Good luck!

Blessings to your business in Kenya!

Looking for internship.....hope you may help from Uganda thanks🙏

I was born in Kenya (Kijabe Hospital). Best of luck with your business!

That’s cool. My son is in civil engineering school also. Good luck. Both are cool professions.

Me too! Thanks for sharing.

A good surveyor doesn't make assumptions, asks the RIGHT questions and follows the evidence. It is kind of common sense. Good luck!

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 understood. Thank you!

That's great. My brother and sister-n-law live in McAlester and I have surveyor friends there. My son is in the civil engineering program at OSU. Do you have any helpful advice? He will be starting his third year this fall.

@Lloyd Land Surveying That's awesome! Thank you for sharing. I would recommend that he not go to work for the state or federal government for at least the first 10 years of his career -- those employers will cause him to develop very poor work ethic habits, which will be extremely difficult to overcome. Working for a smaller firm will allow him to get much more experience (CAD, design, reports, business development, filing, documnent production, etc.). Big companies have great systems which are very beneficial to learn, but they typically have an employee assigned to very specific roles, and can box a person into just being good at one or two of things. Starting for a smaller company would be best, and then after several years going to work for a large company is probably the best approach. Other than that, network, build great relationships, never stop learning, and immediately transfer to OU (Boomer!), LOL. I wish you they best. Thanks again.

Awesome. A lot of surveyors are finding the benefits of drone based data. I have a drone program, but have found that I don't like taking the time to process my point clouds and derive contours. I just stick to other type of work that I enjoy more. You should visit with your local surveyors and discuss your future. Maybe your drone could benefit them as you get your experience? God Bless.

Let them know you can do both. Maybe it will work out? In the beginning, I would work in the office and in the field nearly every week. It was nice, but I didn't like that I wouldn't know where I would be until I got to work that day. I appreciate the comment.

Thanks for the comment. My son just started his third year as a civil engineering student. He has worked a lot with me and one week when he was in high school we had a really tough job in a mosquito infested swamp and he asked me how I got the job... I said "the civil engineer told me to go do it". His reply... "I wanna be THAT guy!". I have another civil engineering acquaintance in a neighboring state who also has a surveying license and he told me that in 2021 he made more with his LS stamp than the civil. I dunno. I advised my son to get a dual license also. Do you have any advice for him in the civil field??? Thanks.

That's great! I hope you enjoy it. Please reach out to me if I can encourage you in any way. God Bless.

Anthony, did things work out?

Yes, please share how you liked it thus far?

If the 4x4 will go through the briars then I'm staying on it! Haha. It really does feel good to put in a hard days work and the land owner appreciate the work. Thanks for the comment!

Howdy, neighbor! Thanks for the comment.

Hey Dianne, Thanks for the comment. I often find that people are interested in surveying because so many people know nothing about it and it has been an instrumental service in our countries development! Maybe you can help promote the services of your local surveyors? Thanks!

Thanks for the reply. I wouldn't rule it out. I was 41 when I got my license and it was life changing for the better!

How do you get your license later in life?

Cool. I still enjoy it! Thanks for the comment.

Thanks for the comment! Agreed!

Hey Dane. Thanks for the comment and I'm glad the video was encouraging. My son is currently in his third year of civil engineering. He has done quite a bit of surveying also. They both have their strengths and integrate well. My advice would be to get both licenses and get some experience in both fields. One day, before you know it, you'll be able to have your own business and hire folks to do the engineering office work under your supervision while you enjoy the surveying side of things that the engineering will require. You will also have the freedom to do some engineering from the field, on a fun trip or pretty much anywhere... not just in a cubicle. Good luck!

I appreciate the feedback.

You should check into it. I bet you can take your courses 100% online these days after work. That's the only way I would have been able to do it. Good luck!

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 Thanks! I've been looking heavily into moving to the US, I prefer a red state, and I would love to try Alaska, and I have seen many publications about land survey jobs and the description sounded like my dream job to do, and the pay was nice too! I probably have to do the whole migration thing first (easier said than done but I think I'll just join the US Army for a few years and that'll grant me a green card, long process but one I have to do as my current county has nothing in common with my politics or ethics)

I hope your dream comes true! Thanks for the reply.

Hey Chris, I would reach out to one of your local surveyors and let them know you are interested. A few surveyors are hesitant to train and help license future competition, but a lot of them see the need and are excited to help anyone interested. Also, contact your state board that regulates the surveyors and ask them where to begin. Good luck!

Hey Joe. I won't lie, the math is challenging, BUT since the math required for the exam is specific, you can study a narrower range of example problems and you can also you programmable calculators (check NCEES site) that help. I feel like anyone who wants to prepare can learn the math. It is high level, but it's only a small portion of high level math. You can do it.

That's great! Ask questions and ask for opportunities. Watch your party chief and always try to stay ahead of him after you learn the routines. Ask if there is anything you can do while he has some down time. Good luck!

Haha. Thanks for the comment! Nothing too crazy. I've only seen a gun once. One time a guy was getting very angry because he had placed a new portable building over the line onto his neighbors property without knowing. Well, I set another line pin while he was there watching and cussing. I recognized him and called him by name, which startled him. I reminded him that I had been his youth minister at church for a while years ago. Once he realized who I was, his demeanor instantly changed. Haha. I had invested a lot of hours in him and his dad in the past.

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 I’ve not seen a gun yet thankfully but I’ve had a fair share of not so nice neighbors that’s for sure.

You'll need to find the local surveyors around where you live (or want to live) and go talk to them. Good luck!

Thanks for the feedback. I would contact some of your local surveyors and ask them if you can shadow them or find out more details. It sounds like it could be a fun fit for you?

That is correct. You will work under a licensed surveyor to learn the trade as an apprentice. You can get a LSIT (Land Surveyor in Training) license earlier, but the pay and work experience may not be different. In Oklahoma, there are two paths to be able to apply for a license. The CORE college curriculum + 6 years of experience OR The surveying associates degree + 4 years of experience. Once you meet the requirements, you can file an application and continue to be approved for testing.

I get experience, but what happens if someone isn't given that experience. Someone could get the degree, then get strung along never given that 4-6 years of experience and basically waste all that time on something. This is all nepotism for sure, only the land surveyors family will ever get a chance to do it, he will hire people to work for him probably but they will never get the chance to actually become licensed. It's concerning to me that such an important part of our societal foundation is gatekept to such a degree. Boundaries and knowing boundaries is foundational to the survival of society. If only certain people are allowed to know the pins then people can't properly do what they need to do. This is all a scam/racket.

That is not the case. I have no relation to any other surveyors. You just have to be willing to do the time to get your experience and complete the education requirements at the same time.

It's still not fair. The only way for it to be fair is if licensed surveyors were FORCED to accept every apprentice. If it was a straightforward guaranteed process then it wouldn't be a big deal, get a 2 year degree, 4 years of experience, test, then license. But we all know that's not the case, I bet a lot of these dudes get a degree then never get hired on, or if they do get hired on I bet you fire them after a certain point. Even if you don't fire them I bet you profit massively from their work. This is not fair or American. It's nepotism. There are too many points where someone could get scammed never get a license and waste many years on this.

Haha. It happens.

I was taking CAD classes during college and my instructor asked me if I wanted a part time job at a local surveying business. I asked him 'what's that?'... haha. I started out as a CAD guy, but soon found myself in the field as a rodman along with my CAD duties. When you start surveying, you will end up crossing paths with other surveyors and will work together. They are the ones who help give referrals. Good questions.

Hey Chino. Thanks for your comment. I would check with your local state board about their requirements and talk with the surveyor who is wanting you to work. Let him know your plans. Here in Oklahoma, we had to fill out a form documenting our work experience and give the contact info for the places we had worked and the board called the places of employment and got a work history report of length of employment. Good luck!

Thanks for the comment!

Thank you for watching and for the comment.

That, my friend, would be out of my competency. I'm sorry. Haha.

Well done.

That varies by state. You would need to visit a real estate attorney

Great to hear. Go tell your boss or their boss that you want to move and train in the surveying department. I think ODOT has resources through OSU to help you do school at night online and work during the day. I hope it works out. Also talk to some of your local surveyors.

Great question. It depends on the type of surveying. They are rarely used for boundary or construction staking for obvious reasons, but if you are doing topography work and the conditions are good, they are the go to to generate contours and volumes. A lot of folks are going to the high precision scanners.

@lloydlandsurveying8124 I appreciate your diligent and well informed response. Thank you.

Good question. That will depend on which state you want to be licensed in. You can contact that state's board and ask. Most will require an associates minimum, but it will depend.

Hey Steve. Thanks for reaching out to me. I'm not sure what state you are in, but I would do two things. Look up your states licensing board and get some counsel from them as to the requirements for licensure there as well as reach out to some local surveyors and see about working there to start gaining some required experience. CADD and surveying go hand in hand so it may fit better than you think. Good luck and God Bless.

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 I’m In Tennessee

Thanks for the comment. In my experience, a survey is more than a document. It's not about a drawing, but what the drawing reflects... which is field measurements. If you have access to the document you mentioned, you can probably read the certification and get the idea. People don't pay for the document, but for the professional knowledge and expertise that the document reflects. There is a story of a man who questioned the cost of his survey to George Washington, who was the surveyor. He wanted the invoice to be itemized and justified. Mr. Washington explained that the cost of the stakes and flagging was a fraction of the bill, but knowing where to put the stakes was 95% of the cost. If you like the design/drafting side, there are nice jobs out there for CAD drafting and planning. Hope this helps.

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 As I read your comment, I just accepted a position at a civil engineering/land survey consulting company. Thank you for the wisdom, I will keep it with me when I’m beginning this new path!

@@winscuntson4530 That's exciting! Be inquisitive without being annoying... haha. Soak it in. Write yourself notes to remember things. Hopefully the company has a healthy view of training and teaching. Let them know what you are interested in. Good luck and God Bless.

My father became liscened after pure experience, some of the guys with college degrees he knew had to re take their tests and he passed the first time. You have to be able to deal with unpredictable conditions while figuring out on the spot how to get the job done sometimes, you need improvisation skills. It's not just a set of rules like most jobs. Best of luck.

Most of the licensed surveyors in my area are over 55, so I would say you could jump right in. I was 41 when I got my license, so you could be there by then. I would reach out to some surveyors in the area you want to live and visit with them about it. Good luck!

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 Thanks so much man

I would check in with the state board for where you want to live and work. They are friendly to answer questions. Each state may vary on the experience requirements and what qualifies. I think you might enjoy it! Good luck and thank you for your service to our great country!

It depends on what aspect of the field you will be working. If you want to be licensed, you will have to have the college surveying math courses. If you are doing research and drafting, you should be comfortable with trig and ratios. If you are working in the field crew, basic math is good since it deals mostly with finding monuments and identifying evidence. Hope this helps.

That's great! You need to reach out to your states society of land surveyors and get a membership. It should not be expensive and you can find them online. Let them help you with the best route for the education in your area. Hopefully you can get the required college courses online and be able to start working for one of your local surveyors to get your experience. Good luck!

And advice

Watch carefully, ask good questions and take notes. Video or take photos if you need help remembering things. Show up early and don't sit around. Try to anticipate your party chiefs next move and help save him time. Good luck!

Understanding ratios and geometry are my most used daily math skills. There are harder calculations but we have tools to help. While preparing to take the surveying exams, all you get is your calculator so you must know the calculations manually, but CAD is the tool of choice for checking relative angles and distances each day. Great question.

You should know trigonometry

all the maths is done for you, the hardest part about surveying is probably processing a job

I'm not familiar with your area but I would definitely reach out to surveyors near where you want to work and just ask them. I bet they are down to earth and would help. More than likely you will need some surveying specific courses in addition to the education you have already obtained. Good luck!

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 Thank you!

Find a Rodman position and work it like your boss is Yahweh for at least 6-9 months until you can spot a loose screw from 660. After that you'll be able to groom your own Rodman and move on with life.

Thanks. We hope to be able to get him some variety of experience and open his own business some day like I did. There is nothing like working for yourself if you have the drive.

For sure. That is one reason I'm looking into LS. My field of Civil Engineering in Roadway Design, it is tough to open a business. my goal is to be my own boss one day. @@lloydlandsurveying8124

Hey Kyle. That's a good question. I haven't thought about this. While there is a "ton to learn in addition to getting experience", the book information just may not make sense or even be useful without doing the work of surveying. The work experience and knowledge are symbiotic in nature. For example, there are a lot of good books on survey law, which helps you decide on how to conduct your field operations and analyze your evidence data you have collected in the field, but it is also dependent on the data. There is not really a good education supplement for experience in the profession. There are not any books I can think of that just simply talk about surveying procedures you will learn in the field. How to "Survey stuff". Stuff like construction staking and how it's done. There is no book about it or manual. It's a combination of basic surveying techniques that are applied in a specific way for that task. The techniques are using the equipment per their instructions and knowledge of how to use it correctly. Hmmm. This is a great question. Sorry I'm really answering your question. I'm afraid these book recommendations are not going to fulfill what you are looking for. You will have no use for this information without practicing land surveying. Some of the books in my library are: BLM Manual for Surveying Instruction, Forensic Procedures for Boundary & Title Investigation - Donald Wilson, Easements Relating to Land Surveying & Title Examination - Donald Wilson, Boundaries & Landmarks - A.C. Mulford, The Pincushion Effect - Jeffery N. Lucas Talk to some of your local surveyors about it. Good luck!

I’m my state (& likely others) it has to be 6 years of survey related experience. Field work, drafting, research, etc. Good question.

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 thanks for responding

Sorry, I missed this comment. I am a member of the Choctaw Nation Native Tribe here in Oklahoma and they helped me financially with my college courses back then. OSU-OKC is the best in Oklahoma because you can take the courses online while you are also working. You should contact the State Board for info and directions on what you need to take. www.ok.gov/pels/ They will get a copy of your college transcript if you have one. They will then give you steps to take on the path to licensure. If you don't care about the license, you can start working in surveying next week. Hope this helps.

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Great question! There are many aspects to "land surveying". While the big picture is to be able to locate a specified point on the surface of the earth, one can survey roadways, pipelines, property boundaries, etc. I will answer your question in relation to residential property boundaries. Getting started, you can be expected to learn how to care and maintain your tools (including the surveying units). You will most like be out treasure hunting for evidence of surveys using a metal detector and likely machete to clear the search area when needed. Driving rebar and wood stakes with hammers. Don't forget the bug spray and sunscreen! I enjoy the field work. You should learn to stay ahead of your party chief (the guy in charge of your crew) and anticipate what's coming next. Ask questions and soak it in! Good luck!

I do most of the time. I like the type of work where it is mostly just me and nature. It's great. I do enjoy collaborating with others when it's necessary.

Well, I was licensed when I was 41 and it was life changing and have NO regrets. But I like surveying and started in the field when I was young. I would just do an evaluation to see if you are the type of person who likes outdoor work even when conditions are not that great and who is able to accumulate your needed experience for the pay that your local guys offer. Since I started at 20 or 21, the pay was about what I would have made elsewhere, so I stuck around cause I enjoyed the work. Before I knew it I had my required experience. It would be hard for me to start my experience now because I couldn’t sustain my current standard of living on the wages of a entry level survey career. If you have another source of income to supplement your survey income AND you really like the profession, I wouldn’t worry about it and go for it, but that’s something to evaluate. Call and ask some local guys what they pay for entry level field crew guys. Then talk to your family and see if it makes sense.

Hey, Kevin. The profession is really a good balance of both technical knowledge (school) and experience (field work). I feel that Oklahoma requires such a lengthy experience requirement because the purpose of boundary surveying is to retrace and be faithful to the original surveys. This just takes time to acquire the skills. I do think there are benefits to having a surveying degree or something like drafting to help. Most rodman aren't aspiring to become a licensed surveyor. As far as I know, the business owners (who are usually surveyors) love the profession and are eager to help move people along toward their licensure. Hope this helps.

@@jasonlloyd7142 Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. I'm planning on becoming a licensed surveyor in Illinois and I'm going to get a BS in construction management!

@@Bigkev20888 there are valuable fundamentals to be learned in every position along the totem pole. The longer you spend as a Rodman, the better off you’ll be when you get promoted to Instrument man. Solid foundation is key. Ironically, in many instances, as a Crew Chief you will commonly act as Rodman once again, whether due to limited crew members, or training a new employee. All the while, you are still passing along tips to your I-man, staying a step or two ahead in planning the job, etc. The job description is essentially endless, but my point is to convey the importance of not trying to rush through the “bottom positions”. A truly efficient Rodman can make all the difference in the world on a crew. An experienced Crew Chief knows not to take good help for granted. I’ve been a CADD Tech for a little over 3 years now. Before that, I was a crew chief for 9 years. Before that, I-man for 2 years. Finally, Rodman for 1.5 years.

I started put as a rodman. Didnt know hardly a thing about surveying, fell in love with it, and worked by butt off to make it to iman after about a year and a half. Still love it and would really like to be licensed one day. But ive heard the requirements and college education to become licenced are grueling. Here in florida atleast.

@@TrevorLahey3 You are correct! The field procedures are vital to success. Good solid workflow without shortcuts is essential. The more each crew member knows about the other persons responsibilities the better the team.

It sure is! I hope you have a party chief who is a teacher. Be inquisitive and learn why you do what you do and always be open to try other responsibilities in the field.

Actually one of my former employers happened to be female. More and more women are getting licensed each year. The equipment available today really helps minimize the physical labor and the profession is more and more about good field research and data management, which women are often better at. Thanks.

Some jobs require certain experience before you qualify to be hired. You do not need any prior surveying experience to begin a career in surveying, BUT you will be required to have several years of experience before you can apply to get your own license. There is a difference between working on a survey crew and being a licensed surveyor. Hope this clears it up.

I'm not sure I understand your question? Surveying is it's own stand alone profession, but is complimentary to those other things you listed. They aren't under any of them.

The main math knowledge required is coordinate geometry, trigonometry and geometry. The NCEES is a US national test facilitator and the tests are the same type nationwide. There are good resources to help pass the exams, but you will need to more than likely pass the college level math courses first. Good luck!

Hey Carlo, I'm not sure what all a DCvET entails, but land surveying is a good fit if you like the outdoors and technology. I would reach out to some surveyors local to you and ask about part time or shadowing for a little bit to see what it's like. Even if you volunteer for a week, you'll get the gist. Hope this helps!

Those are issues well above my pay grade! Haha. I wouldn't even know where to send you. Maybe contact www.nsps.us.com/ as I bet they have international programs. Good luck!

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 You would be surprised how much a surveyor earns in Argentina. This is the reason why I am researching job opportunities abroad. Anyway thank you very much.

Many are common to other occupations, i.e. weather and terrain conditions. Some may consider the annual continuing education requirements and fees as a downside but I do not. Most of the negative thoughts I have about my profession are just tough days due to the afore mentioned conditions.

Good question. Thanks.

In Oklahoma, they will not consider anyone for licensure without having 6 years of experience in surveying. You start out working under/for a licensed surveyor as you learn all about it and get the experience needed to apply for your license. For instance, I started working for a surveyor as a draftsman. It turned into a mix of drafting and field work. I did this for way more than the required 6 years. The Board wants applicants to be comfortable working with documents and with field evidence. You cannot own your own firm without your own license. Hope this helps.

You can own your firm without being licensed as long as you have a RPLS working for you stamping everything

@@derickhiers6707 lolzz you’re so right especially here in nigeria.

I have not done any pipeline surveys, but the procedures should be the same. Boundary surveying is the recovery and monumentation of boundary corners for individual tracts of land. I like it because each project is a treasure hunt for old evidence. Thanks for the comment.

There is online surveying specific courses in my area. Check with your local board where you live to see. Good luck!

Good question. Typically they are looking for boundary surveying experience. Field work experience and property boundary knowledge. I have a mix of office experience (handling deeds, survey data, research experience) plus fieldwork experience (how to find and analyze survey evidence). Hope this helps.

I think surveyors are more interested in knowing that someone is reliable, dependable and teachable more than if they understand the lingo. Good luck.

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 well my current supervisor and all my references will let them know I check all those boxes...was just seeing if I need to know anything before hand..thank you for replying

That would be crazy if it were true. Don't be fooled. The truth is that any stats you find for land surveyor income are only based on what a person makes working for a firm and tracked. There is no statistic of what licensed surveyors make when they work for themselves and have their own business. I would suggest calling some of your local surveyors and ask. Nearly all of the surveyors I know own their practice (as I do) and will pay their UNLICENSED experienced field chiefs around that. The licensed owner will make 3-5 times that much (or more) pretty easily these days if they have good work ethic. Thanks for the comment.

I bet licensed land surveyors make a LOT of money because think about it, they are a necessary scarce middleman. Which then begs the question why would any lands surveyor support future competition???? If I was a licensed land surveyor then every "apprentice" is just future competition in like 4-6 years. So doesn't it make sense for me to string them along get my money out of them then kick them to the curb???? I would rather have my own children become licensed surveyors and not potential competition. This is common sense. This is a racket plain and simple. I know a scam when I see one.

I would simply get a sheet of paper and write PROS and CONS of each to help see the situation clearly. Engineers and Surveyor's cross paths frequently. In my experience, the Engineers ask for the data and the surveyor's collect it for them. It's symbiotic. Either way, with a bachelor' degree you will do fine. Don't settle with a job you don't like, find a career you love to work in. Good luck!

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 Thank you for your opinion. I decided focus on civil engineering. I just rejected their offer, and they offered me site engineer job but with lower salary. I think they really short of land surveyor at this period.

Good question! There exists what is called a "comity" license that you can apply for. Basically, if you are professionally licensed in one state, there may be a way to apply and test for the state specific exam of another state to obtain a license there. Usually the MATH and LAW exams taken through NCEES will not have to be taken for every state, but since each state has its own governing body overseeing the licenses and state surveying standards, you have to prove you know how to survey under that states standards.

...you will need to sit for the jurisdictional exam for this state

At the time I was licensed, the board required the core curriculum as a minimum requirement. I sent my college transcript to them and they let me know which college courses I had to take in order to be licensed. They have a list of surveying specific courses like route surveying, boundary law, etc. I took them through OSU. I’m not sure what the rules are now but I was able to take them in the evening while working.

My surveying specific classes were through OSU-OKC online. I already had the other college requirements.

Thanks for reaching out to me. I'm not sure what that is, but I always encourage people to reach out to their local surveyors.

As far as the boundary surveying I am involved with, your premise may be unfounded. I am specifically referring to "boundary" surveying intentionally. The boundary surveying in most of the USA is actually measured on a 2D "grid". Even the oldest surveys (and it continues today) dealt with the curvature by using projections. There are a handful that have survived and still in use today. You may do some study on that. It is the way we handle the irregular terrain, including curvature. We choose a projection which is a 2D plane slicing across and through a part of the globe and we run our trigonometry and geometry on it. To compensate for earths curvature, when we get our square sections of land large enough, they will eventually overlap on the projection as we move North, so the original surveyors were instructed to start laying out the mile sections and when they came to a previously surveyed line, the error from the curvature was absorbed in the last 1/4 mile. These are correction sections. You may look at that. The short answer to your question is that we account for curvature by working on 2D projections. Hope this helps and Merry Christmas.

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 Hey thanks man, and Merry Christmas to you! I have found out that plane surveys don't take curvature into account, but geodetic surveys do. Looking into that one with great interest. Thanks again!

@@flatearthcomic Even planimetric surveys utilize geodetic data. Good luck!

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 You have been so generous with your time, thank you. I have been digging into Geodetic surveys, but cannot find any practical demonstrations anywhere. Would you send me a link? Then, I promise not to bother you anymore. Thanks so much.

@@flatearthcomic I feel like you may be searching for something that doesn't exist. I believe surveyors compensate, account for and work with curvature through projections. Either I could not be understanding what exactly you are seeking (which is possible) or your understanding needs more education? There has to be a reason why you cannot find a demonstration of what you are seeking... good luck!

There is ALWAYS money in an industry where demand is high and supply is low. GOOD money. Haha.

To become a licensed surveyor you will, but to work as a field technician under a licensed surveyor, you can learn what you need as you train. The field portion of surveying is less math dependent than it is finding and gathering evidence. The licensed surveyor will apply most of the math, it is the field techs who search and collect the data for the office to analyze.

@@lloydlandsurveying8124 Thank you that was so helpful. I got offered this job they didn’t really give me a title for it. $16 for the first 90 days in CA. No experience needed. Waiting in lobby for the interview right now wish me luck.

@@scatpack7172 Just be teachable and show you care about the quality of things you do and they should be able to see it. Good luck!

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You begin by working on payroll for a licensed surveyor. You will learn all of the necessary tasks and procedures and eventually hold roles of responsibility and charge. You will be doing the work but what I mean by 'surveyor' is a licensed surveyor. Hope this helps.