like Dawid honestly just does Linode sponsorships because he loves saying Linode....
@masterswords7202 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@dbunik44 2 жыл бұрын
remins me of Jayztwocents Ifixit videos
@marebello1210 2 жыл бұрын
LLLLIIIIIIINNNOOOOOODDDDEEEEE
@connorphares8157 2 жыл бұрын
@@marebello1210 🤣😂
@bedroxzbass4706 2 жыл бұрын
LIN OOOOOODDDE
@DrearierSpider1 2 жыл бұрын
8:10 This is a well known quirk of GTA V's engine, which Gamers Nexus discovered years ago. When you hit a certain fps threshold (187.5 fps IIRC), it causes major stuttering. If you cap the game to 180 fps using RTSS, the P cores will Hulk smash the E cores.
@AllanBorch 2 жыл бұрын
Oh... shit... i never found a solution to that... Thanks man!
@The117th 2 жыл бұрын
This! it makes it a pain in the ass to benchmark properly due to having to limit it
@starnoelle8248 2 жыл бұрын
@@The117th yeah you cant once you break the game from all ur fps
@gavwrecker 2 жыл бұрын
I guess this is why you always benchmark multiple games.
@coccoborg Жыл бұрын
I guess when rockstar originally coded it for the PS3 they never thought people would be trying to run the game at over 180fps 😂
@IcebergTech 2 жыл бұрын
E-core sounds like a genre of music I'm not cool enough to be into
@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 жыл бұрын
Just a bunch of bearded dudes with hats singing in whiny voices. 😂
@CaptainZombeh 2 жыл бұрын
I'd listen to chiptune emo.
@somecuntxxx Жыл бұрын
@@CaptainZombeh shut up right now
@koldan5892 2 жыл бұрын
I think that the gta v 1% being so low is because you were near the engine's maximum fps, if it gets close to them (160+) the game stutters a lot
@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 жыл бұрын
For sure! I was also thinking that while doing the testing. Not sure why I didn't mention it. Thanks for the comment. 😊
@M7xle 2 жыл бұрын
GTA V when you go over the limit engine (188 FPS) it stutters A LOT so you need to lock the fps, that’s why the 1% low was much lower with the P-cores.
@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 жыл бұрын
For sure! That's what I was thinking. I also think that may have been the case with BF V.
@mordacain3293 2 жыл бұрын
Came to say that - basically all of Zen 3 and even the older i7 / i9s can encounter the same issue when the framerate bounces off the engine limit.
@Zhuurgen 2 жыл бұрын
I was really hoping for the legendary 2500k as the grandpa intel cpu, but i guess that the venerable 4690k is getting long in the tooth aswell, great video Dawid!
@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I happen to have the 4690K, but the 2500k would also have been an interesting test. 😊
@chriswright8074 2 жыл бұрын
@@DawidDoesTechStuff e cores are just Skylake
@eclipsegst9419 2 жыл бұрын
@@chriswright8074 well. give or take they have Skylake level IPC. i would like to see the Passmark numbers for 4c4t Gracemont vs 4c4t Skylake at the same frequency.
@annurissimo1082 2 жыл бұрын
People are forgetting that in this case efficient = bad is not true. These E cores are literally i5 6600 cores And you get 4 of them, just like the i5 6600. So you basically get a great, modern, hexa-core processor, and a skylake i5 as an extra.
@tukunstudios 2 жыл бұрын
Este comentario está infravalorado, estoy totalmente de acuerdo xD
@alilokhd4638 10 ай бұрын
Since they lack avx 512 instructions it's gonna be a broadwell cores
@DrearierSpider1 2 жыл бұрын
Performance is surprisingly good, and prices are very reasonable. Microcenter already has the i7 12700K down to $370, which performs very similar to a 5900X. AMD has been lowering prices a bit, but I think they're going to keep them relatively high, as they know there's a huge amount of people already on AM4, thus willing to pay more for Zen 3 CPU's if it means a drop in upgrade over full MOBO replacement.
@buggerlugz6753 2 жыл бұрын
Not exactly great value for money at $370 though, is it? really?
@DrearierSpider1 2 жыл бұрын
@@buggerlugz6753 Even at the most discounted retailer in the US, the 5900X is $470 (again, they perform very similarly). So yes, Alder Lake is currently king in price to performance.
@BonusCrook 2 жыл бұрын
2x16 kits of Ddr5 sell for $2000 on ebay definitely go with D4 motherboards
@jablue4329 2 жыл бұрын
@@buggerlugz6753 Tbh, i7 and R7 have always felt like a dubious value. If you really need a higher core count for real work, why not go i9 or R9? If you just game, why go past i5 or R5?
@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 жыл бұрын
The price wars have begun! I think the biggest problem with this platform is the mobo prices though. Even DDR 4 z690 boards are hella expensive.
@dauoddoesstuff 2 жыл бұрын
I like the look of that cpu cooler, thanks for the funny video Dawid!
@AnnaDoes 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! It's a Cool Deep Cool Cooler XD
@marebello1210 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, I thought it was pronounced "Coorel"? 🤣
@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 жыл бұрын
@@marebello1210 That's what I was thinking. Not sure what this "cooler" is everyone is talking about. 😅
@mstrwil73 2 жыл бұрын
The board has LGA 1200 and 1700 holes drilled in it. Hence the two sets of drill holes on the board.
@mstrwil73 2 жыл бұрын
@NikA he may not have had the 1700 standoffs because the 1200 standoffs are too tall for sufficient pressure.
@LawrenceTimme 2 жыл бұрын
@@mstrwil73 depends on the cooler, my air cooler and ek water block are both fine. Artic aio didn't though
@mino4258 2 жыл бұрын
@@LawrenceTimme My MSI AIO works just fine with the lga1200 hardware since it takes them a month to send out the correct mounting hardware
@LawrenceTimme 2 жыл бұрын
@@mino4258 yes one some coolers the standoffs are too tall so even though it fits the coolers doesn't touch the cpu
@Stevenzao 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Dawid! I'm still impressed at the older i5, it sure held its own against the much more modern e-cores. I'm very curious to see a 2 "gamers" 1 cpu virtualization build with these CPUs, splitting E-cores to one user and P-cores to another. Just throwing it out there Best regards!
@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 жыл бұрын
That sounds really interesting! You can have like a virtualized baby gaming PC running off your chad PC. 😁
@Amerikanskis 2 жыл бұрын
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah im gunna need a hustle on that video Dawid. make the GF play the sims on the baby gaming rig. not for any specific reason I might be interested in just for a completely random example.
@cptwhite 2 жыл бұрын
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I bet an 12700K, with 8 threaded performance cores and 4 efficiency cores could easily handle 2 instances of any game with a 4C/8T P core + 2 E core setup per instance.
@spooky2.043 2 жыл бұрын
@@DawidDoesTechStuff could you split a single gpu’s power between them or would you need to have two gpus with one routing to the virtualised pc?
@bradhaines3142 2 жыл бұрын
@@spooky2.043 windows programs dont split single GPU very well, LTT found that its just easier to get a 2nd GPU but you have watch out for the board. lot of times a 2nd GPU will force both to run x8 instead of 1 x16 and the other x8
@jodiac 2 жыл бұрын
When the cooler part came up I was just so incredibly happy we still got to see some of the great old Dawid Jankiness even despite Dawid pulling out all of the sponsors for this video. This was incredible ¡I’m so glad you got your hands on these fancy things so quickly!
@nooby_pops2672 2 жыл бұрын
hands down funniest most entertaining tech channel, u even make me laugh while doing sponsors!
@TC_here 2 жыл бұрын
This is the exact thing i wanted to see someone test.. and it did go better than i expected. ..
@busterscrugs 2 жыл бұрын
Derbaruer's video shows the 8 e-cores in the 12900k performing as good as a Ryzen 1700x in cinebench! Pretty impressive!
@brucethen 2 жыл бұрын
Me: buys AM4 when it was brand new, hunts high and low to find a cooler that fits. Dawid: gets brand new 12th gen CPU "I'm just going to zip-tie this cooler in place"
@KANATADOMPIZ 2 жыл бұрын
DerBauer did this too. Good video sir
@Tomazack 2 жыл бұрын
I had an old motherboard and cpu without the bracket for the cooler that I was gonna use for a project, so I found some angled aluminium and cut it into a couple of pieces which I drilled wholes in, to use as mounting hardware for a heatpipe chipset cooler I had laying around. zip-tied it all down , zip tied an old 80mm fan to the thing and the temperature was actually decent. Too bad one can't post pictures here (or maybe it's for the best) I'd love to show my work of art to you.
@grari135 2 жыл бұрын
Would have been interesting to see the difference in cpu power draw.
@EmTekTube 2 жыл бұрын
3:28 "What is this for?..." My thoughts exactly with a random strap on your motherboard haha
@extraglutenplz3758 2 жыл бұрын
Microcenter is the absolute chad store for computer hardware.
@kgb3209 2 жыл бұрын
Just a heads up Dawid Asus puts LGA 1200 mounting holes on their Z690 so any LGA 1200 cooler can still work
@Mountain-Man-3000 2 жыл бұрын
That PCIE release button is mankind's greatest achievement.
@Balbazack 2 жыл бұрын
That Lenoooode!!! Entry is so epic!
@mattsparks3546 2 жыл бұрын
I think that velcro that was on the board near the pcie slot was there to help with the gpu sag issues that the RTX 30 series has been having
@joeschmoe5009 2 жыл бұрын
Please keep doing videos like these and not like the other youtubers who are acting like detuning the cpu should p4ovide better results and then being upset when they dont. I genuinely appreciate your content, and fun demeanor
@startedtech 2 жыл бұрын
2:59 I knew that was coming, I recognize the microcenter price sticker from a mile away lol. (And since you don't have a microcenter in Canada)
@06RaiderKing 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the wattage was when just running the "E" cores. That would be something cool to know. Did the power consumption change and how it compares to the old i5.
@Durbanite2010 2 жыл бұрын
Just a thought here which may well end up in the next video but did you try benchmarking those games with the e-cores off and running just the p-cores, to see what the stability was like? That might solve the choppy frame rate issue.
@JohnADoe-pg1qk 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know how time-consuming these tests are, but "just for fun" a test run with only the P-cores would be nice to compare.
@RarestAce 2 жыл бұрын
The E-Cores were impressive but that 4690K with DDR3 was I think the most impressive showing. This is why I love your channel you give us the content we didn't know we needed.
@AnnaDoes 2 жыл бұрын
Little baby cores ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@buggerlugz6753 2 жыл бұрын
Was that a "we need that family discussion Dawid" comment? :)
@AnnaDoes 2 жыл бұрын
@@buggerlugz6753 hahaha lil baby cores are the only babies on my mind 😆
@samljer 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure i read somewhere a 12th gen E core would be equivalent to like a 6th gen core for performance. So 8P4E is like having a 8 Core 16thread CPU, and a 6700K added in (with no HT)
@roamintheslums4851 2 жыл бұрын
I had an i5 4690k before upgrading to a 10400F. Major difference in gaming. That i5 was awesome. Held up great.
@eclipsegst9419 2 жыл бұрын
yep. my wife still has one. I think ill give her my 3300x and nab up a 12500 when they release. I'm done with unlocked chips when they have such little headroom nowdays.
@roamintheslums4851 2 жыл бұрын
@@eclipsegst9419 Glad to hear someone else is rocking one! As for the unlocked chips the asrock z590 phantom does boost the 10400F. Can't remember what mine pushes but I think it is around 3.9-4.1GHz. Im gonna wait a few years before upgrading, as I recently did this upgrade and hate to shell out $ for new mobo and ram.
@eclipsegst9419 2 жыл бұрын
@@roamintheslums4851 yeah that's the thing. If leaks are correct 12500 should have stock boost of 4.6 and that's what I ran my 2500K and that 4690K at back when they were in my rig. So if I can enable XMP on a B or H board and possibly get a hair extra boost to boot, I really don't feel the need to spend extra on a 12600K and Z490.
@roamintheslums4851 2 жыл бұрын
@@eclipsegst9419 I'm more than comfortable with my setup... for once. I neither feel the need to upgrade for years to come. I don't rely too heavily on overclocking. Makes me uncomfortable lol. I rock a 1080 ftw 2 with the 10400.
@IsaardP 2 жыл бұрын
Ooooo that RAM kit is something else, so much fancy.
@viztiz316 2 жыл бұрын
The board has mounting system for LGA 1200
@romevang 2 жыл бұрын
Its been stipulated that the E cores on those CPUs you have tend to have similar performance to the 6th gen skylake cores. Also, always fun to see more people discover process lasso. =)
@St4rtPl4yer 2 жыл бұрын
It would have been interesting to compare it to a DDR4 i5 7400 as they have similar turbo frequencies (E-core) although maybe the result does not change
@brarautorepairs 2 жыл бұрын
I like how Linode can handle any size load you throw at it.
@Dfm253 2 жыл бұрын
Try enabling only the p-cores to see if it helps the frame pacing especially if your in windows 10
@giserson2 2 жыл бұрын
This gets me hyped for a potential E-core only laptop/mini PC with 6 or 8 E-cores, as it would draw very little power while performing much like a lower clocked version of a skylake CPU with the same core and thread count. Just imagine if they did a new computestick with 6-8 E-cores and some half decent Xe graphics.
@gumikacsa526 2 жыл бұрын
On Wikipedia it's actually disclosed that the Gracemont E-cores have Skylake level performance, so I'd have tried it with a i5-6400 instead
@chris.mc3b 2 жыл бұрын
at 5:41 you said that it stutters that might be due to dx 12 could u explain ? i was going to get this cpu but ive never had issues with dx 12
@keeperofthegood 2 жыл бұрын
Oh whoa, an Intel CPU! Blast from the Past: thanks for the memories Dawid!
@theophilusthistler5885 2 жыл бұрын
3:20 Likely acable mgnt strap. Asrock used to use them back in the Ivy Bridge days.
@pu239 2 жыл бұрын
5:58 "There's always seven more than youe expect" lol
@pinecedar180 Жыл бұрын
I think the big thing is, how does the software and hardware handle the different cores? Lots of potential issues in the situation
@micobugija6284 2 жыл бұрын
Half the cooler manufacturers send the mounting hardware free of charge as long as you got a proof of purchace. Noctua usually just asks for a picture of their cooler + cpu + mobo, sometimes not even that
@troi7748 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Dawid, I'm getting a ryzen 5 5600G and a GTX 1060 6GB around next week. How would my system be able to hold up?
@scudsturm1 2 жыл бұрын
i wonder if u can use the e cores for a dedicated streaming machine, afterall u have 2 cpus in theory, a 6 core and a quad core
@alexclark6397 2 жыл бұрын
Dawid was held at gunpoint in order to take that thumbnail photo.
@cliche_AF 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Dawid are you running these tests on windows 10 or 11 ?
@joeschmoe5009 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you showing benchmarks of everything and even a stock benchmark, everyone doing these type of comparisons are disapointed when the e cores dont work like p cores, and provide lower fps. Showing hey you can game like this if you want, but you shouldnt, instead of, wait how is this not working so well with less p cores enabled?!
@Coffeeenjoyer31 2 жыл бұрын
just curious, couldn't you have just switched the cores off via process affinity in the task manager?
@ironreed2654 2 жыл бұрын
Is the Velcro strap just a built in cable tie? And I suppose I rather a cpu that does multi-player well than one that bench marks well, kinda the opposite of volswagen/dieselgate.
@davapod 2 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna wait a couple of years. I have two rigs, a 3700x with 32gb ram and a gtx 1060 6gb gpu. The other a 10850k with a 1080 ti and 64gb ram. The bottle neck for me is purely gpu related.
@abubakarsiddique8389 2 жыл бұрын
Which cooler u use plez mention the name
@HC-Alfred 2 жыл бұрын
Was watching somewhere else for a while, when i heard "strapon" at 3:25
@shadowwsk3507 2 жыл бұрын
The e cores is named to be efficient, but how efficient is the cores? Its sad that you didn't cover that
@Carnemann86 5 ай бұрын
How about temperature when playing with E-cores?
@MandoMTL 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like this video also serves to highlight just how good Devil's Canyon was and still is. Would be interesting to see if the good old 2500k is officially "dead". I'm confident in saying C2Q is for AAA gaming, but I have a hunch overclocked Sandy can still push 30+ @1080p (low) in anything when paired with a proper GPU (780ti-ish).
@87crimson Жыл бұрын
those E cores run circles over my FX 6300. I am happy with my PC but once I upgrade the leap should be massive.
@xtremezone987 2 жыл бұрын
Wait there's Micro Centers in Canada ? or did you have them ship it to you ?
@atomicdoom4381 2 жыл бұрын
what's the name of that cooler?
@bubleman2196 2 жыл бұрын
7:8 Fun fact, you can do that in task manager aswell
@ufoisback5088 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone: we used this chunky AIO to cool 12900K and it beats AMD! Dawid: I zip tied an air cooler to the hottest CPU alive, no problems encountered. Reminds me of the RTX 3080ti review. Keep em coming, Dawid
@legitscoper3259 2 жыл бұрын
By the way, what heatsink was that ?
@legitscoper3259 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yes. I've been waiting for this. Thank you so much Dawid! Like, if there is something janky that hasn't be done by LMG (LTT) you and this other guy "Jays Tech Vault" will absolutely take care of that xD ♡
@2009numan 2 жыл бұрын
that motherboard has oval holes so you can mount a old style lga 1200 cpu cooler Dawid
@martythestines 2 жыл бұрын
You always seem to make the better videos with new product reviews. Well you and DerBaur. You both think outside of the box. I watch Gamers Nexus for the stats and charts, I watch LMG to see if Linus is gonna drop the product and I watch you an DerBaur, to see what interesting things can be done that it was not designed for. Which is also why I only watch one GameTuber, GreyStillPlays. He plays the games like me, by trying to break them with things the devs never thought somebody would try.
@DawidDoesTechStuff 2 жыл бұрын
My thinking is, I can't compete with GN's charts so why even try. 😁 Thanks for the nice comment and watching the channel.
@metrotechguru5863 2 жыл бұрын
Linus will always drop the product, metaphorically if not physically, so why bother?
@eclipsegst9419 2 жыл бұрын
You should also check out Lets Game It Out he is also a legendary PC abuser
@buildyourcomputer 2 жыл бұрын
What's the power per wattage?
@mattparker9726 2 жыл бұрын
Can we get a 10 minute loop of Dawid saying "bebe" and "thiddy"? PLEASE??
@foch3 2 жыл бұрын
I want one of those alder lake promotional die shots.
@BarryTGash 2 жыл бұрын
Next test: how long can you game using E cores on a Jackery vs normal core distribution. You know, for when the inevitable apocalypse comes for tea...
@JohnSmith-kn9yz 11 ай бұрын
3:14 Dawid: It reminds me more of like a Formula motherboard than a Strix The F in ROG Strix Z690-F: bruh
@anothersiguy 2 жыл бұрын
Well with those E cores performing that well perhaps there's still hope for mobile Alder Lake-based parts. The power consumption was making it look dicey.
@iKatOverLord 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely done ✔
@mattyspage 2 жыл бұрын
Eugh I just knew you were going to use my CPU as a reference for slow cores!
@PapaMav 2 жыл бұрын
I watch these just to hear Dawid say "Linode".
@playerofgames7916 5 ай бұрын
5:50 "There is always seven more then you expect" And THAT WHAT SHE SAID! i know you sow it comming😂
@WouterVerbruggen 2 жыл бұрын
Dawid... That motherboard has mounting holes for 115x coolers XD
@brightshadowdenmark 2 жыл бұрын
Are you running Win10 or Win11 ? it might be a factor in the frame times issues ?
@zarent01 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, I was waiting for a video like this. It's pretty impractical and unlikely for anyone to actually game like this but interesting to see the results. I think it's best to test new games considering the E cores should've slightly outperform Sandy Bridge since it's similar to Skylake in performance. Basically, what we're seeing here is how a Pentium Silver + E-GPU would do which is alright but obviously you're better off with an i3 10100F or Ryzen 3 3300X.
@crossleyr 2 жыл бұрын
Asus must be sending that motherboard out to everyone. Greg Salazar used it as well on a build he did this week. He also commented on the PCIe button as well.
@philtkaswahl2124 2 жыл бұрын
Strix: Hella Featured They should use that as an official marketing tag line.
@raeesmalek5206 2 жыл бұрын
What CPU air cooler is that ?
@paulfox4636 2 жыл бұрын
I bet the janitors at Linode use Vileda gloves.
@karma9007 Жыл бұрын
Chad cores damn son,thats another level.
@TheOriginalBruh 2 жыл бұрын
6:50 processor affinity is a setting build into windows which I think does basically the same as process lasso, I think at least 🤷.
@nap8187 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but process lasso lets you set up profiles and automate many things in regards to affinity. It's a nice program.
@TheOriginalBruh 2 жыл бұрын
@@nap8187 ok, didn't know that thanks.
@theb4r138 2 жыл бұрын
This was fun. Can you compare the 8 sad cores on the i9 to zen 1 like the ryzen 1700? That could be fun
@paalpet 2 жыл бұрын
Cool video! Don't think the cores itself is the biggest issue here, BF5 don't like just 4 cores. It runs a lot better on 8 threads. Would be cool to see same test with just E-cores on the 12900K.
@TheGameBench 2 жыл бұрын
As I understand it, the e-cores are equivalent to Skylake 6th gen cores.
@FAGTOS 2 жыл бұрын
8:30 that 1% low problem is the game engine problem in gta 5 when you get more than 170 fps the game is broke and stuttering so bad
@JayBuccola 2 жыл бұрын
I'm loving the 12600k so far. Stays below 60 no matter what i put it through.
@tomferguson9250 2 жыл бұрын
i5 4690K was a solid CPU, I upgraded from that overclocked at 4.5 to a current Ryzen 5800X @ 4.7 about a year ago
@thejollysloth5743 2 жыл бұрын
I'm still sticking with my 9600k overclocked to 5.3ghz. It's incredible. It beats the 9900k, 10600k, and 11600k in many games. None of those CPU's can overclock to 5.3ghz. Maybe I will upgrade to Ryzen 6000 or Intel 13th Gen....see what is better.
@illdoitlater4208 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly with some work I'd be interested in high Ecore cpus Like a low power cpu that's like 8 Ecores and 1-2 p cores Wouldn't be great for gaming (who def capable of it) but it would be good for pretty much all average user uses
@jrose-xp6tf 2 жыл бұрын
I've wandered into an Intel-bashing session it seems, Happy Thanksgiving!
@aryantiwari1945 2 жыл бұрын
wait whats the powerusage
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