Why Amazon? 😅

Van's!!

Thanks for the update. Keeping us informed speaks volumes about Van”s customer service.

Good luck with that now

I think you miss the bigger picture and significant details on the whole story. First, laser cut parts look the way they do bc they are manufactured differently than punched parts. Usually they don't have the protective plastic, but this isn't necessarily a requirement. All builders were notified of these parts in their kits. It wasn't some secret surprise. Early on, Van's did extensive engineering analysis to determine if these parts were safe. They were found to be perfectly acceptable and they sped up production. Win-win, right? Well, sort of. Builders began working with the parts and *they* (the builders) discovered the issue. But note, the cracks on laser cut parts do not affect every single part. So even if Vans ran 10 full production tests and didn't get any of these impacted parts, nothing would have indicated to Vans that's these parts could crack. But now that there are impacted parts in the inventory, they don't want to just say "we will only replace those posts that have cracked," which would be in their purview to do. They've opted for the most conservatively safe solution which is to just pull back all parts where the parts, after assembly, could lead to larger issues later if left unchecked and unmonitored. The FAA agrees that there's nothing inherently unsafe about these parts, else they would have grounded every assembled plane with these parts in it. So overall, there's nothing inherently wrong with the parts, and not all parts will even crack upon dimpling. It's uncharitable to just say Van's was fully aware, they're immoral, and everything they did was only for profit motives. This change was to help builders get their kits much faster, and it worked! It just didn't work out exactly as they hoped. I feel bad for the Vans company and hope this works out for us and them.

@@cm101490 "It's uncharitable to just say Van's was fully aware, they're immoral, and everything they did was only for profit motives. This change was to help builders get their kits much faster, and it worked! It just didn't work out exactly as they hoped". Nowhere in my post did I say this. You did! Perhaps you had read this based on other comments you read. I remember my kit arriving in big plywood boxes containing unmarked large pieces of aluminum requiring many hours of hand work to make the desired part. My RV-4 has been flying for 34 years after a gestation time of 33 months. I've been a proponent of Van's airplanes since 1989 and sold many a prospective builder on starting their -4 or -6 years ago. My point is this, the laser cut parts from what I've seen on numerous videos simply look rough and unworthy of Van's past quality control. If the present day builder can't see this then build on. Best of luck.

Thats a fair and accurate assessment.

I think this is a laser cut part issue

@@nwanchorcertificationproblem started with a change of primer causing corrosion

so the primer caused the cracks

@@nwanchorcertification no the original problem started with primer causing corrosion then they had to replace parts pressing wasn’t quickly enough then they went to laser cutting and had problems it’s cost them millions

And the hassle and time to replace said parts....back order issues.......

There was some information there, maybe just not what you want to hear. 🤨

Sort of? While we were told that they expected to have more information in mid November, they haven't finished all that they need to do in order to make a full statement and inform people of the way ahead. This is exactly the right message. "We're working, these are some things we've done, but we don't have the full story yet, but we should be done with this assessment next week and can share more." That's a huge statement. Would you rather them just wait to December or after the new year while every builder is sitting by waiting for news?

What are you talking about? He gave several pieces of information. 1. The assignment is almost done 2. They are shipping small orders again 3. They are not shipping freight 4. Update to come on LCP That’s 4 clear things.

@@Mrcaffinebean four times insignificant mega fluffs.

@@tinolino58 It was a one minute video. You can’t fluff anything in 1 minute.

You well know people are going to get screwed... IMO Vans is done, the costs of overhead unsustainable. Bankruptcy is when all efforts to finance fails.

Whose liabilities? If you mean yours for maintenance, fuel, and insurance? It's a small market and not much competition. It sucks for everyone 😢 If you mean for the company getting sued after a crash, these experimental kits cut back on Van's direct legal liability quite a bit.

@@cm101490 I mean if you attach the word airplane to a part it multiplies the price by a hundred . LoL 😂 because of the liability MFAA Make flying affordable again

sar·cas·tic /särˈkastik/adjective marked by or given to using irony in order to mock or convey contempt. "sarcastic comments on their failures" 😟

@pwffstube Nice backhanded compliment combined with sarcasm, along with a bit of dishonesty. Nobody at Van's admitted they know nothing about basic metallurgy, and I'm certain that's not the case. Knowing which parts can successfully be laser cut and then pressed or bent isn't "info that's readily available", there are just too many variables. That being said, they certainly should have done more testing on the laser cut parts, and having customer complaints about parts cracking should have set off warning bells and triggered an immediate audit of the parts and process. In the end, Van's has been a great company for decades and I'm proud to own an RV-8A. I think their biggest downfall is how incredibly reasonably priced everything they make is...I was floored that the bare sheet metal instrument panel for my plane is $37! It would have been reasonable at 2-3 times that price. Anyway, I'm sure they'll right their wrongs and get back on track.