Introducing SPINTRON With Brian Tooley

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Brian Tooley Racing

Brian Tooley Racing

Жыл бұрын

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@PHLTHS
@PHLTHS Жыл бұрын
Anyone who is using a Spin Tron is showing people that they are invested in developing their camshaft packages based on concrete data. Great work Brian Tooley Racing.
@kylenesmith9509
@kylenesmith9509 Жыл бұрын
Thanks man! I really appreciate your desire to learn and improve everybody’s race program! You’re correct about spring pressure one best junkyard motors I ever had was small sbf .600lift solid roller 190 intake runner Only 100lbs on seat! It ran deep in 5.70s to 1/8th
@racerd9669
@racerd9669 Жыл бұрын
Brian, Great video, one thing I notice and it is the one thing I have done for over 20 years. Fix the saddles on the rocker stands. I have re-machined Jessel, TD, Comp rocker stands so the shaft would sit slightly below the shaft C/L so you take the load off of the hold down bolts. You are the first I have seen do this, great job.
@paxtonspeed
@paxtonspeed Жыл бұрын
Great video Brian!
@maxfastest
@maxfastest Жыл бұрын
Brian I truly appreciate the dedication you have for your products and your customers !
@AccuSol-ERN
@AccuSol-ERN Жыл бұрын
That is amazing. I am more sold on a Truck Norris cam now more than ever.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
As long as it actually fits your needs. Your best bet is to give your engine info and your goals to BTR. Maybe they have something even better? One size never fits all.
@frez777
@frez777 Жыл бұрын
I never knew about bounce. I learned something today Mr Tooley
@HappyHarryHardon
@HappyHarryHardon Жыл бұрын
Bounce is why we have asymmetric cam lobes and titanium valves. Float and bounce are killers.
@MrScoopage
@MrScoopage Жыл бұрын
Same here.
@hoonaticbloggs5402
@hoonaticbloggs5402 Жыл бұрын
I learned about the fasteners making a difference. Knew about bounce but thought it was more a problem caused by old springs
@imacrazy6872
@imacrazy6872 Жыл бұрын
amazing information!
@themr2guy
@themr2guy Жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff right here!
@peterkovacs8654
@peterkovacs8654 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating. That’s something that’s overlooked
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@mrarmy300
@mrarmy300 Жыл бұрын
Super cool! Glad I am running your truck cam, love it
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Right on!
@georgef1176
@georgef1176 Жыл бұрын
This is why BTR cams are the best
@R6marcus
@R6marcus Жыл бұрын
Amazing knowledge here sir. As a mechanic of almost 20 years I just realized I have so much more to learn. Thank you for this information.
@richardlandrum714
@richardlandrum714 Жыл бұрын
Ikr. Same with me in the auto body/paint industry. I'm always open to knowledge
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@davidciesielski8251
@davidciesielski8251 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir!!!
@frez777
@frez777 Жыл бұрын
smart man, seems like he works hard as well
@sc_mastertech8641
@sc_mastertech8641 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a deeper dive into what some of these other components, like rockers and fasteners, do to valve control.
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
We can certainly do that, we have hundreds of back to back tests. I would rank the components in terms of importance to reduce bounce by: Lobe design Spring pressure and design Valve weight Rocker mounting Although once a LS intake valve gets in the 120 gram range, it becomes very difficult to control past 7000 RPM. Generally a spring with less moving mass (conical or beehive) works better on very heavy valves. Hydraulic roller valve trains are very sensitive to weight of the components, much more so than solid roller applications.
@picklefart
@picklefart Жыл бұрын
@@briantooleyracing3554 thank you so much for sharing this knowledge. Do you guys offer this testing on a cam customers send in? This is REALLY cool information.
@Hjfvvdst
@Hjfvvdst Жыл бұрын
I had a solid roller that had what looked like bounce marks on the closing side of the lobes. I at the time figured the lifter must have had loft of the lobe. Still don't know for sure.
@frankensteincreations4740
@frankensteincreations4740 Жыл бұрын
Must be how cam companies such as yourself determine at which point valve float occurs… Awesome information! 👍
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@TheMrmmkkpro
@TheMrmmkkpro Жыл бұрын
Cool stuff, I just did a AFM delete on my 2015 6.2 and used a stock Grind BTR cam. I am beyond pleased, this engine has never run so strong and smooth. If and when I build a LT platform, it will be BTR all the way. Do you guys design cams for Pontiac V8s, 1972 455 HO is my next project. Your R and D is very impressive. 👍👍🏁🏁
@Smokey72013
@Smokey72013 Жыл бұрын
Never thought a fastener would change the trace. Wow learned something new!
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
We’re glad to help!!
@thomaswestby7926
@thomaswestby7926 Жыл бұрын
Incredible craftsmanship
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@chrisbrown2174
@chrisbrown2174 Жыл бұрын
Nice work 😎
@jonathanmoore5112
@jonathanmoore5112 Жыл бұрын
WOW my next cam will be from you guys
@joep1253
@joep1253 Жыл бұрын
Great information Brian
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MrScoopage
@MrScoopage Жыл бұрын
Great information 👍 thankou for making the video
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@jcnpresser
@jcnpresser Жыл бұрын
That’s pretty awesome information!
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@patrickwendling6759
@patrickwendling6759 Жыл бұрын
Awesome 👌🏻. Thank you 👍🏼
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Noah-me8dg
@Noah-me8dg Жыл бұрын
BTR dropping knowledge on a Friday. Love it
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
More to come!
@keithpardini9065
@keithpardini9065 Жыл бұрын
Brian Tooley, you are the Einstein of camshaft design. (Hey I just realized that rhymes) Keep the education coming brother!
@jbr496
@jbr496 Жыл бұрын
Brian Tooley and Billy Godbold from Comp Cams are my go-to guys for all things cam.
@terrywillis5784
@terrywillis5784 Жыл бұрын
Impressive.
@donealable
@donealable Жыл бұрын
respect
@spdcrzy
@spdcrzy 5 ай бұрын
Brian, how does your shaft system compare to Jesel? And is it a useful modification for high-RPM capable hydraulic roller cams that are going into a stroker Gen V LT like 468 or 480 (or even 500+)?
@KM-os4be
@KM-os4be Жыл бұрын
like your truck norris NSR cam,
@darylmorse
@darylmorse Жыл бұрын
Very cool machine!
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
We agree!
@OAndy2222
@OAndy2222 Жыл бұрын
That truck norris a bad summa
@HappyHarryHardon
@HappyHarryHardon Жыл бұрын
We’re gonna be ordering a couple parts from you for our new 1600hp LS.
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Sweet!
@Hjfvvdst
@Hjfvvdst 10 ай бұрын
Does rocker weight, balance, deflection also play in to the stability?
@marcusking9078
@marcusking9078 Жыл бұрын
Take MORE of my money !!
@dragbikedemon
@dragbikedemon Жыл бұрын
Does your brain hurt Brian?? Awesome insight
@paisley2342
@paisley2342 Жыл бұрын
I have an LS7 crate engine with 227/242 .591/.590 lift 116 LSA cam which comes installed. I plan to rework the heads. Would a .660 spring kit be too much spring paired to that cam? What spring would be optimal?
@corystansbury
@corystansbury Жыл бұрын
I know nothing is perfect, but I've always wondered how accurate Spintron tests are considering the significant lack of gas/chamber pressure dynamics which cannot be recreated. I'm not saying it's not a significant increase in knowledge vs. guessing, but I'd be nervous to put too much stock in it. I'm assuming its results have been compared to operating engines, so I'm probably overthinking it.
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
In an operating engine the exhaust side of the valve train should see even more deflection than on the Spintron due to the residual pressure left in the cylinder when the exhaust valve attempts to open. An engine with a power adder will have more cylinder pressure and therefore more opening deflection. The intake side operates almost the same.
@PiDsPagePrototypes
@PiDsPagePrototypes Жыл бұрын
Is there any data on how the different ramp angles (from the different cam follower diameter) in GM, Ford and MoPar engines from the '60's and '70's affects any loft occurring? Would the faster ramp of the MoPar cams lead to more loft then the GM cams? (GM > Ford > MoPar for ramp angle steepness)
@1darryloflife
@1darryloflife Жыл бұрын
But the deflection would not occur on an overhead cam engine where the cam lobe itself is regulating the valve. The only pressure point would be the valve guide so as long as the guides are good then the cam would keep the valve from deflecting.
@tylerw4593
@tylerw4593 Жыл бұрын
Came here wondering what the hell is a Spintron. Left with a boatload of interesting engine tech.
@chrispetty5058
@chrispetty5058 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Different bounce when using different fasteners. Who’d thought that would happen.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
Why not? Changing the weight also changes how the valvetrain acts.
@kyle7063
@kyle7063 Жыл бұрын
Would like to hear you go more in depth on deflection and how it all affects the loft. Cause my assumption is that the amount of deflection creates stored energy in the components which gets released at the top of the lobe creating the loft. But idk. And I want to know
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, and I believe that is what I said or tries to say in the video, any opening deflection is stored energy that is released during the deceleration phase, as the lifter is approaching the nose of the cam.
@luisdeleon2930
@luisdeleon2930 Жыл бұрын
dang, good one
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@TomGrooms2802
@TomGrooms2802 Жыл бұрын
Assuming you're spinning that thing at ambient temperatures, how closely does that relates to engine operating temperatures?
@picklefart
@picklefart Жыл бұрын
Oh man what a good question!!!!
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Valve springs make a lot of heat, so the engine actually runs hotter than ambient. We've gotten the engine hot enough at times to fill the Spintron room with smoke!
@rotrmotr
@rotrmotr Жыл бұрын
Thank you Brian for the technical video. I believe there would be performance advantages if the spring pressure was distributed evenly through the valvetrain. Instead of at the end, at the valve. Can small springs be added at the push rod end of the lifters? My engineering mind never stops finding alternative solutions 🧐
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
That exact product used to be sold under the name of "Rev kits", not sure if they still exist. The entire valve train is sensitive to weight, even on the pushrod end. We've seen heavier 3 piece pushrods not perform as well as one piece due to the weight difference.
@JohnSmith-fi2ck
@JohnSmith-fi2ck Ай бұрын
Is this based on Smokey's old smoketron?
@ericflower9855
@ericflower9855 Жыл бұрын
Would the closing bounce be not as bad with a piston compressing the charge?....really cool tool... thanks for showing us your toys!
@PiDsPagePrototypes
@PiDsPagePrototypes Жыл бұрын
Now there's an interesting question,.. Would be how much force the spring applies, plus the force of the air pushing on the valve head, vs the inertia of the bounce's opening, and maybe affected by the push of air from the manifold and the pressurized air inside the cylinder forcing it's way past the opening, and those last ones would be different for NA vs Boost.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
Yes it will because as long as you have bounce, you don't have compression that could force the valve shut. However, more often than not, it will actually increase the bounce as it might try to escape over the valve, thus forcing it to bounce even more. The idea that compression or boost will help close valves, is not the case. If it was, you'd never have to run more valve spring in boosted and super high compression applications.
@irench
@irench Жыл бұрын
So many old Smokey theories' been placed on the trash pile due to the advances in SPIN TRON. The engines I buy for my customers have orders of magnitude better feel than any other because of the spin testing done. They are smoother and more powerful than the OEM stuff by far. I've read that some others have done piston travel laser mapping as well and I sure would like to finally lay the rod ratio argument to rest. Albeit I already know the answer because like everything else in life there is no such thing as the perfect one size fits all for every purpose. Like asking a 22Lr to take down and Elk or 45-70 to leave any trace of meat when hunting squirrel.
@jcnpresser
@jcnpresser Жыл бұрын
Too bad you don’t make any sbf stuff
@BrieferBread66
@BrieferBread66 Жыл бұрын
Wish more of this information was in hotrod magazines and other methods of media. I enjoy seeing custom builds but learning something new is as lucky as finding gold.
@tomstiel7576
@tomstiel7576 Жыл бұрын
you will never see this stuff in hot rod magazines,,,way over their heads
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
It will never happen. Comp Cams is the biggest cam manufacturing sponsor of those sources. Can you imagine what it would do to the sale of their off the shelf high energy cams so many buy? People would see it for the garbage it is. Comp cams are bouncing valves all over the place, yet nobody seems to care because they oddly enough think that good ol'e Billy did a great job and that Comp is the dogs danglies. I would not be surprised if the horrid data of the cam he showed, was one of the newer Comp lobe designs.
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
@@tomstiel7576 It's not over their heads. But they are in bed with Comp and have been for years. There's a reason why 95% of publicised engine tests of some kind feature a Comp cam. Just look at David Freiburger. He's so far up Billy Godbold's ass that he wouldn't know a good modern lobe if Kip from Cam Motion hit him over the head with it.
@tomstiel7576
@tomstiel7576 Жыл бұрын
@@AB-80X proving my point,,,frieberger isnt smart enough to come out of the rain
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
@@tomstiel7576 Oh his smart enough. However, he knows where the money is. Besides, when he needs his own cam, he gets Steve Brulé to call Billy Godbold, so he never gets the off-the-shelf stuff the peasants get.
@ajjskins
@ajjskins Жыл бұрын
How does a spin Tron or vice a versa your development team account for the atmospheric pressure is on each side of the valve with an open chamber? And I guess how much does that affect the valve and its movement?
@sexyfacenation
@sexyfacenation Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was wondering, and more of an issue on boosted engines with boost acting against the intake valve .
@Hjfvvdst
@Hjfvvdst Жыл бұрын
Wow, who would have thought fasteners would have a difference in that application. I would imagine with the compression of ignition and forced induction that also must have an effect.
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
It's certainly much harder to open an exhaust valve against cylinder pressure than what it is on the Spintron! Especially if the engine has a power adder!
@jamesklink4698
@jamesklink4698 Жыл бұрын
Nice. #!!! 😊😊😊
@drdiesel1
@drdiesel1 Жыл бұрын
Science, still plenty of fruit to find on ICEs!
@PushyPawn
@PushyPawn Жыл бұрын
How does the *absence* of heat, piston vibration and other combustion effects, affect your valve train measurements?
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
The largest difference between the Spintron and a running engine is the exhaust valve opening against cylinder pressure. We use the engine dyno to test some aspects of the exhaust side of the valve train combination.
@nathanhine286
@nathanhine286 Жыл бұрын
Hi Mr Tooley, Do you sell complete cam and valve train kits?
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
We do! Cam kits: briantooleyracing.com/camshafts-lifters-pushrods/camshaft-kits.html Spring kits: briantooleyracing.com/valves-spring-kits-components/valve-spring-kits.html
@invertedpolarity6890
@invertedpolarity6890 Жыл бұрын
So which bolt/stud is the best to use with your shaft rocker kit?
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
When we tested the individual trunnions the ARP studs were the best. However we were surprised to see the BTR bolts perform better than stock. We never back to back tested the fasteners on the shaft kits.
@stevengiles346
@stevengiles346 Жыл бұрын
Cool
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Alfvaldez
@Alfvaldez Жыл бұрын
Gym performance lifters or Johnson link bar hydraulic lifters?
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Most of our testing is performed with GM lifters
@TxHammer757
@TxHammer757 Жыл бұрын
Do you make cams for gen 3 hemi ??
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
We have a Gen 3 Hemi on the engine dyno now. We will have the best Gen 3 Hemi cams this year.
@rajahhindi3921
@rajahhindi3921 Жыл бұрын
What about cylinder pressure affecting these tests? Especially the exhaust valve? I gather there is none of this without rods/pistons etc!
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
Much less than what one might think.
@kylemilligan752
@kylemilligan752 Жыл бұрын
Mr Brian Tooley, we are building a 92/103 turbo sbe 6.0 ls, rectangle port heads with heavy truck valves, stock rocker arms, really just stock junk. Can you grind us a cam to keep all the heavy parts stable at 8-8500 rpm, so we can just let the turbo make the HP?
@kylemilligan752
@kylemilligan752 Жыл бұрын
This is a racecar. Driveability does not matter at all. We are just looking for super stable lobes for high rpm with heavy components, and let the turbo get the job done
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
That sounds like a really odd combo. But hey, if that's really what you do, I think BTR would consider your inquiry a lot more serious if you gave them a call.
@kylemilligan752
@kylemilligan752 Жыл бұрын
@@AB-80X Thanks Man, I'm sure you are right. Just got caught up in the moment seeing Mr Tooley address valvetrain control at high rpm. It makes me jump for joy. Back in my Honda dyno days, one stupid aggressive comp grind would float the valves at 7600, while a very lazy crane cam would go 9200 on the same springs. No gains over the comp cam, but another thousand plus rpm plateau of usable power
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
It would be very difficult to get the 110 gram L92 intake valves to be happy at 8500. Your best bet is to change to LS3 intake valves. But we can certainly grind a cam for you!
@GearheadOutlaw
@GearheadOutlaw Жыл бұрын
cool tool. is it similar to what Katech uses?
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
Spintron is the de-facto standard in the US for this stuff.
@GearheadOutlaw
@GearheadOutlaw Жыл бұрын
@@AB-80X too bad not every aftermarket company have it or uses it properly. I mean it is a cool tool at the end and it's way more useful if people like Btr guys and other few in the aftermarket are learning and sharing results with us
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
@@GearheadOutlaw The aftermarket guys cannot share that info, that's their bread and butter. You cannot expect them to do that. It's not like sharing regular info on Yellowbullet for the greater good. Here BTR shares next to nothing. What he does is to tell you what to be aware of, but there are no useful data points. I don't know of any reputable cam manufacture or engine builder who does not have a Spintron or two and know how to use it. Are you thinking about someone specific?
@GearheadOutlaw
@GearheadOutlaw Жыл бұрын
@@AB-80X well.... a guy from Katech did and he was very insightful on some forums with great info on several camshafts with different specs and valve and springs etc. Then again it is what I was hoping for to continue as a trend for the aftermarket guys and us as customer to make a good decision on what products to go for with information to back it up. They are not OEM with billions in R&D most are moms and pops shops who are climbing up the ranks with innovation
@GearheadOutlaw
@GearheadOutlaw Жыл бұрын
@@AB-80X on some who know and don't remarks. Take comp Cams as an example.... How many years did they stay in the stone ages with their spintron and lobe design and ramp rates? Now compared to Btr, TSP, Cammotion, EPS, Pat G and so who took the market to another level. In any case some people know how to innovate with the data they have some do not that's all
@OutlawChevy2
@OutlawChevy2 Жыл бұрын
Does boost effect bounce?
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Great question, when I think about intake or exhaust closing events I think about the differential pressure across the valve at that point. It's my belief that in supercharged applications closing intake valve bounce has about the same effect as in NA applications. However in turbocharged applications where turbine pressure can be twice as much as boost pressure, and therefore a lot of differential pressure during the exhaust valve closing event, I believe that the exhaust valve bounce would allow exhaust gas contamination of the intake charge and hurt power.
@vortecturbo
@vortecturbo Жыл бұрын
@@briantooleyracing3554 agree 100%. Volume diameter, surface area the valve all those play into factors of valve control. Got to do a video about valve spring harmonics as well if you haven't already
@vinmandich7756
@vinmandich7756 Жыл бұрын
What is the most important valve event. in valve timing events
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
All of them. They cannot be separated.
@briantooleyracing3554
@briantooleyracing3554 Жыл бұрын
Most important is the intake valve close, the overlap events are next and the exhaust open is the least important, knowing what we know now. A few years ago I would have put EVO second most important and overlap events least important.
@vinmandich7756
@vinmandich7756 Жыл бұрын
And what cam is that Brian 😳
@AB-80X
@AB-80X Жыл бұрын
If you buy one, he'll probably tell you. If not, why would he give you his proprietary data? Not trying to be rude, but c'mon.
@utahcountypicazospage5412
@utahcountypicazospage5412 Жыл бұрын
He can’t give a part # lol stop also anyone can throw a cam on a cam reader now days and get every bit of information many engine build shops have one to make sure cams are right
@siclt1
@siclt1 Жыл бұрын
So don’t buy a Texas speed cam, gotcha
@erikferrar3453
@erikferrar3453 Жыл бұрын
I saw Smokey Yunkick speak at the PRI Show in Columbus, OH back in 1994 and he was using (he may have invented it) a Spintron machine to observe the valve train and oil flow characteristics. This was in 1994 fellas…..
@LoneWolfSnowplowing
@LoneWolfSnowplowing Жыл бұрын
This poor Brian guy is going to be disappointed when he learns of my 125 hp Spintron. 😂
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