but id rather have this

@@user-th6rh8zp3t same

Don’t buy it then

@@davidpaul7009 thanks Dave

It's not for you then. It's for us :)

Lmao

"A decade of refinements. A decade of ignoring all economic trends worldwide in order to price this product."

Because of the price?

@@makerKID5 Yes that's what I meant.

@@ArtsunMusic what's a fair price for a device like this in your opinion? The original and field. I agree it's far beyond the bedroom producer now.

They meant an upper class bedroom

@@MesGuided 😂

How much?

2 grand lol xD

Same!

yeah and only difference is improved camera :DD oh, here it is a loudspeaker, not camera actually

What are good examples of double standards TE....🤔

"But it's an op-1f. Technically we aren't being hypocritical. We added velcro for heavens sake, what more do the people want?" - Teenage Engineering

Yup to 8 if you can read the manual

@@glynnpowell7864 sure, if you go into the menu and switch between tapes or something like that..there are only 4 dedicated buttons for the tracks..

as of 12 May 2022 19:50 Berlin time yays 377 nays 128

@@TJ-hs1qm 21:33 and it's 403/200 😁

currently 508 likes and 407 dislikes

But they can't. For 2400$ you can buy new macbook pro 14" imagine how much engineering was put in laptop comparing this garbage. BUT macbook doesn't have velcros for sure 😬

@@gz625 r/wooooosh

Obviously joking, their stuff is pricey but I love my OP-1 and having met Tobias he’s a really nice person!

@@Laizerdisk They make great stuff, but I would be interested in a more bare bones OP-1 with less of the bells and whistles but maintaining the fun core functionalities.

only thing we all get is "previous product is on sale now"

Sad to see more and more companies fall into the hole of thinking that “high price = more people buy = profit”

Even the POs are starting to become stupid merch sellouts, insead of dirt-cheap playful synths.

@@SomeThingElseYT the only problem is that TE keeps on bringing up the price of the op1 anyway

Why are you here lol True though

Assuming anyone will even buy OP-1 field.... I wanted og OP-1 for a while now. but after seeing the price they're asking for field.... I feel like I want nothing to do with TE ever.

@@thenobody0817 honestly i just wanna sell my op1 rn and wait for everyone to be disappointed with the field but i have the og og and its busted asf these things constantly break. Probably the worst thing in my studio and worst decision ive ever made

And aftertouch

@@dominicstocker5144 one step at a time! 🤣 yeah. Missed opportunities to just that price

I agree that velocity sensitivity and some sort of better/different feel to the keys would have been cool. That being said. They packed so many cool features into this i can’t be mad! Plus I’ll be using this connected to my 88 key digital piano with all the new interface options 😃😎

​@@Khordmaster most of these rad new features though could have been in a software update for the original... which hasn't been updated in ages.

@@GO-tq6hs lol they've poured a ton of free updates into the original over a 10 year span my man

They make adult toys. What you expect it to have as a feature that even resembles a real production tool?

@spider mausoleum u right, I should have said *stand-alone gear*

you can buy one at even half that price but it might not look as nice;)

@@sodiumlights You can buy used car and Apple white/aluminium keyboard :)

@@robertgrabowski2265 got both already :) Can't see my old op-1 going anywhere soon (apart away on holiday). I just feel sorry for many of those cool KZfaqrs who are now having a meltdown because it's going to one of those things they 'need' to keep up with the kardashians. They will justify it to themselves in that way to excuse the hefty price I'm sure. And then in two months time the op-z field will drop haha.

You mean the price? I kinda lost respect for them when I saw it. Sure, the dev costs must be high. But at this price I think they'll be making less than if it was cheaper

It's already been happening for a few years, the general consensus and zeigeist for their products and brand identity have been plummeting. They like to consider themselves the Apple of the synth market, but they neglect acknowledge that apple makes competitive products and this isn't competitive with anything.

🤣😂🤣😂

but this one has 2 velcros

Hell no bro don't do it!

Its a sad time we live in indeed

Don't forget the CS80 😆

bro what are you doing to it to break it, I’ve had mine for 3 years and used it every day. Lost a rubber foot off the bottom but other than that it’s in perfect condition.

@@dude86 the person who sold it to me didnt mention that the old screen was out of one color so the display would rarely turn on. Power switch and battery are broken too never shows accurate battery life or holds a charge. A lot of times the speaker doesnt even turn on for like 30 mins. Sound quality is shit too ive never been happy with it no matter how many times i repair the same shit

the original was worth it at $800. if they had continued to update the original with more software updates if say it would have been worth $1300, but they just released a couple updates and forgot about it til now. 2k for this is a joke.

@@GO-tq6hs damn you mean to tell me I got scammed another $200 and I didnt even know it! I was only aware of 3 price changes thats insane its still not worth it at that price either! Amazing work as always preteen engines Im glad you were able to settle on a price after all these years.

Yeah but in my 7 years experience with TE, they don't care about their customers literally at all, it has never been their bottom line.

Good free DAW lol

I checked your channel right after this video to see if, well, you know. If orange meant recording.

Please update your tutorial videos with it!

They should be giving you a cut of every device sold, since you're a huge reason this device is as popular as it is.

Yeah...so affordable...expecting 5 grand minimum...they really think about average musicians /s

The update? Or the price? :-)

lol

1010 Bluebox has the same features as their mixer for half the price.

or y'know... a laptop. I know it won't get you that DAWless clout, but you'd be set for life by spending that 3k on a new MacBook, Ableton Suite, and a bunch of plugins.

a software update for the original with even some of these new features would have been nice too. I've had my OP1 for like 8 years and I think it only ever got 2 or 3 updates.

JUST GO BUY IT

The day people would understand that it is actually worth the price the world would be a much better place

@@talmeirav3862 the older one, sure it is a great bit of kit, has its limitations but is justified for $1000 if you know how to get the best use from it. This one for $1999 is crazy, depending on what the actual updates are I don't see how they can justify a 100% markup for a $1000 fairly niche device

@@flyingfrogofdeath9616 the op-1 now costs 1,300$ if I remember correctly, and people forget the it’s biggest advantage is being PORTABLE, and it is built around it. The new one is free from almost all the limitations that the old one had. If you’re planning on using it in a house set up, then it is way too expensive, you could get better gear for less the price (if you have a daw) But considering the fact that this is a STAND ALONE device with everything you need in it, I personally this that it is worth the price. I have the OG OP-1 for a few years now and being able to produce music wherever you are when ever you want is such a powerful tool!

@@talmeirav3862 I'm sure it is mate but $2000 is insane for a single portable synth, no matter how powerful/useful it is. Don't want to turn this into a privilege/class thing but we, and many other people, clearly have a very different perception of money. I am a big synth enthusiast and have been for a couple of years now, despite not being poor now, I certainly was growing up and I understand the value of money. (Even now, I have a fairly decent job but I am far from loaded to most people, don't even think I earn the average wage but compared to my childhood it's amazing, I've only had this job for a year, I have lived in first world "poverty" 99% of my life. I understand people have it much worse than me and despite the struggles I have faced, everyday I am astounded at how lucky I am to be poor in a first world nation as opposed to a third world or developing nation) To me a new Range Rover may have all the bells and whistles and be a great all-weather vehicle but I don't think I'd ever be able to get past how much money it truly costs, having survived my entire childhood from birth to 18 years with a total household income less than a new range rover. I guess it's more of a perception/background thing but I couldn't justify the price myself. To this day, I tear broken electronics apart for components, draw up schematics and source other components I don't have and build my own synths' as well as repairing old, broken ones. I would love to have one one day but I can't pretend that I truly think it is "Worth it" if that makes sense. Heck when I got my first decent paycheck I celebrated by taking my family out for a meal, cost £110 and I felt like a king. The only thing that made it worth it was having a good time with my family. This price is just crazy to me personally but again, guess it just depends on your personal understanding and relationship with the concept of money. You see $2000 price tag for a synth for freedom and lack of limitations on the old iteration and being able to make music on the go; I see over a year's worth of food, bulk rice, fresh market fruit and veg as and when, decent protein; mostly tinned tuna, chicken breasts for the occasional treat and fresh fish if it was on offer, bulk porridge oats, milk as and when needed bulk instant black coffee, years worth of multi-vitamins for ~£15 on Amazon to cover the days I may not get all my nutrients in. Lived like that for two years. Not even convinced it cost me that much for food for the year.

Such a shame there isn't a cheap, portable touchscreen device on which we could install a bunch of third party software in order to make music on the go ! If somebody was really clever it could be used to send messages, browse the internet and talk to your friends too 😆

idk, get a job, cut a bit on these lattes and avo toasts. The price is on par with any other descent musical instrument (though I agree that they ask too much for that mixer)

@@moonshine7374 I have a job, the cost here isn't a personal deterrent, it's more the principle of value in this product. The original OP-1 at launch was really something special within the market, now the field version with seemingly minimal true innovation is being marketed at twice the price over a decade later.

@@tempo.rarity how do you determine the value? Feature-wise I’m struggling to find anything even remotely close to Op1, and I’m talking mostly about workflow(ui)+portability. Maschine+ is too bulky, dirtywave m8 - what’s even the point of this device if i have garage band in my phone? Op1 is a daw in your pocket with loads of features to actually perform music instead of fiddling with arrangement 80% of the time.

​@@moonshine7374 I could easily afford several of these with the mixers. I have 2 original OP-1s I got at launch. No way in hell I will buy the field. 80% of the features could just be software updates to the original which hasn't been updated in ages. the hardware features are minimal, and they are charging more than double what the original cost. TE has gradually become more and more out of touch and greedy and I'm not gonna buy any more of their crap anymore. This new one should have been what came out when they hiked the original price to 1300. they are going to drop this one, update it a couple times then forget about it like the original. if this was launching with some big new update for the original as well and actually had something to justify the price maybe I'd consider it. TE is totally out of touch with their potential customers AND their existing customers.

@@GO-tq6hs when you say you can’t justify the price - what you comparing it with?

Slow clap

LMFAO

Thats the silver lining of all this.

"privileged hipsters"......WUT ??? They're all first against privilege of being privileged

good point!!!

Watching Reverb listings with amusement.

Such innovation

Much style, very innovation!

Totally with you on this. I foolishly sold my OP-1 (although it did really annoy me for lots of reasons). I am basically their target market for this. Entice me back to the family with updates to everything I didn't like before. But that price. There's just no justification for that price. Weird decision by them if you ask me

@@DanChippendaleMusic Can you touch on a few of the reasons the original annoyed you?

@@makerKID5 sure, the screen was tiny and it was really hard to see when recording to the tape. Also editing the tape was overly fussy. Lack of quantized drumming (you can create a pattern to play but I prefer finger drumming). It seemed to have a terrible noise floor and I had a squeal/hum from it. The lack of undo was a nightmare. Paste something over something by mistake and you had to redo whole sections. These are the main issues for me

working on a case study, I have a quick question if you don't mind: What's a realistic price for an instrument like this in your opinion? (Considering aesthetics, build quality etc.).

You can live a comfortable life with one kidney though

LoL

I've seen the newsletter email and was like "cool". Then I thought "but how much is it gonna cost" .. joking in my mind "I bet it's like 2000, haha" .. then I saw the price, lol

@@rectangulardots But let's say it as priced reasonably what would you that price be in your opinion?

@@makerKID5 I always found the first one expensive, to begin with. But I was thinking, ok but it's well designed! But, IMO this thing should just be the OP-2 and be slightly higher priced than the first one, if at all. It's not even like they designed a completely new piece of gear from scratch. And material costs are not making that kind of difference. If I buy a new PC every 5-10 years, it's not like even close to twice as expensive. How about the next OP-something - is it ok if it costs 3000 bucks?

​@@rectangulardots if it [this new version] was priced at $699 or so you'd buy one?

Might as well make our own

Reverse engineer the Op-1. It's been done before. Just need to decompile the source

They have been anti-customer since I've known about them in 7 years.

Not even that powerful, I could link you to tons of better music boxes.

this is basically just the old OP1 with a software update they aren't gonna put out for the originals lmao.

@@GO-tq6hs haha. Yep

Selling to idiot newbies who don't know any better.

Good company good device - cares for their customers

It really does. Now that would be a funny court case.

But... but... it has a NEW FONT!!

Kinda expect that at this point

im sorry for stealing your op-1. it was the only way I was ever going to own one

@@user-th6rh8zp3t LOL

Hey man, check out the m8 tracker, the syntstrom deluge, elektron octatrack (max marco) and the polyend polytracker and polyplay - all better products than TE

Pure evil

bro imagine the setup you could make with that $2400

@@bigmanlizard7326 it's an impractical status symbol at this point 😭😭

If I see anyone with one of these, I’m robbing you on sight.

@@takeiteasy6346 justified! 😅😅

how? ;) i would sell my kidney for that :P

@@NoiseSoundDestructor I don't think you get 2 grand for a kidney nowadays! I'm selling mine spares or repair for 700 quid

Most likely.

Of course not, everyone should buy new overpriced cases for new overpriced device 😅