And now the belt is holding up so well that they pushed the service interval out to 200k miles. And putting the belt at the back of the engine turned out to be intelligent. Comparing labor hours to replace the belt on the 3.0 Duramax, its less than the labor hours to replace the oil pump belt on F-150 2.7 Ecoboosts and 5.0 Coyotes, which are at the front of the engine. Nobody thinks about all the stuff you have to remove to get to a belt on the front of the engine. Even just to get the timing chain cover off requires moving a sht ton of stuff.

I have a 2019 f150 3.0L powerstroke, bought it from the east coast (I live in AZ). I think I have a exhaust manifold leak at 40k miles... that's going to be like $1100 fix...

@@silv3rbl4d3s1 should still be in warranty

Your welcome and thanks!

Thanks for commenting - you are very correct.

Honda has had design life of 300,000 for the k24a 2.4 gasser and they are ready to junk at 315,000. Just saying from experience. This 3.0 diesel will be junk at 200k

Who cares what you hate. Takes all credibility away from what followed next.

*with maintenance

The Ford/International 7.3 was a good build overall. Still see MANY in service with contractors and municipalities. I know guys with 500k miles on them and still going.

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I disagree; I feel she did a bang up job of explaining the motor and seemed very confident to me. I'd hire her in a heatbeat.

It was probably just a long day and she was trying to remember everything to bring up. God knows I couldn't do that crap.

stickloaf that's good to know. I will trade in at 149,999

Thanks for commenting. The design life of a vehicle is the period of time during which the vehicle is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, it’s the length of time between placement into service and when it starts to wear out - not it’s expected death :)

stickloaf that is not the mileage of when the motor will be worn out it's just the suggested time when you should start thinking about having it checked and serviced

4WD Magazine what made ford put a timing belt instead of a timing chain ? And whats the life of that belt ?

@@duvielhernandez2887 as a ford owner that has no source of transportation due to a 2012 f150 3.5l ecoboost with a stretched timing chain , i fully support ford with making newer engines with timing belts, that way its cheaper and timing belts always need to be changed. timing chains were made so that you dont need to change a timing belt. but ford could never get their engines engineered to have a good timing chain system. belt life is 60-90k miles. im 20 yrs old full time college and work with 2 kids and i have no source of transportation and i cannot afford to repair my vehicle so i am using a beater car with a transmission that slips and barley works... thanks ford...

All light duty truck engines are rated the same as this engine. It doesn't mean the engine is shot at 150k miles. The engineer of the 3.0 Duramax stated the same design life. It's the standard for passenger cars and light duty trucks. Even the 5.7 from Toyota has the same design life of 150k miles, Toyota just doesn't make a point of publicly stating that.

Yes

I really liked it.

It doesn't have the throaty roar of a V8 with a performance muffler but it drives great - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pttiirSGs7jVkqs.html

They said spring 2018 - soon?!

You bring bring up a cool notion. What if you could pick any vehicle and then choose any engine?

Definitely needed for mpg in expedition. Maybe a bit of a excursion come back?

Gotta run them hard for them to keep workin… I owned 5 VW TDI’s loved them all and loved what VW paid me to buy them back. Then I waited it out for a bit and bought one Golf Sportwagon back. Gotta have at least one efficient box on wheels in the fleet

Vgt has been on diesels since 03. Ford does a sweep on the vanes after its shut down now. To keep the vanes clean.

No, the crankshaft has been redesigned, reinforced

If you've seen any videos fro chevy and dodge, they say the same thing. They're saying that in ideal conditions, no major repair work should be needed until 150,000 miles and so on.

Agree. Mine sits with over 400k miles

Modern synthetic oils and filtration systems are up to the task, the 10 micron dual filter systems allow for 25,000 mile changes

@@Jetryder223 if that is true, then why are Ford ecoboost engines stretching timing chains and getting really bad sludge by 100k when customers change oil at 6k-8k? If they change at 3-4k then it is fine. I see so many people say synthetics you can go 10k, but I see so many engines destroyed early from lack of oil changes, or changing at 5 or 6k.

@@galatians5155 because thats a gas engine, diesels dont have spark, burns cleaner

@@joeygallegos3503 haha, there is so much wrong with that. First it isn't because of spart that the oil is better on diesels so you can do longer intervals, it's because gas is a solvent and diesel is more of a lubricant. And diesels have just as much a problem with timing chains, it's just that they are built stronger to handle the extra torque, so you don't have to replace them quite as much. And diesels don't burn cleaner, they have just as bad, if not worse emissions then gas engines.

Casey Cotton anyone that questions the 150,000 service est, is retarded, doesn't know what a wrench is and should stay away from the engine bay.

While I see your position, I'm calling to attention what other have already commented on. From an initial impression, you wouldn't want to ever tie a finite number of miles to an engine's 'life'. As for working on engines, I anticipate over 80% of people who would own an F150 with this engine in it would work on it, not even factoring in how complicated new diesel engines are when it comes to an actual repair vs. regular maintenance.

You're right. As I've relied before - The design life of a vehicle is the period of time during which the vehicle is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, it’s the length of time between placement into service and when it starts to wear out - not it’s expected death :)

Agreed. We all know the engine will go much further, but I'm just looking at the comments and realized no one else read into as much we do. When Ford did its test with the 3.5L EcoBoost in 2011, they did an engine tear down at 150,000 miles. I gather 150,000 miles is their service life for that engine too. They never once said 'service life of 150,000 miles though'. Anytime you say engine, life and a number of miles, you will worry prospective buyers.

Yeah just wait until people find out that Toyota gives the 5.7 V8 a "design life" of 150k too. It's the industry standard for all passenger car and light duty truck engines.

The 6.7 F350 is a real workhorse of a truck.

Why would you compare a 6.7 to a 3.0? Those are VERY different engines for different applications learn how to compare something right

Supercharge and tune problem solved.

I think she was trying to say that they didn't pull this engine from a euro truck, nor is it just a mini version of the existing Powerstroke.

@baetaeF8 I'm hoping they drop it into the new Ford Ranger.

@@4WDMagazine this is the ford lion engine, developed between ford Europe and peugot/Citroen PSA back in the mid 2000s. It has been continually reworked and updated and has been offered in various V6 and V8 configurations and various displacements. The latest developments have been pulled away from use in European ford / peugot models and land rover models and instead for bringing into the F150 / North American market for light duty pickups. This is why it has timing belts, as opposed to chains. Minimal changes (and this minimal expense) etc. Normally you'd see timing chains for an engine designed for north American truck market as that's what customers expect here for durability. I suspect that they cut corners so to speak to really test the waters and see if the interest really turns into sales. I suspect if it does, the next version of the 3.0 power stroke V6 will be a Cleansheet Design with much more in common with the 6.7 scorpion tdv8. Hopefully we see that with the next generation F series (and not this upcoming facelift).

Eventually it will be like the Chevy Duramax. 2.8&3.0 and now the 3.0 is in the Tahoe’s and other models. Obviously 2.8 in the Colorado’s.

Gemini Dakota 150k I believe. It’s confusing why Ford releases design life to the general public. It’s a catch twenty two, On one hand Ford can say well it’s got 180k so that’s great. On the other Ford can say well the engine has 160k you need a new one. Please pay us 10k.

We haven't had an Eco-joke make it over 100k. lol It's called Planned Obsolescence. All Manufacturers practice it.

House of Diesel many many 3.5 ecoboosts have returned great mpgs and also made it beyond 150,000 miles with little mechanical trouble. The Ecolab company just bought 256 more '18 f150's to replace their aging 14's with 3.5's. They went with mostly 2.7's this time because of the extra couple extra mpgs but a lot of their roughly used 14's w/ 3.5 EB had 120-160k on them. Sure, some owners (I'm one of them actually) have had trouble with their ecoboosts but Don't lump them all into one generalized basket.

150,000 is the industry standard. All the manufacturers go by that, except for maybe Rolls Royce and shit like that.

AZIAN TRUCKMAN What else would it be? Only the Cummins still uses the cp3.

@@erikkovacs3097 by the way Fiat uses the almost indestructible CP1 to this day

poppacapinya -- and don't let the truck use its auto stop/start - that will add life to the engine as well

I'd say that turbos gonna go before anything else. I mean that's what I'd expect

Yes. Working on it. 2018 with 436,000 miles no major repairs.

@@carlosjimenez630 Hu??😵😱😱😱😳😳😳

Cory Coulter only because they drove it like idiots and overreved it for to long You never push any engine that close to redline for that long

that was pre production tryck that had issues. go back and watch the redo with the production truck

The design life of a vehicle is the period of time during which the vehicle is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, it’s the length of time between placement into service and when it starts to wear out - not it’s expected death :)

I was wondering the same thing.......

4WD Magazine and Whats the design life of the 6.7?

250 on 6.7....150 normal on f150s ...it’s just a parts ware target...should go much farther with good maintenance...

4WD Magazine thank you for clarifying that.

I think they mean odds are good it will go that far before a major service.

Then TFL Truck needs a heavier foot because I had no problem.

I take tfl expertise with a grain of diesel. Their numbers and tactics are not always up to spec

They weren't using the accelerator. The transmission downshifted too far during engine braking and the engine hit the redline at which point it went into limp mode. It happened both times they tried.

Erik Kovacs tfl truck fails to understand what engine breaking is for, and their test is designed to cause the engine to fail. Failsafe kicked in, to prevent damage to the engine.

the single trucker The engine didn't fail. It over revved and reset after 10 min. Engine braking is not very good on a diesel because it has no throttle. Other makes use the variavle vane turbo for engine braking but Ford doesn't for some reason.

She knows the pamphlet she was given to memorize...

Maybe he's familiar with the 5.4 3v and 3.5.

I would like to see a 4.0L.

I also hardly ever see any Nissan Titans anywhere, despite being very nice looking and nicely equipped trucks. The F-150s on the other hand, I see EVERYWHERE every day. There must be a reason for that.

500cc per cylinder is apparently the most efficient size. They went with efficiency here not monstrous horsepower. Chevy and Ram went this route as well.

Michael Chan just like morons you see them everywhere too. ;)

Michael Chan But in all reality Ford trucks have been made since 1917. Nissian only started making trucks back in 1999. There is no way that the titan can get a good name yet. Unlike the F150, Ram & Silverado which have the masses at their beck and call. Hell even the Cheap ass Garbage that Toyota makes is starting to catch a name. Only took them 81 years.

not sure what she means by that. is she saying injectors will need to be changed and throttle body cleaned and it will keep going?

@@bazza2540 belt change interval

I believe they worked so hard on the noise to get folks who would normally buy a gas engine to look at the new diesel.

@@4WDMagazine why would anyone even consider this engine when it's a 4,000 dollar option that is less powerful than the 1,600 dollar 3.5L Ecoboost? I'm a diesel guy and I wouldn't buy this engine.

Nate Hawkins 150k is only when it needs to be serviced not worn out

Jondavid Bristow um What service would it "need" at 150? That's not service its engineering goal mark.

Nate Hawkins timing belt and injector cleaning is what my dealer told me

Jondavid Bristow Never heard of any way that service would "clean" injectors...not sure if that dude knows what he means by that. So many salesmen have no idea what they're selling today.

Nate Hawkins I have a buddy that owns a diesel shop and he has a machine that will pressure clean the injectors

Slice OfLife i get pissed evertime I don't make 26 mpg in my 17 3.5l tt when I tow 4k lbs plus junk in the bed and back seat. Burns me alive. Then again, I read the fine print that says 26 mpg under ideal conditions.

Diesels nowadays don't have that much more maintenance costs. Fuel savings offset any extra maintenance like DEF or more expensive oil. An apples to apples comparison of the crew cab 4x4's shows that the diesel blows away the ecoboost's mpg especially while towing where the gap widens to about 50%.

It's too bad all manufacturers promote the mpg on a trim that hardly anyone buys. It's like 2wd 2door only exist for the marketing mpg.

That's where the diesel shines. It will save big while towing.

4WD Magazine In hindsight this is obvious. When was the last time you saw a gasoline class 8 truck? 1965? In the late 60's early 70's the trucking industry shifted to diesel almost completely and it wasn't because of torque (steam engines have more torque) but fuel efficiency. Fuel is the number one cost to the transportation industry.

Thanks for commenting.

Timing belt change interval is 150,000 miles.

Is it an interference engine? Imagine that belt popping and the bill afterwards.

Neo Craft no different than a chain breaking or a gear breaking. Keep up on maintenance and it’s a non issue.

@@4thedirtbikemaniac4 what do you think will last longer? a rubber belt, or a metal gear? better question, why don't bigger engines like Ford's 6.7L diesel use belts and yet this one does?

They have designed and tested it so that normally you wouldn’t have to touch a bolt in that engine besides regular oil and filters etc. And then, what it needs is a timing belt.

The design life of a vehicle is the period of time during which the vehicle is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, it’s the length of time between placement into service and when it starts to wear out - not it’s expected death :)

Read and learn before you make yourself look stupid now shut that fat moff boi

No no no, happily married and in lust with my wife.

We like to talk about North American vs Japanese vs German, but these are all international companies now.

British

Ford engineered and builds this engine for LandRover/Jaguar. They modified it for heavier work in the F150. Ford supplies LandRover/Jaguar with there version of this engine.

Guess what ford says the expected service life of the 5.0 is? 150,000 miles. They don’t mean it’s how long it will last it means that’s when they should be serviced. All manufacturers put similar numbers and mileages of life on their engines to include the coyote, 6.7 etc etc. just FYI :)