Well, i could see that "solving the problem" is the hard part, once the problem is no longer hard then you just have to type the logic out. There are plenty of people where using arrays are hard, but once you know how arrays work it's trivial.

It becomes irrelevant since you know you can build anything with what you currently use anyway. Once you know the tool well, then you know that everything is yet another permutation of abstraction on the same base JS language. If I need to write a complex UI in plain JS, then I can happily do that as well, I used to output thousands of lines of that thing.

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IDK man it looks like a very big iceberg

aka "skill issues" :D

Me one month ago: *receives project plan to migrate prod DBs back on-prem 14 months after cloud migration*

No wonder websites and browser caches are bloated if you need over 1 MB for each website. For a lot of projects and sites you could fit well within 1 MB with both backend, frontend and all styling.

​@@jan.tichavskyreal

If you want to do that, then you raw dawg some plain JS. I used to write thousands of line of that thing and it was still tiny. Or at most react with no other dependencies, those can be painful.

@@jan.tichavsky what is runtime?

@@Leonhart_93 You know whats most infuriating? It's when you see something like jQuery or something being used to do the most trivial s**t ever, and the only reason it's used is because a) it was the first thing that came up on Google and b) the person has little clue about Vanilla JS and the DOM... It's a new version of Cargo cult programming, but now instead of including something that does nothing, you include something for every little piece of work that needs to be done.

Or yaml lol

@@blackace72 Or toml. I use Rust now btw. 😉

Rofl

haha!

or .plist

didn't know the mad villain was in chat ✊

@@jameslund6781 RIP DOOM and dont forget ALL CAPS when you spell the man name

I push before I save.

ah yes the P&P (pen and paper) stack

​@@nikolaygruychev2504flexing the PP stack on these hoes

Just use Trello?

@@georgehelyar I needed something portable that did not rely upon my phone. Trello would not work.

But what if you want to view the paper at your pc and on your phone at the same time?

T3 > T4

It’s time for the T5 stack Theolo

@@LaughableTundra T5 launching in T minus 5, 4, 3, ...

Sounds... unbiased

T3-3 stack. The extra 3 is for Summer.js, Spring.js, and Autumn.js. Who needs Winter.js? 🤢🤮

an afternoon well spent

it's all real 😢

So, sincerely asking what's the solution? Switch to Go ?

@@mazharansari7813 concrete answers always require context. but typescript exists, and is almost always preferable to raw JS.

@@mazharansari7813 Rust and compile to webassembly. :)

@@blarghblargh Typescript isn't a replacement for JS it's just an overlay for type checking lol

@@mazharansari7813 the solution is to never listen to webdevs, they're compromised

Ligma is the best!

ligma what ?

It would never work, somebody would fork their sugma.js from it in the space of a week

Job Requires: 10+ years of ligma.js and vanilla ligma.js

Pronounced "ligma jiss"

This lmao

Who said anything about frontend here? lol

If you use any npm package over a week old you get a million CVEs reported though. If you use the new ones the vulnerabilities still exist but they haven't had time to get reported yet so you can make snyk stfu for a few minutes.

@@georgehelyar I was talking about frontend JS, the framework craze is about frontend. And there aren't significant security concerns when designing an UI, all of that depends on the requests themselves which can be a completely separate matter. For frontend I like to go as pure as possible, the more bloat you add, the more that bundle size increases needlessly.

​@@Leonhart_93my comment was mostly a joke, but actually if you use a security scanner like snyk, the number of CVEs you get in modern frontend is insane, because a hello world app is hundreds/thousands of packages. The joke was that it's basically impossible to get rid of them all but if you keep updating you can keep ahead of the scanner. Or just use jQuery or vanilla JS (or wasm)

That's exactly a problem with an open source environment where everyone thinks "I can do better", instead of consolidating.

@@Leonhart_93 Yes /kinda e.g the npm has nobody who really looks and kicks out trivial implementation and then every one reference this implementation and then in the next iteration everyone creates their own packet manger which makes dependency hell worse. Its just so since roughly around 2008 web development is a buzzword and marketing circus unlike any other software development . Web development had since then the tone of that some devs want to cave out their own space in it with tools , frameworks and so on Open source make this very easy . Why they doing this ? Because a LAMP stack even a highschooler can use and would be for more then 90% of the internet good enough. Even Wikipedia one of the most visited sides still runs on it

This is the perfect analogy lol. But dam…how do you make a fast, optimized websites for people with MBAs that think websites are magic lol? You really don’t have a choice but to make a glass cannon website held together with some gum unless it’s your own website.

that will never happen lul

he will switch to sway in February 2022

I can't believe he's not able to sort tearing out in the longest time. It's not that hard, just read the Arch Wiki, all the info is there, and work even on non Arch based distros.

How many thousands of files do you start with on an empty project? I have just a dozen myself.

@@jan.tichavsky In the new v11 skeleton, very few.

@@jan.tichavsky That's why newer versions of Laravel are moving towards a "batteries are opt-in and not included by default" type of approach. I am not sure if this is already the case in version 11 or if it will come in a later version. But Taylor Otwell already said that this is their goal.

​@@Voidstroyer it is. 11 even removed api routing together with sanctum

Backwards compatibility and maintenance is so underrated. Though I hate wordpress backwards compatibility is what they do right. You rarely have to change your plugin just because of a new Wordpress version. Laravel does it right as well.

learning how stuff works is always a very good thing to do. be careful not to fall into the noob trap afterwards of rolling your own auth in production.

The best way to write C is to write it in sex-pressions use LISP macros with quasiquoting to generate your C code and then if anyone gets suspicious show them the C-code derived from S-expression tree. Also the next best way is to write code in say Python/c#, and then run a Python -> C cross compiler, as you can edit your program while its still running in Python.

true. also, many unis suck because they don't actually require you to practice programming. there's no shortcut that lets you avoid actually getting your hands very dirty.

​@@blarghblarghit's the opposite problem with CS degrees - CS degrees are almost always theoretical - too much time is spent on why, and very little on the how. It is like teaching fluid mechanics to some one training to be a plumber. the ideal practical course would have both - building programming intuition, while also supporting actual application of a trade skill.

@@OpinionatedSkink So sad no one yet actually made systematic education this way. Only people that could learn both are people that both go to uni and self-educate(or if they learn theory by themselves - self-education is enough, even though uni gives higher quality theory). Sadge.

just means "state", as in application state.

can confirm, it's just the German word for state (only this kind of state, not a nation-state)

That name is so meta 😂

It can also mean 'a (not insignificant) mess', or a deteriorated mental state. Make of this information what you will.

@@dragons_advocate Yes it can also mean that something was never meant to last 🤓 like in the video

Whoops, you rolled everything yourself and now your service is vulnerable to timing attacks.

@@godowskygodowsky1155 accounted for. I get the perspective, and in mission-critical software, yeah -- know what you're doing or be safe. But you don't get to know what you're doing without doing it, and I'm not a fan of relying on a few people maintaining all the world's implementations of a simple thing any programmer can learn. Like, even form inputs... My client got cheap labor knowing I was green, and I got to figure out how to implement forms and fight spammers. I made honeypot submit buttons, wrote a pretty effective spam filter, and integrated captchas. It's not the best, but it works for that implementation. And you know what? It doesn't seem like magic anymore.

Why 50 lines of code? Just do it in 200 and do it better.

Depends what you mean by doing oauth. Go to authorize URL then get code and go to token URL is pretty easy, but you need a server to actually do the hard part. Fortunately, that server can just be any oauth provider e.g. Microsoft or Google, and then you don't have to store passwords etc either.

@georgehelyar Pfft, first they have to show that there is ANY chance in hell they can replace even the bottom feeder devs. Nothing, and I mean nothing of what they've shown currently is capable of even touching 5% of that, everything is so very bad when they need to handle more than 10 lines of code at once.

What does the "t" stand for in t5?

@@budkinThor

is flip just prime with a hat on?

best of both worlds, thought the non programming person in charge humming the hanna montana inteo song

"making my own version of grep in go" "I hope I never become a webdev. Seems like most of the things you learn are inconsequential." Hm, interesting.. I think both of the things from the above 2 quotes are doing something equally inconsequential but are aimed at doing something because you like doing it. It may or may not help you. With that said, it's up to the person to fall into framework hell and get overwhelmed with it, not people who write the frameworks. You can get by and do just about anything with 1 or 2 libraries and ignore all of the buzzwords, and I think that's relevant in everything not just Javascript. It's important not to take meme videos literally. He's making jokes, and does with many different things outside of webdev/javascript.